Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ?

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Dear Friends,

 

For a Leo Ascendant,

which planet signifies the Mother and which

planet signifies the Father ?

 

I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship

and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about

these matters, but I am looking for the answer

to the above Query. So please explain me

with refrence to the House Lordships please.

 

In case both the Lords are the same, like in

above case, how should one proceed and judge

which planet represents the Father and the Mother

in Specially a Leo nativity ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

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Sir for leo lagna bothare same one planet mars in my openion we can sonsider the cuspalsub lords of 4th for mother and 9th for fsather thanking you santaboorla Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Friends,For a Leo Ascendant,which planet signifies the Mother and whichplanet signifies the Father ?I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordshipand the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and aboutthese matters, but I am looking for the answerto the above Query. So please explain mewith refrence to the House Lordships please.In case both the Lords are the same, like in above case, how should one proceed and judge which planet represents the Father and the Motherin Specially a Leo nativity ?regards,Bhaskar.www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

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II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear Bhaskar ji,

Very interesting question indeed.

OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

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Bhaskar

Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM

Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ?

 

 

Dear Friends,For a Leo Ascendant,which planet signifies the Mother and whichplanet signifies the Father ?I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordshipand the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and aboutthese matters, but I am looking for the answerto the above Query. So please explain mewith refrence to the House Lordships please.In case both the Lords are the same, like in above case, how should one proceed and judge which planet represents the Father and the Motherin Specially a Leo nativity ?regards,Bhaskar.www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

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Dear Swamiji, The IV cusp represents the Mother and the IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in mind...I hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as each sub is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the cusps under discussion... With kind regards, L.Y.Rao.swami wrote: II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear Bhaskar ji, Very interesting question indeed. OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction! - Bhaskar Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ? Dear Friends,For a Leo Ascendant,which planet signifies the Mother and whichplanet signifies the Father ?I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordshipand the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and aboutthese matters, but I am looking for the answerto the above Query. So please explain

mewith refrence to the House Lordships please.In case both the Lords are the same, like in above case, how should one proceed and judge which planet represents the Father and the Motherin Specially a Leo nativity ?regards,Bhaskar.www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

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II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear sir,

Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?

Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.

So i said .Very interesting question.

In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but It was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while posting , He did knew answer too well.

In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.

In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is just a constituent.

But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one tries to answer by mixing .

thanks and regards. OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

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Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM

Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ?

 

 

 

Dear Swamiji,

The IV cusp represents the Mother and the IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in mind...I hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as each sub is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the cusps under discussion...

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear Bhaskar ji,

Very interesting question indeed.

OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

-

Bhaskar

Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM

Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ?

 

 

Dear Friends,For a Leo Ascendant,which planet signifies the Mother and whichplanet signifies the Father ?I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordshipand the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and aboutthese matters, but I am looking for the answerto the above Query. So please explain mewith refrence to the House Lordships please.In case both the Lords are the same, like in above case, how should one proceed and judge which planet represents the Father and the Motherin Specially a Leo nativity ?regards,Bhaskar.www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

 

 

 

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Dear Swamiji,

 

You are right, my question was too simple, but the

answer was not available , because the answer is elusive.

I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as you

rightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp under

consideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even the

self-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.

 

For Leo ascendant -

In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, and

the 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same planet.

This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected then

whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the mother,

or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka planet ,

then even younger brother would come in.

Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect the

corresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or Younger

Brother ?

 

Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship

would in 95% of the case, would go to the same planet Mars.

Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator for

The Mother or the Father ?

 

Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps

would give separate effects in both the cases, of results in Mothers

Life, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable, but

again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the actual

Prime signification for Mother and Father respectively

in the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of these

Houses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this would

be a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth Ascendant is

rectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right answer.

And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.

There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered. Ultimately

most of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets, then what is

Left finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in extreme cases

the Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical excersises

with 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of the

astrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment after having

done rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the Cusps

are rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same in both

cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate results,

but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not the actual

Planets representing Mother or Father which would be wrong

by any stretch of imagination and definition.

 

Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did not

come forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,

in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as representing

Mother, and which as Father.

 

Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection in Kp

by many senior astrologers, an assessment made by themselves, I

have to say, that few months back I had put up my own Birth Chart

and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet Rahu, which

they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in Ketus

Nakshatra.

And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra.

 

I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would go better

for

me or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again they

could not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my Chart are in

same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own Guru ,

Mr.Sahasne,

of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and also

confirmed by the

book of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt. The book has

given clear cut examples how one should look at the SubLord in case

2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is same

then one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is signifying

benefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs would

be good, and if the other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord is

malefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result. Here again the 4step

theory

which is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4 Step, also

comes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord, whether any

planet

is in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned by the

Sub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there and

strength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..

 

I advice and request the seniors to accept that their knowledge as not

complete, when such occasions arise, and not give round about answers,

when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this does not

deter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The experienced

and seniors would still be always respected, because we

know that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.

This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in the hands of

imperfect

humans. Therefore to strive to move ahead is the right approach.

 

There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at many

levels in study and application of Astrological principles, as well

as these limitations also persist and remain within individual

perception of individual astrologers having their own demarcation

Lines of intelligence and Logic which would move no further

after the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current Dasha.

The " know all " attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KP

a bad name and we must always understand and remember that

senior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a Senior

astrologer, and neither having spent n number of years in

astrology. There are certainly other factors like intuition and

spiritual

levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but would

ever

remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary stress

has to be there, combined with humility of acceptance when a problem

is not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept it.

I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers not to

look down

upon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from where we

have picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra rulers

etcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too if checked

by

some research oriented astrologer may be found to be the

part of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in Sayana

astrology, who were the residents of India practising astrology

before the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi principles

too have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I respect

Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in the

traditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All forms

of asrology have to be respected and all forms of divination

and prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior to all,

but the others may not be called inferior nor those practising

these other methods as we are from a Secular Culture and

Indians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindedness

and large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects on Earth.

Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so is the

traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any superiority

complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.

 

Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages across to few,

for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your faith in the

sensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in reading this

long mail.

 

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, <swami wrote:

>

>

> II Om Gurave Namah II

> Hari om ,

> Dear sir,

> Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?

> Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.

> So i said .Very interesting question.

> In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but It

was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while posting ,

He did knew answer too well.

> In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.

> In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is just a

constituent.

> But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one

tries to answer by mixing .

> thanks and regards.

>

> OM TATSAT

> ------------------------

> swami_rcs

> ------------------------

> Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

>

> -

> Yogesh Rao Lajmi

>

> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM

> Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for

Leo nativity ?

>

>

>

> Dear Swamiji,

> The IV cusp represents the Mother and the

IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the

respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in mind...I

hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as each sub

is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the

cusps under discussion...

> With kind regards,

> L.Y.Rao.

>

> swami wrote:

>

> II Om Gurave Namah II

> Hari om ,

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> Very interesting question indeed.

> OM TATSAT

> ------------------------

> swami_rcs

> ------------------------

> Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

>

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM

> Mother and Father - Which Planet for

Leo nativity ?

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> For a Leo Ascendant,

> which planet signifies the Mother and which

> planet signifies the Father ?

>

> I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship

> and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about

> these matters, but I am looking for the answer

> to the above Query. So please explain me

> with refrence to the House Lordships please.

>

> In case both the Lords are the same, like in

> above case, how should one proceed and judge

> which planet represents the Father and the Mother

> in Specially a Leo nativity ?

