Do Yogas fructify ? Yes or No.

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They do.

But one should know how to see them.

If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart,

as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only it

would fructify, otherwise not.

 

Normally people see PanchMahapurusha Yogas,

Gajakesari Yogas, Raj Yogas, and Dhanayogas

etcetra from the Natal Chartand keep on waiting

till the end of their Life,waiting for the Yoga

to happen or manifest.They remain Euphoric

with the knowledge of these Yogas in their chart,

which unfortunately never becomes active.

 

For instance if Jupiter is in Kendra from the Moon

and thus forms Gajakesari Yoga apparently, but

on closer examination of the Bhava Chalit chart, if Jupiter

moves from the Kendra and occupies the succedent houses,

then this Yoga would actually stand defunct.

 

If for a Leo nativity, Mercury is placed in the 11th

House as Lord of the 2nd and 11th alongwith the Sun,

then there should be a Dhana Yoga par excellence, but if

in BhavaChalit the Mercury , moves to the 12th or

the 10th, then where is this Yoga ? All Dhana would

be spent in Bhoga instead with nothing remaining in hand .

 

Therefore let us not take Yogas at Face value. The

Rishis were not fools to give all knowledge easily

available in the shlokas for every Tom Dick and Harry to

understand. The subtle meanings have to be understood only

through experience, intutuion and study of thousands of

charts, alongwith a learning state of mind open to

flexibilities and concepts not yet learnt. neither

are the Shastras wrong, nor the Traditional astrology.

 

We are lucky to have learnt KP whatever we know and

are learning. In fact Nakshatra was the key to predictions

thousands of years before they switched to Raashi

predictions as this was the easy way out. They started

with Raashi plus Nakshatra based readings, but later on

the Nakshatra part was taken off, due to its requirement

of excersising the brains, and intense study involved,

luckily our Master Krishna Murthy ji brought the ancient

glory and revived it once again and defintely the KP

astrologers are today able to predict much better than

their traditional counterparts, because on the way the

traditional astrologers shed away the hard part, and

found it easy to read through which planet placed in

which house and sign. Thats all. But this does not

mean that Yogas do not work. They do if one

knows how to observe them. I hope now all the KP

astrologers would once again check these Yogas in

the Bhava Chalit too, and if so, then find out whether

it really stays in the natives Life. No harm in picking

up what works and ignoring what does not.

 

Sorry for the positive note on Yogas, though this Forum

is KP, but remember that good can be picked from anywhere,

and Traditional astrology is the source of KP,

and the Placidus House system which we use from the

Westerners too has been picked up because of its utility.

Here we would be picking from our own storehouse.

( Placidus is apparently a Western House division,

though I beg to differ, but will not comment now

due to lack of authentic proof )

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

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Dear Bhaskar, K.P. does not recognise any type of "Yogas"...there are umpteen numbers of charts wher persons having Panch Mahapurusha Yogas etc., are actually suffering from penury...and the reverse examples also exist in great numbers...people with "Daridra Yogas" who are actually millionnaires or even billionnaires... Our late Guruji Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji has given quite a few examples of both, in his readers... Traditional astrology needs to grow out of these strongly believed-in combinations,as most of the time they prove to be

misleading...the same holds true about the many Raja Yogas et al...being bandied about... It is the sub-lord of the Ascendant,which helps one to accurately estimate the wealth one is destined to enjoy,as per his past Karma...such a method was the great discovery of KSK... Provided that the Birth Time is correct as per K.P.,and one uses the K.P. Ayanamsa,else one could go woefully wrong...as is often seen among practitioners of traditional astrology... Study K.P., forget traditional astrology... L.Y.Rao. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: They do.But one should know how to see them.If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart, as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only it would fructify, otherwise not.Normally people see PanchMahapurusha Yogas, Gajakesari Yogas, Raj Yogas, and Dhanayogas etcetra from the Natal

Chartand keep on waitingtill the end of their Life,waiting for the Yogato happen or manifest.They remain Euphoric with the knowledge of these Yogas in their chart,which unfortunately never becomes active.For instance if Jupiter is in Kendra from the Moonand thus forms Gajakesari Yoga apparently, buton closer examination of the Bhava Chalit chart, if Jupitermoves from the Kendra and occupies the succedent houses,then this Yoga would actually stand defunct.If for a Leo nativity, Mercury is placed in the 11thHouse as Lord of the 2nd and 11th alongwith the Sun,then there should be a Dhana Yoga par excellence, but ifin BhavaChalit the Mercury , moves to the 12th orthe 10th, then where is this Yoga ? All Dhana wouldbe spent in Bhoga instead with nothing remaining in hand .Therefore let us not take Yogas at Face value. The Rishis were not fools to give all knowledge easily available in the shlokas

