Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Respected, Astrostudents, The following lines of Khana1 required clarification GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA what does grah phal raja kundli ka means Best regards. Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nk 2005-01-07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Dear Mr.Nirmal, To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining to Khana No.1 are as under: "The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sun is of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does" Regards, Dr.Amar AggarwalNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk wrote: Respected, Astrostudents, The following lines of Khana1 required clarificationGHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARIGRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KAwhat does grah phal raja kundli ka meansBest regards. Nirmal Kumar Bhardwajnk2005-01-07 Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Respected Dr. Aggarwal Sahib, Sir !, you have mentioned that Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in the first house, but I beg to say that your observation is a bit ambiguous. as per the Lal Kitab (1942 edition). The 1st house is considered as the "PUCCA HOUSE" of Sun, and the Sun is considered as "OONCH" in this house. Actually the Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in the house no. 5, but not in the 1st house. As a humble student, I would love to hear the exact meanings of the couplet from your good-self. Will you be kind enough to clear the suspicion? Regards Yograj PrabhakarAmar Aggarwal <gnagesh79 wrote: Dear Mr.Nirmal, To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining to Khana No.1 are as under: "The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sun is of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does" Regards, Dr.Amar AggarwalNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk wrote: Respected, Astrostudents, The following lines of Khana1 required clarificationGHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARIGRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KAwhat does grah phal raja kundli ka meansBest regards. Nirmal Kumar Bhardwajnk2005-01-07 Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Res. Prabhakar ji, Due full respect in you and your knowledge i bow my head in front of you. Becaz it is a discussion fourm so i have to draw your attention in Paragraph of " Sun " in 1942 edition line no. 13-14 " Grah shatru jo sathi hove, madad Ravi ki karta hey I khud kabhi na Rashiphal ka, Grah sabko hi dabata hey II " Mere khyal se " Surya " kabhi bhi rashiphal ka nahi hota. in edition 1941 " Aarmaan no. 6 in chapter of " Surya " Pandit ji says that 1. Suraj kabhi Rashiphal ka nahin hota. 2. Khaana no. 1-5 main Suraj jis rashi main baitha ho us rashi ka swami grah ya us rashi no. ke swami grah ka sathi grah " rashiphal " ka ho jayega. 3. GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA Means Pahla ghar yani ki mesh Rashi jiska swami mangal hey aur Suraj ka pakka ghar mana hey. Yahan Suraj oonch ka hota hey,Shani nich ka yani ashubh phal vala,Rahu rashiphal ka mana jata hey yani ki jiska upay ho sakey aur " Mangal Nek " Grahphal ka ki jiska koi upay nahin hota hey. Es ghar main aaney vale grah ki stithi kundlee main " Raja " ki bhanti hoti hey kyonki vah sabsey jyada prabhavshali grah hota hey esiliye es bhav ko " Takhat Hazari aur phal main Raja ki bhanti hesiyat vala mana gaya hey. ye chota sa vishleshan aapkey samukh hey. Aagey Gurujans sambhodit karen. Parnaam Pavan khera , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > Respected Dr. Aggarwal Sahib, > Sir !, you have mentioned that Sun is the planet of " Grah Phal " in the first house, but I beg to say that your observation is a bit ambiguous. > > as per the Lal Kitab (1942 edition). The 1st house is considered as the " PUCCA HOUSE " of Sun, and the Sun is considered as " OONCH " in this house. Actually the Sun is the planet of " Grah Phal " in the house no. 5, but not in the 1st house. > > As a humble