Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Vasudhakar Goswami ji, 1. Regarding the prescribed orb in the Four Step, for one's own understanding the references are given as under: Sunil Gondhalekar: "Advance Theory of KP, Four Step Theory" 1.1. Page 21 "There has to be a limit or orb for this nearness to cusp. We take it that orb is 3 deg. 20 min. But depending on your actual experience you could increase the orb to 4 deg. to 5 deg. , especially for fast moving planets." 1.2. Page 27 "KP does not specify any orb for conjunction or aspect. (In all examples of KP books, only the Hindu / Indian aspects have been considered, not the western aspects.) But we will consider the conjunction and aspects with an orb of 3 deg. 20 min. However, we can increase this orb in the case of the Moon." 1.3. Page 49 "While considering the transit, I have classified and differentiated the planets as fast moving and slow moving planets. (This is stated also in KSK readers/ or articles.) -----------------------We have to check the Star Lord of the fast moving planets, and the Sub Lord of the slow moving planets, while checking the transit." 1.4. Msg#9257 of this KP Group dear raichur--------if we increase the orb then our karyesh will be more so i am sticking to 3.33 or 4.00 orb only.------S.K.Gondhalekar (Note: Sunil ji didn't agree the overall increase of orb to 5 deg. for all planets.) 1.5. Msg#14998 of this KP Group dear sujatkaram,--------orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if needed regarding rahu/ketu's aspect.i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on cusp then rep.that cusp but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also taken.nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct.separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp principles.-------------------------sunil gondhalekar 2. My general understanding is as given in the study note below. "Point 11. ------- The 3d:20m orb can be increased up to 4-5 degree especially for the fast moving planets (Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus) and the very fast moving Moon." 3. If Ra/Ke is in the constellation of a planet, the starlord of Ra/Ke should be considered as a significator in the 2nd or 4th step as explained in the study note below: "Point 7. An emphasis is given to take into consideration of the house occupied and the houses owned by the star-lord of Rahu/Ketu when it is the star-lord of another planet, ie. Rahu/Ketu in the step 2 or 4. Its star-lord gives stronger results than its signlord. The primary significators of the conjoined and aspecting planets are also to be added as relevant. The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets or star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be given first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results." Regards, tw , vasudhakar goswami <vasudhakargoswami wrote:>> learned members,> in 4 step theory astrologers have been mentioning 3.33> as the orbit of aspect-conj. it is 3.20 equallant to> one charan of 13.20.where from 3.33 has come. suneelji> has written 3.20 only in his book.he however tells> that thi orbit of 3.20 can be extrended to 5 in casa> of slow moving planets..tinwinji or raichoor ji may> like to clarify the position.please also clarify--if > rahu and ketu are in the constellation of a> planet,shall we take their constellation as a> significator at 2 and4 steps (in,adition to house> occupied by them and the lords of the sign occupied> and empty houses owned by that lord.may pl guide.on> both issues-goswami> > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos./groups> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Mr.Tin Win,Conjunction and aspect is in between two planets and in between a planet and a cusp. If planet A conjoins Planet B, and planet B also conjoins planet A. This what I understand seemed to be incorrect. Kindly clarify me which planet conjoins which planet. Is it the planetary position in Rasi or cuspal chart in clockwise direction.Similarly 7th aspect between planets A and B, which planet aspects which planet. Here also I have confusion that both the planets aspect each other. Kindly clarify me.KP Naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Dear Vasudhakar Goswami ji, I've gone through all charts in the Four Step book one more time and no Asp or Conj beyond the prescribed orb 3 deg. 20 min. has been found taken into consideration, eg.: 1) ) In Chart 9, page 29, Su Conj 7 within 3deg:59min:56sec orb and Su Asp 1 within 3deg:59min:56sec orb are not taken into consideration. 2) In Chart 10, page 33, Ma conj 2 within 4deg:20min:47sec orb, Ju Conj 4 within 4:22:32 orb, Ve Conj 3 within 4:14:55 orb, and Ju Asp 10 within 4:22:32 orb are not taken into consideration. (Ju Asp 8,12 within the prescribed orb is considered.) 3) In Chart 13, page 50, Ra Conj 5 within 3:42:17 orb is not taken into consideration. 4) In Chart 15, page 62, Mo Conj 11 within 3:39:11 orb and Ke Conj Ju within 4:10:46 orb are not taken into consideration. 