Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear Sir,i feel instead of discrding the exaltation and deblitation which does not work i practice as told in vedic astrology for many number people it is better to to take the sign say thesign value air sign water fixed etc instead the value of planets value 3 planets exaltation abverage life and 2 planets deblitation very rich life can be seen in practice we can take the value ofthe house the star or sub lords located moving dual fixed fire earth water etc planets is stationery for a longer period eg. saturn in leo for more than 2.5 yrs and several million born during that period can we fix all born during this period to the same value in life it is very difficult to erase from mind the thinking of yogas and exaltation and deblitation each family members can be taken andanalyse so many yogas in mosty horoascopes the fast moving moon coming in an angleto jupiter very frequently forming gajakesari yoga etc ... there are very very few percentage of people live in high position and more than 80 percent live in poor conditions if yogas to fruitify to all all should be very well in life even for a beggar many yogas may be there are our servant maids and also a beggar may hav e beautiful fate line extending from below the palm upto sun mount he is begging there is no convincing answer for these contradictions we are cell phone and net age let us not think of bullock cart what gives results and works well let us try to ahieve things from that however the foundation and basics like alphabits is vedic traditional astrology thank y sir with my regards for yr wounderful apt crisp knowledgeable thought proviking creative messages however very few writings from y expecting more and more from y sir THANK Y THANK Y SAIRAMAN 8 08 AM 28 12 07Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Mr.Naidu, Traditional astrology, as is presently advocated and followed by a number of "schools of astrology",has been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., which is based on traditional astrology,and is the "new improved and more accurate system of astrology..." My comment referred-to, by you,was given in this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to begin learning K.P. System...all anew... Traditional system still continues promote"yogas",exaltation, debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales etc., making traditional astrology a "bhel" of unproven/untested yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P.... I hope you now understand my comments in the right context... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,Your entire message is good except the last sentence "study K.P, forget traditional astrology". There are umpteen number of systems, methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in person.Good Luck.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear Sairam, Could you give some example/s,to illustrate what you advocate...it will be preferable to pontificating...on K.P., and/or astrology... Not all are born to be fortunate in life...and K.P., has specific methods to ascertain the extent of one's destiny at birth,due to his past accumulative Karma...or the degree of one's prosperity or wealth in this life... Also,K.P., has described a method to guage fairly accurately how was one's past life,and also one's future life ...as described in K.P. & Astrosecrets by Mr.K.Subramaniam & the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham...I hope you will take the trouble to study K.P. deeply and thoroughly,before pontificating on it... Thanking you in anticipation, L.Y.Rao.sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote: Dear Sir,i feel instead of discrding the exaltation and deblitation which does not work i practice as told in vedic astrology for many number people it is better to to take the sign say thesign value air sign water fixed etc instead the value of planets value 3 planets exaltation abverage life and 2 planets deblitation very rich life can be seen in practice we can take the value ofthe house the star or sub lords located moving dual fixed fire earth water etc planets is stationery for a longer period eg. saturn in leo for more than 2.5 yrs and several million born during that period can we fix all born during this period to the same value in life it is very difficult to erase from mind the thinking of yogas and exaltation and deblitation each family members can be taken andanalyse so many yogas in mosty horoascopes the fast moving moon coming in an angleto jupiter very frequently forming gajakesari yoga etc ... there are very very few percentage of people live in high position and more than 80 percent live in poor conditions if yogas to fruitify to all all should be very well in life even for a beggar many yogas may be there are our servant maids and also a beggar may hav e beautiful fate line extending from below the palm upto sun mount he is begging there is no convincing answer for these contradictions we are cell phone and net age let us not think of bullock cart what gives results and works well let us try to ahieve things from that however the foundation and basics like alphabits is vedic traditional astrology thank y sir with my regards for yr wounderful apt crisp knowledgeable thought proviking creative messages however very few writings from y expecting more and more from y sir THANK Y THANK Y SAIRAMAN 8 08 AM 28 12 07Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Naidu, Traditional astrology, as is presently advocated and followed by a number of "schools of astrology",has been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., which is based on traditional astrology,and is the "new improved and more accurate system of astrology..." My comment referred-to, by you,was given in this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to begin learning K.P. System...all anew... Traditional system still continues promote"yogas",exaltation, debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales etc., making traditional astrology a "bhel" of unproven/untested yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P.... I hope you now understand my comments in the right context... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,Your entire message is good except the last sentence "study K.P, forget traditional astrology". There are umpteen number of systems, methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in person.Good Luck.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear Sairamanji, // This means when a horoscope is powerful as per KP & also as per Prasari ie exaltation etc of planets, then only it confers great results.// (Message 15801 by Shri Sehgal ji) This view has been mentioned by me in message No.Message 15723 as under- // Do Yogas fructify ? Yes or No. They do. But one should know how to see them. If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart, as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only it would fructify, otherwise not. // Shri Chittaranjan Ghoshji and Shri Ashok Sehgalji have confirmed this by personal experience, and so do I. The Yogas as mentuoned by the Rishis are not baseless, and neither are their shlokas, but they would never allow a common man to understand these shlokas who would have access to these, as foreseen by these Great Rishis of Yore. therefore they never mentioned in plain words how these Yogas would manifest in whose Horoscopes and whose not. These Yogas are certainly there but would fructify only, when they are present , not only in the Natal Chart, but also in the KP Placidus Chart. As soon as the planets change position in the Bhava Chalit, or in the Placidus Cuspal Chart, they would cease to manifest. Let us not be rigid but progressive in our study and research , as our Master Shri KrishnaMurthyji would have wanted us to be, had he been here in person. You cannot expect a Man of 60 Years normal age ,to study and research each and every aspect of this great Ocean of Indian astrology, with its boundless dimensions and give his verdict on same. It is left to us students of Our Great master to continue the research with an unbiased view and broadmindedness as mentioned by our Beloved Moderator/Owner of this Forum Shri Pandeyji too. Well I have now said what i wished to. Its left to the rest of the members to search for these Yogas in their Clients Horoscopes and see whether they also remain in the KP Chart, and actually manifest in the natives Life. But be careful, they would only manifest when the Planets constituting these yogas appear as Dasha Lords, otherwise not. best wishes, Bhaskar. , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > i feel instead of discrding the exaltation and deblitation which does not work i practice as told in vedic astrology for many number people it is better to to take the sign say thesign value air sign water fixed etc instead the value of planets value 3 planets exaltation abverage life and 2 planets deblitation very rich life can be seen in practice > > we can take the value ofthe house the star or sub lords located moving dual fixed fire earth water etc > > planets is stationery for a longer period eg. saturn in leo for more than 2.5 yrs and several million born during that period can we fix all born during this period to the same value in life > > it is very difficult to erase from mind the thinking of yogas and exaltation and deblitation > > each family members can be taken andanalyse so many yogas in mosty horoascopes the fast moving moon coming in an angleto jupiter very frequently forming gajakesari yoga etc ... there are very very few percentage of people live in high position and more than 80 percent live in poor conditions if yogas to fruitify to all all should be very well in life even for a beggar many yogas may be there are our servant maids and also a beggar may hav e beautiful fate line extending from below the palm upto sun mount he is begging there is no convincing answer for these contradictions > > we are cell phone and net age let us not think of bullock cart what gives results and works well let us try to ahieve things from that however the foundation and basics like alphabits is vedic traditional astrology > > thank y sir with my regards for yr wounderful apt crisp knowledgeable thought proviking creative messages however very few writings from y expecting more and more from y sir > > > THANK Y THANK Y > > > SAIRAMAN 8 08 AM 28 12 07 > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > Dear Mr.Naidu, > Traditional astrology, as is presently advocated and followed by a number of " schools of astrology " ,has been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., which is based on traditional astrology,and is the " new improved and more accurate system of astrology... " > My comment referred-to, by you,was given in this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to begin learning K.P. System...all anew... > Traditional system still continues promote " yogas " ,exaltation, > debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales etc., making traditional astrology a " bhel " of unproven/untested yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P.... > I hope you now understand my comments in the right context... > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > > " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > Dear Mr.LY Rao garu, > > Your entire message is good except the last sentence " study K.P, forget traditional astrology " . There are umpteen number of systems, methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. > Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in person. > > Good Luck. > > KP Naidu > > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear Mr.Sairaman, We are ot competent to cretisize the yogas, exaltation or debilitations etc etc of traditional