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Dear Ali,

 

///accordig to my research her accurate data is

21 june 1952 14.30 kar///

 

Although no time is given, AstroDatabank also gives the date of birth as 21

Jun 1953. I'm curious to know why you give 1952 as the year of birth??

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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jyotish-vidya

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Friday, December 28, 2007 6:13 AM

Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Hi to All Esteemed leaders

 

this is regarding the martyr of Benazir bhutto the

esteemed leader of sub continent the great

represantive of pakistan in all the world in occult

she was afflicted by the mars as u can see she has

come on 18th october 2007 and there was a bomb blast

on that day also and today 27 december again 9 is the

ruling number and she was in her 54th year and

accordig to my research her accurate data is

21 june 1952 14.30 kar

so u can see that mars is on lagna and aspecting 8th

and moon in 8th but exalted in 9th ve,mer,sun her

father was a great leader and highly intillectual

person in history of politics im very sorrowful at

this ocassion but what God has hidden in message of

stars has to take place another thing that a mystery

is there in bhutto family and gandhi family that any

of there family or blood who will be in politics and

have popularity among masses his/her death will be un

natural like indra gandhi ,rajiv gandhi,zulfiqar ali

bhutto and now BENAZIR BHUTTO so i think soniya is

against the to become PM

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as per this data saturn maha dasha just started on 5th oct triggering major

change in her life

 

and saturn is on mrityu bhag degree

 

ascend lord aspected by 6th lord or ascend lord related to 6th house or lord

triggers all kinds

 

enemy attack

 

prashna releals mars in 2nd as a major factor of attack

 

any affliction to moon affects life span moon is in sandhi as well

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Friday, December 28, 2007 2:45 AM

Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Hi to All Esteemed leaders

 

this is regarding the martyr of Benazir bhutto the

esteemed leader of sub continent the great

represantive of pakistan in all the world in occult

she was afflicted by the mars as u can see she has

come on 18th october 2007 and there was a bomb blast

on that day also and today 27 december again 9 is the

ruling number and she was in her 54th year and

accordig to my research her accurate data is

21 june 1952 14.30 kar

so u can see that mars is on lagna and aspecting 8th

and moon in 8th but exalted in 9th ve,mer,sun her

father was a great leader and highly intillectual

person in history of politics im very sorrowful at

this ocassion but what God has hidden in message of

stars has to take place another thing that a mystery

is there in bhutto family and gandhi family that any

of there family or blood who will be in politics and

have popularity among masses his/her death will be un

natural like indra gandhi ,rajiv gandhi,zulfiqar ali

bhutto and now BENAZIR BHUTTO so i think soniya is

against the to become PM

 

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Hi to All Esteemed leaders

 

this is regarding the martyr of Benazir bhutto the

esteemed leader of sub continent the great

represantive of pakistan in all the world in occult

she was afflicted by the mars as u can see she has

come on 18th october 2007 and there was a bomb blast

on that day also and today 27 december again 9 is the

ruling number and she was in her 54th year and

accordig to my research her accurate data is

21 june 1952 14.30 kar

so u can see that mars is on lagna and aspecting 8th

and moon in 8th but exalted in 9th ve,mer,sun her

father was a great leader and highly intillectual

person in history of politics im very sorrowful at

this ocassion but what God has hidden in message of

stars has to take place another thing that a mystery

is there in bhutto family and gandhi family that any

of there family or blood who will be in politics and

have popularity among masses his/her death will be un

natural like indra gandhi ,rajiv gandhi,zulfiqar ali

bhutto and now BENAZIR BHUTTO so i think soniya is

against the to become PM

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy,

 

Suddenly all groups are analyzing Benezir's chart and justifying the event.

But, unfortunately, each group seems to be using more than one birth time. The

birth time ranges from 2:30pm to 8:15 pm and the date is either June 21 or June

23 and now I see that that year is either 1952 or 1953. With all this, everyone

seem to be justifying the event based on the chart!

 

With all this confusion, I am not sure what are correct birth details of

Benezir.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Ali,

 

///accordig to my research her accurate data is

21 june 1952 14.30 kar///

 

Although no time is given, AstroDatabank also gives the date of birth as 21

Jun 1953. I'm curious to know why you give 1952 as the year of birth??

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

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Cc: <jyotish-vidya >; ;

 

Friday, December 28, 2007 6:13 AM

Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Hi to All Esteemed leaders

 

this is regarding the martyr of Benazir bhutto the

esteemed leader of sub continent the great

represantive of pakistan in all the world in occult

she was afflicted by the mars as u can see she has

come on 18th october 2007 and there was a bomb blast

on that day also and today 27 december again 9 is the

ruling number and she was in her 54th year and

accordig to my research her accurate data is

21 june 1952 14.30 kar

so u can see that mars is on lagna and aspecting 8th

and moon in 8th but exalted in 9th ve,mer,sun her

father was a great leader and highly intillectual

person in history of politics im very sorrowful at

this ocassion but what God has hidden in message of

stars has to take place another thing that a mystery

is there in bhutto family and gandhi family that any

of there family or blood who will be in politics and

have popularity among masses his/her death will be un

natural like indra gandhi ,rajiv gandhi,zulfiqar ali

bhutto and now BENAZIR BHUTTO so i think soniya is

against the to become PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

It would be a good exercise to study them all using the same method with

each one. Parashara Vimshottari system, of course, is what I advocate.

Particular attention should be paid to the cause of death in conjunction

with the current dasas/transits.

 

In the same way one should confirm as many major events in her life as

possible and compare these findings in each chart...

 

No doubt the right one will reveal itself eventually if one puts in the work

without being swayed by what others say :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

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Friday, December 28, 2007 2:22 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Suddenly all groups are analyzing Benezir's chart and justifying the

event. But, unfortunately, each group seems to be using more than one birth

time. The birth time ranges from 2:30pm to 8:15 pm and the date is either

June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is either 1952 or 1953. With

all this, everyone seem to be justifying the event based on the chart!

 

With all this confusion, I am not sure what are correct birth details of

Benezir.

 

Regards,

Krishna

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Also--

 

///and the date is either June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is

either 1952 or 1953.///

 

There appears to be a strong (official) consensus i.e. official documents

etc., supporting the date (21 Jun 1953). So, in fact, we're only looking at

rectifying the time.

 

This really shouldn't be too difficult, in spite of the fact that some

advocate otherwise. All it requires is a little time and effort...a thorough

investigation, so to speak :-)

 

One very important consideration has to be the tragedy involving her family.

Father hanged, two (younger) brothers killed etc... Not to mention her time

in prison, self-imposed exile, twice elected to the highest office in the

land, university degrees obtained in foreign land/s (US and UK)... All of

this should be strongly indicated in the right horoscope!

 

No doubt it's a chart worthy of study. The following site gives a lot of

information (for those interested):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Friday, December 28, 2007 2:48 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

It would be a good exercise to study them all using the same method with

each one. Parashara Vimshottari system, of course, is what I advocate.

Particular attention should be paid to the cause of death in conjunction

with the current dasas/transits.

 

In the same way one should confirm as many major events in her life as

possible and compare these findings in each chart...

 

No doubt the right one will reveal itself eventually if one puts in the work

without being swayed by what others say :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

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" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, December 28, 2007 2:22 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Suddenly all groups are analyzing Benezir's chart and justifying the

event. But, unfortunately, each group seems to be using more than one birth

time. The birth time ranges from 2:30pm to 8:15 pm and the date is either

June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is either 1952 or 1953. With

all this, everyone seem to be justifying the event based on the chart!

 

With all this confusion, I am not sure what are correct birth details of

Benezir.

 

Regards,

Krishna

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Hello Wendy,

 

I would agree Libra ascendent seems the most likely for Benezir Bhutto.

The main consensus is a birth date of 21 June 1953. This is a useful

study chart showing many basic principles. 17 deg fits quite well with

the events I have.

 

Mo and Sa form a Raj yoga in 12H(exile). Mo is 10th lord of career and

yogakaraka Sa is the 5th lord of politics. This shows that she was

politically active even when in exile . This is supported by the

parivatana(exchange) yoga between 10L Mo and 12L Me.

 

4th lord Sa in 12H shows living away from home and Ra affliction on 4th

house cusp gives unstable home life.

 

7th lord Ma is combust and aspects 12th house. Her husband was

imprisoned and has had to endure many difficulties. Ju the karaka for

husband is weakened by 8th House placement and also aspects 12th house

 

She was a strong and courageous person. Ascendant lord Ve aspects its

own sign Libra. Although 3rd lord of courage Ju is weakened in 8th

house, the quality of courage is enhanced by Mars’ combustion.

 

 

 

Some astrologers have gone for Scorpio and even Sag ascendant. For

Scorpio the 6L Mars would be in the 8H and combust. This would give weak

enemies? Comments on this point please.

 

 

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek wrote:

> Also--

>

> ///and the date is either June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is

> either 1952 or 1953.///

>

> There appears to be a strong (official) consensus i.e. official documents

> etc., supporting the date (21 Jun 1953). So, in fact, we're only looking at

> rectifying the time.

>

> This really shouldn't be too difficult, in spite of the fact that some

> advocate otherwise. All it requires is a little time and effort...a thorough

> investigation, so to speak :-)

>

> One very important consideration has to be the tragedy involving her family.

> Father hanged, two (younger) brothers killed etc... Not to mention her time

> in prison, self-imposed exile, twice elected to the highest office in the

> land, university degrees obtained in foreign land/s (US and UK)... All of

> this should be strongly indicated in the right horoscope!