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

> www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

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Dear Bhaskar, I have already informed you that every cusp is ruled by for planets,Sign-lord,St.lord,Sub-lord,sub-sub-lord...a careful analysis of these cusps will bring out the differences...! L.Y.Rao.Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear

Swamiji,You are right, my question was too simple, but theanswer was not available , because the answer is elusive.I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as yourightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp underconsideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even theself-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.For Leo ascendant -In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, andthe 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same planet.This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected then whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the mother,or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka planet ,then even younger brother would come in.Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect thecorresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or YoungerBrother ?Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship would in 95% of

the case, would go to the same planet Mars.Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator forThe Mother or the Father ?Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps would give separate effects in both the cases, of results in MothersLife, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable, but again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the actualPrime signification for Mother and Father respectivelyin the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of theseHouses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this wouldbe a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth Ascendant isrectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right answer. And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered. Ultimatelymost of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets, then what isLeft finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in

extreme casesthe Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical excersiseswith 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of theastrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment after havingdone rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the Cuspsare rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same in both cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate results,but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not the actualPlanets representing Mother or Father which would be wrongby any stretch of imagination and definition. Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did notcome forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as representingMother, and which as Father.Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection in Kpby many senior astrologers, an assessment made by themselves, Ihave to say,

that few months back I had put up my own Birth Chart and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet Rahu, which they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in Ketus Nakshatra.And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra. I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would go better forme or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again theycould not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my Chart are in same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own Guru , Mr.Sahasne,of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and also confirmed by thebook of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt. The book hasgiven clear cut examples how one should look at the SubLord in case2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is samethen one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is signifyingbenefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs wouldbe good, and if the

other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord ismalefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result. Here again the 4step theorywhich is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4 Step, alsocomes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord, whether any planetis in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned by theSub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there andstrength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..I advice and request the seniors to accept that their knowledge as notcomplete, when such occasions arise, and not give round about answers,when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this does notdeter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The experiencedand seniors would still be always respected, because weknow that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in the hands of imperfect humans. Therefore

to strive to move ahead is the right approach. There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at manylevels in study and application of Astrological principles, as well as these limitations also persist and remain within individualperception of individual astrologers having their own demarcationLines of intelligence and Logic which would move no furtherafter the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current Dasha.The "know all" attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KPa bad name and we must always understand and remember thatsenior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a Seniorastrologer, and neither having spent n number of years inastrology. There are certainly other factors like intuition and spiritual levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but would ever remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary stresshas to be there, combined with humility

of acceptance when a problemis not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept it.I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers not to look downupon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from where wehave picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra rulersetcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too if checked by some research oriented astrologer may be found to be thepart of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in Sayanaastrology, who were the residents of India practising astrologybefore the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi principlestoo have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I respect Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in thetraditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All formsof asrology have to be respected and all forms of divinationand prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior

to all,but the others may not be called inferior nor those practisingthese other methods as we are from a Secular Culture andIndians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindednessand large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects on Earth.Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so is the traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any superiority complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages across to few,for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your faith in thesensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in reading this long mail.best wishes,Bhaskar. , <swami wrote:>> > II Om Gurave Namah II> Hari om ,> Dear sir,> Before replying,I saw from where

question is coming?> Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.> So i said .Very interesting question.> In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but It was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while posting , He did knew answer too well.> In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.> In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is just a constituent.> But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one tries to answer by mixing .> thanks and regards.> > OM TATSAT> ------------------------> swami_rcs> ------------------------ > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > our sins, and guide us

in the right direction!> > - > Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM> Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ?> > > > Dear Swamiji,> The IV cusp represents the Mother and the IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in mind...I hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as each sub is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the cusps under discussion...> With kind regards,> L.Y.Rao.> > swami wrote:> > II Om Gurave Namah II> Hari om ,> Dear Bhaskar ji,> Very interesting question indeed.> OM TATSAT>

------------------------> swami_rcs> ------------------------ > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > - > Bhaskar > > Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM> Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ?> > > Dear Friends,> > For a Leo Ascendant,> which planet signifies the Mother and which> planet signifies the Father ?> > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship> and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about> these matters, but I am looking for

the answer> to the above Query. So please explain me> with refrence to the House Lordships please.> > In case both the Lords are the same, like in > above case, how should one proceed and judge > which planet represents the Father and the Mother> in Specially a Leo nativity ?> > regards,> Bhaskar.> www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > --> Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.>

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, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > > Dear Swamiji,> > You are right, my question was too simple, but the> answer was not available , because the answer is elusive.> I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as you> rightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp under> consideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even the> self-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.> > For Leo ascendant -> In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, and> the 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same planet.> This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected then > whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the mother,> or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka planet ,> then even younger brother would come in.> Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect the> corresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or Younger> Brother ?> > Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship > would in 95% of the case, would go to the same planet Mars.> Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator for> The Mother or the Father ?> > Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps > would give separate effects in both the cases, of results in Mothers> Life, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable, but > again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the actual> Prime signification for Mother and Father respectively> in the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of these> Houses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this would> be a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth Ascendant is> rectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right answer. > And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.> There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered. Ultimately> most of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets, then what is> Left finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in extreme cases> the Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical excersises> with 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of the> astrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment after having> done rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the Cusps> are rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same in both > cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate results,> but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not the actual> Planets representing Mother or Father which would be wrong> by any stretch of imagination and definition.

> Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did not> come forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,> in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as representing> Mother, and which as Father.>

 

In KP this issue does not arise as the 9th cuspal sublord is considered for finding out all about father. The accuracy of birth time and rectification are different issues which can not be solved in a manner to be acceptable to the majority of astrologers.

 

> Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection in Kp> by many senior astrologers, an assessment made by themselves, I> have to say, that few months back I had put up my own Birth Chart > and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet Rahu, which > they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in Ketus > Nakshatra.> And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra. > > I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would go better > for> me or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again they> could not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my Chart are in > same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own Guru , > Mr.Sahasne,> of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and also > confirmed by the> book of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt. The book has> given clear cut examples how one should look at the SubLord in case> 2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is same> then one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is signifying> benefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs would> be good, and if the other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord is> malefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result.

 

Regarding Bhaskar's chart, June 28, 1961, 10:14 AM, Eluru, AP, 16N44, 81E09, NKPA, Asc Leo 15:50:40, Mar Leo 06: 18:14, Rah Leo 06:40:37 and both planets in the same star of Ket and same sub of Rah, the following standard KP signification is well known to any KP learners:

 

Plt Ma(12,4,9) is in the star of Ket(12,6,4,9,5,7,10) and in the sub of Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9) by taking into account of Rah is agent of Sun & Mar and Ket is agent of Mar & Sat, and no planet is in the star of Sat.

 

Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars, Rahu is stronger than Mars.

Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition, it will also strongly give the result of its starlord Ket(12) and normally the result of its signlord Sun(10,1).

 

This rule of pointing out which of the two planets will be favorable on the basic of sub-sub lord is found in Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani, page 42 as well as Astrosecrets and KP Part II, page 179. With due respect to Shri Bhatt as the best narrator of KP, this rule is still open to empirical research. For example, for Example chart-1 in this Bhatt's book, Male, July 7, 1912, 20:42 PM IST, 23N02, 72E35, NKPA 22:32:44, Asc Cap 12:28:12, Sun Gem 22:32:38, Ven Gem 22:57:58 and both planets in the same star of Jup and same sub of Sat, it is not clear whether Ven Dasa giving first job, marriage, 3 children, one time regular promotion is unfavorable for being in the sub-sub of Sun(6,8) and Sun Dasa giving one more child, one more ordinary promotion and father's death is favorable for being in the sub-sub of Ven(6,5,10). For Christina Onassis's AA chart, Dec 11, 1950, 20:00 PM, New York, NY, 40N43,74W00, NKPA 23:04:55, Asc Can 12:45:50, Moo Cap 03:32:38, Mar 04:19:07 and both planets in the same star of Sun, same sub Sat, it is not found the Dasa lord Mar to be more favorable by being in the sub-sub of Moo(6,1) than Dasa lord Moo in the sub-sub of Mer(6,4,12).as her happy family life in the Moo Dasa was destroyed due to father's second marriage, her own marriage to stay away from father and divorce in the Mars Dasa.