astrology, asI mentioned earlier in my msg., that we know is speck in the ocean of knowledge. Unknown science of astrology is a lot. Great people like Guruji Krishnamurthy by Reasearch and with Daivangraha, developed stellar astrology a successful predictive system. Further developments like cuspal intrlinks, 4 step theory etc., are made by some KP followers. Thus we should not with the existing knowledge. Research should be a continuous feature so as to improve our knowledge. Shortcomings or limitations as you mentioned, can be solved only by continuous research. With our limited knowledge we should not cretisize because the traditional astrology was given to us by great rishis like Parashara, Jaimini, Varahamihira,etc. Open mind and rationale approach are essential. Happy New year. KP naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I also fully agree with such taughts as we needs to do a lot in our predictive astrlogy as KP systems has done. Regards, Mr Ghosh. K. P. Naidu <konathalan Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:35:40 PMRe: Do Yogas fructify 2812 2007 Dear Mr.Sairaman, We are ot competent to cretisize the yogas, exaltation or debilitations etc etc of traditional astrology, asI mentioned earlier in my msg., that we know is speck in the ocean of knowledge. Unknown science of astrology is a lot. Great people like Guruji Krishnamurthy by Reasearch and with Daivangraha, developed stellar astrology a successful predictive system. Further developments like cuspal intrlinks, 4 step theory etc., are made by some KP followers. Thus we should not with the existing knowledge. Research should be a continuous feature so as to improve our knowledge. Shortcomings or limitations as you mentioned, can be solved only by continuous research. With our limited knowledge we should not cretisize because the traditional astrology was given to us by great rishis like Parashara, Jaimini, Varahamihira, etc. Open mind and rationale approach are essential. Happy New year. KP naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Sir, This is a very valid analysis. I wish to add -- KP system is based on Hindu traditional system blended with principles of western astrology . Yogas in traditinal system - are the fomulae of aspects, exaltations, etc., of planets , bhavas, rasis etc., Rasi tatwa, graha tatwa and bhava tatwa are the basis for any system - The interpretation, may differ in systems - perhaps to meet the soio-econmic chages of the society. Hence the basic principles cannot be ignored. sambasiva rao "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Dear Mr.Sairaman, We are ot competent to cretisize the yogas, exaltation or debilitations etc etc of traditional astrology, asI mentioned earlier in my msg., that we know is speck in the ocean of knowledge. Unknown science of astrology is a lot. Great people like Guruji Krishnamurthy by Reasearch and with Daivangraha, developed stellar astrology a successful predictive system. Further developments like cuspal intrlinks, 4 step theory etc., are made by some KP followers. Thus we should not with the existing knowledge. Research should be a continuous feature so as to improve our knowledge. Shortcomings or limitations as you mentioned, can be solved only by continuous research. With our limited knowledge we should not cretisize because the traditional astrology was given to us by great rishis like Parashara, Jaimini, Varahamihira,etc. Open mind and rationale approach are essential. Happy New year. KP naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 sir, Let me add- Fructification of yogas depend on many factors like- 1.formation of bad yogas which nullify the good yogas in birth chart or in the gochara. 2. Timing of planets forming the yoga 3. Shadbala strength of the planets giving yoga. 4. Over all strength of the birth chart etc., Like this timing of fructification / timing of fructification, extentent of fructification need a deep analysis. To make it easy we may adopt KP system where in the sub-lord, sub-sub lord, star lords theories show a way for predictive results and their timings- Gochara also to be included in timing of events in KP system also. In short , study of chart with the help of YOGAS need special attention and is a separate chapter - This cannot be ignored in traditional system for effective predictions. Comparision of different systems need certain rules - every settled system has its own merits and demerits - as per the nature of birth chart and place of birth we may take the help of a system. For example for births in higher latitudes - kp system may not work because the bhava division may not be correct. like this much can be said. Sambasiva rao "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Dear Mr.Sairaman, We are ot competent to cretisize the yogas, exaltation or debilitations etc etc of traditional astrology, asI mentioned earlier in my msg., that we know is speck in the ocean of knowledge. Unknown science of astrology is a lot. Great people like Guruji Krishnamurthy by Reasearch and with Daivangraha, developed stellar astrology a successful predictive system. Further developments like cuspal intrlinks, 4 step theory etc., are made by some KP followers. Thus we should not with the existing knowledge. Research should be a continuous feature so as to improve our knowledge. Shortcomings or limitations as you mentioned, can be solved only by continuous research. With our limited knowledge we should not cretisize because the traditional astrology was given to us by great rishis like Parashara, Jaimini, Varahamihira,etc. Open mind and rationale approach are essential. Happy New year. KP naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Sir, May I add- Comparision of systems have a basis - but this should not result in mixing of system in predictions. This is only a caution - not a criticismSambasiva raoBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Sairamanji,// This means when a horoscope is powerful as per KP & also as per Prasari ie exaltation etc of planets, then only it confers great results.