Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 1.5.2005 Dear All Members Since the discussion is continued on Kurbani Ke Bakre. I have some points which is not clear to me and request learned members to throw light please 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period) 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus. 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon and so on… 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it effect wife (venus) Now Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani Ka bakra?? And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? Thanking in advance Shunny Nigam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Dear Shunny Ji,All the questions required research work. I feel that We are coming to the right track. Your querries shows that you read regularly. I feel that members do the research and put their findings in the group.regardsnirmal kumar bhardwaj ======== At 2005-05-01, 21:40:25 you wrote: ========1.5.2005Dear All MembersSince the discussion is continued on Kurbani Ke Bakre. I have some points which is not clear to me and request learned members to throw light please1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period)2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus.4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon and so on…5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it effect wife (venus) NowWhy Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani Ka bakra?? And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which can not be together to make Venus in kundli??Thanking in advance Shunny Nigam = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =Best regards. Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nk 2005-05-02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Dear Members, I have tried to analyse the questions and forwarding to all of of you for comments please : 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period)- as per condition for Kurbani ke Bakre which is not affected by any other condition of planet, effect of Kurbani ke Bakre should be experienced during its DASA also - i.e. Kurbani ki koi shart nahi hai. 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra - Very first thing is observed that Jup & Sun, form a friend group with Mars and Moon. Options to Moon for having kurbani ka bakra : Moon is kurbani ka bakra of Shukra so shukra cannot be kurbani ka bakra for Moon, so any other planet (Merc) which have shukra as kurbani ka bakra, shall not be kurbani ka bakra of Moon. So Shukra & Merc are out. Moon causes lunar eclipse with Ketu and Ketu is kurbani ka bakra of remaining 3 planets Sun, Mars & Jup hence all these 3 are kurbani ke bakra of Moon. Sun has kurbani ka bakra Rahu with whom it makes solar eclise, so Moon doesn't take Rahu her kurbani ka bakra (Sun doesn't take Ketu its kurbani ka bakra 'cause Moon makes lunar eclipse with it)- Sun/Moon eclipses prevent them having a common kurbani ka bakra. 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus.- I don't think there is any difference i.e. mercy is absent for friend, again 'cause kurbani ka bakra ke liye koi shart nahi. 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon and so on… - Kurbani ka Bakra is one complete event itself where replacement have no place and also for kurbani ka bakra there is no such condition. 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it effect wife (venus) Now Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani Ka bakra?? And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? - Not getting now, other members may try. M.R. GUPTA --- Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk wrote: > Dear Shunny Ji, > All the questions required research work. I feel > that We are coming to the right track. Your querries > shows that you read regularly. I feel that members > do the research and put their findings in the group. > regards > nirmal kumar bhardwaj > > > > ======== At 2005-05-01, 21:40:25 you wrote: ======== > > 1.5.2005 > Dear All Members > Since the discussion is continued on Kurbani Ke > Bakre. I have some points which is not clear to me > and request learned members to throw light please > 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced > during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. > e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the > effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period) > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And > that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as > Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. > Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus. > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra > why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis > (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes > bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his > bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon > and so on… > 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait > and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus > (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it > effect wife (venus) Now > Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani > Ka bakra?? > And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which > can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? > Thanking in advance > > Shunny Nigam > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Respected Guptaji and Shunny Nigam ji, Based on my knowledge and understanding, here are my opinions on some of these questions: 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra Ans: The kurbani ka bakra rule is based on the nature and dynamics of the planetary relationships. . Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji, in Lal Kitab has simply given the results of his observations of this phenomenon. Nature of Moom is such that it makes its friends (Jup, Mars and Sun) as Kurbani ka Bakra. I like to think in terms of real life situation. It makes the concept easier to understand and remember. A mother (moon), when has a trouble, shares it with her teacher or husband (Jup), Brother (Mars) and Son (Sun)… She doesn't has enmity with any of these planets and maybe she doesn't even wants to trouble them, but she has no other alternative than to share the load with these people. Why no other plant is not her kurbani ka bakra… I'd say that this is just how it is based on planetary nature and dynamics of their relationships with others…This is just how Moon behaves. 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra Ans: I think the answers may differ based on the opinions of individuals here… I see a subtle difference … The troubles are being passed onto the kurbani ka bakra but the way they are being passed differs. Again to take an example of the family situation, A daughter-in-law (Venus) passes her troubles to mother-in-law (Moon) in a conniving/secretive way… Here sympathy or empathy maybe missing in general for Moon. But when Mother (Moon) passes her troubles to (husband/teacher) Jup, (Brother) Mars and (Son)Sun, she is doing so in a subtely different way… Here there may be sympathy/empathy towards these relations… She may do so in more cautious way, in a way that these troubles can be better absorbed by these planets… The troubles are being passed no doubt, but the inspiration behind the act as well as the manner in which it is passed may be slightly different. Even by the fact that Moon passes troubles to 3 planets (Jup, Mars and Sun) instead of just one, indicates the fact that there is empathy and well being behind the idea of passing troubles. Three planets are sharing the load instead of just one… Troubles become one third and hence easier to tolerate… Her intention is not to break their backs under the pressure of the trouble but simply to share her own trouble… Venus, on the other hand feels little sympathy for the mother-in- law, who she dislikes by nature… She has little consideration of what will happen if I give all these troubles to Moon (mother-in-law) … Even if moon goes blind, Venus doesn't care much…. 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis (when he is being used as bait) Answer: That depends upon their own strength and position in the chart. If the planet is well placed, strong, well supported by friends, he/she will have a better immunity against troubles and hence will be able to tolerate more and pass on less… I think when trouble comes to a planet first, it does affect them a bit. The planet tries to tolerate it and if the trouble is too much to handle, then passes it to the bait. If the planet is already weak, the power to tolerate will be very little and it will pass all the trouble without resistance or forethought… but if the position is strong, depending upon the nature of the planet, the troubles are passed after a bit of absortion. Say Jupiter is well placed in the chart and hence strong. By nature, Jupiter is benevolent and wants the welfare of everyone in general. He will try to tolerate as much as possible and then pass the troubles to Ketu (desciple/son). If Jupiter is weak and malefic, the ability to show its benevolent nature and to absorb some part of the trouble will be much limited and Ketu will have to suffer much more… Every time troubles are passed on to the bait, some part of the trouble is still absorbed by the plant itself… Its not that they escape it 100%...They are still affected. And everytime any planet who has a bait gets trouble, does try to pass its troubles to its own bait… If Saturn gives trouble to Venus (Saturn's bait), and Venus can't absorb it, I don't see any reason why some of that trouble will not be passed onto Moon (Venus's bait) as well… Let's take a family example again: Say Saturn (Husband) comes home after a stressful day at work, when he gets home, he is tired and impatient, if the Venus (Wife) is good and strong, she will handle the situation all right, make him a nice meal, talk nicely etc and make him feel better.. Trouble finished. If say, the husband somes home with a lot of trouble (say he's having an affair) trouble is too much for Venus to handle, she will obviously pass this trouble to Moon… and Moon will to Jup/Mars/Sum and so on and so forth…. Regards, Anshev B. Bhardwejj , " m.r. gupta " <mrgupta_in> wrote: > Dear Members, > I have tried to analyse the questions and forwarding > to all of of you for comments please : > 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced > during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. > e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the > effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period)- as > per condition for Kurbani ke Bakre which is not > affected by any other condition of planet, effect of > Kurbani ke Bakre should be experienced during its DASA > also - i.e. Kurbani ki koi shart nahi hai. > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And > that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra - Very first > thing is observed that Jup & Sun, form a friend group > with Mars and Moon. Options to Moon for having kurbani > ka bakra : Moon is kurbani ka bakra of Shukra so > shukra cannot be kurbani ka bakra for Moon, so any > other planet (Merc) which have shukra as kurbani ka > bakra, shall not be kurbani ka bakra of Moon. So > Shukra & Merc are out. Moon causes lunar eclipse with > Ketu and Ketu is kurbani ka bakra of remaining 3 > planets Sun, Mars & Jup hence all these 3 are kurbani > ke bakra of Moon. Sun has kurbani ka bakra Rahu with > whom it makes solar eclise, so Moon doesn't take Rahu > her kurbani ka bakra (Sun doesn't take Ketu its > kurbani ka bakra 'cause Moon makes lunar eclipse with > it)- Sun/Moon eclipses prevent them having a common > kurbani ka bakra. > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as > Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. > Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus.- I > don't think there is any difference i.e. mercy is > absent for friend, again 'cause kurbani ka bakra ke > liye koi shart nahi. > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra > why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis > (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes > bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his > bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon > and so on… - Kurbani ka Bakra is one complete event > itself where replacement have no place and also for > kurbani ka bakra there is no such condition. > 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait > and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus > (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it > effect wife (venus) Now > Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani > Ka bakra?? > And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which > can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? - Not > getting now, other members may try. > > M.R. GUPTA > > --- Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote: > > Dear Shunny Ji, > > All the questions required research work. I feel > > that We are coming to the right track. Your querries > > shows that you read regularly. I feel that members > > do the research and put their findings in the group. > > regards > > nirmal kumar bhardwaj > > > > > > > > ======== At 2005-05-01, 21:40:25 you wrote: ======== > > > > 1.5.2005 > > Dear All Members > > Since the discussion is continued on Kurbani Ke > > Bakre. I have some points which is not clear to me > > and request learned members to throw light please > > 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced > > during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. > > e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the > > effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period) > > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And > > that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra > > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as > > Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. > > Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus. > > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra > > why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis > > (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes > > bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his > > bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon > > and so on… > > 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait > > and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus > > (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it > > effect wife (venus) Now > > Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani > > Ka bakra?? > > And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which > > can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? > > Thanking in advance > > > > Shunny Nigam > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Anshev ji, You made it very easy to understand by comparing/giving family examples. Thanks for explaining in such details. Gullu , " Anshev B Bhardwejj " <anshevb> wrote: > Respected Guptaji and Shunny Nigam ji, > > Based on my knowledge and understanding, here are my opinions on > some of these questions: > > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And that too making > friend a kurbani ka bakra > > Ans: The kurbani ka bakra rule is based on the nature and dynamics > of the planetary relationships. . Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji, in Lal > Kitab has simply given the results of his observations of this > phenomenon. > > Nature of Moom is such that it makes its friends (Jup, Mars and Sun) > as Kurbani ka Bakra. I like to think in terms of real life > situation. It makes the concept easier to understand and remember. A > mother (moon), when has a trouble, shares it with her teacher or > husband (Jup), Brother (Mars) and Son (Sun)… She doesn't has enmity > with any of these planets and maybe she doesn't even wants to > trouble them, but she has no other alternative than to share the > load with these people. > > Why no other plant is not her kurbani ka bakra… I'd say that this is > just how it is based on planetary nature and dynamics of their > relationships with others…This is just how Moon behaves. > > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as Kurbani ka bakra and > ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra > > Ans: I think the answers may differ based on the opinions of > individuals here… I see a subtle difference … The troubles are being > passed onto the kurbani ka bakra but the way they are being passed > differs. Again to take an example of the family situation, A > daughter-in-law (Venus) passes her troubles to mother-in-law (Moon) > in a conniving/secretive way… Here sympathy or empathy maybe missing > in general for Moon. But when Mother (Moon) passes her troubles to > (husband/teacher) Jup, (Brother) Mars and (Son)Sun, she is doing so > in a subtely different way… Here there may be sympathy/empathy > towards these relations… She may do so in more cautious way, in a > way that these troubles can be better absorbed by these planets… The > troubles are being passed no doubt, but the inspiration behind the > act as well as the manner in which it is passed may be slightly > different. > > Even by the fact that Moon passes troubles to 3 planets (Jup, Mars > and Sun) instead of just one, indicates the fact that there is > empathy and well being behind the idea of passing troubles. Three > planets are sharing the load instead of just one… Troubles become > one third and hence easier to tolerate… Her intention is not to > break their backs under the pressure of the trouble but simply to > share her own trouble… > > Venus, on the other hand feels little sympathy for the mother-in- > law, who she dislikes by nature… She has little consideration of > what will happen if I give all these troubles to Moon (mother-in- law) > … Even if moon goes blind, Venus doesn't care