for every Tom Dick and Harry tounderstand. The subtle meanings have to be understood onlythrough experience, intutuion and study of thousands of charts, alongwith a learning state of mind open toflexibilities and concepts not yet learnt. neitherare the Shastras wrong, nor the Traditional astrology.We are lucky to have learnt KP whatever we know and are learning. In fact Nakshatra was the key to predictionsthousands of years before they switched to Raashi predictions as this was the easy way out. They startedwith Raashi plus Nakshatra based readings, but later on the Nakshatra part was taken off, due to its requirementof excersising the brains, and intense study involved,luckily our Master Krishna Murthy ji brought the ancient glory and revived it once again and defintely the logers are today able to predict much better than their traditional counterparts, because on the way the traditional

astrologers shed away the hard part, andfound it easy to read through which planet placed in which house and sign. Thats all. But this does notmean that Yogas do not work. They do if oneknows how to observe them. I hope now all the logers would once again check these Yogas inthe Bhava Chalit too, and if so, then find out whetherit really stays in the natives Life. No harm in pickingup what works and ignoring what does not. Sorry for the positive note on Yogas, though this Forum is KP, but remember that good can be picked from anywhere,and Traditional astrology is the source of KP,and the Placidus House system which we use from theWesterners too has been picked up because of its utility.Here we would be picking from our own storehouse.( Placidus is apparently a Western House division, though I beg to differ, but will not comment nowdue to lack of authentic proof

)regards,Bhaskar.

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Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,Your entire message is good except the last sentence "study K.P, forget traditional astrology". There are umpteen number of systems, methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in person.Good Luck.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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hi friends,

namaskar

i am learning astrology & regularly going through

these discussions. i learnt many good things but still

want more.

i fully agree with above statements. i have seen many

kundalies showing good yogas but giving negative

results.

these type of discussions give right directions

i don't find myself able to give astrological

reactions because i am still a learner.

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neelamji,

 

nice 2cu humble. we r all learners. yogas r created when

two planets conjunct in same constellation .....maybe in different

sub. there r many other concepts for considering yogas. yes..yogas do

frutify.....u jst need to understand kp fully....itz amazingly

truthful method.focus only on kp......u,ll come 2 know da truth.

goodluck.

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Dear Mr.Naidu, Traditional astrology, as is presently advocated and followed by a number of "schools of astrology",has been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on K.P., which is based on traditional astrology,and is the "new improved and more accurate system of astrology..." My comment referred-to, by you,was given in this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted then,and

attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to begin learning K.P. System...all anew... Traditional system still continues promote"yogas",exaltation, debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales etc., making traditional astrology a "bhel" of unproven/untested yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P.... I hope you now understand my comments in the right context... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,Your entire message is good except the last sentence "study K.P, forget traditional astrology". There are umpteen number of systems, methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in person.Good Luck.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.

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Dear Lajmi ji and Friends,

 

I have few clarifications to make here -

 

What Lajmi ji has mentioned here is his personal views and not exactly forum's view points. I believe that Shri Lajmi ji went a little more aggressive on traditional astrology. Here is the forum's stand point -

 

 

 

 

Please don't try to prove superiority of one branch of astrology over another. In this group, all branches should be treated with equal respect. Respect for other branches is essential for research and discussion. (taken from " forum constitution " file found at Forum/.

We should avoid discussing accuracy or inaccuracy or other branches or astrology because those are not the topic for discussion for this forum. The objective of this forum is to discuss, research and learn KP System.

 

I also feel that it is not a good idea to revisit what has already proven wrong by Guruji Shri KSK. For example, Shri KSK has devoted a lot of time on Deblitated/ Exalted planets, yoga etc. and to me it doesn't make much sense to discuss them once again. There are tongs of topics to explore and we should not spend our energies on something which is already discussed. On the other side, he also suggested us to keep an open mind and take the best from wherever we can. Guruji has himself done so by picking up best from all branches of astrology and we should do the same.

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

On Dec 26, 2007 12:24 AM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Naidu,

Traditional astrology, as is presently advocated and followed by a number of " schools of astrology " ,has been thoroughly proven to be vague and inaccurate,prediction-wise,as compared to the pinpoint and precise predictions based on

K.P., which is based on traditional astrology,and is the " new improved and more accurate system of astrology... "

My comment referred-to, by you,was given in this context...I have myself studied traditional astrology, the B.V.Raman's school and practised it for long years...and was so disillusoned with astrology,that I gave up astrology...untill I met Shri K.S. Krishnamurthiji himself at Bhopal,where I was posted then,and attended his 3-day seminar...and immediately I decided to begin learning K.P. System...all anew...