student, I would love to hear the exact meanings of the couplet from your good-self. Will you be kind enough to clear the suspicion? > > Regards > > Yograj Prabhakar > > Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79> wrote: > Dear Mr.Nirmal, > To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining to Khana No.1 are as under: > " The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sun is of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does " > Regards, > Dr.Amar Aggarwal > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote: > Respected, Astrostudents, > The following lines of Khana1 required clarification > GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI > GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA > > what does grah phal raja kundli ka means > Best regards. > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > nk@g... > 2005-01-07 > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Respected Khera Sahib, Bulls eye! That is what I was wanting to hear from Dr. Aggarwal Sahib. The explaination you have given cleared all of my doubts. Whoever will read your lines will easily understand the true meanings behind the couplet in question. You will agree that witout this expalinations it would not have been possible for anybody to know the coreect meanings of those lines. Moreover, you have further cemented my belief that, all five versions of the legendary Lal Kitab are complimentary to each other. You see, for those lines of 1952 edition, I quote from the 1942 edition, and to prove your point your good-self used the expalination from the 1941 edition. For example, in the 1952 edition the remedy of Dry Coconuts and Lead is not described in terms of quantity, whereas inearlier editions the quantity is clearly mentioned. Now it is looking like a discussion forum. I am happy that I am able to attract attentions of the learned members of the group on a very important point. As far as I am concerned, Sir! I am a mediocre student of Lal Kitab, trying to learn the "Alif-Bey" of the subject.Moreover I used the word "Ambiguous" not "Incorrect" in my post and asked for the detailed explaination as a humble student. Regards, Yograj Prabhakar. pavankhera <pavankhera wrote: Res. Prabhakar ji,Due full respect in you and your knowledge i bow my head in front ofyou. Becaz it is a discussion fourm so i have to draw your attentionin Paragraph of "Sun" in 1942 edition line no. 13-14" Grah shatru jo sathi hove, madad Ravi ki karta hey I khud kabhi na Rashiphal ka, Grah sabko hi dabata hey II"Mere khyal se "Surya" kabhi bhi rashiphal ka nahi hota.in edition 1941 "Aarmaan no. 6 in chapter of "Surya" Pandit ji saysthat1. Suraj kabhi Rashiphal ka nahin hota.2. Khaana no. 1-5 main Suraj jis rashi main baitha ho us rashi kaswami grah ya us rashi no. ke swami grah ka sathi grah "rashiphal" kaho jayega. 3. GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KAMeans Pahla ghar yani ki mesh Rashi jiska swami mangal hey aurSuraj ka pakka ghar mana hey. Yahan Suraj oonch ka hota hey,Shani nichka yani ashubh phal vala,Rahu rashiphal ka mana jata hey yani ki jiskaupay ho sakey aur "Mangal Nek" Grahphal ka ki jiska koi upay nahinhota hey. Es ghar main aaney vale grah ki stithi kundlee main "Raja"ki bhanti hoti hey kyonki vah sabsey jyada prabhavshali grah hota heyesiliye es bhav ko "Takhat Hazari aur phal main Raja ki bhanti hesiyatvala mana gaya hey.ye chota sa vishleshan aapkey samukh hey. Aagey Gurujans sambhodit karen. Parnaam Pavan khera , Yograj Prabhakar<yr_prabhakar> wrote:> Respected Dr. Aggarwal Sahib,> Sir !, you have mentioned that Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" inthe first house, but I beg to say that your observation is a bitambiguous. > > as per the Lal Kitab (1942 edition). The 1st house is considered asthe "PUCCA HOUSE" of Sun, and the Sun is considered as "OONCH" in thishouse. Actually the Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in the house no.5, but not in the 1st house.