much…. > > > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra why cant they > use there bait at the time of crisis (when he is being used as bait) > > Answer: That depends upon their own strength and position in the > chart. If the planet is well placed, strong, well supported by > friends, he/she will have a better immunity against troubles and > hence will be able to tolerate more and pass on less… I think when > trouble comes to a planet first, it does affect them a bit. The > planet tries to tolerate it and if the trouble is too much to > handle, then passes it to the bait. If the planet is already weak, > the power to tolerate will be very little and it will pass all the > trouble without resistance or forethought… but if the position is > strong, depending upon the nature of the planet, the troubles are > passed after a bit of absortion. Say Jupiter is well placed in the > chart and hence strong. By nature, Jupiter is benevolent and wants > the welfare of everyone in general. He will try to tolerate as much > as possible and then pass the troubles to Ketu (desciple/son). If > Jupiter is weak and malefic, the ability to show its benevolent > nature and to absorb some part of the trouble will be much limited > and Ketu will have to suffer much more… > > Every time troubles are passed on to the bait, some part of the > trouble is still absorbed by the plant itself… Its not that they > escape it 100%...They are still affected. And everytime any planet > who has a bait gets trouble, does try to pass its troubles to its > own bait… > > If Saturn gives trouble to Venus (Saturn's bait), and Venus can't > absorb it, I don't see any reason why some of that trouble will not > be passed onto Moon (Venus's bait) as well… Let's take a family > example again: Say Saturn (Husband) comes home after a stressful day > at work, when he gets home, he is tired and impatient, if the Venus > (Wife) is good and strong, she will handle the situation all right, > make him a nice meal, talk nicely etc and make him feel better.. > Trouble finished. If say, the husband somes home with a lot of > trouble (say he's having an affair) trouble is too much for Venus to > handle, she will obviously pass this trouble to Moon… and Moon will > to Jup/Mars/Sum and so on and so forth…. > > Regards, > Anshev B. Bhardwejj > > > > > , " m.r. gupta " <mrgupta_in> > wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I have tried to analyse the questions and forwarding > > to all of of you for comments please : > > 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced > > during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. > > e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the > > effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period)- as > > per condition for Kurbani ke Bakre which is not > > affected by any other condition of planet, effect of > > Kurbani ke Bakre should be experienced during its DASA > > also - i.e. Kurbani ki koi shart nahi hai. > > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And > > that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra - Very first > > thing is observed that Jup & Sun, form a friend group > > with Mars and Moon. Options to Moon for having kurbani > > ka bakra : Moon is kurbani ka bakra of Shukra so > > shukra cannot be kurbani ka bakra for Moon, so any > > other planet (Merc) which have shukra as kurbani ka > > bakra, shall not be kurbani ka bakra of Moon. So > > Shukra & Merc are out. Moon causes lunar eclipse with > > Ketu and Ketu is kurbani ka bakra of remaining 3 > > planets Sun, Mars & Jup hence all these 3 are kurbani > > ke bakra of Moon. Sun has kurbani ka bakra Rahu with > > whom it makes solar eclise, so Moon doesn't take Rahu > > her kurbani ka bakra (Sun doesn't take Ketu its > > kurbani ka bakra 'cause Moon makes lunar eclipse with > > it)- Sun/Moon eclipses prevent them having a common > > kurbani ka bakra. > > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as > > Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. > > Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus.- I > > don't think there is any difference i.e. mercy is > > absent for friend, again 'cause kurbani ka bakra ke > > liye koi shart nahi. > > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra > > why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis > > (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes > > bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his > > bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon > > and so on… - Kurbani ka Bakra is one complete event > > itself where replacement have no place and also for > > kurbani ka bakra there is no such condition. > > 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait > > and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus > > (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it > > effect wife (venus) Now > > Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani > > Ka bakra?? > > And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which > > can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? - Not > > getting now, other members may try. > > > > M.R. GUPTA > > > > --- Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Shunny Ji, > > > All the questions required research work. I feel > > > that We are coming to the right track. Your querries > > > shows that you read regularly. I feel that members > > > do the research and put their findings in the group. > > > regards > > > nirmal kumar bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > ======== At 2005-05-01, 21:40:25 you wrote: ======== > > > > > > 1.5.2005 > > > Dear All Members > > > Since the discussion is continued on Kurbani Ke > > > Bakre. I have some points which is not clear to me > > > and request learned members to throw light please > > > 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced > > > during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. > > > e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the > > > effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period) > > > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And > > > that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra > > > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as > > > Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. > > > Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus. > > > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra > > > why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis > > > (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes > > > bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his > > > bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon > > > and so on… > > > 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait > > > and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus > > > (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it > > > effect wife (venus) Now > > > Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani > > > Ka bakra?? > > > And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which > > > can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? > > > Thanking in advance > > > > > > Shunny Nigam > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Dear Gullu ji, Thanks for your kind words of encouragement. These hits are given in the Lal Kitab by Pt. Roop Chand ji. I simply connected the dots. Regards, Anshev , " Gullu Badshaw " <acura_2004> wrote: > Anshev ji, > You made it very easy to understand by comparing/giving > family examples. > > Thanks for explaining in such details. > > Gullu > > , " Anshev B Bhardwejj " > <anshevb> wrote: > > Respected Guptaji and Shunny Nigam ji, > > > > Based on my knowledge and understanding, here are my opinions on > > some of these questions: > > > > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And that too > making > > friend a kurbani ka bakra > > > > Ans: The kurbani ka bakra rule is based on the nature and dynamics > > of the planetary relationships. . Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji, in Lal > > Kitab has simply given the results of his observations of this > > phenomenon. > > > > Nature of Moom is such that it makes its friends (Jup, Mars and > Sun) > > as Kurbani ka Bakra. I like to think in terms of real life > > situation. It makes the concept easier to understand and remember. > A > > mother (moon), when has a trouble, shares it with her teacher or > > husband (Jup), Brother (Mars) and Son (Sun)… She doesn't has > enmity > > with any of these planets and maybe she doesn't even wants to > > trouble them, but she has no other alternative than to share the > > load with these people. > > > > Why no other plant is not her kurbani ka bakra… I'd say that this > is > > just how it is based on planetary nature and dynamics of their > > relationships with others…This is just how Moon behaves. > > > > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as Kurbani ka bakra > and > > ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra > > > > Ans: I think the answers may differ based on the opinions of > > individuals here… I see a subtle difference … The troubles are > being > > passed onto the kurbani ka bakra but the way they are being passed > > differs. Again to take an example of the family situation, A > > daughter-in-law (Venus) passes her troubles to mother-in-law > (Moon) > > in a conniving/secretive way… Here sympathy or empathy maybe > missing > > in general for Moon. But when Mother (Moon) passes her troubles to > > (husband/teacher) Jup, (Brother) Mars and (Son)Sun, she is doing > so > > in a subtely different way… Here there may be sympathy/empathy > > towards these relations… She may do so in more cautious way, in a > > way that these troubles can be better absorbed by these planets… > The > > troubles are being passed no doubt, but the inspiration behind the > > act as well as the manner in which it is passed may be slightly > > different. > > > > Even by the fact that Moon passes troubles to 3 planets (Jup, Mars > > and Sun) instead of just one, indicates the fact that there is > > empathy and well being behind the idea of passing troubles. Three > > planets are sharing the load instead of just one… Troubles become > > one third and hence easier to tolerate… Her intention is not to > > break their backs under the pressure of the trouble but simply to > > share her own trouble… > > > > Venus, on the other hand feels little sympathy for the mother-in- > > law, who she dislikes by nature… She has little consideration of > > what will happen if I give all these troubles to Moon (mother-in- > law) > > … Even if moon goes blind, Venus doesn't care much…. > > > > > > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra why cant they > > use there bait at the time of crisis (when he is being used as > bait) > > > > Answer: That depends upon their own strength and position in the > > chart. If the planet is well placed, strong, well supported by > > friends, he/she will have a better immunity against troubles and > > hence will be able to tolerate more and pass on less… I think when > > trouble comes to a planet first, it does affect them a bit. The > > planet tries to tolerate it and if the trouble is too much to > > handle, then passes it to the bait. If the planet is already weak, > > the power to tolerate will be very little and it will pass all the > > trouble without resistance or forethought… but if the position is > > strong, depending upon the nature of the planet, the troubles are > > passed after a bit of absortion. Say Jupiter is well placed in the > > chart and hence strong. By nature, Jupiter is benevolent and wants > > the welfare of everyone in general. He will try to tolerate as > much > > as possible and then pass the troubles to Ketu (desciple/son). If > > Jupiter is weak and malefic, the ability to show its benevolent > > nature and to absorb some part of the trouble will be much limited > > and Ketu will have to suffer much more… > > > > Every time troubles are passed on to the bait, some part of the > > trouble is still absorbed by the plant