>

> No doubt it's a chart worthy of study. The following site gives a lot of

> information (for those interested):

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

>

> -

> " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, December 28, 2007 2:48 PM

> Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

>

>

> Dear Krishna,

>

> It would be a good exercise to study them all using the same method with

> each one. Parashara Vimshottari system, of course, is what I advocate.

> Particular attention should be paid to the cause of death in conjunction

> with the current dasas/transits.

>

> In the same way one should confirm as many major events in her life as

> possible and compare these findings in each chart...

>

> No doubt the right one will reveal itself eventually if one puts in the work

> without being swayed by what others say :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, December 28, 2007 2:22 PM

> Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

>

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Suddenly all groups are analyzing Benezir's chart and justifying the

> event. But, unfortunately, each group seems to be using more than one birth

> time. The birth time ranges from 2:30pm to 8:15 pm and the date is either

> June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is either 1952 or 1953. With

> all this, everyone seem to be justifying the event based on the chart!

>

> With all this confusion, I am not sure what are correct birth details of

> Benezir.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Ron,

 

Thank you so much for taking a look at this. I was beginning to think no-one

was interested!

 

///Some astrologers have gone for Scorpio and even Sag ascendant. For

Scorpio the 6L Mars would be in the 8H and combust. This would give weak

enemies? Comments on this point please.///

 

I would say she had very powerful enemies! Her government was dismissed

twice due to accusations of corruption - 6th lord in 8th house of

betrayals/accusations/scandals etc occupying nakshatra of Moon in 12th house

of confinement - she was imprisoned due to these allegations of corruption!

 

Note also Mars aspect on this (12th) house and the combined influence of

both SA/MA on 10th lord Moon. Mars is karaka for 6th (competitors/rivals)

and Saturn is karaka for 12th (secret enemies etc)...note also that Saturn

owns 8th from 10th (fall from position). Is this strong enough cause for her

to have been dismissed from office (twice)? What do you think?

 

Bear in mind (please) that this is just a cursory look for the moment and I

really haven't given much attention to any other (possible) charts at this

point.

 

PS: When rectifying a chart, everything must fit together like a jigsaw

puzzle...just (seemingly) getting one piece to fit where we think it should

will not get the job done. The whole chart must come together and give a

clear and accurate picture of the life of the native concerned.

I have always found this a fascinating endeavour...so thrilling when it all

comes together! Unfortunately I lack both the time and (definitely) the

energy needed to do this sort of work; But, for those who can, it's very

rewarding to arrive at the correct T.O.B...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Friday, December 28, 2007 9:24 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Hello Wendy,

 

I would agree Libra ascendent seems the most likely for Benezir Bhutto.

The main consensus is a birth date of 21 June 1953. This is a useful

study chart showing many basic principles. 17 deg fits quite well with

the events I have.

 

Mo and Sa form a Raj yoga in 12H(exile). Mo is 10th lord of career and

yogakaraka Sa is the 5th lord of politics. This shows that she was

politically active even when in exile . This is supported by the

parivatana(exchange) yoga between 10L Mo and 12L Me.

 

4th lord Sa in 12H shows living away from home and Ra affliction on 4th

house cusp gives unstable home life.

 

7th lord Ma is combust and aspects 12th house. Her husband was

imprisoned and has had to endure many difficulties. Ju the karaka for

husband is weakened by 8th House placement and also aspects 12th house

 

She was a strong and courageous person. Ascendant lord Ve aspects its

own sign Libra. Although 3rd lord of courage Ju is weakened in 8th

house, the quality of courage is enhanced by Mars’ combustion.

 

 

 

Some astrologers have gone for Scorpio and even Sag ascendant. For

Scorpio the 6L Mars would be in the 8H and combust. This would give weak

enemies? Comments on this point please.

 

 

Ron

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PS: Once we feel confident that we have the correct lagna then (only) can we

begin to adjust the time (using the dasas/transits to confirm events).

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Dear Ron,

 

Thank you so much for taking a look at this. I was beginning to think no-one

was interested!

 

///Some astrologers have gone for Scorpio and even Sag ascendant. For

Scorpio the 6L Mars would be in the 8H and combust. This would give weak

enemies? Comments on this point please.///

 

I would say she had very powerful enemies! Her government was dismissed

twice due to accusations of corruption - 6th lord in 8th house of

betrayals/accusations/scandals etc occupying nakshatra of Moon in 12th house

of confinement - she was imprisoned due to these allegations of corruption!

 

Note also Mars aspect on this (12th) house and the combined influence of

both SA/MA on 10th lord Moon. Mars is karaka for 6th (competitors/rivals)

and Saturn is karaka for 12th (secret enemies etc)...note also that Saturn

owns 8th from 10th (fall from position). Is this strong enough cause for her

to have been dismissed from office (twice)? What do you think?

 

Bear in mind (please) that this is just a cursory look for the moment and I

really haven't given much attention to any other (possible) charts at this

point.

 

PS: When rectifying a chart, everything must fit together like a jigsaw

puzzle...just (seemingly) getting one piece to fit where we think it should

will not get the job done. The whole chart must come together and give a

clear and accurate picture of the life of the native concerned.

I have always found this a fascinating endeavour...so thrilling when it all

comes together! Unfortunately I lack both the time and (definitely) the

energy needed to do this sort of work; But, for those who can, it's very

rewarding to arrive at the correct T.O.B...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Dear Ron,

 

Just one more quick comment if I may before I switch this computer off for

the day.

In regards to courage: Consider lagnesh Venus, dispositor of 3rd/6th lord,

in own nakshatra and aspecting the ascendant. Would this suggest she had the

courage to rise above her competitors and keep fighting in spite of the

obstacles she faced? What do you think?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

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Friday, December 28, 2007 11:06 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

PS: Once we feel confident that we have the correct lagna then (only) can we

begin to adjust the time (using the dasas/transits to confirm events).

_______

 

Dear Ron,

 

Thank you so much for taking a look at this. I was beginning to think no-one

was interested!

 

///Some astrologers have gone for Scorpio and even Sag ascendant. For

Scorpio the 6L Mars would be in the 8H and combust. This would give weak

enemies? Comments on this point please.///

 

I would say she had very powerful enemies! Her government was dismissed

twice due to accusations of corruption - 6th lord in 8th house of

betrayals/accusations/scandals etc occupying nakshatra of Moon in 12th house

of confinement - she was imprisoned due to these allegations of corruption!

 

Note also Mars aspect on this (12th) house and the combined influence of

both SA/MA on 10th lord Moon. Mars is karaka for 6th (competitors/rivals)

and Saturn is karaka for 12th (secret enemies etc)...note also that Saturn

owns 8th from 10th (fall from position). Is this strong enough cause for her

to have been dismissed from office (twice)? What do you think?

 

Bear in mind (please) that this is just a cursory look for the moment and I

really haven't given much attention to any other (possible) charts at this

point.

 

PS: When rectifying a chart, everything must fit together like a jigsaw

puzzle...just (seemingly) getting one piece to fit where we think it should

will not get the job done. The whole chart must come together and give a

clear and accurate picture of the life of the native concerned.

I have always found this a fascinating endeavour...so thrilling when it all

comes together! Unfortunately I lack both the time and (definitely) the

energy needed to do this sort of work; But, for those who can, it's very

rewarding to arrive at the correct T.O.B...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Dear Wendy,

 

 

 

 

 

> >I would say she had very powerful enemies! Her government was

dismissed twice due to accusations of corruption - 6th lord in 8th house

of betrayals/accusations/scandals etc occupying nakshatra of Moon in

12th house of confinement - she was imprisoned due to these allegations

of corruption! <<

 

 

 

I haven’t studied much on what gives powerful enemies and whether they

can be defeated.

 

If the 12H/L is weak and afflicted then the native can have big

expenses. By analogy if the 6H/L is weak and afflicted then the native

can be overcome by enemies.

 

For the Libra ascendent 6L Ju is weakened in the 8H so enemies can take

hold. Ju is also 3rd lord and she lost a younger brother. Ju is also

debilitated in D6. Also Ju L6 in 8H gives death from enemies. But if Ju

is strong then defeat may not happen.

 

 

 

> >Note also Mars aspect on this (12th) house and the combined influence

of both SA/MA on 10th lord Moon. Mars is karaka for 6th

(competitors/rivals) and Saturn is karaka for 12th (secret enemies

etc)...note also that Saturn owns 8th from 10th (fall from position). Is

this strong enough cause for her to have been dismissed from office

(twice)? What do you think?<<

 

 

 

Saturn would need to be weak for this to happen. It is in 12th house but

Retrograde and in its own dasamsa D10. Dismissal may be due to the

late degree of the Mo L10 and its position in 12H. Ke the planet of

intrigues is in10H.

 

 

 

>In regards to courage: Consider lagnesh Venus, dispositor of 3rd/6th

lord, in own nakshatra and aspecting the ascendant. Would this suggest

she had the courage to rise above her competitors and keep fighting in

spite of the obstacles she faced? What do you think?<

 

 

 

Courage is often linked to malefic influences on 3H. Combust Mars

aspects 3H. The inner values of Mars such as passion, courage and

determination are enhanced by combustion in any case.

 

 

 

The main reason I was drawn to examine this chart was the combustion of

Mars.

 

I recently saw this in the chart of Australian Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd.

 

It is often possible to rectify the chart based on this condition( as

in Rudd’s case).

