Gutka # 1 (Lines 1, 2 & 3)

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Dear Nirmal ji,

 

Namaskar,

 

I agree with you too. I feel that I am the only one who can't seem

to grasp Lal Kitab..) Let's start line by line as you

sugested..Here's my take at interpreting it. Please add/correct

if/when you feel appropritae.

 

1) Ghar pehla hai Takht Hazari, Grah Phal Raja Kundli ka.

 

Interpretation: I think this is to emphasize the supreme importance

of Lagna or first house. It's referred to as 'King' of the whole

kundli.

 

2) Jyotish mein ise Lagna bhi Kehte, Jhagdha Manush hai Maya Ka.

Purab taraf Pakka Ghar Suraj, Paropkar Chavanni ka.

 

Interpretation: This house (1st house) represents the struggle

between Maya & Manush. In the Purab (North), there is a fixed house

of Sun.

 

Questions: These lines are not clear: Paropkar Chavanni ka. Vajud

Makan Ruh Muluk bhi, Ginte Jamana Haal Kamai Ka.

 

 

3) Char Diwari Teh ke Goshe, Sing Maveshi Khade ho Jinke...

 

Question: Not clear about this line...

 

 

Please advise.

 

Thanks,

Anshev B. Bhardwejj

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " nirbhar " <nirmal@g...> wrote:

> Dear Anshev B Bhardwejj ji:

> Actually my purpose to upload it was to have a healthy discussion

on

> it. But what i felt is that the members are so learned that they

just

> wait someone like us to pose a question. ,

> As far as i am concerned, I am trying to get out of the 12 houses

> which seems to be very difficult to understand.

> Please just start the querries line by line where you need some

> clarification.

> Let us start first 4 lines.Every body will try to answer it.

> Best regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> , " Anshev B Bhardwejj "

> <anshevb> wrote:

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > Thanks to Nirmal ji, we have Khana No. 1 Gutka in hindi in PDF.

I have

> > read it a few times and I have a few questions. I am not totaly

clear

> > about much of it. I thought I would understand it.

> >

> > Would someone be able to translate the meanings of these lines

(line

> > by line) and then we can have a discussion ?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Anshev B. Bhardwejj

[Guest guest]

Namaskar Anshev ji,

 

Thanks you for starting the discussion off.

 

> 1) Ghar pehla hai Takht Hazari, Grah Phal Raja Kundli ka.

>

> Interpretation: I think this is to emphasize the supreme importance

> of Lagna or first house. It's referred to as 'King' of the whole

> kundli.

>

Or can we say that the Grahas in the Lagna are the rulers of the Kundli?

 

> 2) Jyotish mein ise Lagna bhi Kehte, Jhagdha Manush hai Maya Ka.

> Purab taraf Pakka Ghar Suraj, Paropkar Chavanni ka.

>

> Interpretation: This house (1st house) represents the struggle

> between Maya & Manush. In the Purab (North), there is a fixed house

> of Sun.

>

Is it possible that 'Jhagdha Manush hai Maya Ka' mean the struggle of Man with

the 'Maya'

(Illussion) and his ego?

 

Also, 'Purab tara Pakka Ghar Suraj' could be referring to the sign of Surya -

Simha. 'Pakka Ghar'

means his own house?

 

> Questions: These lines are not clear: Paropkar Chavanni ka. Vajud

> Makan Ruh Muluk bhi, Ginte Jamana Haal Kamai Ka.

>

'Vajud Makan Ruh Muluk bhi' could mean the body in which the soul lives in. That

is Lagna

signifying not only the ego (as above) but also his present existence through

the materialist

body.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

Best Regards, Dinesh.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dinesh ji,

 

Namaskar,

 

Thanks for your thoughts. I think they are valuable. The point about

struggle between Maya & Manush is true. Also the point about the Ruh

(Spirit) living inthe body, so 1st house signifying physical body is

valid. I also agree about 1st house being called the Pukka Ghar of

Sun. I am not sure what Pakka Ghar means in this case though..