itself… Its not that they > > escape it 100%...They are still affected. And everytime any planet > > who has a bait gets trouble, does try to pass its troubles to its > > own bait… > > > > If Saturn gives trouble to Venus (Saturn's bait), and Venus can't > > absorb it, I don't see any reason why some of that trouble will > not > > be passed onto Moon (Venus's bait) as well… Let's take a family > > example again: Say Saturn (Husband) comes home after a stressful > day > > at work, when he gets home, he is tired and impatient, if the > Venus > > (Wife) is good and strong, she will handle the situation all > right, > > make him a nice meal, talk nicely etc and make him feel better.. > > Trouble finished. If say, the husband somes home with a lot of > > trouble (say he's having an affair) trouble is too much for Venus > to > > handle, she will obviously pass this trouble to Moon… and Moon > will > > to Jup/Mars/Sum and so on and so forth…. > > > > Regards, > > Anshev B. Bhardwejj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " m.r. gupta " > <mrgupta_in> > > wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > I have tried to analyse the questions and forwarding > > > to all of of you for comments please : > > > 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced > > > during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. > > > e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the > > > effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period)- as > > > per condition for Kurbani ke Bakre which is not > > > affected by any other condition of planet, effect of > > > Kurbani ke Bakre should be experienced during its DASA > > > also - i.e. Kurbani ki koi shart nahi hai. > > > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And > > > that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra - Very first > > > thing is observed that Jup & Sun, form a friend group > > > with Mars and Moon. Options to Moon for having kurbani > > > ka bakra : Moon is kurbani ka bakra of Shukra so > > > shukra cannot be kurbani ka bakra for Moon, so any > > > other planet (Merc) which have shukra as kurbani ka > > > bakra, shall not be kurbani ka bakra of Moon. So > > > Shukra & Merc are out. Moon causes lunar eclipse with > > > Ketu and Ketu is kurbani ka bakra of remaining 3 > > > planets Sun, Mars & Jup hence all these 3 are kurbani > > > ke bakra of Moon. Sun has kurbani ka bakra Rahu with > > > whom it makes solar eclise, so Moon doesn't take Rahu > > > her kurbani ka bakra (Sun doesn't take Ketu its > > > kurbani ka bakra 'cause Moon makes lunar eclipse with > > > it)- Sun/Moon eclipses prevent them having a common > > > kurbani ka bakra. > > > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as > > > Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. > > > Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus.- I > > > don't think there is any difference i.e. mercy is > > > absent for friend, again 'cause kurbani ka bakra ke > > > liye koi shart nahi. > > > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra > > > why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis > > > (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes > > > bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his > > > bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon > > > and so on… - Kurbani ka Bakra is one complete event > > > itself where replacement have no place and also for > > > kurbani ka bakra there is no such condition. > > > 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait > > > and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus > > > (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it > > > effect wife (venus) Now > > > Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani > > > Ka bakra?? > > > And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which > > > can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? - Not > > > getting now, other members may try. > > > > > > M.R. GUPTA > > > > > > --- Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Shunny Ji, > > > > All the questions required research work. I feel > > > > that We are coming to the right track. Your querries > > > > shows that you read regularly. I feel that members > > > > do the research and put their findings in the group. > > > > regards > > > > nirmal kumar bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======== At 2005-05-01, 21:40:25 you wrote: ======== > > > > > > > > 1.5.2005 > > > > Dear All Members > > > > Since the discussion is continued on Kurbani Ke > > > > Bakre. I have some points which is not clear to me > > > > and request learned members to throw light please > > > > 1.Will the effect of Kurbani ke Bakre experienced > > > > during the DASA of the planet who uses his bait. > > > > e.g. Merc uses Venus as Kurbani ka Bakra so will the > > > > effect experienced during 34-35 yrs(Merc period) > > > > 2. Why Moon has 3 baits like Sun, Mars and Jup?? And > > > > that too making friend a kurbani ka bakra > > > > 3. Is there any difference of making FRIEND as > > > > Kurbani ka bakra and ENEMY as kurbani ka bakra e.g. > > > > Venus makes Moon as bait which is enemy to venus. > > > > 4. Now since most of the planet has kurbani ka bakra > > > > why cant they use there bait at the time of crisis > > > > (when he is being used as bait) e.g. Venus becomes > > > > bait of Merc, therefore now venus can also use his > > > > bait to save himself by using his bait that is Moon > > > > and so on… > > > > 5.It was stated that Saturn has Rahu Ketu as bait > > > > and indirectly this turned into artificial Venus > > > > (Rahu+ketu) so saturn has venus as bait and it > > > > effect wife (venus) Now > > > > Why Venus was not considered for Saturn as Kurbani > > > > Ka bakra?? > > > > And why saturn has given bait Rahu and Ketu which > > > > can not be together to make Venus in kundli?? > > > > Thanking in advance > > > > > > > > Shunny Nigam > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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