 

 

 

Interesting to note that Prof.Choudhry has given Bhutto a Scorpio

ascendent. This shows potential but does it show exile? For Scorpio the

12H is quite strong being aspected by its own lord Ve. For Libra asc 12L

Me is in mitra avasta and functional malefic Ju(depending on your

school), Ra and Ma aspects 12H cusp for 17 deg Libra. So Libra asc.

shows greater potential for imprisonment. The 12H for Libra asc is

extremely busy.

 

 

 

Quote--

 

“Scorpio is the right ascendant for late Ms Bhutto as Mars in 8th house

makes her father, her ownself, her elder brother and her younger brother

vulnerable to life threatening injuries as Mars from 8th aspects, 11H,

2H and third houses. The rising degree may need a little adjustment here

or there.”

 

 

 

 

 

I would still favour Libra since Librans often become interested in

politics since Saturn, a friend of Asc lord Ve rules the 4H( masses) and

5H of politics and is exalted in the Ascendant.

 

 

 

 

 

Ron

 

 

 

 

> Dear Ron,

> Just one more quick comment if I may before I switch this computer off for

> the day.

> In regards to courage: Consider lagnesh Venus, dispositor of 3rd/6th lord,

> in own nakshatra and aspecting the ascendant. Would this suggest she had the

> courage to rise above her competitors and keep fighting in spite of the

> obstacles she faced? What do you think?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

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\\\I haven’t studied much on what gives powerful enemies and whether they

can be defeated.///

 

Being rather sluggish (mentally) at the moment, I thought I'd just dig up

some reference to support my earlier statement. In James Braha's (AHA for

the MWA) it's stated, in part, that the ruler of 6th placed in 8th indicates

powerful enemies or jealous people, medium span of life etc..

 

L.R. Chawdhri (Scientific Analysis of Horoscope) states specifically for

Libra Ascendant:

" Financial rewards for faithful work and service.

False accusations, or trouble on account of death or bequests.

Death at the hand of a cruel enemy. "

 

I apologise that I'm a bit too tired to delve into reasons behind these

statements (just now) or to respond to your other comments (below). Perhaps

later when I'm feeling a little more (mentally) alert.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:22 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

 

 

 

 

> >I would say she had very powerful enemies! Her government was

dismissed twice due to accusations of corruption - 6th lord in 8th house

of betrayals/accusations/scandals etc occupying nakshatra of Moon in

12th house of confinement - she was imprisoned due to these allegations

of corruption! <<

 

 

 

I haven’t studied much on what gives powerful enemies and whether they

can be defeated.

 

If the 12H/L is weak and afflicted then the native can have big

expenses. By analogy if the 6H/L is weak and afflicted then the native

can be overcome by enemies.

 

For the Libra ascendent 6L Ju is weakened in the 8H so enemies can take

hold. Ju is also 3rd lord and she lost a younger brother. Ju is also

debilitated in D6. Also Ju L6 in 8H gives death from enemies. But if Ju

is strong then defeat may not happen.

 

 

 

> >Note also Mars aspect on this (12th) house and the combined influence

of both SA/MA on 10th lord Moon. Mars is karaka for 6th

(competitors/rivals) and Saturn is karaka for 12th (secret enemies

etc)...note also that Saturn owns 8th from 10th (fall from position). Is

this strong enough cause for her to have been dismissed from office

(twice)? What do you think?<<

 

 

 

Saturn would need to be weak for this to happen. It is in 12th house but

Retrograde and in its own dasamsa D10. Dismissal may be due to the

late degree of the Mo L10 and its position in 12H. Ke the planet of

intrigues is in10H.

 

 

 

>In regards to courage: Consider lagnesh Venus, dispositor of 3rd/6th

lord, in own nakshatra and aspecting the ascendant. Would this suggest

she had the courage to rise above her competitors and keep fighting in

spite of the obstacles she faced? What do you think?<

 

 

 

Courage is often linked to malefic influences on 3H. Combust Mars

aspects 3H. The inner values of Mars such as passion, courage and

determination are enhanced by combustion in any case.

 

 

 

The main reason I was drawn to examine this chart was the combustion of

Mars.

 

I recently saw this in the chart of Australian Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd.

 

It is often possible to rectify the chart based on this condition( as

in Rudd’s case).

 

 

 

Interesting to note that Prof.Choudhry has given Bhutto a Scorpio

ascendent. This shows potential but does it show exile? For Scorpio the

12H is quite strong being aspected by its own lord Ve. For Libra asc 12L

Me is in mitra avasta and functional malefic Ju(depending on your

school), Ra and Ma aspects 12H cusp for 17 deg Libra. So Libra asc.

shows greater potential for imprisonment. The 12H for Libra asc is

extremely busy.

 

 

 

Quote--

 

“Scorpio is the right ascendant for late Ms Bhutto as Mars in 8th house

makes her father, her ownself, her elder brother and her younger brother

vulnerable to life threatening injuries as Mars from 8th aspects, 11H,

2H and third houses. The rising degree may need a little adjustment here

or there.”

 

 

 

 

 

I would still favour Libra since Librans often become interested in

politics since Saturn, a friend of Asc lord Ve rules the 4H( masses) and

5H of politics and is exalted in the Ascendant.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy,

 

What you say is perfectly logical. There is no other easy way out here. I

would like to start unbiased on any of the times being circulated, just assuming

that the correct date of birth is June 21, 1953 in Karachi. Please guide me, if

you see that I have gone wrong.

 

I have picked the following events to fix her lagna:

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first I

would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. The goal

here is to see what are the signs severely affect by malefics during those days.

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

 

A conglomeration of malefics can be see along Virgo-Pieces axis. Saturn® and

Ketu occupy Pieces and are mutually aspecting another bunch of planets in Virgo

- Sun, Rahu and Mer®. The only standing out malefic Mars is in Cancer. These

planets should be affecting the 3rd house of the native. I would like to list

the signs severly affected by these malefics:

 

Taurus, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pieces, without considering Mars's

contribution. As Rahu is sitting in the earth tatwa sign and assuming that it

has afflicted the earth tatwa in the chart, we could possibly add Capricorn to

the above list. Please note that this is not Rahu's aspect that I am

considering.

 

Assuming one of these is a thrid house for the native, possible lagnas are the

following based on this one event:

 

Pieces, Cancer, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn. (based on the different times

under circulation, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn seem to have a higher

probability)

 

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

 

All the malefics were placed in the following way:

 

Sun and Mars are in Gemini. Saturn and Ketu in Libra. Considering Rahu is

aspected by Saturn, we could take Rahu in Aries into account. The signs

influenced by these malefics are:

 

Aries, Gemini, Cancer, Libra, Sagittarius and Capricon. Leo could be added to

this list as Rahu is sitting in Fire tatwa sign and aspected by Saturn.

 

Since it is the case of the third sibling, one of these houses should be the

7th house for the native. Hence, possible lagnas based on this event alone are:

 

Libra, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aries, Gemini and Aquarius.

 

Combining the above two events, the common factor would be either Libra or

Capricorn.

 

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

 

On this date, we have the malefics placed as below:

 

Mars, Mercury and Sun in pieces and Saturn and Rahu in Leo. Hence, the signs

affected by these malefics are:

 

Taurus, Leo, Virgo, Libra (max. affliction), Aquarius, Sagittarius and Aries.

 

One of these houses should be the 10th house representing the father. Hence,

possible lagnas are:

 

Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Taurus and Cancer.

 

Merging with the shortlisted lagnas from the previous events, we have only one

possibility - Capricorn. Will this lagna support othe events? I wanted to check

for one more event in my list - her imprisonment.

 

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

For long periods of imprisonments, I have observed the existance of 'Bandhana

Yoga' in the charts. The conditions for this yoga are - Lagna lord and Sixth

lords should be either in a Kona or Kendra. 6th lord should afflict lagna lord.

And both 6th lord and lagna lord should be afflicted by one of Sani or Rahu or

Ketu.

 

I checked this combination out on her given date of birth for capricorn lagna:

 

Lagna lord Saturn is in a Kona. 6th Lord Mercury is in a Kendra. Sixth lord

disposits lagna lord. Lagna lord disposits Rahu and 6th lord is in Rahu/Ketu

axis. A perfect fit!

 

Checking the probable period of imprisonment (between 1977 - 1984), roughly

the period starts during Jup-Sat period, covers Jup-Mer and Jup-Ketu periods and

ends in Jup-Ven period. Note that Jupiter is in the nakshatra of 6th lord

Mercury. Saturn is the lagna lord. Ketu is conjunct 6th lord. Hence, this

appears to be realistic.

 

Hence, Possibly, the correct lagna is Capricorn.

 

Dear Wendy, please give your views on this analysis. Let me know if I have

made any assumptions that are not according to Parashara.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Also--

 

///and the date is either June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is

either 1952 or 1953.///

 

There appears to be a strong (official) consensus i.e. official documents

etc., supporting the date (21 Jun 1953). So, in fact, we're only looking at

rectifying the time.

 

This really shouldn't be too difficult, in spite of the fact that some

advocate otherwise. All it requires is a little time and effort...a thorough

investigation, so to speak :-)

 

One very important consideration has to be the tragedy involving her family.

Father hanged, two (younger) brothers killed etc... Not to mention her time

in prison, self-imposed exile, twice elected to the highest office in the

land, university degrees obtained in foreign land/s (US and UK)... All of

this should be strongly indicated in the right horoscope!