> > As a humble student, I would love to hear the exact meanings of thecouplet from your good-self. Will you be kind enough to clear thesuspicion? > > Regards> > Yograj Prabhakar> > Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79> wrote:> Dear Mr.Nirmal,> To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining toKhana No.1 are as under:> "The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sunis of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does"> Regards,> Dr.Amar Aggarwal> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote:> Respected, Astrostudents,> The following lines of Khana1 required clarification> GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI> GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA> > what does grah phal raja kundli ka means> Best regards. > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> nk@g...> 2005-01-07> > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Pranaam Khera Ji, I am reproducing two excrepts for two different booksI--- GRAH PHAL AND RASHI PHAL JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI MUKARIR RASHI (YAANI VO ROSHI JISKE KI VO GHAR KA MALIK GRAH GINA JATA HAI) YA UCH - NEECH PHAL KI THEHRAYEE HUYEE RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISI AUR GAIR RAHI MEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH ( JADD ADLA BADLI) KAR LENE WALA AADI BAN JAYE TO VO GRAH UUS HAALAT MEIN RASHI PHAL KA SHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA. JISKE BURE ASAR SE BACHNE KE LIYE SHAK KA FAYADA UTHAAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. ISKE VARKHILAAF YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALAT KE ULAT HAAL PER VO GRAH PHAL ( YAA PAKKI HAALAT) KAA GRAH HOGA.JISKE BURE ASAR KO TABDILI KARNE KI KOSHISH KARNA BE- MAYNI KARNA BALKI INSANI TAAQAT SE BAHIR HOGA. II-- GRAH KI DOOSRI AWASTHA: GRAH PHAL AUR RASHIPHAL JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI NISHCHIT RAASHI KAA MAALIK YA UCHH-NEECH PHAL KE LIYE THEHRAYEE HUYI RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISI DOOSRI AUR RASHI MEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH, JAD ADLA BADLI KARNE WALA BGAIRAH BUN JAYE TO VEH GRAH AISI HAALAT MEIN RASHIPHAL YA SHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA .JISKE BURE ASAR SE BACHNE KE LIYE SHAKK KA FAYEDA UTHAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. ISKE VIRUDH YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALAT KE ULAT HAAL PER JAB KI VEH OOCH -NEECH GHAR KA YA APNE GHAR KA, PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO JAYE TO VEH GRAH PAKKI HAALAT KO HOGA JISKE PRABHAAV HAMESHA KE LIYE NISHCHIT HO CHUKA HAI. USKE BURE ASAR KO TABDEEL KARNA VYARTH BALKI INSAANI TAQAT SE BAHA HOGA Now From the above it seems that there is some ambiguity in the position of planets given as rashi phal or grah phal in different houses .in the tables of Lal Kitaab . As per above Sun, Saturn, Mars, are to be considered as grah phal in first house and all other plantes shall be of rashi phal but in the same context (as stated in other places or in tables) only Rahu is consisdered as of rashi phal. In my opinion as per the data available with me:that the above statements hold good for all the planets in general i.e. all planets excepts Sun, Mars and Saturn are of rahiphal in this house.that if any masnooyee combination exists in any house then the asli planet which is of grah phal in that house will become the grah of rashi phal. Experts please commentsBest RegardsNirmal======== At 2005-01-08, 01:36:23 you wrote: ========Res. Prabhakar ji,Due full respect in you and your knowledge i bow my head in front ofyou. Becaz it is a discussion fourm so i have to draw your attentionin Paragraph of "Sun" in 1942 edition line no. 13-14" Grah shatru jo sathi hove, madad Ravi ki karta hey I khud kabhi na Rashiphal ka, Grah sabko hi dabata hey II"Mere khyal se "Surya" kabhi bhi rashiphal ka nahi hota.in edition 1941 "Aarmaan no. 6 in chapter of "Surya" Pandit ji saysthat1. Suraj kabhi Rashiphal ka nahin hota.2. Khaana no. 1-5 main Suraj jis rashi main baitha ho us rashi kaswami grah ya us rashi no. ke swami grah ka sathi grah "rashiphal" kaho jayega. 3. GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KAMeans Pahla ghar yani ki mesh Rashi jiska swami mangal hey aurSuraj ka pakka ghar mana hey. Yahan Suraj oonch ka hota hey,Shani nichka yani ashubh phal vala,Rahu rashiphal ka mana jata hey yani ki jiskaupay ho sakey aur "Mangal Nek" Grahphal ka ki jiska koi upay nahinhota hey. Es ghar main aaney vale grah ki stithi kundlee main "Raja"ki bhanti hoti hey kyonki vah sabsey jyada prabhavshali grah hota heyesiliye es bhav ko "Takhat Hazari aur phal main Raja ki bhanti hesiyatvala mana gaya hey.ye chota sa vishleshan aapkey samukh hey. Aagey Gurujans sambhodit karen. Parnaam Pavan khera , Yograj Prabhakar<yr_prabhakar> wrote:> Respected Dr. Aggarwal Sahib,> Sir !, you have mentioned that Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" inthe first house, but I beg to say that your observation is a bitambiguous. > > as per the Lal Kitab (1942 edition). The 1st house is considered asthe "PUCCA HOUSE" of Sun, and the Sun is considered as "OONCH" in thishouse. Actually the Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in the house no.5, but not in the 1st house.> > As a humble student, I would love to hear the exact meanings of thecouplet from your good-self. Will you be kind enough to clear thesuspicion? > > Regards> > Yograj Prabhakar> > Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79> wrote:> Dear Mr.Nirmal,> To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining toKhana No.1 are as under:> "The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sunis of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does"> Regards,> Dr.Amar Aggarwal> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote:> Respected, Astrostudents,> The following lines of Khana1 required clarification> GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI> GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA> > what does grah phal raja kundli ka means> Best regards. > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> nk@g...> 2005-01-07> > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Dear Mr.Yograj Ji, It was a fault on my part. Thanks a lot for correction. Dr.Amar Aggarwal Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Res. N.K. Bhardwaj ji, I think we are discuss on Lagna means First house. " PEHLA GHAR HEY TAKHAT HAZARI, GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLEE KA " PavanKhera. , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nk@g...> wrote: > Pranaam Khera Ji, > I am reproducing two excrepts for two different books > I--- GRAH PHAL AND RASHI PHAL > JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI MUKARIR RASHI (YAANI VO ROSHI JISKE KI VO GHAR KA MALIK GRAH GINA JATA HAI) YA UCH - NEECH PHAL KI THEHRAYEE HUYEE RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISI AUR GAIR RAHI MEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH ( JADD ADLA BADLI) KAR LENE WALA AADI BAN JAYE TO VO GRAH UUS HAALAT MEIN RASHI PHAL KA SHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA. JISKE BURE ASAR SE BACHNE KE LIYE SHAK KA FAYADA UTHAAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. ISKE VARKHILAAF YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALAT KE ULAT HAAL PER VO GRAH PHAL ( YAA PAKKI HAALAT) KAA GRAH HOGA.JISKE BURE ASAR KO TABDILI KARNE KI KOSHISH KARNA BE- MAYNI KARNA BALKI INSANI TAAQAT SE BAHIR HOGA. > > > II-- GRAH KI DOOSRI AWASTHA: GRAH PHAL AUR RASHIPHAL > JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI NISHCHIT RAASHI KAA MAALIK YA UCHH-NEECH PHAL KE LIYE THEHRAYEE HUYI RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISI DOOSRI AUR RASHI MEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH, JAD ADLA BADLI KARNE WALA BGAIRAH BUN JAYE TO VEH GRAH AISI HAALAT MEIN RASHIPHAL YA SHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA .JISKE BURE ASAR SE BACHNE KE LIYE SHAKK KA FAYEDA UTHAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. > ISKE VIRUDH YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALAT KE ULAT HAAL PER JAB KI VEH OOCH -NEECH GHAR KA YA APNE GHAR KA, PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO JAYE TO VEH GRAH PAKKI HAALAT KO HOGA JISKE PRABHAAV HAMESHA KE LIYE NISHCHIT HO CHUKA HAI. USKE BURE ASAR KO TABDEEL KARNA VYARTH BALKI INSAANI TAQAT SE BAHA HOGA > > Now From the above it seems that there is some ambiguity in the position of planets given as rashi phal or grah phal in different houses .in the tables of Lal Kitaab . As per above Sun, Saturn, Mars, are to be considered as grah phal in first house and all other plantes shall be of rashi phal but in the same context (as stated in other places or in tables) only Rahu is consisdered as of rashi phal. > > In my opinion as per the data available with me: > that the above statements hold good for all the planets in general i.e. all planets excepts Sun, Mars and Saturn are of rahiphal in this house. > that if any masnooyee combination exists in any house then the asli planet which is of grah phal in that house will become the grah of rashi phal. > > Experts please comments > Best Regards > Nirmal > ======== At 2005-01-08, 01:36:23 you wrote: ======== > > > Res. Prabhakar ji, > Due full respect in you and your knowledge i bow my head in front of > you. Becaz it is a discussion fourm so i have to draw your attention > in Paragraph of " Sun " in 1942 edition line no. 13-14 > " Grah shatru jo sathi hove, madad Ravi ki karta hey I > khud kabhi na Rashiphal ka, Grah sabko hi dabata hey II " > Mere khyal se " Surya " kabhi bhi rashiphal ka nahi hota. > in edition 1941 " Aarmaan no. 6 in chapter of " Surya " Pandit ji says > that > 1. Suraj kabhi Rashiphal ka nahin hota. > 2. Khaana no. 1-5 main Suraj jis rashi main baitha ho us rashi ka > swami grah ya us rashi no. ke swami grah ka sathi grah " rashiphal " ka > ho jayega. > 3. GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI > GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA > Means > Pahla ghar yani ki mesh Rashi jiska swami mangal hey aur > Suraj ka pakka ghar mana hey. Yahan Suraj oonch ka hota hey,Shani nich > ka yani ashubh phal vala,Rahu rashiphal ka mana jata hey yani ki jiska > upay ho sakey aur " Mangal Nek " Grahphal ka ki jiska koi upay nahin > hota hey. Es ghar main aaney vale grah ki stithi kundlee main " Raja " > ki bhanti hoti hey kyonki vah sabsey jyada prabhavshali grah hota hey > esiliye es bhav ko " Takhat Hazari aur phal main Raja ki bhanti hesiyat > vala mana gaya hey. > ye chota sa vishleshan aapkey samukh hey. Aagey Gurujans sambhodit karen. > Parnaam > Pavan khera > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > Respected Dr. Aggarwal Sahib, > > Sir !, you have mentioned that Sun is the planet of " Grah Phal " in > the first house, but I beg to say that your observation is a bit > ambiguous. > > > > as per the Lal Kitab (1942 edition). The 1st house is considered as > the " PUCCA HOUSE " of Sun, and the Sun is considered as " OONCH " in this > house. Actually the Sun is the planet of " Grah Phal " in the house no. > 5, but not in the 1st house. > > > > As a humble student, I would love to hear the exact meanings of the > couplet from your good-self. Will you be kind enough to clear the > suspicion? > > > > Regards > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79> wrote: > > Dear Mr.Nirmal, > > To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining to > Khana No.1 are as under: > > " The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sun > is of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does " > > Regards, > > Dr.Amar Aggarwal > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote: > > Respected, Astrostudents, > > The following lines of Khana1 required clarification > > GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI > > GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA > > > > what does grah phal raja kundli ka means > > Best regards. > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > nk@g... > > 2005-01-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Pranaan Khera Ji, Shayad mein apne prashna theek se nahi pooch paya, mere kehne ka abhipraya yeh thaa ki hamne Pehle ghar mein mangal ko Grah phal kaa aur Rahu ko rashi phal ka maanaa hai. Per