// (Message 15801 by Shri Sehgal ji)This view has been mentioned by me in message No.Message 15723 as under-// Do Yogas fructify ? Yes or No.They do.But one should know how to see them.If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart,as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only itwould fructify, otherwise not. //Shri Chittaranjan Ghoshji and Shri Ashok Sehgalji have confirmed this by personal experience, and so do I.The Yogas as mentuoned by the Rishis are not baseless,and neither are their shlokas, but they wouldnever allow a common man to understand these shlokaswho would have access to these, as foreseen by these Great Rishis of Yore. therefore they never mentioned in plain words how these Yogas would manifest inwhose Horoscopes and whose not.These Yogas are certainly there but would fructify only,when they are present , not onlyin the Natal Chart, but also in the KP Placidus Chart.As soon as the planets change position in the Bhava Chalit, or in the Placidus Cuspal Chart,they would cease to manifest.Let us not be rigid but progressive in our study and research , as our Master Shri KrishnaMurthyji would have wanted us to be, had he been here in person.You cannot expect a Man of 60 Years normal age ,tostudy and research each and every aspect of this great Ocean of Indian astrology, with its boundlessdimensions and give his verdict on same.It is left to us students of Our Great master to continue the research with an unbiased view and broadmindedness as mentioned by our Beloved Moderator/Owner of this Forum Shri Pandeyji too.Well I have now said what i wished to.Its left to the rest of the members to search for theseYogas in their Clients Horoscopes and see whether theyalso remain in the KP Chart,and actually manifest in the natives Life.But be careful, they would only manifest when thePlanets constituting these yogas appear as Dasha Lords, otherwise not.best wishes,Bhaskar. , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > i feel instead of discrding the exaltation and deblitation which does not work i practice as told in vedic astrology for many number people it is better to to take the sign say thesign value air sign water fixed etc instead the value of planets value 3 planets exaltation abverage life and 2 planets deblitation very rich life can be seen in practice > > we can take the value ofthe house the star or sub lords located moving dual fixed fire earth water etc > > planets is stationery for a longer period eg. saturn in leo for more than 2.5 yrs and several million born during that period can we fix all born during this period to the same value in life > > it is very difficult to erase from mind the thinking of yogas and exaltation and deblitation > > each family members can be taken andanalyse so many yogas in mosty horoascopes the fast moving moon coming in an angleto jupiter very frequently forming gajakesari yoga etc ... there are very very few percentage of people live in high position and more than 80 percent live in poor conditions if yogas to fruitify to all all should be very well in life even for a beggar many yogas may be there are our servant maids and also a beggar may hav e beautiful fate line extending from below the palm upto sun mount he is begging there is no convincing answer for these contradictions > > we are cell phone and net age let us not think of bullock cart what gives results and works well let us try to ahieve things from that however the foundation and basics like alphabits is vedic traditional astrology > > thank y sir with my regards for yr wounderful apt crisp knowledgeable thought proviking creative messages however very few writings from y expecting more and more from y sir > > > THANK Y THANK Y > > > SAIRAMAN 8 08 AM 28 12 07> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > Dear Mr.Naidu,> Traditional astrology, as is presently advocated and followed by a number of "schools of astrology",has been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., which is based on traditional astrology,and is the "new improved and more accurate system of astrology..."> My comment referred-to, by you,was given in this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to begin learning K.P. System...all anew...> Traditional system still continues promote"yogas",exaltation,> debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales etc., making traditional astrology a "bhel" of unproven/untested yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P....> I hope you now understand my comments in the right context...> With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> > "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote:> Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,> > Your entire message is good except the last sentence "study K.P, forget traditional astrology". There are umpteen number of systems, methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. > Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in person.> > Good Luck.