 

 

 

Here again the 4step > theory> which is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4 Step, also> comes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord, whether any > planet> is in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned by the> Sub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there and> strength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..

 

It would be helpful to try it emperically on some examples, if it could be provided how the sub-sub idea be incorporated "practically" as also suggested before in the following four step significators:

 

For Bhaskar chart,

 

Planet Ma+: 12

Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

Sublord of Ma is Ra:

Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

 

Planet Ra:

Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj Me{10,

2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

Sublord of Ra is Ra:

Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj Me{10,

2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

 

For Bhatt's Example chart-1,

 

Planet Ve+: 6; 5; Cnj Su(6)

Starlord of Ve is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7

Sublord of Ve is Sa:

Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

 

Planet Su:

Starlord of Su is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7

Sublord of Su is Sa:

Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

 

> I advice and request the seniors to accept that their knowledge as not> complete, when such occasions arise, and not give round about answers,> when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this does not> deter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The experienced> and seniors would still be always respected, because we> know that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.> This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in the hands of > imperfect > humans. Therefore to strive to move ahead is the right approach. > > There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at many> levels in study and application of Astrological principles, as well > as these limitations also persist and remain within individual> perception of individual astrologers having their own demarcation> Lines of intelligence and Logic which would move no further> after the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current Dasha.> The "know all" attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KP> a bad name and we must always understand and remember that> senior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a Senior> astrologer, and neither having spent n number of years in> astrology. There are certainly other factors like intuition and > spiritual > levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but would > ever > remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary stress> has to be there, combined with humility of acceptance when a problem> is not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept it.> I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers not to > look down> upon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from where we> have picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra rulers> etcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too if checked > by > some research oriented astrologer may be found to be the> part of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in Sayana> astrology, who were the residents of India practising astrology> before the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi principles> too have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I respect > Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in the> traditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All forms> of asrology have to be respected and all forms of divination> and prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior to all,> but the others may not be called inferior nor those practising> these other methods as we are from a Secular Culture and> Indians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindedness> and large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects on Earth.> Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so is the > traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any superiority > complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.

 

 

We are here to learn KP.

 

KP is mainly a sub theory, nothing else. Guruji KSK has crowed that discovering of the sub made him crowned with success. Ttraditional astrologers knew the division of star, sub, sub-sub etc as DBAS. But they did not develop it nor they were aware of it as to how to apply in the cusps and planets in that line like Guruji..

 

"My friends, we have come up to this.- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth." (Guruji KSK)

> > Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages across to few,> for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your faith in the> sensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in reading this > long mail.> > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > , swami@ wrote:> >> > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > Hari om ,> > Dear sir,> > Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?> > Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.> > So i said .Very interesting question.> > In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but It > was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while posting , > He did knew answer too well.> > In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.> > In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is just a > constituent.> > But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one > tries to answer by mixing .> > thanks and regards.> > > > OM TATSAT> > ------------------------> > swami_rcs> > ------------------------ > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > > - > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > > Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM> > Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for > Leo nativity ?> > > > > > > > Dear Swamiji,> > The IV cusp represents the Mother and the > IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the > respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in mind...I > hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as each sub > is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the > cusps under discussion...> > With kind regards,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > swami@ wrote:> > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > Hari om ,> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Very interesting question indeed.> > OM TATSAT> > ------------------------> > swami_rcs> > ------------------------ > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > > - > > Bhaskar > > > > Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM> > Mother and Father - Which Planet for > Leo nativity ?> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > For a Leo Ascendant,> > which planet signifies the Mother and which> > planet signifies the Father ?> > > > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship> > and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about> > these matters, but I am looking for the answer> > to the above Query. So please explain me> > with refrence to the House Lordships please.> > > > In case both the Lords are the same, like in > > above case, how should one proceed and judge > > which planet represents the Father and the Mother> > in Specially a Leo nativity ?> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> ----------> > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > know how.> >>

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Dear Tinwinji,

 

Thanks for the response, but what has been

given by you, is the significators, which

I was not looking for. I was looking for the

answer what results would Rahu Mahadasha

give me ? Because at times numbers of houses

are misleading. If one has 6 and 12 running

as Mahadasha, does not mean that he would have

a Divorce essentially or hospitalisastion

essentially. It may also mean that the

native is earning money through advising,

- On Investments as Financial Advissor,

or on astrology or on anything

through Brokerage, Fees commissions etc.

and he may be doing this sitting on Bed

(Which I do for about 10-12 hours in the

comfort of my Room and Bed where I have my PC).

6 and 8 may not neceesarily mean surgery,

it may also mean some unearned income

(If we mix traditional and if the

combination persists then through

Vipareeta Rajyoga- I have this combination

in my Horoscope too by the way)

 

Now since you have made a effort to locate

my chart from the archives, and taken trouble

to make it, let me explain.

 

First of all I also accentuate that not only one

rule but all rules in KP are open to empirical research,

for the only reason that whatever KP is known to us, is

very useful, and we should not let the other rules

untested or unresearched. There may be plenty of Gems

there which may be missed.

 

Now taking my chart as a pointer and example -

(Since you have taken pains in locating birth

details , making the chart and jotting down the

significators).

 

Rahu will not have any entity of its own.

Rahu will loose much of its maleficness.

(If You mix Lal kitab then this is confirmed,

as Sun Mercury conjunction will not allow

Rahu or Mars to remain malefic).

(Traditionally Rahu with a Yogkaraka in Kendra

in Natal Chart in Lagna-Leo would prove to be

a MD par excellence as per materialisitc gains

are concerned ).

 

Well I will not talk much about other systems

since this is a KP Forum and

do not wish to invite criticism from the

hardliners of KP. Rahu is in star of Ketu.

But SubLord is Rahu itself. Now what does

that mean ? Results of Ketu would be experienced

but the demarcated lines of those results would

be within the area allowed by the Sub Lord. Now

if Sub Lord is the Planet in itself about which

we wish to know, then we naturally move

to the Sub Sub Lord to check the results.

Here the Sub Sub Lord incidentally happens to

be Mercury, and no planets in the 2nd and 11th Cusp,

anmd neither in star of Mercury, therefore would not

Rahu become the prime significator for Mercury and

offer the results of Mercury finally ?

Well, by Gods grace this is what I have been

experiencing ( 2 and 11) since the Rahu Mahadasha

started in January 2007 (Nearly 1 Year completing).

 

No concluding and adding to what You said, that Rahu

would give results of -

 

// Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars,

Rahu is stronger than > Mars.

> > Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition,

it will also > strongly give the result of its starlord

Ket(12) and normally the result

> of its signlord Sun(10,1). //

 

 

I add that Rahu would also give results of 2 and 11.

 

 

Now coming to the 2nd Query-

Which Mahadasha would fare better ?

Mars Mahadasha or Rahu Mahadasha ?

 

Mars is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.

Rahu is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.

 

If in both cases starlord and sublord is same,

then how to differentiate ?

 

Here the Sub Sub Lord would help us.

 

The SSL for Mars is Saturn, and

The SSL for Rahu is Mercury.

 

Saturn is owner of 6th and 7th for Leo nativity, while

Mercury is onwer of 2n and 11th for Leo nativity, and

here Mercury will strongly represent both these Cusps

2 and 11, since these both are vacant with no planets

in these Cusps, and also no planet in Mercury star.

 

Hence the logical conslcusion that Rahu Mahadasha would

fare much better than the Mars Mahadasha in my example.

 

Rest God knows better.

 

I normally never go to the Sub Sub Lord to check

results , because if one is able to

predict accurately till Sub Lord, then that too'

is a tribute to his learning of astrology, one

need not go to the Sub Sub Lord level unnecessarily,

but in the above case where two Mahadashas having same

Star Lord and Sub Lord, and one Mahadasha preceding

the other,it makes sense to check the SSL for delineating

the results.