 

No doubt it's a chart worthy of study. The following site gives a lot of

information (for those interested):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Friday, December 28, 2007 2:48 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Krishna,

 

It would be a good exercise to study them all using the same method with

each one. Parashara Vimshottari system, of course, is what I advocate.

Particular attention should be paid to the cause of death in conjunction

with the current dasas/transits.

 

In the same way one should confirm as many major events in her life as

possible and compare these findings in each chart...

 

No doubt the right one will reveal itself eventually if one puts in the work

without being swayed by what others say :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Friday, December 28, 2007 2:22 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Suddenly all groups are analyzing Benezir's chart and justifying the

event. But, unfortunately, each group seems to be using more than one birth

time. The birth time ranges from 2:30pm to 8:15 pm and the date is either

June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is either 1952 or 1953. With

all this, everyone seem to be justifying the event based on the chart!

 

With all this confusion, I am not sure what are correct birth details of

Benezir.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

Thank you for being so willing to put in the hard work. Rectification really

does take a lot of effort. But, I believe, well worth it as we learn so much

from these sort of exercises.

 

It's past 11pm here now (daylight saving time) and I'm absolutely ready to

switch off and retire for the night. So, please bear with me and, God

willing, I can take a good look at your findings tomorrow.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:42 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

What you say is perfectly logical. There is no other easy way out here. I

would like to start unbiased on any of the times being circulated, just

assuming that the correct date of birth is June 21, 1953 in Karachi. Please

guide me, if you see that I have gone wrong.

 

I have picked the following events to fix her lagna:

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first I

would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. The goal

here is to see what are the signs severely affect by malefics during those

days.

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

 

A conglomeration of malefics can be see along Virgo-Pieces axis. Saturn®

and Ketu occupy Pieces and are mutually aspecting another bunch of planets

in Virgo - Sun, Rahu and Mer®. The only standing out malefic Mars is in

Cancer. These planets should be affecting the 3rd house of the native. I

would like to list the signs severly affected by these malefics:

 

Taurus, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pieces, without considering Mars's

contribution. As Rahu is sitting in the earth tatwa sign and assuming that

it has afflicted the earth tatwa in the chart, we could possibly add

Capricorn to the above list. Please note that this is not Rahu's aspect that

I am considering.

 

Assuming one of these is a thrid house for the native, possible lagnas are

the following based on this one event:

 

Pieces, Cancer, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn. (based on the different

times under circulation, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn seem to have a higher

probability)

 

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

 

All the malefics were placed in the following way:

 

Sun and Mars are in Gemini. Saturn and Ketu in Libra. Considering Rahu is

aspected by Saturn, we could take Rahu in Aries into account. The signs

influenced by these malefics are:

 

Aries, Gemini, Cancer, Libra, Sagittarius and Capricon. Leo could be added

to this list as Rahu is sitting in Fire tatwa sign and aspected by Saturn.

 

Since it is the case of the third sibling, one of these houses should be

the 7th house for the native. Hence, possible lagnas based on this event

alone are:

 

Libra, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aries, Gemini and Aquarius.

 

Combining the above two events, the common factor would be either Libra or

Capricorn.

 

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

 

On this date, we have the malefics placed as below:

 

Mars, Mercury and Sun in pieces and Saturn and Rahu in Leo. Hence, the

signs affected by these malefics are:

 

Taurus, Leo, Virgo, Libra (max. affliction), Aquarius, Sagittarius and

Aries.

 

One of these houses should be the 10th house representing the father.

Hence, possible lagnas are:

 

Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Taurus and Cancer.

 

Merging with the shortlisted lagnas from the previous events, we have only

one possibility - Capricorn. Will this lagna support othe events? I wanted

to check for one more event in my list - her imprisonment.

 

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

For long periods of imprisonments, I have observed the existance of

'Bandhana Yoga' in the charts. The conditions for this yoga are - Lagna lord

and Sixth lords should be either in a Kona or Kendra. 6th lord should

afflict lagna lord. And both 6th lord and lagna lord should be afflicted by

one of Sani or Rahu or Ketu.

 

I checked this combination out on her given date of birth for capricorn

lagna:

 

Lagna lord Saturn is in a Kona. 6th Lord Mercury is in a Kendra. Sixth

lord disposits lagna lord. Lagna lord disposits Rahu and 6th lord is in

Rahu/Ketu axis. A perfect fit!

 

Checking the probable period of imprisonment (between 1977 - 1984),

roughly the period starts during Jup-Sat period, covers Jup-Mer and Jup-Ketu

periods and ends in Jup-Ven period. Note that Jupiter is in the nakshatra

of 6th lord Mercury. Saturn is the lagna lord. Ketu is conjunct 6th lord.

Hence, this appears to be realistic.

 

Hence, Possibly, the correct lagna is Capricorn.

 

Dear Wendy, please give your views on this analysis. Let me know if I have

made any assumptions that are not according to Parashara.

 

Regards,

Krishna

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That is fine dear Endy. One small error that I noticed in my earlier mail:

 

Following sentence:

 

" Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first I

would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. "

 

should be read as:

 

" Since I am starting with a clean slate, without any assumptions on lagna,

first I

would like to study the transits on some of the important dates. "

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Krishna,

 

Thank you for being so willing to put in the hard work. Rectification really

does take a lot of effort. But, I believe, well worth it as we learn so much

from these sort of exercises.

 

It's past 11pm here now (daylight saving time) and I'm absolutely ready to

switch off and retire for the night. So, please bear with me and, God

willing, I can take a good look at your findings tomorrow.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:42 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Wendy,

 

What you say is perfectly logical. There is no other easy way out here. I

would like to start unbiased on any of the times being circulated, just

assuming that the correct date of birth is June 21, 1953 in Karachi. Please

guide me, if you see that I have gone wrong.

 

I have picked the following events to fix her lagna:

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first I

would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. The goal

here is to see what are the signs severely affect by malefics during those

days.

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

 

A conglomeration of malefics can be see along Virgo-Pieces axis. Saturn®

and Ketu occupy Pieces and are mutually aspecting another bunch of planets

in Virgo - Sun, Rahu and Mer®. The only standing out malefic Mars is in

Cancer. These planets should be affecting the 3rd house of the native. I

would like to list the signs severly affected by these malefics:

 

Taurus, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pieces, without considering Mars's

contribution. As Rahu is sitting in the earth tatwa sign and assuming that

it has afflicted the earth tatwa in the chart, we could possibly add

Capricorn to the above list. Please note that this is not Rahu's aspect that

I am considering.

 

Assuming one of these is a thrid house for the native, possible lagnas are

the following based on this one event:

 

Pieces, Cancer, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn. (based on the different

times under circulation, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn seem to have a higher

probability)

 

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

 

All the malefics were placed in the following way:

 

Sun and Mars are in Gemini. Saturn and Ketu in Libra. Considering Rahu is

aspected by Saturn, we could take Rahu in Aries into account. The signs

influenced by these malefics are:

 

Aries, Gemini, Cancer, Libra, Sagittarius and Capricon. Leo could be added

to this list as Rahu is sitting in Fire tatwa sign and aspected by Saturn.

 

Since it is the case of the third sibling, one of these houses should be

the 7th house for the native. Hence, possible lagnas based on this event

alone are:

 

Libra, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aries, Gemini and Aquarius.

 

Combining the above two events, the common factor would be either Libra or

Capricorn.

 

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

 

On this date, we have the malefics placed as below:

 

Mars, Mercury and Sun in pieces and Saturn and Rahu in Leo. Hence, the

signs affected by these malefics are:

 

Taurus, Leo, Virgo, Libra (max. affliction), Aquarius, Sagittarius and

Aries.

 

One of these houses should be the 10th house representing the father.

Hence, possible lagnas are:

 

Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Taurus and Cancer.

 

Merging with the shortlisted lagnas from the previous events, we have only

one possibility - Capricorn. Will this lagna support othe events? I wanted

to check for one more event in my list - her imprisonment.

 

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

For long periods of imprisonments, I have observed the existance of

'Bandhana Yoga' in the charts. The conditions for this yoga are - Lagna lord

and Sixth lords should be either in a Kona or Kendra. 6th lord should

afflict lagna lord. And both 6th lord and lagna lord should be afflicted by

one of Sani or Rahu or Ketu.

 

I checked this combination out on her given date of birth for capricorn

lagna:

 

Lagna lord Saturn is in a Kona. 6th Lord Mercury is in a Kendra. Sixth

lord disposits lagna lord. Lagna lord disposits Rahu and 6th lord is in

Rahu/Ketu axis. A perfect fit!

 

Checking the probable period of imprisonment (between 1977 - 1984),

roughly the period starts during Jup-Sat period, covers Jup-Mer and Jup-Ketu

periods and ends in Jup-Ven period. Note that Jupiter is in the nakshatra

of 6th lord Mercury. Saturn is the lagna lord. Ketu is conjunct 6th lord.

Hence, this appears to be realistic.

 

Hence, Possibly, the correct lagna is Capricorn.

 

Dear Wendy, please give your views on this analysis. Let me know if I have

made any assumptions that are not according to Parashara.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

///4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period///

 

If I might start here Krishna, I'm still trying to find documentation that

supports her actually being in prison itself throughout this time. By what

I've read so far it seems she could have been simply under house arrest a

lot of the time (as apposed to prison itself). I do understand, of course,

that confinement is confinement regardless of where it might be...it would

be good if you could point me to where it states the actual times of

imprisonment, perhaps I've missed it on Wikipedia?