> > KP Naidu> > > K. P. Naidu,> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta,> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Dear Shri Sambasivaji, I understand what you are saying and fully agree to your views. But here the mix is already there,in form of Vimsottari Dasha, names of Nakshatras, Significations of what each house stands for (In KP - Cusps), Nakshatra Lords, Badhaka, Retrogression ( In KP used in Horary), Western House division (In KP - Placidus) etcetra. We are not here to mix further, but to polish the predictions derived in KP. ( The 4 step theory is also a attempt to polish the results of KP, by looking at the weight of each Planet by searching whether its owned Cusps are Vacant or not, by searching whether there are any planets in particular planets Nakshatras etcetra)or in Cuspal interlinks which is moving to further minuter sub divisions as in SSL or SSSL ) So here also we are attempting to do similiar polishing but within demarcated Lines, and not moving away from the approaches of KP, or the approach through which KP emerged (Traditional).The basic way of predictive KP Modules should not be touched, is what my aim is, and the rest of attempts may be observed as ancillary or capillaries to the Main Predictive Module of KP. best wishes, Bhaskar. , rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: > > Sir, > May I add- > Comparision of systems have a basis - but this should not result in mixing of system in predictions. This is only a caution - not a criticism > Sambasiva rao > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Sairamanji, > > // This means when a horoscope is powerful as per KP & also as per > Prasari ie exaltation etc of planets, then only it confers great > results.// (Message 15801 by Shri Sehgal ji) > > This view has been mentioned by me in message No.Message > 15723 as under- > > // Do Yogas fructify ? Yes or No. > They do. > But one should know how to see them. > If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart, > as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only it > would fructify, otherwise not. // > > Shri Chittaranjan Ghoshji and Shri Ashok Sehgalji have > confirmed this by personal experience, and so do I. > > The Yogas as mentuoned by the Rishis are not baseless, > and neither are their shlokas, but they would > never allow a common man to understand these shlokas > who would have access to these, as foreseen by these > Great Rishis of Yore. therefore they never mentioned > in plain words how these Yogas would manifest in > whose Horoscopes and whose not. > > These Yogas are certainly there but would fructify only, > when they are present , not only > in the Natal Chart, but also in the KP Placidus Chart. > As soon as the planets change position in the Bhava > Chalit, or in the Placidus Cuspal Chart, > they would cease to manifest. > > Let us not be rigid but progressive in our study and > research , as our Master Shri KrishnaMurthyji would > have wanted us to be, had he been here in person. > You cannot expect a Man of 60 Years normal age ,to > study and research each and every aspect of this > great Ocean of Indian astrology, with its boundless > dimensions and give his verdict on same. > > It is left to us students of Our Great master to > continue the research with an unbiased view and > broadmindedness as mentioned by our Beloved > Moderator/Owner of this Forum Shri Pandeyji too. > > Well I have now said what i wished to. > Its left to the rest of the members to search for these > Yogas in their Clients Horoscopes and see whether they > also remain in the KP Chart, > and actually manifest in the natives Life. > But be careful, they would only manifest when the > Planets constituting these yogas appear as > Dasha Lords, otherwise not. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > , sairam nat <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > i feel instead of discrding the exaltation and deblitation which > does not work i practice as told in vedic astrology for many number > people it is better to to take the sign say thesign value air sign > water fixed etc instead the value of planets value 3 planets > exaltation abverage life and 2 planets deblitation very rich life > can be seen in practice > > > > we can take the value ofthe house the star or sub lords located > moving dual fixed fire earth water etc > > > > planets is stationery for a longer period eg. saturn in leo for > more than 2.5 yrs and several million born during that period can we > fix all born during this period to the same value in life > > > > it is very difficult to erase from mind the thinking of yogas and > exaltation and deblitation > > > > each family members can be taken andanalyse so many yogas in mosty > horoascopes the fast moving moon coming in an angleto jupiter very > frequently forming gajakesari yoga etc ... there are very very few > percentage of people live in high position and more than 80 percent > live in poor conditions if yogas to fruitify to all all should be > very well in life even for a beggar many yogas may be there are our > servant maids and also a beggar may hav e beautiful fate line > extending from below the palm upto sun mount he is begging there is > no convincing answer for these contradictions > > > > we are cell phone and net age let us not think of bullock cart > what gives results and works well let us try to ahieve things from > that however the foundation and basics like alphabits is vedic > traditional astrology > > > > thank y sir with my regards for yr wounderful apt crisp > knowledgeable thought proviking creative messages however very few > writings from y expecting more and more from y sir > > > > > > THANK Y THANK Y > > > > > > SAIRAMAN 8 08 AM 28 12 07 > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Naidu, > > Traditional astrology, as is presently > advocated and followed by a number of " schools of astrology " ,has > been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction- wise,as > compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., > which is based on traditional astrology,and is the " new improved and > more accurate system of astrology... " > > My comment referred-to, by you,was given in > this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the > B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so > disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met > Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted > then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to > begin learning K.P. System...all anew... > > Traditional system still continues > promote " yogas " ,exaltation, > > debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales > etc., making traditional astrology a " bhel " of unproven/untested > yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No > body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable > presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of > the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it > teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning > K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P.... > > I hope you now understand my comments in > the right context... > > With best wishes, > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan@> wrote: > > Dear Mr.LY Rao garu, > > > > Your entire message is good except the last sentence " study K.P, > forget traditional astrology " . There are umpteen number of systems, > methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say > that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are > incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and > so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a > speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel > he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in > astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. > > Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in > person. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > KP Naidu > > > > > > K. P. Naidu, > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > > Nowroji Road, > > Maharanipeta, > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without > download. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, At the risk of repitition,K.P., does not recognise any Yogas,be they Raja Yogas or Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas etc... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao.Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Shri Sambasivaji,I understand what you are saying andfully agree to your views. But here the mix isalready there,in form of Vimsottari Dasha, namesof Nakshatras, Significations of what each housestands for (In KP - Cusps), Nakshatra Lords, Badhaka,Retrogression ( In KP used in Horary), WesternHouse division (In KP - Placidus) etcetra.We are not here to mix further, but to polish thepredictions derived in KP.( The 4 step theory is also a attempt to polish the results of KP, by looking at theweight of each Planet by searching whether its owned Cusps are Vacant or not, by searching whetherthere are any planets in particular planets Nakshatras etcetra)or in Cuspal interlinks which is moving to further minuter sub divisions as in SSL or SSSL ) So here also we are attempting to do similiar polishingbut within demarcated Lines, and not moving away fromthe approaches of KP, or the approachthrough which KP emerged (Traditional).The basicway of predictive KP Modules should not be touched,is what my aim is, and the rest of attempts may be observed as ancillary or capillaries to the Main Predictive Module of KP.best wishes,Bhaskar. , rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:>> Sir,> May I add-> Comparision of systems have a basis - but this should not result in mixing of system in predictions. This is only a caution - not a criticism> Sambasiva rao> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> Dear Sairamanji,> > // This means when a horoscope is powerful as per KP & also as per > Prasari ie exaltation etc of planets, then only it confers great > results.// (Message 15801 by Shri Sehgal ji)> > This view has been mentioned by me in message No.Message > 15723 as under-> > // Do Yogas fructify ? Yes or No.> They do.> But one should know how to see them.> If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart,> as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only it> would fructify, otherwise not. //> > Shri Chittaranjan Ghoshji and Shri Ashok Sehgalji have > confirmed this by personal experience, and so do I.> > The Yogas as mentuoned by the Rishis are not baseless,> and neither are their shlokas, but they would> never allow a common man to understand these shlokas> who would have access to these, as foreseen by these > Great Rishis of Yore. therefore they never mentioned > in plain words how these Yogas would manifest in> whose Horoscopes and whose not.> > These Yogas are certainly there but would fructify only,> when they are present , not only> in the Natal Chart, but also in the KP Placidus Chart.> As soon as the planets change position in the Bhava > Chalit, or in the Placidus Cuspal Chart,> they would cease to manifest.> > Let us not be rigid but progressive in our study and > research , as our Master Shri KrishnaMurthyji would > have wanted us to be, had he been here in person.> You cannot expect a Man of 60 Years normal age ,to> study and research each and every aspect of this > great Ocean of Indian astrology, with its boundless> dimensions and give his verdict on same.> > It is left to us students of Our Great master to > continue the research with an unbiased view and > broadmindedness as mentioned by our Beloved > Moderator/Owner of this Forum Shri Pandeyji too.> > Well I have now said what i wished to.> Its left to the rest of the members to search for these> Yogas in their Clients Horoscopes and see whether they> also remain in the KP Chart,> and actually manifest in the natives Life.> But be careful, they would only manifest when the> Planets constituting these yogas appear as > Dasha Lords, otherwise not.