 

I thank you very much for your kind appraisal and

agree with you on all your points mentioned

in Your mail.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> My comments are in Red " ............... "

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Swamiji,

> >

> > You are right, my question was too simple, but the

> > answer was not available , because the answer is elusive.

> > I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as you

> > rightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp under

> > consideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even the

> > self-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.

> >

> > For Leo ascendant -

> > In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, and

> > the 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same planet.

> > This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected then

> > whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the mother,

> > or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka planet ,

> > then even younger brother would come in.

> > Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect the

> > corresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or Younger

> > Brother ?

> >

> > Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship

> > would in 95% of the case, would go to the same planet Mars.

> > Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator for

> > The Mother or the Father ?

> >

> > Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps

> > would give separate effects in both the cases, of results in

Mothers

> > Life, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable, but

> > again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the actual

> > Prime signification for Mother and Father respectively

> > in the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of these

> > Houses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this would

> > be a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth Ascendant is

> > rectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right

answer.

> > And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.

> > There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered. Ultimately

> > most of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets, then

what is

> > Left finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in extreme cases

> > the Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical

excersises

> > with 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of the

> > astrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment after

having

> > done rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the Cusps

> > are rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same in both

> > cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate results,

> > but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not the

actual

> > Planets representing Mother or Father which would be wrong

> > by any stretch of imagination and definition.

>

> > Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did not

> > come forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,

> > in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as representing

> > Mother, and which as Father.

> >

>

>

>

> In KP this issue does not arise as the 9th cuspal sublord is

considered

> for finding out all about father. The accuracy of birth time and

> rectification are different issues which can not be solved in a

manner

> to be acceptable to the majority of astrologers.

>

>

>

>

> > Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection in Kp

> > by many senior astrologers, an assessment made by themselves, I

> > have to say, that few months back I had put up my own Birth Chart

> > and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet Rahu,

which

> > they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in Ketus

> > Nakshatra.

> > And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra.

> >

> > I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would go

better

> > for

> > me or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again they

> > could not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my Chart

are in

> > same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own Guru ,

> > Mr.Sahasne,

> > of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and also

> > confirmed by the

> > book of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt. The book

has

> > given clear cut examples how one should look at the SubLord in

case

> > 2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is same

> > then one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is signifying

> > benefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs would

> > be good, and if the other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord is

> > malefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result.

>

>

>

> Regarding Bhaskar's chart, June 28, 1961, 10:14 AM, Eluru, AP,

> 16N44, 81E09, NKPA, Asc Leo 15:50:40, Mar Leo 06: 18:14, Rah Leo

> 06:40:37 and both planets in the same star of Ket and same sub of

Rah,

> the following standard KP signification is well known to any KP

> learners:

>

>

>

> Plt Ma(12,4,9) is in the star of Ket(12,6,4,9,5,7,10) and in the

sub of

> Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9) by taking into account of Rah is agent of Sun

& Mar

> and Ket is agent of Mar & Sat, and no planet is in the star of Sat.

>

>

>

> Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars, Rahu is stronger

than

> Mars.

>

> Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition, it will also

> strongly give the result of its starlord Ket(12) and normally the

result

> of its signlord Sun(10,1).

>

>

>

> This rule of pointing out which of the two planets will be

favorable on

> the basic of sub-sub lord is found in Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani,

> page 42 as well as Astrosecrets and KP Part II, page 179. With due

> respect to Shri Bhatt as the best narrator of KP, this rule is

still

> open to empirical research. For example, for Example chart-1 in

this

> Bhatt's book, Male, July 7, 1912, 20:42 PM IST, 23N02, 72E35, NKPA

> 22:32:44, Asc Cap 12:28:12, Sun Gem 22:32:38, Ven Gem 22:57:58 and

both

> planets in the same star of Jup and same sub of Sat, it is not

clear

> whether Ven Dasa giving first job, marriage, 3 children, one time

> regular promotion is unfavorable for being in the sub-sub of Sun

(6,8)

> and Sun Dasa giving one more child, one more ordinary promotion and

> father's death is favorable for being in the sub-sub of Ven

(6,5,10).

> For Christina Onassis's AA chart, Dec 11, 1950, 20:00 PM, New York,

> NY, 40N43,74W00, NKPA 23:04:55, Asc Can 12:45:50, Moo Cap

03:32:38, Mar

> 04:19:07 and both planets in the same star of Sun, same sub Sat,

it is

> not found the Dasa lord Mar to be more favorable by being in the

sub-sub

> of Moo(6,1) than Dasa lord Moo in the sub-sub of Mer(6,4,12).as

her

> happy family life in the Moo Dasa was destroyed due to father's

> second marriage, her own marriage to stay away from father and

divorce

> in the Mars Dasa.

Here again the 4step

> > theory

> > which is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4 Step, also

> > comes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord, whether any

> > planet

> > is in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned by the

> > Sub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there and

> > strength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..

>

>

>

>

> It would be helpful to try it emperically on some examples, if it

could

> be provided how the sub-sub idea be incorporated " practically " as

also

> suggested before in the following four step significators:

>

>

>

> For Bhaskar chart,

>

>

>

> Planet Ma+: 12

>

> Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

>

> Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

>

> Sublord of Ma is Ra:

>

> Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

>

> Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

>

>

>

> Planet Ra:

>

> Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

> Me{10,

>

> 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

>

> Sublord of Ra is Ra:

>

> Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

> Me{10,

>

> 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

>

>

>

> For Bhatt's Example chart-1,

>

>

>

> Planet Ve+: 6; 5; Cnj Su(6)

>

> Starlord of Ve is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7

>

> Sublord of Ve is Sa:

>

> Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

>

>

>

> Planet Su:

>

> Starlord of Su is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7

>

> Sublord of Su is Sa:

>

> Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

>

>

>

>

> > I advice and request the seniors to accept that their knowledge

as not

> > complete, when such occasions arise, and not give round about

answers,

> > when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this does not

> > deter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The

experienced

> > and seniors would still be always respected, because we

> > know that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.

> > This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in the

hands of

> > imperfect

> > humans. Therefore to strive to move ahead is the right approach.

> >

> > There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at many

> > levels in study and application of Astrological principles, as

well

> > as these limitations also persist and remain within individual

> > perception of individual astrologers having their own demarcation

> > Lines of intelligence and Logic which would move no further

> > after the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current Dasha.

> > The " know all " attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KP

> > a bad name and we must always understand and remember that

> > senior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a

Senior

> > astrologer, and neither having spent n number of years in

> > astrology. There are certainly other factors like intuition and

> > spiritual

> > levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but would

> > ever

> > remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary

stress

> > has to be there, combined with humility of acceptance when a

problem

> > is not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept it.

> > I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers not to

> > look down

> > upon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from where

we

> > have picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra rulers

> > etcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too if

checked

> > by

> > some research oriented astrologer may be found to be the

> > part of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in Sayana

> > astrology, who were the residents of India practising astrology

> > before the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi

principles

> > too have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I respect

> > Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in the

> > traditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All forms

> > of asrology have to be respected and all forms of divination

> > and prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior to all,

> > but the others may not be called inferior nor those practising

> > these other methods as we are from a Secular Culture and

> > Indians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindedness

> > and large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects on

Earth.

> > Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so is the

> > traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any

superiority

> > complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.

>

>

>

>

>

> We are here to learn KP.

>

>

>

> KP is mainly a sub theory, nothing else. Guruji KSK has crowed that

> discovering of the sub made him crowned with success. Ttraditional

> astrologers knew the division of star, sub, sub-sub etc as DBAS.

But

> they did not develop it nor they were aware of it as to how to

apply in

> the cusps and planets in that line like Guruji..

>

>

>

> " My friends, we have come up to this.- you should continue the

> research and you may reach to further truth. " (Guruji KSK)

>

>

> >

> > Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages across to

few,

> > for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your faith

in the

> > sensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in reading

this

> > long mail.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , swami@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > II Om Gurave Namah II

> > > Hari om ,

> > > Dear sir,

> > > Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?

> > > Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.

> > > So i said .Very interesting question.

> > > In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but

It

> > was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while

posting ,

> > He did knew answer too well.

> > > In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.

> > > In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is

just a

> > constituent.

> > > But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one

> > tries to answer by mixing .

> > > thanks and regards.

> > >

> > > OM TATSAT

> > > ------------------------

> > > swami_rcs

> > > ------------------------

> > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

> > >

> > > -

> > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> > >

> > > Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM

> > > Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for

> > Leo nativity ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Swamiji,

> > > The IV cusp represents the Mother and the

> > IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the

> > respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in

mind...I

> > hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as

each sub

> > is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the

> > cusps under discussion...

> > > With kind regards,

> > > L.Y.Rao.

> > >

> > > swami@ wrote:

> > >

> > > II Om Gurave Namah II

> > > Hari om ,

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > Very interesting question indeed.

> > > OM TATSAT

> > > ------------------------

> > > swami_rcs

> > > ------------------------

> > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

> > >

> > > -

> > > Bhaskar

> > >

> > > Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM

> > > Mother and Father - Which Planet for

> > Leo nativity ?

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > For a Leo Ascendant,

> > > which planet signifies the Mother and which

> > > planet signifies the Father ?

> > >

> > > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship

> > > and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about

> > > these matters, but I am looking for the answer

> > > to the above Query. So please explain me

> > > with refrence to the House Lordships please.

> > >

> > > In case both the Lords are the same, like in

> > > above case, how should one proceed and judge

> > > which planet represents the Father and the Mother

> > > in Specially a Leo nativity ?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Bhaskarji - namaskara. Congrets for your query & YOUR's explanation upholding a very balance view on traditional with KP. Personaly i think very simple clue given in TRADITION -

LOOK MOON & FOURTH FROM MOON FOR MOM & SUN & NINTH FROM SUN FOR DAD.HOPE THIS MAY END CONFUSION.REGARDS.SATISH.On 09/12/2007,

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

For a Leo Ascendant,

which planet signifies the Mother and which

planet signifies the Father ?

 

I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship

and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about

these matters, but I am looking for the answer

to the above Query. So please explain me

with refrence to the House Lordships please.

 

In case both the Lords are the same, like in

above case, how should one proceed and judge

which planet represents the Father and the Mother

in Specially a Leo nativity ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

 

 

 

 

-- Thanks. With Warm Regards. Satish.

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Dear Satishji,

Namaste.

 

Yes in my own Chart (Leo) apart from KP significators

for 4th and 9th houses,I normally look at Sun and

Moon for inputs with regards to Father and Mother,

respectively. I also check the transits on Sun

and Moon , and learning to see Progressions

(Directions) so that all systems could be

amalgamated to bring down a result which would

reveal same event on a common platform , coming

through all these approaches.

That way the prediction would be fortified.

 

We have to mantain a open mind and large

heartedness keeping Traditional approach as

Father, KP as Mother, and the rest too with

a welcome vision. Have the best dishes from

all the places available and accessible to us.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " satish deshpande " <satsdesh

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji - namaskara.

> Congrets for your query & YOUR's

explanation

> upholding a very balance view on traditional with KP. Personaly i

think very

> simple clue given in TRADITION - LOOK MOON & FOURTH FROM MOON FOR

MOM & SUN

> & NINTH FROM SUN FOR DAD.

> HOPE THIS MAY END CONFUSION.

> REGARDS.

> SATISH.

>

> On 09/12/2007, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > For a Leo Ascendant,

> > which planet signifies the Mother and which

> > planet signifies the Father ?

> >

> > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship

> > and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about

> > these matters, but I am looking for the answer

> > to the above Query. So please explain me

> > with refrence to the House Lordships please.

> >

> > In case both the Lords are the same, like in

> > above case, how should one proceed and judge

> > which planet represents the Father and the Mother

> > in Specially a Leo nativity ?

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Thanks.

> With Warm Regards.

> Satish.

>

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II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear friends,

Vedic astrology is a ocean & one life time is not enough to fathem its depth.

Stellar astrology holds the origin of astrology.In ancients time even before Rsi Parashar codified BHPS for masses the knowledge of constellation was so common that Rsi did not explained even basic of constellation in his classics.

This was unfortunate that we lost that knowledge subsequently.

We do not use Navamsa in KP WHY?

Simply because Navamsa is space division of Nakshatra.

It is just a speculation that time division was unknown to rsi or ancients.

Whole science of steller astrology is nothing but Time division of Nakshatra.If it was not known how Vimshottari dasa was given number of years for planets.

My humble submission is KP is a wave In ocean of astrology that meets the end of our times.

It was a gift to mankind by Prof KSK, who was chosen by lord ganesha to rejuvinate this lost knowledge.

As far as my learning goes , It is my conviction that knowledge has four levels and so are the levels of Gurus.

The concepts are universal what differs is just the language used and mode in which it is applied.

Lastly , I would like to mention ,Now new students can read SUB LORD SPEAKS collection of articles that apperaed in A & A.

Three volumes are published by Krishman & co. I had only three articles so far in my collection,Perhaps 16 was last.

with regards. OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs http://www.kaalvastu.com------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

 

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tw853

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:07 AM

Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for Leo nativity ?

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

My comments are in Red "..............."

Regards,

tw

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > > Dear Swamiji,> > You are right, my question was too simple, but the> answer was not available , because the answer is elusive.> I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as you> rightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp under> consideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even the> self-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.> > For Leo ascendant -> In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, and> the 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same planet.> This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected then > whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the mother,> or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka planet ,> then even younger brother would come in.> Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect the> corresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or Younger> Brother ?> > Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship > would in 95% of the case, would go to the same planet Mars.> Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator for> The Mother or the Father ?> > Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps > would give separate effects in both the cases, of results in Mothers> Life, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable, but > again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the actual> Prime signification for Mother and Father respectively> in the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of these> Houses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this would> be a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth Ascendant is> rectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right answer. > And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.> There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered. Ultimately> most of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets, then what is> Left finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in extreme cases> the Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical excersises> with 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of the> astrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment after having> done rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the Cusps> are rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same in both > cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate results,> but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not the actual> Planets representing Mother or Father which would be wrong> by any stretch of imagination and definition.

> Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did not> come forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,> in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as representing> Mother, and which as Father.>

 

In KP this issue does not arise as the 9th cuspal sublord is considered for finding out all about father. The accuracy of birth time and rectification are different issues which can not be solved in a manner to be acceptable to the majority of astrologers.

 

> Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection in Kp> by many senior astrologers, an assessment made by themselves, I> have to say, that few months back I had put up my own Birth Chart > and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet Rahu, which > they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in Ketus > Nakshatra.> And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra. > > I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would go better > for> me or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again they> could not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my Chart are in > same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own Guru , > Mr.Sahasne,> of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and also > confirmed by the> book of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt. The book has> given clear cut examples how one should look at the SubLord in case> 2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is same> then one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is signifying> benefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs would> be good, and if the other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord is> malefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result.

 

Regarding Bhaskar's chart, June 28, 1961, 10:14 AM, Eluru, AP, 16N44, 81E09, NKPA, Asc Leo 15:50:40, Mar Leo 06: 18:14, Rah Leo 06:40:37 and both planets in the same star of Ket and same sub of Rah, the following standard KP signification is well known to any KP learners:

 

Plt Ma(12,4,9) is in the star of Ket(12,6,4,9,5,7,10) and in the sub of Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9) by taking into account of Rah is agent of Sun & Mar and Ket is agent of Mar & Sat, and no planet is in the star of Sat.

 

Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars, Rahu is stronger than Mars.

Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition, it will also strongly give the result of its starlord Ket(12) and normally the result of its signlord Sun(10,1).