neeche likhi huyee ibaarat ke mutabik (Jo ki Lal Kittab mein se hi lee gayee hai) is ghar mein Surya , Shani aur mangal grah phal ke honge aur baaki ke grah yaani ki Guru, Budh, Shukra, Rahu, Ketu and Chandra Rashi phal ke honge.Mera prashna yeh hai ki Sirf Mangal aur rahu hee kyon maane gaye hain is ghar me grah phal ke aur rashi phal ke.Aabhaari Nirmal ======== At 2005-01-08, 21:25:57 you wrote: ========Res. N.K. Bhardwaj ji,I think we are discuss on Lagna means First house. "PEHLA GHAR HEY TAKHAT HAZARI, GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLEE KA" PavanKhera. , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj"<nk@g...> wrote:> Pranaam Khera Ji,> I am reproducing two excrepts for two different books> I--- GRAH PHAL AND RASHI PHAL> JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI MUKARIR RASHI (YAANI VO ROSHI JISKEKI VO GHAR KA MALIK GRAH GINA JATA HAI) YA UCH - NEECH PHAL KITHEHRAYEE HUYEE RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISI AUR GAIR RAHIMEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH ( JADD ADLA BADLI)KAR LENE WALA AADI BAN JAYE TO VO GRAH UUS HAALAT MEIN RASHI PHAL KASHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA. JISKE BURE ASAR SE BACHNE KE LIYE SHAK KAFAYADA UTHAAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. ISKE VARKHILAAF YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALATKE ULAT HAAL PER VO GRAH PHAL ( YAA PAKKI HAALAT) KAA GRAH HOGA.JISKEBURE ASAR KO TABDILI KARNE KI KOSHISH KARNA BE- MAYNI KARNA BALKIINSANI TAAQAT SE BAHIR HOGA.> > > II-- GRAH KI DOOSRI AWASTHA: GRAH PHAL AUR RASHIPHAL> JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI NISHCHIT RAASHI KAA MAALIK YA UCHH-NEECHPHAL KE LIYE THEHRAYEE HUYI RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISIDOOSRI AUR RASHI MEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH,JAD ADLA BADLI KARNE WALA BGAIRAH BUN JAYE TO VEH GRAH AISI HAALATMEIN RASHIPHAL YA SHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA .JISKE BURE ASAR SEBACHNE KE LIYE SHAKK KA FAYEDA UTHAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. > ISKE VIRUDH YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALAT KE ULAT HAAL PER JAB KI VEH OOCH-NEECH GHAR KA YA APNE GHAR KA, PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO JAYE TO VEHGRAH PAKKI HAALAT KO HOGA JISKE PRABHAAV HAMESHA KE LIYE NISHCHIT HOCHUKA HAI. USKE BURE ASAR KO TABDEEL KARNA VYARTH BALKI INSAANI TAQATSE BAHA HOGA> > Now From the above it seems that there is some ambiguity in theposition of planets given as rashi phal or grah phal in differenthouses .in the tables of Lal Kitaab . As per above Sun, Saturn, Mars,are to be considered as grah phal in first house and all other plantesshall be of rashi phal but in the same context (as stated in otherplaces or in tables) only Rahu is consisdered as of rashi phal. > > In my opinion as per the data available with me:> that the above statements hold good for all the planets in generali.e. all planets excepts Sun, Mars and Saturn are of rahiphal in thishouse.> that if any masnooyee combination exists in any house then the asliplanet which is of grah phal in that house will become the grah ofrashi phal.> > Experts please comments> Best Regards> Nirmal> ======== At 2005-01-08, 01:36:23 you wrote: ========> > > Res. Prabhakar ji,> Due full respect in you and your knowledge i bow my head in front of> you. Becaz it is a discussion fourm so i have to draw your attention> in Paragraph of "Sun" in 1942 edition line no. 13-14> " Grah shatru jo sathi hove, madad Ravi ki karta hey I> khud kabhi na Rashiphal ka, Grah sabko hi dabata hey II"> Mere khyal se "Surya" kabhi bhi rashiphal ka nahi hota.> in edition 1941 "Aarmaan no. 6 in chapter of "Surya" Pandit ji says> that> 1. Suraj kabhi Rashiphal ka nahin hota.