 

However, be that as it may, the first thing to establish is whether the

horoscope itself indicates the possibility of confinement. So let's leave

the transits for now and just focus on the indications in the natal chart

itself...

The Capricorn chart does not, in my opinion, indicate either confinement or

exile with both 12th lord and its karaka occupying trines.

Libra lagna, on the other hand, shows strong possibility for both

confinement and exile. Note the Dainya-Parivartana Yoga (exchange between

10th/12th lords). Also significant in this chart is the presence of Ketu in

10th in terms of her father's execution by hanging (the nodes, as we know,

are associated with unnatural death - Ketu specifically is associated with

hanging).

 

///3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979///

 

The operating dasa was JU-SA-VE-KE (this is with a tentatively rectified

time of 16:31). Dasa lord Jupiter was tansiting 10th in sign of

debilitation...note Jupiter owns 3rd house (parents death).

 

I will have to leave it here for now Krishna but will get back to you as

soon as I can...

 

PS: I've heard that KN Rao also supports Libra lagna. Unfortunately I no

longer have his website stored on my computer. I'd be grateful if someone

could send me the link. I'm curious to see what he has to say.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:42 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

What you say is perfectly logical. There is no other easy way out here. I

would like to start unbiased on any of the times being circulated, just

assuming that the correct date of birth is June 21, 1953 in Karachi. Please

guide me, if you see that I have gone wrong.

 

I have picked the following events to fix her lagna:

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first I

would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. The goal

here is to see what are the signs severely affect by malefics during those

days.

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

 

A conglomeration of malefics can be see along Virgo-Pieces axis. Saturn®

and Ketu occupy Pieces and are mutually aspecting another bunch of planets

in Virgo - Sun, Rahu and Mer®. The only standing out malefic Mars is in

Cancer. These planets should be affecting the 3rd house of the native. I

would like to list the signs severly affected by these malefics:

 

Taurus, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pieces, without considering Mars's

contribution. As Rahu is sitting in the earth tatwa sign and assuming that

it has afflicted the earth tatwa in the chart, we could possibly add

Capricorn to the above list. Please note that this is not Rahu's aspect that

I am considering.

 

Assuming one of these is a thrid house for the native, possible lagnas are

the following based on this one event:

 

Pieces, Cancer, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn. (based on the different

times under circulation, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn seem to have a higher

probability)

 

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

 

All the malefics were placed in the following way:

 

Sun and Mars are in Gemini. Saturn and Ketu in Libra. Considering Rahu is

aspected by Saturn, we could take Rahu in Aries into account. The signs

influenced by these malefics are:

 

Aries, Gemini, Cancer, Libra, Sagittarius and Capricon. Leo could be added

to this list as Rahu is sitting in Fire tatwa sign and aspected by Saturn.

 

Since it is the case of the third sibling, one of these houses should be

the 7th house for the native. Hence, possible lagnas based on this event

alone are:

 

Libra, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aries, Gemini and Aquarius.

 

Combining the above two events, the common factor would be either Libra or

Capricorn.

 

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

 

On this date, we have the malefics placed as below:

 

Mars, Mercury and Sun in pieces and Saturn and Rahu in Leo. Hence, the

signs affected by these malefics are:

 

Taurus, Leo, Virgo, Libra (max. affliction), Aquarius, Sagittarius and

Aries.

 

One of these houses should be the 10th house representing the father.

Hence, possible lagnas are:

 

Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Taurus and Cancer.

 

Merging with the shortlisted lagnas from the previous events, we have only

one possibility - Capricorn. Will this lagna support othe events? I wanted

to check for one more event in my list - her imprisonment.

 

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

For long periods of imprisonments, I have observed the existance of

'Bandhana Yoga' in the charts. The conditions for this yoga are - Lagna lord

and Sixth lords should be either in a Kona or Kendra. 6th lord should

afflict lagna lord. And both 6th lord and lagna lord should be afflicted by

one of Sani or Rahu or Ketu.

 

I checked this combination out on her given date of birth for capricorn

lagna:

 

Lagna lord Saturn is in a Kona. 6th Lord Mercury is in a Kendra. Sixth

lord disposits lagna lord. Lagna lord disposits Rahu and 6th lord is in

Rahu/Ketu axis. A perfect fit!

 

Checking the probable period of imprisonment (between 1977 - 1984),

roughly the period starts during Jup-Sat period, covers Jup-Mer and Jup-Ketu

periods and ends in Jup-Ven period. Note that Jupiter is in the nakshatra

of 6th lord Mercury. Saturn is the lagna lord. Ketu is conjunct 6th lord.

Hence, this appears to be realistic.

 

Hence, Possibly, the correct lagna is Capricorn.

 

Dear Wendy, please give your views on this analysis. Let me know if I have

made any assumptions that are not according to Parashara.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Also--

 

///and the date is either June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is

either 1952 or 1953.///

 

There appears to be a strong (official) consensus i.e. official documents

etc., supporting the date (21 Jun 1953). So, in fact, we're only looking at

rectifying the time.

 

This really shouldn't be too difficult, in spite of the fact that some

advocate otherwise. All it requires is a little time and effort...a thorough

investigation, so to speak :-)

 

One very important consideration has to be the tragedy involving her family.

Father hanged, two (younger) brothers killed etc... Not to mention her time

in prison, self-imposed exile, twice elected to the highest office in the

land, university degrees obtained in foreign land/s (US and UK)... All of

this should be strongly indicated in the right horoscope!

 

No doubt it's a chart worthy of study. The following site gives a lot of

information (for those interested):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, December 28, 2007 2:48 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Krishna,

 

It would be a good exercise to study them all using the same method with

each one. Parashara Vimshottari system, of course, is what I advocate.

Particular attention should be paid to the cause of death in conjunction

with the current dasas/transits.

 

In the same way one should confirm as many major events in her life as

possible and compare these findings in each chart...

 

No doubt the right one will reveal itself eventually if one puts in the work

without being swayed by what others say :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, December 28, 2007 2:22 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Suddenly all groups are analyzing Benezir's chart and justifying the

event. But, unfortunately, each group seems to be using more than one birth

time. The birth time ranges from 2:30pm to 8:15 pm and the date is either

June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is either 1952 or 1953. With

all this, everyone seem to be justifying the event based on the chart!

 

With all this confusion, I am not sure what are correct birth details of

Benezir.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy,

 

I was hoping that you will comment on the methodology I followed to fix the

lagna and if any errors in that process. But, you may not have enough time to

spare.

 

She was frequently shunted between house arrest to prison cells (solitary

confinement). She has spent long periods in different prisons during this

period. I have not noted down the actual dates of movement between solitary

confinement and prison. However, there is a long document titled " From prison to

Prime Minister " which narrates these incidents. You can find it at the following

link:

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/944173/Benazir-Bhutto-From-Prison-to-Prime-Minister

 

Even Suu Kyi of Burma is also on house arrest most of the times and her chart

also shows 'Bandhana Yoga'. I have done some study on this and you can find my

report at the following link:

 

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/2007/07/bandhana-yoga-bandhana-yoga-is.html

 

I have at least 20 charts to testify the validity of 'Bandhana Yoga'. The

charts belonging to range of people from Suu Kyi and Nelson mandela to

terrorists and murders.

 

I don't see bandhana yoga manifesting from Libra lagna.

 

You have said that:

 

<<The Capricorn chart does not, in my opinion, indicate either confinement or

exile with both 12th lord and its karaka occupying trines.>>

 

But, please noticed that Mercury (6L) occupies the nakshatra of 12L Jupiter

and Mercury's companion Ketu occupies the nakshatra of karaka of 12th - Saturn.

Both Mercury and Ketu are involved in the Bandhana Yoga! In fact, the timing of

her first arrest correspond to Jup-Sat period!

 

Though K N Rao supports libra lagna, I understand he uses June 23 as the birth

date. I have also not visited that site.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Krishna,

 

///4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period///

 

If I might start here Krishna, I'm still trying to find documentation that

supports her actually being in prison itself throughout this time. By what

I've read so far it seems she could have been simply under house arrest a

lot of the time (as apposed to prison itself). I do understand, of course,

that confinement is confinement regardless of where it might be...it would

be good if you could point me to where it states the actual times of

imprisonment, perhaps I've missed it on Wikipedia?

 

However, be that as it may, the first thing to establish is whether the

horoscope itself indicates the possibility of confinement. So let's leave

the transits for now and just focus on the indications in the natal chart

itself...

The Capricorn chart does not, in my opinion, indicate either confinement or

exile with both 12th lord and its karaka occupying trines.

Libra lagna, on the other hand, shows strong possibility for both

confinement and exile. Note the Dainya-Parivartana Yoga (exchange between

10th/12th lords). Also significant in this chart is the presence of Ketu in

10th in terms of her father's execution by hanging (the nodes, as we know,

are associated with unnatural death - Ketu specifically is associated with

hanging).

 

///3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979///

 

The operating dasa was JU-SA-VE-KE (this is with a tentatively rectified

time of 16:31). Dasa lord Jupiter was tansiting 10th in sign of

debilitation...note Jupiter owns 3rd house (parents death).

 

I will have to leave it here for now Krishna but will get back to you as

soon as I can...