 

This rule of pointing out which of the two planets will be favorable on the basic of sub-sub lord is found in Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani, page 42 as well as Astrosecrets and KP Part II, page 179. With due respect to Shri Bhatt as the best narrator of KP, this rule is still open to empirical research. For example, for Example chart-1 in this Bhatt's book, Male, July 7, 1912, 20:42 PM IST, 23N02, 72E35, NKPA 22:32:44, Asc Cap 12:28:12, Sun Gem 22:32:38, Ven Gem 22:57:58 and both planets in the same star of Jup and same sub of Sat, it is not clear whether Ven Dasa giving first job, marriage, 3 children, one time regular promotion is unfavorable for being in the sub-sub of Sun(6,8) and Sun Dasa giving one more child, one more ordinary promotion and father's death is favorable for being in the sub-sub of Ven(6,5,10). For Christina Onassis's AA chart, Dec 11, 1950, 20:00 PM, New York, NY, 40N43,74W00, NKPA 23:04:55, Asc Can 12:45:50, Moo Cap 03:32:38, Mar 04:19:07 and both planets in the same star of Sun, same sub Sat, it is not found the Dasa lord Mar to be more favorable by being in the sub-sub of Moo(6,1) than Dasa lord Moo in the sub-sub of Mer(6,4,12).as her happy family life in the Moo Dasa was destroyed due to father's second marriage, her own marriage to stay away from father and divorce in the Mars Dasa.

 

 

 

Here again the 4step > theory> which is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4 Step, also> comes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord, whether any > planet> is in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned by the> Sub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there and> strength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..

 

 

It would be helpful to try it emperically on some examples, if it could be provided how the sub-sub idea be incorporated "practically" as also suggested before in the following four step significators:

 

For Bhaskar chart,

 

Planet Ma+: 12

Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

Sublord of Ma is Ra:

Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj

Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

 

Planet Ra:

Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj Me{10,

2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

Sublord of Ra is Ra:

Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj Me{10,

2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

 

For Bhatt's Example chart-1,

 

Planet Ve+: 6; 5; Cnj Su(6)

Starlord of Ve is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7

Sublord of Ve is Sa:

Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

 

Planet Su:

Starlord of Su is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7

Sublord of Su is Sa:

Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

 

> I advice and request the seniors to accept that their knowledge as not> complete, when such occasions arise, and not give round about answers,> when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this does not> deter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The experienced> and seniors would still be always respected, because we> know that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.> This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in the hands of > imperfect > humans. Therefore to strive to move ahead is the right approach. > > There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at many> levels in study and application of Astrological principles, as well > as these limitations also persist and remain within individual> perception of individual astrologers having their own demarcation> Lines of intelligence and Logic which would move no further> after the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current Dasha.> The "know all" attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KP> a bad name and we must always understand and remember that> senior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a Senior> astrologer, and neither having spent n number of years in> astrology. There are certainly other factors like intuition and > spiritual > levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but would > ever > remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary stress> has to be there, combined with humility of acceptance when a problem> is not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept it.> I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers not to > look down> upon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from where we> have picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra rulers> etcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too if checked > by > some research oriented astrologer may be found to be the> part of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in Sayana> astrology, who were the residents of India practising astrology> before the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi principles> too have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I respect > Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in the> traditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All forms> of asrology have to be respected and all forms of divination> and prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior to all,> but the others may not be called inferior nor those practising> these other methods as we are from a Secular Culture and> Indians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindedness> and large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects on Earth.> Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so is the > traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any superiority > complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.

 

 

We are here to learn KP.

 

KP is mainly a sub theory, nothing else. Guruji KSK has crowed that discovering of the sub made him crowned with success. Ttraditional astrologers knew the division of star, sub, sub-sub etc as DBAS. But they did not develop it nor they were aware of it as to how to apply in the cusps and planets in that line like Guruji..

 

"My friends, we have come up to this.- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth." (Guruji KSK)

> > Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages across to few,> for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your faith in the> sensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in reading this > long mail.> > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > , swami@ wrote:> >> > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > Hari om ,> > Dear sir,> > Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?> > Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.> > So i said .Very interesting question.> > In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but It > was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while posting , > He did knew answer too well.> > In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.> > In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is just a > constituent.> > But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one > tries to answer by mixing .> > thanks and regards.> > > > OM TATSAT> > ------------------------> > swami_rcs> > ------------------------ > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > > - > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > > > Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM> > Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for > Leo nativity ?> > > > > > > > Dear Swamiji,> > The IV cusp represents the Mother and the > IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the > respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in mind...I > hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as each sub > is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the > cusps under discussion...> > With kind regards,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > swami@ wrote:> > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > Hari om ,> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Very interesting question indeed.> > OM TATSAT> > ------------------------> > swami_rcs> > ------------------------ > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > > - > > Bhaskar > > > > Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM> > Mother and Father - Which Planet for > Leo nativity ?> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > For a Leo Ascendant,> > which planet signifies the Mother and which> > planet signifies the Father ?> > > > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship> > and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about> > these matters, but I am looking for the answer> > to the above Query. So please explain me> > with refrence to the House Lordships please.> > > > In case both the Lords are the same, like in > > above case, how should one proceed and judge > > which planet represents the Father and the Mother> > in Specially a Leo nativity ?> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> ----------> > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > know how.> >>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

My comments in Red, "......................."

Regards,

tw

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Tinwinji,> > Thanks for the response, but what has been > given by you, is the significators, which> I was not looking for. I was looking for the> answer what results would Rahu Mahadasha> give me ?

On the basis of the effective signification of 12,4,9,6,10 house, the Rahu Dasa is expected to give the following results in general:

1) The desirable are 6,10 (12 if you like as nature of your profession) for betterment in your profession;

2) 4,6,10 (12 to 5,7,11) plus 12 may give undesirable results in love affair and marriage;

3) 12,4,10 (12 to 1,5,11) plus 9 (Badhaka) may be conducive to health problems; and

4) strong 12 may send you to a new evironment.

Those results may be frutified in the jointly signified DBA agreeing with transit. For instance, Rah-Jup DB is supposed to give the undesirable results due to the effective signification of 4,8,12 (10,2,6 of opponent). Rah-Jup DB can give the desirable result.

Plt Jup(5,5,8); Stl Moo(4,12); Sbl Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9); and no planet is in the star of Jup, which is Sbl of 2,4,8,12.

Plt Sat(5,6,7); Stl Sun(10,1); Sbl Mer(10,12,11); and no planet in the star of Sat which is Sbl of 6,10.

Because at times numbers of houses > are misleading. If one has 6 and 12 running> as Mahadasha, does not mean that he would have> a Divorce essentially or hospitalisastion> essentially. It may also mean that the> native is earning money through advising, > - On Investments as Financial Advissor,> or on astrology or on anything> through Brokerage, Fees commissions etc.> and he may be doing this sitting on Bed > (Which I do for about 10-12 hours in the> comfort of my Room and Bed where I have my PC).> 6 and 8 may not neceesarily mean surgery,> it may also mean some unearned income> (If we mix traditional and if the> combination persists then through> Vipareeta Rajyoga- I have this combination> in my Horoscope too by the way)>

In your chart, JHora shows Naabhasa Yoga, Budha-Aditya Yoga, Rajayoga, Viparita Raja Yoga etc and 127% Shadbala for Mar, 126% for Jup, and so on , which are not used in KP.

> Now since you have made a effort to locate> my chart from the archives, and taken trouble> to make it, let me explain.> > First of all I also accentuate that not only one> rule but all rules in KP are open to empirical research, > for the only reason that whatever KP is known to us, is > very useful, and we should not let the other rules > untested or unresearched. There may be plenty of Gems> there which may be missed.> > Now taking my chart as a pointer and example -> (Since you have taken pains in locating birth> details , making the chart and jotting down the> significators).> > Rahu will not have any entity of its own.> Rahu will loose much of its maleficness.> (If You mix Lal kitab then this is confirmed,> as Sun Mercury conjunction will not allow> Rahu or Mars to remain malefic).