> > best wishes,> Bhaskar. > > , sairam nat <sairaman53@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > > > i feel instead of discrding the exaltation and deblitation which > does not work i practice as told in vedic astrology for many number > people it is better to to take the sign say thesign value air sign > water fixed etc instead the value of planets value 3 planets > exaltation abverage life and 2 planets deblitation very rich life > can be seen in practice > > > > we can take the value ofthe house the star or sub lords located > moving dual fixed fire earth water etc > > > > planets is stationery for a longer period eg. saturn in leo for > more than 2.5 yrs and several million born during that period can we > fix all born during this period to the same value in life > > > > it is very difficult to erase from mind the thinking of yogas and > exaltation and deblitation > > > > each family members can be taken andanalyse so many yogas in mosty > horoascopes the fast moving moon coming in an angleto jupiter very > frequently forming gajakesari yoga etc ... there are very very few > percentage of people live in high position and more than 80 percent > live in poor conditions if yogas to fruitify to all all should be > very well in life even for a beggar many yogas may be there are our > servant maids and also a beggar may hav e beautiful fate line > extending from below the palm upto sun mount he is begging there is > no convincing answer for these contradictions > > > > we are cell phone and net age let us not think of bullock cart > what gives results and works well let us try to ahieve things from > that however the foundation and basics like alphabits is vedic > traditional astrology > > > > thank y sir with my regards for yr wounderful apt crisp > knowledgeable thought proviking creative messages however very few > writings from y expecting more and more from y sir > > > > > > THANK Y THANK Y > > > > > > SAIRAMAN 8 08 AM 28 12 07> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Naidu,> > Traditional astrology, as is presently > advocated and followed by a number of "schools of astrology",has > been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as > compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., > which is based on traditional astrology,and is the "new improved and > more accurate system of astrology..."> > My comment referred-to, by you,was given in > this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the > B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so > disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met > Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted > then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to > begin learning K.P. System...all anew...> > Traditional system still continues > promote"yogas",exaltation,> > debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales > etc., making traditional astrology a "bhel" of unproven/untested > yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No > body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable > presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of > the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it > teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning > K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P....> > I hope you now understand my comments in > the right context...> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@> wrote:> > Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,> > > > Your entire message is good except the last sentence "study K.P, > forget traditional astrology". There are umpteen number of systems, > methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say > that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are > incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and > so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a > speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel > he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in > astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. > > Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in > person.> > > > Good Luck.> > > > KP Naidu> > > > > > K. P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without > download. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Sir, I totally agree with you. By "mix" I mean to avoid any likely errors - but not otherwise. Pl.let me offer this clarification. Sambasiva rao. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Shri Sambasivaji,I understand what you are saying andfully agree to your views. But here the mix isalready there,in form of Vimsottari Dasha, namesof Nakshatras, Significations of what each housestands for (In KP - Cusps), Nakshatra Lords, Badhaka,Retrogression ( In KP used in Horary), WesternHouse division (In KP - Placidus) etcetra.We are not here to mix further, but to polish thepredictions derived in KP.( The 4 step theory is also a attempt to polish the results of KP, by looking at theweight of each Planet by searching whether its owned Cusps are Vacant or not, by searching whetherthere are any planets in particular planets Nakshatras etcetra)or in Cuspal interlinks which is moving to further minuter sub divisions as in SSL or SSSL ) So here also we are attempting to do similiar polishingbut within demarcated Lines, and not moving away fromthe approaches of KP, or the approachthrough which KP emerged (Traditional).The basicway of predictive KP Modules should not be touched,is what my aim is, and the rest of attempts may be observed as ancillary or capillaries to the Main Predictive Module of KP.best wishes,Bhaskar. , rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:>> Sir,> May I add-> Comparision of systems have a basis - but this should not result in mixing of system in predictions. This is only a caution - not a criticism> Sambasiva rao> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> Dear Sairamanji,> > // This means when a horoscope is powerful as per KP & also as per > Prasari ie exaltation etc of planets, then only it confers great > results.// (Message 15801 by Shri Sehgal ji)> > This view has been mentioned by me in message No.Message > 15723 as under-> > // Do Yogas fructify ? Yes or No.> They do.> But one should know how to see them.> If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart,> as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only it> would fructify, otherwise not. //> > Shri Chittaranjan Ghoshji and Shri Ashok Sehgalji have > confirmed this by personal experience, and so do I.