Traditional system still continues promote " yogas " ,exaltation,

debilitation,and so many now-proven-to-be-without-any-rationales etc., making traditional astrology a " bhel " of unproven/untested yogas,each contradicting the other...and so on and on and on...No body has tried to even discard the old worn-out ideas not applicable presently...leading to confusion worse confounded......hence I am of the firm belief that traditional astrology confuses more than it teaches...hence I sincerely recommend people desirous of learning K.P., to delearn traditional astrology before learning K.P....

I hope you now understand my comments in the right context...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

" K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote:

 

 

Dear Mr.LY Rao garu,Your entire message is good except the last sentence " study K.P, forget traditional astrology " . There are umpteen number of systems, methods and believes in Astrology. I feel it is not correct to say that what I believe/practice is correct and all others are incorrect. similarly in medical science. similarly in religion and so on so forth. Knowledge is more than a ocean. what man knows is a speck in the ocean. With that speck of knowledge one should not feel he is correct. There is still a lot of unknown science either in astrology or in any other field man has yet to know/discover. Hope the above may kindly be taken in its true spirit not in person.Good Luck.KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

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Thank you Mr.Pandeyji for your kind clarification in proper way and in right sense. KP naiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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Dear Mr.Rao garu, It is your personal view point. Thank you for clarification. Happy New Year. KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

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The real criteriea is planet,s position degree wise.For example for Gajkesri Jup. & Moon should be 90 degrees+/-5degrees.(or180degrees).If a yoga refers to conjunction it should be close say within 5 degrees.If the planets are say 20 degrees apart the conjuntion is not effective even if they are in same sign or cusp.

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Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Do Yogas fructify ? Yes or No. Date: Saturday, 22 December, 2007, 12:13 AM

 

 

They do.But one should know how to see them.If a Yoga persists both in the Natal Chart, as well as the Cuspal Chart, then only it would fructify, otherwise not.Normally people see PanchMahapurusha Yogas, Gajakesari Yogas, Raj Yogas, and Dhanayogas etcetra from the Natal Chartand keep on waitingtill the end of their Life,waiting for the Yogato happen or manifest.They remain Euphoric with the knowledge of these Yogas in their chart,which unfortunately never becomes active..For instance if Jupiter is in Kendra from the Moonand thus forms Gajakesari Yoga apparently, buton closer examination of the Bhava Chalit chart, if Jupitermoves from the Kendra and occupies the succedent houses,then this Yoga would actually stand defunct.If for a Leo nativity, Mercury is placed in the 11thHouse as Lord of the 2nd and 11th alongwith the Sun,then there should be a Dhana Yoga par

excellence, but ifin BhavaChalit the Mercury , moves to the 12th orthe 10th, then where is this Yoga ? All Dhana wouldbe spent in Bhoga instead with nothing remaining in hand .Therefore let us not take Yogas at Face value. The Rishis were not fools to give all knowledge easily available in the shlokas for every Tom Dick and Harry tounderstand. The subtle meanings have to be understood onlythrough experience, intutuion and study of thousands of charts, alongwith a learning state of mind open toflexibilities and concepts not yet learnt. neitherare the Shastras wrong, nor the Traditional astrology.We are lucky to have learnt KP whatever we know and are learning. In fact Nakshatra was the key to predictionsthousands of years before they switched to Raashi predictions as this was the easy way out. They startedwith Raashi plus Nakshatra based readings, but later on the Nakshatra part

was taken off, due to its requirementof excersising the brains, and intense study involved,luckily our Master Krishna Murthy ji brought the ancient glory and revived it once again and defintely the logers are today able to predict much better than their traditional counterparts, because on the way the traditional astrologers shed away the hard part, andfound it easy to read through which planet placed in which house and sign. Thats all. But this does notmean that Yogas do not work. They do if oneknows how to observe them. I hope now all the logers would once again check these Yogas inthe Bhava Chalit too, and if so, then find out whetherit really stays in the natives Life. No harm in pickingup what works and ignoring what does not. Sorry for the positive note on Yogas, though this Forum is KP, but remember that good can be picked from anywhere,and Traditional astrology

is the source of KP,and the Placidus House system which we use from theWesterners too has been picked up because of its utility.Here we would be picking from our own storehouse.( Placidus is apparently a Western House division, though I beg to differ, but will not comment nowdue to lack of authentic proof )regards,Bhaskar.

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