 

PS: I've heard that KN Rao also supports Libra lagna. Unfortunately I no

longer have his website stored on my computer. I'd be grateful if someone

could send me the link. I'm curious to see what he has to say.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:42 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Wendy,

 

What you say is perfectly logical. There is no other easy way out here. I

would like to start unbiased on any of the times being circulated, just

assuming that the correct date of birth is June 21, 1953 in Karachi. Please

guide me, if you see that I have gone wrong.

 

I have picked the following events to fix her lagna:

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first I

would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. The goal

here is to see what are the signs severely affect by malefics during those

days.

 

1. Death of her immediate younger brother Murtaza on Sep. 18, 1996

 

A conglomeration of malefics can be see along Virgo-Pieces axis. Saturn®

and Ketu occupy Pieces and are mutually aspecting another bunch of planets

in Virgo - Sun, Rahu and Mer®. The only standing out malefic Mars is in

Cancer. These planets should be affecting the 3rd house of the native. I

would like to list the signs severly affected by these malefics:

 

Taurus, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pieces, without considering Mars's

contribution. As Rahu is sitting in the earth tatwa sign and assuming that

it has afflicted the earth tatwa in the chart, we could possibly add

Capricorn to the above list. Please note that this is not Rahu's aspect that

I am considering.

 

Assuming one of these is a thrid house for the native, possible lagnas are

the following based on this one event:

 

Pieces, Cancer, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn. (based on the different

times under circulation, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn seem to have a higher

probability)

 

2. Death of her third younger sibling Shahnawaz on July 8, 1985

 

All the malefics were placed in the following way:

 

Sun and Mars are in Gemini. Saturn and Ketu in Libra. Considering Rahu is

aspected by Saturn, we could take Rahu in Aries into account. The signs

influenced by these malefics are:

 

Aries, Gemini, Cancer, Libra, Sagittarius and Capricon. Leo could be added

to this list as Rahu is sitting in Fire tatwa sign and aspected by Saturn.

 

Since it is the case of the third sibling, one of these houses should be

the 7th house for the native. Hence, possible lagnas based on this event

alone are:

 

Libra, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aries, Gemini and Aquarius.

 

Combining the above two events, the common factor would be either Libra or

Capricorn.

 

3. Death of her beloved father Zulfiker Ali bhutto on April 4, 1979

 

On this date, we have the malefics placed as below:

 

Mars, Mercury and Sun in pieces and Saturn and Rahu in Leo. Hence, the

signs affected by these malefics are:

 

Taurus, Leo, Virgo, Libra (max. affliction), Aquarius, Sagittarius and

Aries.

 

One of these houses should be the 10th house representing the father.

Hence, possible lagnas are:

 

Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Taurus and Cancer.

 

Merging with the shortlisted lagnas from the previous events, we have only

one possibility - Capricorn. Will this lagna support othe events? I wanted

to check for one more event in my list - her imprisonment.

 

4. Her imprisonment of almost 6 years during 1977-1984 period

 

For long periods of imprisonments, I have observed the existance of

'Bandhana Yoga' in the charts. The conditions for this yoga are - Lagna lord

and Sixth lords should be either in a Kona or Kendra. 6th lord should

afflict lagna lord. And both 6th lord and lagna lord should be afflicted by

one of Sani or Rahu or Ketu.

 

I checked this combination out on her given date of birth for capricorn

lagna:

 

Lagna lord Saturn is in a Kona. 6th Lord Mercury is in a Kendra. Sixth

lord disposits lagna lord. Lagna lord disposits Rahu and 6th lord is in

Rahu/Ketu axis. A perfect fit!

 

Checking the probable period of imprisonment (between 1977 - 1984),

roughly the period starts during Jup-Sat period, covers Jup-Mer and Jup-Ketu

periods and ends in Jup-Ven period. Note that Jupiter is in the nakshatra

of 6th lord Mercury. Saturn is the lagna lord. Ketu is conjunct 6th lord.

Hence, this appears to be realistic.

 

Hence, Possibly, the correct lagna is Capricorn.

 

Dear Wendy, please give your views on this analysis. Let me know if I have

made any assumptions that are not according to Parashara.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Also--

 

///and the date is either June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is

either 1952 or 1953.///

 

There appears to be a strong (official) consensus i.e. official documents

etc., supporting the date (21 Jun 1953). So, in fact, we're only looking at

rectifying the time.

 

This really shouldn't be too difficult, in spite of the fact that some

advocate otherwise. All it requires is a little time and effort...a thorough

investigation, so to speak :-)

 

One very important consideration has to be the tragedy involving her family.

Father hanged, two (younger) brothers killed etc... Not to mention her time

in prison, self-imposed exile, twice elected to the highest office in the

land, university degrees obtained in foreign land/s (US and UK)... All of

this should be strongly indicated in the right horoscope!

 

No doubt it's a chart worthy of study. The following site gives a lot of

information (for those interested):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, December 28, 2007 2:48 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Krishna,

 

It would be a good exercise to study them all using the same method with

each one. Parashara Vimshottari system, of course, is what I advocate.

Particular attention should be paid to the cause of death in conjunction

with the current dasas/transits.

 

In the same way one should confirm as many major events in her life as

possible and compare these findings in each chart...

 

No doubt the right one will reveal itself eventually if one puts in the work

without being swayed by what others say :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, December 28, 2007 2:22 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Suddenly all groups are analyzing Benezir's chart and justifying the

event. But, unfortunately, each group seems to be using more than one birth

time. The birth time ranges from 2:30pm to 8:15 pm and the date is either

June 21 or June 23 and now I see that that year is either 1952 or 1953. With

all this, everyone seem to be justifying the event based on the chart!

 

With all this confusion, I am not sure what are correct birth details of

Benezir.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

///I was hoping that you will comment on the methodology I followed to fix

the lagna and if any errors in that process. But, you may not have enough

time to spare.///

 

Unfortunately I am a little pushed for time today, being the weekend and

all...

However, I thought I could just try to point out (briefly) that we must

first establish the potential revealed in horoscope itself before looking

into transits etc..

No doubt, if the horoscope does not indicate certain possibilities, transits

(no matter how malefic) will not make it so. Transits may (only) bring to

fruition what is present in the horoscope.

 

///I have at least 20 charts to testify the validity of 'Bandhana Yoga'. The

charts belonging to range of people from Suu Kyi and Nelson mandela to

terrorists and murders.

I don't see bandhana yoga manifesting from Libra lagna.///

 

To the best of my knowledge 'Bandhana Yoga' is formed when both lagna lord

and 6th lord join in a kendra or trikona with either Saturn, Rahu or Ketu.

If we were to just consider seperate placement in any kendra or trikona

position I think most of the population might face imprisonment at some

time.

To ascertain the possibility of confinement we need to first consider the

house of confinement - are the indications there or not - this has to be our

first consideration.

 

If I'm not mistaken, there is no verifiable birthtime for either Suu Kyi or

Nelson Mandela. Having lived in Africa for many years I do know that births

were not recorded in rural africa - hence no birth certificate to even

confirm the date let alone the time.

I do have the chart of a native who has been imprisoned for life...he has

lagna lord in 2nd and 6th lord in 12th.

 

///But, please noticed that Mercury (6L) occupies the nakshatra of 12L

Jupiter and Mercury's companion Ketu occupies the nakshatra of karaka of

12th - Saturn. Both Mercury and Ketu are involved in the Bandhana Yoga! In

fact, the timing of her first arrest correspond to Jup-Sat period!///

 

I'll respond to this later if I may, Krishna :-)

 

///Though K N Rao supports libra lagna, I understand he uses June 23 as the

birth date. I have also not visited that site.///

 

Thank you for that! It does seem strange to me that the official date could

be wrong by two days. An error in converying information through a third

party seems more likely to be in error. All official sources give Jun 21 as

the date of birth...

Birth certificates are required for obtaining a passport, for enrolling in

university etc, etc.. I cannot see that wrong information would be recorded,

particularly considering the status of the family.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:42 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

I was hoping that you will comment on the methodology I followed to fix

the lagna and if any errors in that process. But, you may not have enough

time to spare.

 

She was frequently shunted between house arrest to prison cells (solitary

confinement). She has spent long periods in different prisons during this

period. I have not noted down the actual dates of movement between solitary

confinement and prison. However, there is a long document titled " From

prison to Prime Minister " which narrates these incidents. You can find it at

the following link:

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/944173/Benazir-Bhutto-From-Prison-to-Prime-Minister

 

Even Suu Kyi of Burma is also on house arrest most of the times and her

chart also shows 'Bandhana Yoga'. I have done some study on this and you can

find my report at the following link:

 

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/2007/07/bandhana-yoga-bandhana-yoga-is.html

 

I have at least 20 charts to testify the validity of 'Bandhana Yoga'. The

charts belonging to range of people from Suu Kyi and Nelson mandela to

terrorists and murders.

 

I don't see bandhana yoga manifesting from Libra lagna.

 

You have said that:

 

<<The Capricorn chart does not, in my opinion, indicate either confinement

or

exile with both 12th lord and its karaka occupying trines.>>

 

But, please noticed that Mercury (6L) occupies the nakshatra of 12L

Jupiter and Mercury's companion Ketu occupies the nakshatra of karaka of

12th - Saturn. Both Mercury and Ketu are involved in the Bandhana Yoga! In

fact, the timing of her first arrest correspond to Jup-Sat period!

 

Though K N Rao supports libra lagna, I understand he uses June 23 as the

birth date. I have also not visited that site.

