Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Kesahv ji, 1. The results of the planet which is janam waqt ka grah are predetermined and as such no remedy can change the basic nature whereas the planet which is janam din ka grah is the planet which brightens the destiny of the native. KISMAT KO JAGANE WALA, this can be moulded by remedies. Regarding upayas in the natal chart we see the basic tendency of the planet. if the basic tendency of a planet is bad and it is of planet effect i.e. upaye rahit then there can be no upaya which can change the basic nature from malefic to benevolent. but this planet can be moulded in varshaphal progression by remedies assigned with the houses in which it comes. 2.There is no principle as such which can be used as a reday reckoner to see if the planets are benefic or malefic but there is no need for cramming. The tassir is found by a different system this is called tewe ki darusti. Questions are asked which are related with significators of planets e.g. condition of mother grandfather, progeny, in laws. from here we judge whether the planet is of nek tasir or bad tasir. 3. yes there is no remedy for these planets(pakkaghar) as such but they can be appeased so that they give desired results in varshphal. 4. It depends as in case of sun rahu combination if there is another masnui sun that is mer-venus combination then the result of eclipse is totally different and there is no need for remedy. in the case of mangal as suggested by you remedy will be by combining the house significators with the significators of Mars. after comfirming which one needs a remedy. kulbir singh bains , " niks159 " <niks159> wrote: > > resp kulbir bains; > offcourse we try to look for SHAKKI POSITION OF PLANETS > to provide remedies but if a planet is exalted;debilitated ;own house > [signification house-is it pakka ghar]then is there need for remedy > or it is fixed in results. > 2]janmadin ka grah and janma samaya ka grah -kya inkki remedy daali > jaaye if thay are other wise malefic. > 3]lalkitab grammer me koi na koi basic priciple hai jo planets ko > benefic or melefic ki categori me rakhne me turant nirnay deta hoga ; > otherwise cramming karne se to baat nahi banegi? > 4]agar masnui grah ban gaye se mars bhi ban gaya -ek mangal nek hai > ek mangal badh ban gaya to remdy ka niyam kya hai ;kya house wise > remedy hogi ya planet wise? > keshav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Sh. Kulbeer ji, Sabse pahle to aap meri badhai leyn jiski aap patrta rakhteyn hain. Lal-kitab ke parti aapki shudh bhawna aur sewa se main Itna jaroor kahunga ki Swarg se Pt. Roopchand ji ki Atma se jaroor ashirwad nikal rahey hongey. Kyonki jis udeshay se unhone yeh kitab likhi Aaj usko bilkul andekha kiya ja raha hey.Aap ki es niswarth sewa ke liye aapko Sadhuvadh. Ab jo swal hey ki ek hi patri main do Mangal ho ek nek aur ek bad to jo Mashnoi grahon se bana grah sirf kuch vishesh baton par hi asar karta hey na ki ghar par ya nazar dwara kisi aur ghar/Grah par asar dalta hey. Jaise ki Suraj+Shukar= Brahspati, Ab es brahspati ko sirf Aulad ki pedaish ke talook main upyog main laya jayega naki baki chizon ke liye eska asar dekhengey. Chote se gyan se jo samjha vah aapse share kiya Baki gurujan kripa karen. with love pkhera , " Kulbir Singh Bains " <ceetabains> wrote: > > Kesahv ji, > 1. The results of the planet which is janam waqt ka grah are > predetermined and as such no remedy can change the basic nature > whereas the planet which is janam din ka grah is the planet which > brightens the destiny of the native. KISMAT KO JAGANE WALA, this can > be moulded by remedies. Regarding upayas in the natal chart we see the > basic tendency of the planet. if the basic tendency of a planet is bad > and it is of planet effect i.e. upaye rahit then there can be no upaya > which can change the basic nature from malefic to benevolent. but this > planet can be moulded in varshaphal progression by remedies assigned > with the houses in which it comes. > 2.There is no principle as such which can be used as a reday reckoner > to see if the planets are benefic or