5) In Chart 21, page 90, Mo Conj 2 within 3:51:40 orb is not taken into consideration. Regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > > Dear Vasudhakar Goswami ji, > > 1. Regarding the prescribed orb in the Four Step, for one's own > understanding the references are given as under: > > Sunil Gondhalekar: " Advance Theory of KP, Four Step Theory " > > 1.1. Page 21 > > " There has to be a limit or orb for this nearness to cusp. We take it > that orb is 3 deg. 20 min. But depending on your actual experience you > could increase the orb to 4 deg. to 5 deg. , especially for fast moving > planets. " > > 1.2. Page 27 > > " KP does not specify any orb for conjunction or aspect. (In all examples > of KP books, only the Hindu / Indian aspects have been considered, not > the western aspects.) But we will consider the conjunction and aspects > with an orb of 3 deg. 20 min. However, we can increase this orb in the > case of the Moon. " > > 1.3. Page 49 > > " While considering the transit, I have classified and differentiated the > planets as fast moving and slow moving planets. (This is stated also in > KSK readers/ or articles.) ----------------------- > We have to check the Star Lord of the fast moving planets, and the Sub > Lord of the slow moving planets, while checking the transit. " > > 1.4. Msg#9257 of this KP Group > > dear raichur > -------- > if we increase the orb then our karyesh will be more so i am sticking to > 3.33 or 4.00 orb only. > ------ > S.K.Gondhalekar > > (Note: Sunil ji didn't agree the overall increase of orb to 5 deg. > for all planets.) > > 1.5. Msg#14998 of this KP Group > > dear sujatkaram, > -------- > orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if > needed regarding rahu/ketu's aspect. > i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on > cusp then rep.that cusp but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect > on cusp is also taken. > nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct. > separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp > principles. > ------------------------ > -sunil gondhalekar > > 2. My general understanding is as given in the study note below. > > " Point 11. ------- The 3d:20m orb can be increased up to 4-5 degree > especially for the fast moving planets (Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus) > and the very fast moving Moon. " > > 3. If Ra/Ke is in the constellation of a planet, the starlord of Ra/Ke > should be considered as a significator in the 2nd or 4th step as > explained in the study note below: > > " Point 7. An emphasis is given to take into consideration of the house > occupied and the houses owned by the star-lord of Rahu/Ketu when it is > the star-lord of another planet, ie. Rahu/Ketu in the step 2 or 4. Its > star-lord gives stronger results than its signlord. The primary > significators of the conjoined and aspecting planets are also to be > added as relevant. The results of the conjoined or aspecting planets or > star-lord (when Rahu/Ketu is a primary significator) should be given > first priority, then the sign-lord can not give its results. " > > Regards, > > tw > > , vasudhakar goswami > <vasudhakargoswami@> wrote: > > > > learned members, > > in 4 step theory astrologers have been mentioning 3.33 > > as the orbit of aspect-conj. it is 3.20 equallant to > > one charan of 13.20.where from 3.33 has come. suneelji > > has written 3.20 only in his book.he however tells > > that thi orbit of 3.20 can be extrended to 5 in casa > > of slow moving planets..tinwinji or raichoor ji may > > like to clarify the position.please also clarify--if > > rahu and ketu are in the constellation of a > > planet,shall we take their constellation as a > > significator at 2 and4 steps (in,adition to house > > occupied by them and the lords of the sign occupied > > and empty houses owned by that lord.may pl guide.on > > both issues-goswami > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to > http://in.promos./groups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Dear Mr. K.P. Naidu ji, 1. Your understanding, " If planet A conjoins Planet B, and planet B also conjoins planet A. " is the same as mine. 2. Hindu conjunction is counted by mainly by sign, as Dr. Kar has said about a condition of his Punarphoo cancellation " Saturn or Moon or both if found in association with Sun in one sign, may be sign devided into two bhavas " . 3. It's a general understanding that the closer an aspect or conjunction is, the stronger the result will be. In this regard, Sunil ji's Four Step Theory has prescribed basically 3 deg. 20 min. orb. 4. As we're aware, Hindu aspects are counted from sign to sign in clockwiswise direction in the South Indian style chart and in anti- clockwiswise direction in the East Indian style chart. Regarding the aspect of Saturn in Gem 28:51:57 on Moon in Vir 03:06:45, at first I thought it was Saturn's 10th aspect by confusion in these opposite directions of these two chart styles. But it's said later Saturn's 3rd aspect and I've asked how is that. 5. Regarding 7th aspect between planets A and B, my understanding is the same of yours that both the planets aspect each other, so-called mutual aspect. Regards, tw , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > > Dear Mr.Tin Win, > > Conjunction and aspect is in between two planets and in between a planet and a cusp. If planet A conjoins Planet B, and planet B also conjoins planet A. This what I understand seemed to be incorrect. Kindly clarify me which planet conjoins which planet. Is it the planetary position in Rasi or cuspal chart in clockwise direction. > Similarly 7th aspect between planets A and B, which planet aspects which planet. Here also I have confusion that both the planets aspect each other. Kindly clarify me. > > KP Naidu > > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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