 

It will be so nice, if the most found Sun- Mercury conjunction will not allowtricky and dangerous Rahu or Mars to remain malefic.

> (Traditionally Rahu with a Yogkaraka in Kendra > in Natal Chart in Lagna-Leo would prove to be> a MD par excellence as per materialisitc gains > are concerned ).> > Well I will not talk much about other systems> since this is a KP Forum and> do not wish to invite criticism from the> hardliners of KP. Rahu is in star of Ketu.> But SubLord is Rahu itself. Now what does > that mean ?

 

Rah is strong to give the results of its own as a planet.

 

Results of Ketu would be experienced > but the demarcated lines of those results would > be within the area allowed by the Sub Lord. Now> if Sub Lord is the Planet in itself about which> we wish to know, then we naturally move> to the Sub Sub Lord to check the results.> Here the Sub Sub Lord incidentally happens to > be Mercury, and no planets in the 2nd and 11th Cusp,> anmd neither in star of Mercury, therefore would not> Rahu become the prime significator for Mercury and> offer the results of Mercury finally ?

 

Shri Bhatt has not taken into consideration of the results of 'Sub Sub' lord in the example charts of his books.

Dr. Kar's application of the sub sub in his MST is different.

> Well, by Gods grace this is what I have been > experiencing ( 2 and 11) since the Rahu Mahadasha > started in January 2007 (Nearly 1 Year completing). >

 

I wish you so.

> No concluding and adding to what You said, that Rahu> would give results of -> > // Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars,> Rahu is stronger than > Mars.> > > Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition,> it will also > strongly give the result of its starlord > Ket(12) and normally the result> > of its signlord Sun(10,1). //> > > I add that Rahu would also give results of 2 and 11.>

It cannot be added like this as per KP or Bhatt or Dr. Kar.

 

> Now coming to the 2nd Query-> Which Mahadasha would fare better ?> Mars Mahadasha or Rahu Mahadasha ?>

Rahu Dasa would fare better because its signlord Su(10,1) is supposed to be effective as Rah is in its own sub.

> Mars is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.> Rahu is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.> > If in both cases starlord and sublord is same, > then how to differentiate ?> > Here the Sub Sub Lord would help us.

 

Shri Bhatt says so but as mentioned in the previous mail it is not conclusive in his explained Example chart- 1.

 

> > The SSL for Mars is Saturn, and > The SSL for Rahu is Mercury.> > Saturn is owner of 6th and 7th for Leo nativity, while> Mercury is onwer of 2n and 11th for Leo nativity, and> here Mercury will strongly represent both these Cusps > 2 and 11, since these both are vacant with no planets > in these Cusps, and also no planet in Mercury star.> > Hence the logical conslcusion that Rahu Mahadasha would > fare much better than the Mars Mahadasha in my example.>

 

I think so and wish you so.

 

Good luck!

 

> Rest God knows better.> > I normally never go to the Sub Sub Lord to check> results , because if one is able to> predict accurately till Sub Lord, then that too'> is a tribute to his learning of astrology, one> need not go to the Sub Sub Lord level unnecessarily,> but in the above case where two Mahadashas having same > Star Lord and Sub Lord, and one Mahadasha preceding> the other,it makes sense to check the SSL for delineating> the results.> > I thank you very much for your kind appraisal and> agree with you on all your points mentioned> in Your mail.> > regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > My comments are in Red "..............."> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Swamiji,> > >> > > You are right, my question was too simple, but the> > > answer was not available , because the answer is elusive.> > > I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as you> > > rightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp under> > > consideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even the> > > self-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.> > >> > > For Leo ascendant -> > > In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, and> > > the 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same planet.> > > This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected then> > > whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the mother,> > > or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka planet ,> > > then even younger brother would come in.> > > Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect the> > > corresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or Younger> > > Brother ?> > >> > > Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship> > > would in 95% of the case, would go to the same planet Mars.> > > Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator for> > > The Mother or the Father ?> > >> > > Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps> > > would give separate effects in both the cases, of results in > Mothers> > > Life, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable, but> > > again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the actual> > > Prime signification for Mother and Father respectively> > > in the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of these> > > Houses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this would> > > be a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth Ascendant is> > > rectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right > answer.> > > And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.> > > There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered. Ultimately> > > most of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets, then > what is> > > Left finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in extreme cases> > > the Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical > excersises> > > with 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of the> > > astrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment after > having> > > done rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the Cusps> > > are rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same in both> > > cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate results,> > > but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not the > actual> > > Planets representing Mother or Father which would be wrong> > > by any stretch of imagination and definition.> > > > > Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did not> > > come forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,> > > in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as representing> > > Mother, and which as Father.> > >> > > > > > > > In KP this issue does not arise as the 9th cuspal sublord is > considered> > for finding out all about father. The accuracy of birth time and> > rectification are different issues which can not be solved in a > manner> > to be acceptable to the majority of astrologers.> > > > > > > > > > > Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection in Kp> > > by many senior astrologers, an assessment made by themselves, I> > > have to say, that few months back I had put up my own Birth Chart> > > and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet Rahu, > which> > > they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in Ketus> > > Nakshatra.> > > And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra.> > >> > > I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would go > better> > > for> > > me or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again they> > > could not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my Chart > are in> > > same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own Guru ,> > > Mr.Sahasne,> > > of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and also> > > confirmed by the> > > book of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt. The book > has> > > given clear cut examples how one should look at the SubLord in > case> > > 2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is same> > > then one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is signifying> > > benefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs would> > > be good, and if the other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord is> > > malefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result.> > > > > > > > Regarding Bhaskar's chart, June 28, 1961, 10:14 AM, Eluru, AP,> > 16N44, 81E09, NKPA, Asc Leo 15:50:40, Mar Leo 06: 18:14, Rah Leo> > 06:40:37 and both planets in the same star of Ket and same sub of > Rah,> > the following standard KP signification is well known to any KP> > learners:> > > > > > > > Plt Ma(12,4,9) is in the star of Ket(12,6,4,9,5,7,10) and in the > sub of> > Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9) by taking into account of Rah is agent of Sun > & Mar> > and Ket is agent of Mar & Sat, and no planet is in the star of Sat.> > > > > > > > Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars, Rahu is stronger > than> > Mars.> > > > Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition, it will also> > strongly give the result of its starlord Ket(12) and normally the > result> > of its signlord Sun(10,1).> > > > > > > > This rule of pointing out which of the two planets will be > favorable on> > the basic of sub-sub lord is found in Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani,> > page 42 as well as Astrosecrets and KP Part II, page 179. With due> > respect to Shri Bhatt as the best narrator of KP, this rule is > still> > open to empirical research. For example, for Example chart-1 in > this> > Bhatt's book, Male, July 7, 1912, 20:42 PM IST, 23N02, 72E35, NKPA> > 22:32:44, Asc Cap 12:28:12, Sun Gem 22:32:38, Ven Gem 22:57:58 and > both> > planets in the same star of Jup and same sub of Sat, it is not > clear> > whether Ven Dasa giving first job, marriage, 3 children, one time> > regular promotion is unfavorable for being in the sub-sub of Sun> (6,8)> > and Sun Dasa giving one more child, one more ordinary promotion and> > father's death is favorable for being in the sub-sub of Ven> (6,5,10).> > For Christina Onassis's AA chart, Dec 11, 1950, 20:00 PM, New York,> > NY, 40N43,74W00, NKPA 23:04:55, Asc Can 12:45:50, Moo Cap > 03:32:38, Mar> > 04:19:07 and both planets in the same star of Sun, same sub Sat, > it is> > not found the Dasa lord Mar to be more favorable by being in the > sub-sub> > of Moo(6,1) than Dasa lord Moo in the sub-sub of Mer(6,4,12).as > her> > happy family life in the Moo Dasa was destroyed due to father's> > second marriage, her own marriage to stay away from father and > divorce> > in the Mars Dasa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here again the 4step> > > theory> > > which is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4 Step, also> > > comes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord, whether any> > > planet> > > is in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned by the> > > Sub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there and> > > strength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..> > > > > > > > > > It would be helpful to try it emperically on some examples, if it > could> > be provided how the sub-sub idea be incorporated "practically" as > also> > suggested before in the following four step significators:> > > > > > > > For Bhaskar chart,> > > > > > > > Planet Ma+: 12> > > > Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > > > Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > > > Sublord of Ma is Ra:> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > > > Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > > > > > > > Planet Ra:> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > Me{10,> > > > 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > > > Sublord of Ra is Ra:> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > Me{10,> > > > 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > > > > > > > For Bhatt's Example chart-1,> > > > > > > > Planet Ve+: 6; 5; Cnj Su(6)> > > > Starlord of Ve is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7> > > > Sublord of Ve is Sa:> > > > Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)> > > > > > > > Planet Su:> > > > Starlord of Su is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7> > > > Sublord of Su is Sa:> > > > Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)> > > > > > > > > > > I advice and request the seniors to accept that their knowledge > as not> > > complete, when such occasions arise, and not give round about > answers,> > > when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this does not> > > deter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The > experienced> > > and seniors would still be always respected, because we> > > know that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.> > > This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in the > hands of> > > imperfect> > > humans. Therefore to strive to move ahead is the right approach.> > >> > > There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at many> > > levels in study and application of Astrological principles, as > well> > > as these limitations also persist and remain within individual> > > perception of individual astrologers having their own demarcation> > > Lines of intelligence and Logic which would move no further> > > after the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current Dasha.> > > The "know all" attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KP> > > a bad name and we must always understand and remember that> > > senior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a > Senior> > > astrologer, and neither having spent n number of years in> > > astrology. There are certainly other factors like intuition and> > > spiritual> > > levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but would> > > ever> > > remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary > stress> > > has to be there, combined with humility of acceptance when a > problem> > > is not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept it.> > > I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers not to> > > look down> > > upon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from where > we> > > have picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra rulers> > > etcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too if > checked> > > by> > > some research oriented astrologer may be found to be the> > > part of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in Sayana> > > astrology, who were the residents of India practising astrology> > > before the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi > principles> > > too have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I respect> > > Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in the> > > traditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All forms> > > of asrology have to be respected and all forms of divination> > > and prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior to all,> > > but the others may not be called inferior nor those practising> > > these other methods as we are from a Secular Culture and> > > Indians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindedness> > > and large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects on > Earth.> > > Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so is the> > > traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any > superiority> > > complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.> > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to learn KP.> > > > > > > > KP is mainly a sub theory, nothing else. Guruji KSK has crowed that> > discovering of the sub made him crowned with success. Ttraditional> > astrologers knew the division of star, sub, sub-sub etc as DBAS. > But> > they did not develop it nor they were aware of it as to how to > apply in> > the cusps and planets in that line like Guruji..> > > > > > > > "My friends, we have come up to this.- you should continue the> > research and you may reach to further truth." (Guruji KSK)> > > > > > >> > > Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages across to > few,> > > for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your faith > in the> > > sensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in reading > this> > > long mail.> > >> > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , swami@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > > > Hari om ,> > > > Dear sir,> > > > Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?> > > > Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.> > > > So i said .Very interesting question.> > > > In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but > It> > > was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while > posting ,> > > He did knew answer too well.> > > > In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.> > > > In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is > just a> > > constituent.> > > > But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one> > > tries to answer by mixing .> > > > thanks and regards.> > > >> > > > OM TATSAT> > > > ------------------------> > > > swami_rcs> > > > ------------------------> > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy> > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy> > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > >> > > > -> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi> > > > > > > > Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM> > > > Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for> > > Leo nativity ?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Swamiji,> > > > The IV cusp represents the Mother and the> > > IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the> > > respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in > mind...I> > > hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as > each sub> > > is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the> > > cusps under discussion...> > > > With kind regards,> > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > >> > > > swami@ wrote:> > > >> > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > > > Hari om ,> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > Very interesting question indeed.> > > > OM TATSAT> > > > ------------------------> > > > swami_rcs> > > > ------------------------> > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy> > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy> > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > >> > > > -> > > > Bhaskar> > > > > > > > Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM> > > > Mother and Father - Which Planet for> > > Leo nativity ?> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > For a Leo Ascendant,> > > > which planet signifies the Mother and which> > > > planet signifies the Father ?> > > >> > > > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship> > > > and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about> > > > these matters, but I am looking for the answer> > > > to the above Query. So please explain me> > > > with refrence to the House Lordships please.> > > >> > > > In case both the Lords are the same, like in> > > > above case, how should one proceed and judge> > > > which planet represents the Father and the Mother> > > > in Specially a Leo nativity ?> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> -----> > > ----------> > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here > to> > > know how.> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tinwinji,