> 2. Khaana no. 1-5 main Suraj jis rashi main baitha ho us rashi ka> swami grah ya us rashi no. ke swami grah ka sathi grah "rashiphal" ka> ho jayega. > 3. GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI> GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA> Means> Pahla ghar yani ki mesh Rashi jiska swami mangal hey aur> Suraj ka pakka ghar mana hey. Yahan Suraj oonch ka hota hey,Shani nich> ka yani ashubh phal vala,Rahu rashiphal ka mana jata hey yani ki jiska> upay ho sakey aur "Mangal Nek" Grahphal ka ki jiska koi upay nahin> hota hey. Es ghar main aaney vale grah ki stithi kundlee main "Raja"> ki bhanti hoti hey kyonki vah sabsey jyada prabhavshali grah hota hey> esiliye es bhav ko "Takhat Hazari aur phal main Raja ki bhanti hesiyat> vala mana gaya hey.> ye chota sa vishleshan aapkey samukh hey. Aagey Gurujans sambhoditkaren.> Parnaam> Pavan khera> > , Yograj Prabhakar> <yr_prabhakar> wrote:> > Respected Dr. Aggarwal Sahib,> > Sir !, you have mentioned that Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in> the first house, but I beg to say that your observation is a bit> ambiguous. > > > > as per the Lal Kitab (1942 edition). The 1st house is considered as> the "PUCCA HOUSE" of Sun, and the Sun is considered as "OONCH" in this> house. Actually the Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in the house no.> 5, but not in the 1st house.> > > > As a humble student, I would love to hear the exact meanings of the> couplet from your good-self. Will you be kind enough to clear the> suspicion? > > > > Regards> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79> wrote:> > Dear Mr.Nirmal,> > To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining to> Khana No.1 are as under:> > "The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sun> is of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does"> > Regards,> > Dr.Amar Aggarwal> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote:> > Respected, Astrostudents,> > The following lines of Khana1 required clarification> > GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI> > GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA> > > > what does grah phal raja kundli ka means> > Best regards. > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > nk@g...> > 2005-01-07> > > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Pranaan Khera Ji, Shayad mein apne prashna theek se nahi pooch paya, mere kehne ka abhipraya yeh thaa ki hamne Pehle ghar mein mangal ko Grah phal kaa aur Rahu ko rashi phal ka maanaa hai. Per neeche likhi huyee ibaarat ke mutabik (Jo ki Lal Kittab mein se hi lee gayee hai) is ghar mein Surya , Shani aur mangal grah phal ke honge aur baaki ke grah yaani ki Guru, Budh, Shukra, Rahu, Ketu and Chandra Rashi phal ke honge.Mera prashna yeh hai ki Sirf Mangal aur rahu hee kyon maane gaye hain is ghar me grah phal ke aur rashi phal ke.Aabhaari Nirmal ======== At 2005-01-08, 21:25:57 you wrote: ========Res. N.K. Bhardwaj ji,I think we are discuss on Lagna means First house. "PEHLA GHAR HEY TAKHAT HAZARI, GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLEE KA" PavanKhera. , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj"<nk@g...> wrote:> Pranaam Khera Ji,> I am reproducing two excrepts for two different books> I--- GRAH PHAL AND RASHI PHAL> JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI MUKARIR RASHI (YAANI VO ROSHI JISKEKI VO GHAR KA MALIK GRAH GINA JATA HAI) YA UCH - NEECH PHAL KITHEHRAYEE HUYEE RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISI AUR GAIR RAHIMEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH ( JADD ADLA BADLI)KAR LENE WALA AADI BAN JAYE TO VO GRAH UUS HAALAT MEIN RASHI PHAL KASHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA. JISKE BURE ASAR SE BACHNE KE LIYE SHAK KAFAYADA UTHAAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. ISKE VARKHILAAF YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALATKE ULAT HAAL PER VO GRAH PHAL ( YAA PAKKI HAALAT) KAA GRAH HOGA.JISKEBURE ASAR KO TABDILI KARNE KI KOSHISH KARNA BE- MAYNI KARNA BALKIINSANI TAAQAT SE BAHIR HOGA.