malefic but there is no need for > cramming. The tassir is found by a different system this is called > tewe ki darusti. Questions are asked which are related with > significators of planets e.g. condition of mother grandfather, > progeny, in laws. from here we judge whether the planet is of nek > tasir or bad tasir. > 3. yes there is no remedy for these planets(pakkaghar) as such but > they can be appeased so that they give desired results in varshphal. > 4. It depends as in case of sun rahu combination if there is another > masnui sun that is mer-venus combination then the result of eclipse is > totally different and there is no need for remedy. in the case of > mangal as suggested by you remedy will be by combining the house > significators with the significators of Mars. after comfirming which > one needs a remedy. > > kulbir singh bains > > , " niks159 " <niks159> wrote: > > > > resp kulbir bains; > > offcourse we try to look for SHAKKI POSITION OF PLANETS > > to provide remedies but if a planet is exalted;debilitated ;own house > > [signification house-is it pakka ghar]then is there need for remedy > > or it is fixed in results. > > 2]janmadin ka grah and janma samaya ka grah -kya inkki remedy daali > > jaaye if thay are other wise malefic. > > 3]lalkitab grammer me koi na koi basic priciple hai jo planets ko > > benefic or melefic ki categori me rakhne me turant nirnay deta hoga ; > > otherwise cramming karne se to baat nahi banegi? > > 4]agar masnui grah ban gaye se mars bhi ban gaya -ek mangal nek hai > > ek mangal badh ban gaya to remdy ka niyam kya hai ;kya house wise > > remedy hogi ya planet wise? > > keshav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Respected, Kulbir Singh Bains ji, Regarding predetrmined melefic and benefic planet. In vedic astrology any planet which is the owner of a Trine and kendra is called the Most Functional Benefic Planet (MFBP). Any Planet whose MoolTrikona Rashi falls in Trikh Bhava and it does not own any Kendra or Trine is called the most Functional Melefic Planet(MFMB). The MFBP can be any melefic planet like Mars(which is considered Melefic in Vedic Astro), Saturn and MFMB can be Jupiter, Venus. The Sun , Moon are illuminaries does not fall in this category. Rahu and Ketu act like the planet in which they are posited. In Lal Kitaab Most Melefic planet is Rahu and Most Benefic is Jupiter, but in all What i feel is Every planet is Benefic and Melefic to individual. The punishment of sins performed by the native in the previous past, can be given by any planet as per planetary position in Teva. The Phal of Good karmas in present Janam is indeed be given by every planet as per karakansha of the planet Expert! Please correct me Nirmal Kumar ======= At 2004-10-31, 18:18:15 you wrote: ======= > > >Kesahv ji, >1. The results of the planet which is janam waqt ka grah are >predetermined and as such no remedy can change the basic nature >whereas the planet which is janam din ka grah is the planet which >brightens the destiny of the native. KISMAT KO JAGANE WALA, this can >be moulded by remedies. Regarding upayas in the natal chart we see the >basic tendency of the planet. if the basic tendency of a planet is bad >and it is of planet effect i.e. upaye rahit then there can be no upaya >which can change the basic nature from malefic to benevolent. but this >planet can be moulded in varshaphal progression by remedies assigned >with the houses in which it comes. >2.There is no principle as such which can be used as a reday reckoner >to see if the planets are benefic or malefic but there is no need for >cramming. The tassir is found by a different system this is called >tewe ki darusti. Questions are asked which are related with >significators of planets e.g. condition of mother grandfather, >progeny, in laws. from here we judge whether the planet is of nek >tasir or bad tasir. >3. yes there is no remedy for these planets(pakkaghar) as such but >they can be appeased so that they give desired results in varshphal. >4. It depends as in case of sun rahu combination if there is another >masnui sun that is mer-venus combination