> > The Yogas as mentuoned by the Rishis are not baseless,> and neither are their shlokas, but they would> never allow a common man to understand these shlokas> who would have access to these, as foreseen by these > Great Rishis of Yore. therefore they never mentioned > in plain words how these Yogas would manifest in> whose Horoscopes and whose not.> > These Yogas are certainly there but would fructify only,> when they are present , not only> in the Natal Chart, but also in the KP Placidus Chart.> As soon as the planets change position in the Bhava > Chalit, or in the Placidus Cuspal Chart,> they would cease to manifest.> > Let us not be rigid but progressive in our study and > research , as our Master Shri KrishnaMurthyji would > have wanted us to be, had he been here in person.> You cannot expect a Man of 60 Years normal age ,to> study and research each and every aspect of this > great Ocean of Indian astrology, with its boundless> dimensions and give his verdict on same.> > It is left to us students of Our Great master to > continue the research with an unbiased view and > broadmindedness as mentioned by our Beloved > Moderator/Owner of this Forum Shri Pandeyji too.> > Well I have now said what i wished to.> Its left to the rest of the members to search for these> Yogas in their Clients Horoscopes and see whether they> also remain in the KP Chart,> and actually manifest in the natives Life.> But be careful, they would only manifest when the> Planets constituting these yogas appear as > Dasha Lords, otherwise not.> > best wishes,> Bhaskar. > > , sairam nat <sairaman53@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > > > i feel instead of discrding the exaltation and deblitation which > does not work i practice as told in vedic astrology for many number > people it is better to to take the sign say thesign value air sign > water fixed etc instead the value of planets value 3 planets > exaltation abverage life and 2 planets deblitation very rich life > can be seen in practice > > > > we can take the value ofthe house the star or sub lords located > moving dual fixed fire earth water etc > > > > planets is stationery for a longer period eg. saturn in leo for > more than 2.5 yrs and several million born during that period can we > fix all born during this period to the same value in life > > > > it is very difficult to erase from mind the thinking of yogas and > exaltation and deblitation > > > > each family members can be taken andanalyse so many yogas in mosty > horoascopes the fast moving moon coming in an angleto jupiter very > frequently forming gajakesari yoga etc ... there are very very few > percentage of people live in high position and more than 80 percent > live in poor conditions if yogas to fruitify to all all should be > very well in life even for a beggar many yogas may be there are our > servant maids and also a beggar may hav e beautiful fate line > extending from below the palm upto sun mount he is begging there is > no convincing answer for these contradictions > > > > we are cell phone and net age let us not think of bullock cart > what gives results and works well let us try to ahieve things from > that however the foundation and basics like alphabits is vedic > traditional astrology > > > > thank y sir with my regards for yr wounderful apt crisp > knowledgeable thought proviking creative messages however very few > writings from y expecting more and more from y sir > > > > > > THANK Y THANK Y > > > > > > SAIRAMAN 8 08 AM 28 12 07> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Naidu,> > Traditional astrology, as is presently > advocated and followed by a number of "schools of astrology",has > been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as > compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., > which is based on traditional astrology,and is the "new improved and > more accurate system of astrology..."> > My comment referred-to, by you,was given in > this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the > B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so > disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met > Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted > then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to > begin learning K.P. System...all anew...> > Traditional system still continues > promote"yogas",exaltation,> > debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales > etc., making traditional astrology a "bhel" of unproven/untested > yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No > body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable > presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of > the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it > teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning > K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P....> > I hope you now understand my comments in > the right context...> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@> wrote:> > Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,> > > > Your entire message is good except the last sentence "study K.P, > forget traditional astrology". There are umpteen number of systems, > methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say > that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are > incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and > so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a > speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel > he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in > astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. > > Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in > person.> > > > Good Luck.> > > > KP Naidu> > > > > > K. P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without > download. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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