> > > II-- GRAH KI DOOSRI AWASTHA: GRAH PHAL AUR RASHIPHAL> JAB KOYEE GRAH APNI NISHCHIT RAASHI KAA MAALIK YA UCHH-NEECHPHAL KE LIYE THEHRAYEE HUYI RASHI YA APNE PAKKE GHAR KI BAJAYE KISIDOOSRI AUR RASHI MEIN JAA BAITHE YA KISI DOOSRE GRAH KAA SAATHI GRAH,JAD ADLA BADLI KARNE WALA BGAIRAH BUN JAYE TO VEH GRAH AISI HAALATMEIN RASHIPHAL YA SHAKKI HAALAT KA GRAH HOGA .JISKE BURE ASAR SEBACHNE KE LIYE SHAKK KA FAYEDA UTHAYA JAA SAKTA HAI. > ISKE VIRUDH YAANI OOPER KAHI HAALAT KE ULAT HAAL PER JAB KI VEH OOCH-NEECH GHAR KA YA APNE GHAR KA, PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO JAYE TO VEHGRAH PAKKI HAALAT KO HOGA JISKE PRABHAAV HAMESHA KE LIYE NISHCHIT HOCHUKA HAI. USKE BURE ASAR KO TABDEEL KARNA VYARTH BALKI INSAANI TAQATSE BAHA HOGA> > Now From the above it seems that there is some ambiguity in theposition of planets given as rashi phal or grah phal in differenthouses .in the tables of Lal Kitaab . As per above Sun, Saturn, Mars,are to be considered as grah phal in first house and all other plantesshall be of rashi phal but in the same context (as stated in otherplaces or in tables) only Rahu is consisdered as of rashi phal. > > In my opinion as per the data available with me:> that the above statements hold good for all the planets in generali.e. all planets excepts Sun, Mars and Saturn are of rahiphal in thishouse.> that if any masnooyee combination exists in any house then the asliplanet which is of grah phal in that house will become the grah ofrashi phal.> > Experts please comments> Best Regards> Nirmal> ======== At 2005-01-08, 01:36:23 you wrote: ========> > > Res. Prabhakar ji,> Due full respect in you and your knowledge i bow my head in front of> you. Becaz it is a discussion fourm so i have to draw your attention> in Paragraph of "Sun" in 1942 edition line no. 13-14> " Grah shatru jo sathi hove, madad Ravi ki karta hey I> khud kabhi na Rashiphal ka, Grah sabko hi dabata hey II"> Mere khyal se "Surya" kabhi bhi rashiphal ka nahi hota.> in edition 1941 "Aarmaan no. 6 in chapter of "Surya" Pandit ji says> that> 1. Suraj kabhi Rashiphal ka nahin hota.> 2. Khaana no. 1-5 main Suraj jis rashi main baitha ho us rashi ka> swami grah ya us rashi no. ke swami grah ka sathi grah "rashiphal" ka> ho jayega. > 3. GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI> GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA> Means> Pahla ghar yani ki mesh Rashi jiska swami mangal hey aur> Suraj ka pakka ghar mana hey. Yahan Suraj oonch ka hota hey,Shani nich> ka yani ashubh phal vala,Rahu rashiphal ka mana jata hey yani ki jiska> upay ho sakey aur "Mangal Nek" Grahphal ka ki jiska koi upay nahin> hota hey. Es ghar main aaney vale grah ki stithi kundlee main "Raja"> ki bhanti hoti hey kyonki vah sabsey jyada prabhavshali grah hota hey> esiliye es bhav ko "Takhat Hazari aur phal main Raja ki bhanti hesiyat> vala mana gaya hey.> ye chota sa vishleshan aapkey samukh hey. Aagey Gurujans sambhoditkaren.> Parnaam> Pavan khera> > , Yograj Prabhakar> <yr_prabhakar> wrote:> > Respected Dr. Aggarwal Sahib,> > Sir !, you have mentioned that Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in> the first house, but I beg to say that your observation is a bit> ambiguous. > > > > as per the Lal Kitab (1942 edition). The 1st house is considered as> the "PUCCA HOUSE" of Sun, and the Sun is considered as "OONCH" in this> house. Actually the Sun is the planet of "Grah Phal" in the house no.> 5, but not in the 1st house.> > > > As a humble student, I would love to hear the exact meanings of the> couplet from your good-self. Will you be kind enough to clear the> suspicion? > > > > Regards> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79> wrote:> > Dear Mr.Nirmal,> > To my best knowledge the meanings of lines pertaining to> Khana No.1 are as under:> > "The first house is throne royal and the royal planet the Sun> is of Grah Phal and being King it helps all the planets as a King does"> > Regards,> > Dr.Amar Aggarwal> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nk@g...> wrote:> > Respected, Astrostudents,> > The following lines of Khana1 required clarification> > GHAR PEHLA HAI TAKHT HAZAARI> > GRAH PHAL RAJA KUNDLI KA> > > > what does grah phal raja kundli ka means> > Best regards. > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > nk@g...> > 2005-01-07> > > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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