then the result of eclipse is >totally different and there is no need for remedy. in the case of >mangal as suggested by you remedy will be by combining the house >significators with the significators of Mars. after comfirming which >one needs a remedy. > >kulbir singh bains > > , " niks159 " <niks159> wrote: >> >> resp kulbir bains; >> offcourse we try to look for SHAKKI POSITION OF PLANETS >> to provide remedies but if a planet is exalted;debilitated ;own house >> [signification house-is it pakka ghar]then is there need for remedy >> or it is fixed in results. >> 2]janmadin ka grah and janma samaya ka grah -kya inkki remedy daali >> jaaye if thay are other wise malefic. >> 3]lalkitab grammer me koi na koi basic priciple hai jo planets ko >> benefic or melefic ki categori me rakhne me turant nirnay deta hoga ; >> otherwise cramming karne se to baat nahi banegi? >> 4]agar masnui grah ban gaye se mars bhi ban gaya -ek mangal nek hai >> ek mangal badh ban gaya to remdy ka niyam kya hai ;kya house wise >> remedy hogi ya planet wise? >> keshav > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Pawan ji harf ba harf sahi farmaya. lalkitab mein saf sabdhon mein likha hai ki agar do surya hon aur grahan ka yog ho to grahan sirf surye ki bahari chizen jaise jhothi shano shaukat par hoga. surya ke baki karakon jise umar aadi par koi grahan na hoga. waise mangal bad aur nek wali yeh baat mujhe aap se hi maloom hui iske liye shukarguzaar hun . iltija hai ki aage bhi is hi tarah rah roshan karte rahna. kulbir , " pavankhera " <pavankhera> wrote: > > Sh. Kulbeer ji, > Sabse pahle to aap meri badhai leyn jiski aap patrta rakhteyn hain. > Lal-kitab ke parti aapki shudh bhawna aur sewa se main Itna jaroor > kahunga ki Swarg se Pt. Roopchand ji ki Atma se jaroor ashirwad nikal > rahey hongey. Kyonki jis udeshay se unhone yeh kitab likhi Aaj usko > bilkul andekha kiya ja raha hey.Aap ki es niswarth sewa ke liye aapko > Sadhuvadh. > Ab jo swal hey ki ek hi patri main do Mangal ho ek nek aur ek bad > to jo Mashnoi grahon se bana grah sirf kuch vishesh baton par hi asar > karta hey na ki ghar par ya nazar dwara kisi aur ghar/Grah par asar > dalta hey. > Jaise ki Suraj+Shukar= Brahspati, > Ab es brahspati ko sirf Aulad ki pedaish ke talook main upyog main > laya jayega naki baki chizon ke liye eska asar dekhengey. > Chote se gyan se jo samjha vah aapse share kiya Baki gurujan kripa > karen. > with love > pkhera > , " Kulbir Singh Bains " > <ceetabains> wrote: > > > > Kesahv ji, > > 1. The results of the planet which is janam waqt ka grah are > > predetermined and as such no remedy can change the basic nature > > whereas the planet which is janam din ka grah is the planet which > > brightens the destiny of the native. KISMAT KO JAGANE WALA, this can > > be moulded by remedies. Regarding upayas in the natal chart we see > the > > basic tendency of the planet. if the basic tendency of a planet is > bad > > and it is of planet effect i.e. upaye rahit then there can be no > upaya > > which can change the basic nature from malefic to benevolent. but > this > > planet can be moulded in varshaphal progression by remedies assigned > > with the houses in which it comes. > > 2.There is no principle as such which can be used as a reday > reckoner > > to see if the planets are benefic or malefic but there is no need > for > > cramming. The tassir is found by a different system this is called > > tewe ki darusti. Questions are asked which are related with > > significators of planets e.g. condition of mother grandfather, > > progeny, in laws. from here we judge whether the planet is of nek > > tasir or bad tasir. > > 3. yes there is no remedy for these planets(pakkaghar) as such but > > they can be appeased so that they give desired results in varshphal. > > 4. It depends as in case of sun rahu combination if there is another > > masnui sun that is mer-venus combination then the result of eclipse > is > > totally different and there is no need for remedy. in the case of > > mangal as suggested by you remedy will be by combining the house > > significators with the significators of Mars. after comfirming which > > one needs a remedy. > > > > kulbir singh bains > > > > , " niks159 " <niks159> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Yes nirmal ji tha's correct and tha's the basis of krishnamurthy padhiti. even jupiter, moon, sun can play havoc in a horoscope. that's why the syatem of checking the tasir is so crucial. kulbir , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nk@g...