 

What do you make of line: 'Paropkar Chavanni ka' ?

 

I am not an expert in Urdu, but I think 'Vajud Makan Ruh Muluk bhi'

may also mean a few other things:

 

'Vajud = Existance'

'Makan = House'

'Ruh = soul/spirit'

'Muluk = country'

 

Is this stranza saying that the 1st house signifies all these above

things as well ? What do you think ?

 

 

best wishes,

Anshev B. Bhardwejj

 

 

 

, DT <dinthak> wrote:

> Namaskar Anshev ji,

>

> Thanks you for starting the discussion off.

>

> > 1) Ghar pehla hai Takht Hazari, Grah Phal Raja Kundli ka.

> >

> > Interpretation: I think this is to emphasize the supreme

importance

> > of Lagna or first house. It's referred to as 'King' of the whole

> > kundli.

> >

> Or can we say that the Grahas in the Lagna are the rulers of the

Kundli?

>

> > 2) Jyotish mein ise Lagna bhi Kehte, Jhagdha Manush hai Maya Ka.

> > Purab taraf Pakka Ghar Suraj, Paropkar Chavanni ka.

> >

> > Interpretation: This house (1st house) represents the struggle

> > between Maya & Manush. In the Purab (North), there is a fixed

house

> > of Sun.

> >

> Is it possible that 'Jhagdha Manush hai Maya Ka' mean the struggle

of Man with the 'Maya'

> (Illussion) and his ego?

>

> Also, 'Purab tara Pakka Ghar Suraj' could be referring to the sign

of Surya - Simha. 'Pakka Ghar'

> means his own house?

>

> > Questions: These lines are not clear: Paropkar Chavanni ka.

Vajud

> > Makan Ruh Muluk bhi, Ginte Jamana Haal Kamai Ka.

> >

> 'Vajud Makan Ruh Muluk bhi' could mean the body in which the soul

lives in. That is Lagna

> signifying not only the ego (as above) but also his present

existence through the materialist

> body.

>

> Just my thoughts.

>

> Best Regards, Dinesh.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Namaskar Anshev ji,

 

> Thanks for your thoughts. I think they are valuable. The point about

> struggle between Maya & Manush is true. Also the point about the Ruh

> (Spirit) living inthe body, so 1st house signifying physical body is

> valid. I also agree about 1st house being called the Pukka Ghar of

> Sun. I am not sure what Pakka Ghar means in this case though..

>

I am assuming that 'Pukka Ghar' of Sun refers to 2 things :-

- If we consider the direction North, than I think it is refering to the Sun's

sign Simha (Leo).

- It could also mean that Sun is the natural significator of the 1st house as

Sun rules Atma

(Soul), which he refers in this sloka.

- There is another possibility, which missed my mind last time. It could be

referring to 1st house

of the Naisarghik (Natural) Kundli (Horoscope) - Aries, as the rasi where Sun

attains Exaltated

status.

 

> What do you make of line: 'Paropkar Chavanni ka' ?

>

Could be possible that he could be referring to the value to be given this

house. Chavanni, could

be referring to the unit, which in Hindi would mean 25 paise. As some refer to

another

intellegence as 'Chavani kam hai', it could also mean that the 1st house is

referring to

intellegence, indirectly.

 

 

> I am not an expert in Urdu, but I think 'Vajud Makan Ruh Muluk bhi'

> may also mean a few other things:

>

> 'Vajud = Existance'

> 'Makan = House'

> 'Ruh = soul/spirit'

> 'Muluk = country'

>

Neither am an Expert in Urdu.

 

You could be right.

 

> Is this stranza saying that the 1st house signifies all these above

> things as well ? What do you think ?

>

So 'Paropkar Chavani ka' with other sentences could mean that the 1st house is

referring to the

body which is the house of the soul, which is always in struggle between its ego

and maya

(illusion), which is given birth as an effect (paropkar) of intellegence

(chavani ka).

 

What do you think?

 

I hope the experts and those who know Urdu would participate and share their

knowledge.

 

Take care, Dinesh.

 

 

 

 

 

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