 

Regards,

Krishna

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//To the best of my knowledge 'Bandhana Yoga' is formed when both lagna lord

and 6th lord join in a kendra or trikona with either Saturn, Rahu or Ketu. //

 

You are right. That is the classical definition. But, during my study, I have

observed that it is not necessary for the lagna lord and 6th lord to be in the

same house. Instead, even if they are in different houses, it is sufficient for

the sixth lord to afflict the lagna lord. In addition the same planet (out of

the trio Sat, rahu, Ketu) should afflict both lagna lord and 6th lord.

 

//If we were to just consider seperate placement in any kendra or trikona

position I think most of the population might face imprisonment at some time.//

 

Yes, it appears so. I am looking for such horoscopes and have not found it

yet. Some times even if such a combination exists in a chart, the native might

not go through the indicative dasha periods in his/her life.

 

//I do have the chart of a native who has been imprisoned for life...he has

lagna lord in 2nd and 6th lord in 12th//

 

Can you please share the birth details? The manifestation of Bandhana Yoga has

to be checked for both in Rasi and Bhava chart - as predominently, the relative

position of lagna lord and sixth lords with respect to lagna is important. This

is what B V Raman also stresses in his books, in general for all yogas.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Krishna,

 

///I was hoping that you will comment on the methodology I followed to fix

the lagna and if any errors in that process. But, you may not have enough

time to spare.///

 

Unfortunately I am a little pushed for time today, being the weekend and

all...

However, I thought I could just try to point out (briefly) that we must

first establish the potential revealed in horoscope itself before looking

into transits etc..

No doubt, if the horoscope does not indicate certain possibilities, transits

(no matter how malefic) will not make it so. Transits may (only) bring to

fruition what is present in the horoscope.

 

///I have at least 20 charts to testify the validity of 'Bandhana Yoga'. The

charts belonging to range of people from Suu Kyi and Nelson mandela to

terrorists and murders.

I don't see bandhana yoga manifesting from Libra lagna.///

 

To the best of my knowledge 'Bandhana Yoga' is formed when both lagna lord

and 6th lord join in a kendra or trikona with either Saturn, Rahu or Ketu.

If we were to just consider seperate placement in any kendra or trikona

position I think most of the population might face imprisonment at some

time.

To ascertain the possibility of confinement we need to first consider the

house of confinement - are the indications there or not - this has to be our

first consideration.

 

If I'm not mistaken, there is no verifiable birthtime for either Suu Kyi or

Nelson Mandela. Having lived in Africa for many years I do know that births

were not recorded in rural africa - hence no birth certificate to even

confirm the date let alone the time.

I do have the chart of a native who has been imprisoned for life...he has

lagna lord in 2nd and 6th lord in 12th.

 

///But, please noticed that Mercury (6L) occupies the nakshatra of 12L

Jupiter and Mercury's companion Ketu occupies the nakshatra of karaka of

12th - Saturn. Both Mercury and Ketu are involved in the Bandhana Yoga! In

fact, the timing of her first arrest correspond to Jup-Sat period!///

 

I'll respond to this later if I may, Krishna :-)

 

///Though K N Rao supports libra lagna, I understand he uses June 23 as the

birth date. I have also not visited that site.///

 

Thank you for that! It does seem strange to me that the official date could

be wrong by two days. An error in converying information through a third

party seems more likely to be in error. All official sources give Jun 21 as

the date of birth...

Birth certificates are required for obtaining a passport, for enrolling in

university etc, etc.. I cannot see that wrong information would be recorded,

particularly considering the status of the family.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:42 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Wendy,

 

I was hoping that you will comment on the methodology I followed to fix

the lagna and if any errors in that process. But, you may not have enough

time to spare.

 

She was frequently shunted between house arrest to prison cells (solitary

confinement). She has spent long periods in different prisons during this

period. I have not noted down the actual dates of movement between solitary

confinement and prison. However, there is a long document titled " From

prison to Prime Minister " which narrates these incidents. You can find it at

the following link:

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/944173/Benazir-Bhutto-From-Prison-to-Prime-Minister

 

Even Suu Kyi of Burma is also on house arrest most of the times and her

chart also shows 'Bandhana Yoga'. I have done some study on this and you can

find my report at the following link:

 

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/2007/07/bandhana-yoga-bandhana-yoga-is.html

 

I have at least 20 charts to testify the validity of 'Bandhana Yoga'. The

charts belonging to range of people from Suu Kyi and Nelson mandela to

terrorists and murders.

 

I don't see bandhana yoga manifesting from Libra lagna.

 

You have said that:

 

<<The Capricorn chart does not, in my opinion, indicate either confinement

or

exile with both 12th lord and its karaka occupying trines.>>

 

But, please noticed that Mercury (6L) occupies the nakshatra of 12L

Jupiter and Mercury's companion Ketu occupies the nakshatra of karaka of

12th - Saturn. Both Mercury and Ketu are involved in the Bandhana Yoga! In

fact, the timing of her first arrest correspond to Jup-Sat period!

 

Though K N Rao supports libra lagna, I understand he uses June 23 as the

birth date. I have also not visited that site.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

///You are right. That is the classical definition. But, during my study, I

have observed that it is not necessary for the lagna lord and 6th lord to be

in the same house. Instead, even if they are in different houses, it is

sufficient for the sixth lord to afflict the lagna lord. In addition the

same planet (out of the trio Sat, rahu, Ketu) should afflict both lagna lord

and 6th lord.///

 

Even after 20yrs of practice I still don't consider myself advanced enough

to contradict the wisdom behind these classical yogas... But, of course, I

can only speak for myself...others may certainly be more advanced than I am.

 

///Can you please share the birth details? The manifestation of Bandhana

Yoga has to be checked for both in Rasi and Bhava chart - as predominently,

the relative position of lagna lord and sixth lords with respect to lagna is

important.///

 

Martin Bryant

2 May 1967 (02:35)

Hobart, Tasmania

Australia

Lagna: 24:57:33 Aquarius

 

Your previous post:

///Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first

I would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. The

goal here is to see what are the signs severely affect by malefics during

those days.///

 

The first step in rectification is to determine the possibilities present in

the natal chart. Only after we're confident that a particular chart reflects

the life of the native can we move on to rectifying the time by confirming

major events through the vimsottari dasa system. We can (also) at this time

confirm events as seen in the divisional charts. But first let's be sure

that the chart in question reflects what we know about the native.

 

I would like you to consider several things and see how well they're

reflected in the chart you favour...

 

1) Ms Bhutto was considered to be quite beautiful. What influences are there

on lagna that would suggest this?

 

2) It is known that she suffered a lot with ear problems. How is this

reflected in the chart.

 

3) She spent many years studying abroad, in confinement and in self-imposed

exile. How is this reflected in the chart.

 

4) Her marriage was long lasting and her husband played a major role in her

political life. He also was accused of corruption and was imprisoned.

 

5) Two younger brothers died violently amidst suspicion they were executed.

 

6) Her father was executed (supposedly) by hanging.

 

7) She died violently (most definitely) at the hands of a cruel enemy.

 

Perhaps, if you have time, you could go through the chart you favour to see

how well these things are reflected. Once satisfied that these (and

others you might know of) are clearly reflected in the chart then, and only

then, are we ready to link major events with dasas/transits in order to

rectify the time.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Dear Ron,

 

///The main reason I was drawn to examine this chart was the combustion of

Mars.

I recently saw this in the chart of Australian Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd.

It is often possible to rectify the chart based on this condition( as

in Rudd’s case).///

 

What time are you using for Kevin Rudd? I looked briefly at a Capricorn

lagna but really haven't had a lot of time to think of other possibilities.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Ron Day " <ronkar

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:22 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

 

 

 

 

> >I would say she had very powerful enemies! Her government was

dismissed twice due to accusations of corruption - 6th lord in 8th house

of betrayals/accusations/scandals etc occupying nakshatra of Moon in

12th house of confinement - she was imprisoned due to these allegations

of corruption! <<

 

 

 

I haven’t studied much on what gives powerful enemies and whether they

can be defeated.

 

If the 12H/L is weak and afflicted then the native can have big

expenses. By analogy if the 6H/L is weak and afflicted then the native

can be overcome by enemies.

 

For the Libra ascendent 6L Ju is weakened in the 8H so enemies can take

hold. Ju is also 3rd lord and she lost a younger brother. Ju is also

debilitated in D6. Also Ju L6 in 8H gives death from enemies. But if Ju

is strong then defeat may not happen.

 

 

 

> >Note also Mars aspect on this (12th) house and the combined influence

of both SA/MA on 10th lord Moon. Mars is karaka for 6th

(competitors/rivals) and Saturn is karaka for 12th (secret enemies

etc)...note also that Saturn owns 8th from 10th (fall from position). Is

this strong enough cause for her to have been dismissed from office

(twice)? What do you think?<<

 

 

 

Saturn would need to be weak for this to happen. It is in 12th house but

Retrograde and in its own dasamsa D10. Dismissal may be due to the

late degree of the Mo L10 and its position in 12H. Ke the planet of

intrigues is in10H.

 

 

 

>In regards to courage: Consider lagnesh Venus, dispositor of 3rd/6th

lord, in own nakshatra and aspecting the ascendant. Would this suggest

she had the courage to rise above her competitors and keep fighting in

spite of the obstacles she faced? What do you think?<

 

 

 

Courage is often linked to malefic influences on 3H. Combust Mars

aspects 3H. The inner values of Mars such as passion, courage and

determination are enhanced by combustion in any case.

 

 

 

The main reason I was drawn to examine this chart was the combustion of

Mars.