> wrote: > Respected, Kulbir Singh Bains ji, > Regarding predetrmined melefic and benefic planet. > In vedic astrology any planet which is the owner of a Trine and kendra is called the Most Functional Benefic Planet (MFBP). Any Planet whose MoolTrikona Rashi falls in Trikh Bhava and it does not own any Kendra or Trine is called the most Functional Melefic Planet(MFMB). > The MFBP can be any melefic planet like Mars(which is considered Melefic in Vedic Astro), Saturn and MFMB can be Jupiter, Venus. The Sun , Moon are illuminaries does not fall in this category. Rahu and Ketu act like the planet in which they are posited. > In Lal Kitaab Most Melefic planet is Rahu and Most Benefic is Jupiter, but in all What i feel is Every planet is Benefic and Melefic to individual. The punishment of sins performed by the native in the previous past, can be given by any planet as per planetary position in Teva. The Phal of Good karmas in present Janam is indeed be given by every planet as per karakansha of the planet > > Expert! Please correct me > > Nirmal Kumar > > ======= At 2004-10-31, 18:18:15 you wrote: ======= > > > > > > >Kesahv ji, > >1. The results of the planet which is janam waqt ka grah are > >predetermined and as such no remedy can change the basic nature > >whereas the planet which is janam din ka grah is the planet which > >brightens the destiny of the native. KISMAT KO JAGANE WALA, this can > >be moulded by remedies. Regarding upayas in the natal chart we see the > >basic tendency of the planet. if the basic tendency of a planet is bad > >and it is of planet effect i.e. upaye rahit then there can be no upaya > >which can change the basic nature from malefic to benevolent. but this > >planet can be moulded in varshaphal progression by remedies assigned > >with the houses in which it comes. > >2.There is no principle as such which can be used as a reday reckoner > >to see if the planets are benefic or malefic but there is no need for > >cramming. The tassir is found by a different system this is called > >tewe ki darusti. Questions are asked which are related with > >significators of planets e.g. condition of mother grandfather, > >progeny, in laws. from here we judge whether the planet is of nek > >tasir or bad tasir. > >3. yes there is no remedy for these planets(pakkaghar) as such but > >they can be appeased so that they give desired results in varshphal. > >4. It depends as in case of sun rahu combination if there is another > >masnui sun that is mer-venus combination then the result of eclipse is > >totally different and there is no need for remedy. in the case of > >mangal as suggested by you remedy will be by combining the house > >significators with the significators of Mars. after comfirming which > >one needs a remedy. > > > >kulbir singh bains > > > > , " niks159 " <niks159> wrote: > >> > >> resp kulbir bains; > >> offcourse we try to look for SHAKKI POSITION OF PLANETS > >> to provide remedies but if a planet is exalted;debilitated ;own house > >> [signification house-is it pakka ghar]then is there need for remedy > >> or it is fixed in results. > >> 2]janmadin ka grah and janma samaya ka grah -kya inkki remedy daali > >> jaaye if thay are other wise malefic. > >> 3]lalkitab grammer me koi na koi basic priciple hai jo planets ko > >> benefic or melefic ki categori me rakhne me turant nirnay deta hoga ; > >> otherwise cramming karne se to baat nahi banegi? > >> 4]agar masnui grah ban gaye se mars bhi ban gaya -ek mangal nek hai > >> ek mangal badh ban gaya to remdy ka niyam kya hai ;kya house wise > >> remedy hogi ya planet wise? > >> keshav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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