 

I recently saw this in the chart of Australian Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd.

 

It is often possible to rectify the chart based on this condition( as

in Rudd’s case).

 

 

 

Interesting to note that Prof.Choudhry has given Bhutto a Scorpio

ascendent. This shows potential but does it show exile? For Scorpio the

12H is quite strong being aspected by its own lord Ve. For Libra asc 12L

Me is in mitra avasta and functional malefic Ju(depending on your

school), Ra and Ma aspects 12H cusp for 17 deg Libra. So Libra asc.

shows greater potential for imprisonment. The 12H for Libra asc is

extremely busy.

 

 

 

Quote--

 

“Scorpio is the right ascendant for late Ms Bhutto as Mars in 8th house

makes her father, her ownself, her elder brother and her younger brother

vulnerable to life threatening injuries as Mars from 8th aspects, 11H,

2H and third houses. The rising degree may need a little adjustment here

or there.”

 

 

 

 

 

I would still favour Libra since Librans often become interested in

politics since Saturn, a friend of Asc lord Ve rules the 4H( masses) and

5H of politics and is exalted in the Ascendant.

 

 

 

 

 

Ron

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Dear Wendy,

 

//Even after 20yrs of practice I still don't consider myself advanced enough

to contradict the wisdom behind these classical yogas... But, of course, I

can only speak for myself...others may certainly be more advanced than I am.//

 

I am not claiming that I am better than you or any one else for that matter.

What I have shared is what I have observed. In fact, when both lagna lord and

6th lord occupy the same house, the period of confinement seems to be longer

(more than one MD period). In other cases when they are not in the same house,

confinement ends for various reasons before the completion of a full MD period.

Again, this is what I have observed from many charts.

 

Thanks for sharing the details of Martin Bryant. You have given the birth date

as May 2nd. However, I notice that, on Wikipedia and other sources, the date is

given as May 7. Can you please mention your source?

 

Thanks for the points that you have mentioned in order to check even before

the checking the transits. I will take a look at them.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Krishna,

 

///You are right. That is the classical definition. But, during my study, I

have observed that it is not necessary for the lagna lord and 6th lord to be

in the same house. Instead, even if they are in different houses, it is

sufficient for the sixth lord to afflict the lagna lord. In addition the

same planet (out of the trio Sat, rahu, Ketu) should afflict both lagna lord

and 6th lord.///

 

Even after 20yrs of practice I still don't consider myself advanced enough

to contradict the wisdom behind these classical yogas... But, of course, I

can only speak for myself...others may certainly be more advanced than I am.

 

///Can you please share the birth details? The manifestation of Bandhana

Yoga has to be checked for both in Rasi and Bhava chart - as predominently,

the relative position of lagna lord and sixth lords with respect to lagna is

important.///

 

Martin Bryant

2 May 1967 (02:35)

Hobart, Tasmania

Australia

Lagna: 24:57:33 Aquarius

 

Your previous post:

///Since I am starting with a clean slate, with assumptions on lagna, first

I would like to study the transitions on some of the important dates. The

goal here is to see what are the signs severely affect by malefics during

those days.///

 

The first step in rectification is to determine the possibilities present in

the natal chart. Only after we're confident that a particular chart reflects

the life of the native can we move on to rectifying the time by confirming

major events through the vimsottari dasa system. We can (also) at this time

confirm events as seen in the divisional charts. But first let's be sure

that the chart in question reflects what we know about the native.

 

I would like you to consider several things and see how well they're

reflected in the chart you favour...

 

1) Ms Bhutto was considered to be quite beautiful. What influences are there

on lagna that would suggest this?

 

2) It is known that she suffered a lot with ear problems. How is this

reflected in the chart.

 

3) She spent many years studying abroad, in confinement and in self-imposed

exile. How is this reflected in the chart.

 

4) Her marriage was long lasting and her husband played a major role in her

political life. He also was accused of corruption and was imprisoned.

 

5) Two younger brothers died violently amidst suspicion they were executed.

 

6) Her father was executed (supposedly) by hanging.

 

7) She died violently (most definitely) at the hands of a cruel enemy.

 

Perhaps, if you have time, you could go through the chart you favour to see

how well these things are reflected. Once satisfied that these (and

others you might know of) are clearly reflected in the chart then, and only

then, are we ready to link major events with dasas/transits in order to

rectify the time.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Dear Krishna,

 

///I am not claiming that I am better than you or any one else for that

matter. What I have shared is what I have observed. In fact, when both lagna

lord and 6th lord occupy the same house, the period of confinement seems to

be longer (more than one MD period). In other cases when they are not in the

same house, confinement ends for various reasons before the completion of a

full MD period. Again, this is what I have observed from many charts.///

 

What I'm saying is that 'Bandhana Yoga' is formed under certain conditions

and altering these conditions would, in my opinion, render that particular

yoga null and void.

Having said that, 6th house itself does have an association with blame,

dejection, dishonour, imprisonment etc (ref: Light on Life) and, obviously,

lagnesh afflicted by 6th lord can indicate all sorts of problems (distress,

difficulties etc)...but not necessarily imprisonment unless the rest of the

chart supports this...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

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Monday, December 31, 2007 2:25 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

//Even after 20yrs of practice I still don't consider myself advanced

enough

to contradict the wisdom behind these classical yogas... But, of course, I

can only speak for myself...others may certainly be more advanced than I

am.//

 

I am not claiming that I am better than you or any one else for that

matter. What I have shared is what I have observed. In fact, when both lagna

lord and 6th lord occupy the same house, the period of confinement seems to

be longer (more than one MD period). In other cases when they are not in the

same house, confinement ends for various reasons before the completion of a

full MD period. Again, this is what I have observed from many charts.

 

Thanks for sharing the details of Martin Bryant. You have given the birth

date as May 2nd. However, I notice that, on Wikipedia and other sources, the

date is given as May 7. Can you please mention your source?

 

Thanks for the points that you have mentioned in order to check even

before the checking the transits. I will take a look at them.

 

Regards,

Krishna

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Dear Wendy,

 

//6th house itself does have an association with blame,

dejection, dishonour, imprisonment etc (ref: Light on Life) and, obviously,

lagnesh afflicted by 6th lord can indicate all sorts of problems (distress,

difficulties etc)...but not necessarily imprisonment unless the rest of the

chart supports this...//

 

Well, we are not talking about just the affliction of lagna lord by 6th lord.

If it is only that much, what you have stated is correct.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Krishna,

 

///I am not claiming that I am better than you or any one else for that

matter. What I have shared is what I have observed. In fact, when both lagna

lord and 6th lord occupy the same house, the period of confinement seems to

be longer (more than one MD period). In other cases when they are not in the

same house, confinement ends for various reasons before the completion of a

full MD period. Again, this is what I have observed from many charts.///

 

What I'm saying is that 'Bandhana Yoga' is formed under certain conditions

and altering these conditions would, in my opinion, render that particular

yoga null and void.

Having said that, 6th house itself does have an association with blame,

dejection, dishonour, imprisonment etc (ref: Light on Life) and, obviously,

lagnesh afflicted by 6th lord can indicate all sorts of problems (distress,

difficulties etc)...but not necessarily imprisonment unless the rest of the

chart supports this...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, December 31, 2007 2:25 PM

Re: Assasination of Benazir Bhutto(a sorrowful day)

 

Dear Wendy,

 

//Even after 20yrs of practice I still don't consider myself advanced

enough

to contradict the wisdom behind these classical yogas... But, of course, I

can only speak for myself...others may certainly be more advanced than I

am.//

 

I am not claiming that I am better than you or any one else for that

matter. What I have shared is what I have observed. In fact, when both lagna

lord and 6th lord occupy the same house, the period of confinement seems to

be longer (more than one MD period). In other cases when they are not in the

same house, confinement ends for various reasons before the completion of a

full MD period. Again, this is what I have observed from many charts.

 

Thanks for sharing the details of Martin Bryant. You have given the birth

date as May 2nd. However, I notice that, on Wikipedia and other sources, the

date is given as May 7. Can you please mention your source?

 

Thanks for the points that you have mentioned in order to check even

before the checking the transits. I will take a look at them.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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KINDLY PREDICT WHEN THIS HIGH GROWING POPULATION IN INDIA AS WELL AS IN THE

WORLD WILL BECOME LESS THAN HALF????

 

PL. PREDICT WHEN DOOMS DAY WILL COME?? TO SAVE THIS EARTH FROM OVER CROWDING.

 

REGARDS

 

Ali muhammed khan <shams0072000 wrote:

Hi to All Esteemed leaders

 

this is regarding the martyr of Benazir bhutto the

esteemed leader of sub continent the great

represantive of pakistan in all the world in occult

she was afflicted by the mars as u can see she has

come on 18th october 2007 and there was a bomb blast

on that day also and today 27 december again 9 is the

ruling number and she was in her 54th year and

accordig to my research her accurate data is

21 june 1952 14.30 kar

so u can see that mars is on lagna and aspecting 8th

and moon in 8th but exalted in 9th ve,mer,sun her

father was a great leader and highly intillectual

person in history of politics im very sorrowful at

this ocassion but what God has hidden in message of

stars has to take place another thing that a mystery

is there in bhutto family and gandhi family that any

of there family or blood who will be in politics and

have popularity among masses his/her death will be un

natural like indra gandhi ,rajiv gandhi,zulfiqar ali

bhutto and now BENAZIR BHUTTO so i think soniya is

against the to become PM

 

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