Thanks very much for taking pains once again to go

through the significations minutely and lay down

the effects. I value the efforts and time spent by you

on my chart. I agree with most of your views mentioned

therein.

 

Since I value your knowledge and expereience I also

wish to ask You one more point. "Badhak" or

"badhaksthandhipati" is a terminology from Jamini

an off shoot of Traditional or better to put it

as a part of the same. It has been conclusively

proved through experience that the badhak house,

planet placed in it and the badhakstandhipati ,

certainly produce badhas, obstacles and hurdles

with the attributes of the houses they are connected with.

 

In that case if these same Planets - badhak Lord, Planet

placed in Badhak house, have placement in better

starLords and SubLords, then would they cease to remain or act like badhaks ?

 

If we pick the badhaks and use them in Kp, why are we

not picking the Yogkarakas. Or are we using them ?

In that case Mars would act as a Yogkaraka or a

badhak for my ascendant ? This is a innocent query and

not trying to test your patience. ( I personally feel that

any planets which gives the results of the good

houses would become a Yogkaraka for any individual

chart, regardless of any pre-set or specified Format.

In KP this would happen when any Benefic or Malefic

planet is placed in the Star and sub of benefic planets )

 

Just for your information if it helps You, since you

have already spent time on my chart, the recent

Saturn transit few months ago, on the Natal

Planets in my Chart , Rahu and Mars , went

inconsequential. I had developed some fears

actually about this transit, but luckily was

saved of any malefic or benefic effects. Finally

before this transit was about to take place, one

week before i found a good article in one

of the KP books on how to judge transits of

any planet on the Natal Planets., which did

give me some relief . (It was a good article

but which book I read, I do not remember at

the present)

 

My above queries need not be replied if they trouble You or take up your time or if they are uncomfortable queries.

I respect You and your time.

 

Thanks and regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > My comments in Red, "......................."> > Regards,> > tw> > > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >> > Dear Tinwinji,> >> > Thanks for the response, but what has been> > given by you, is the significators, which> > I was not looking for. I was looking for the> > answer what results would Rahu Mahadasha> > give me ?> > On the basis of the effective signification of 12,4,9,6,10 house, the> Rahu Dasa is expected to give the following results in general:> > 1) The desirable are 6,10 (12 if you like as nature of your profession)> for betterment in your profession;> > 2) 4,6,10 (12 to 5,7,11) plus 12 may give undesirable results in love> affair and marriage;> > 3) 12,4,10 (12 to 1,5,11) plus 9 (Badhaka) may be conducive to health> problems; and> > 4) strong 12 may send you to a new evironment.> > Those results may be frutified in the jointly signified DBA agreeing> with transit. For instance, Rah-Jup DB is supposed to give the> undesirable results due to the effective signification of 4,8,12 (10,2,6> of opponent). Rah-Jup DB can give the desirable result.> > Plt Jup(5,5,8); Stl Moo(4,12); Sbl Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9); and no planet is> in the star of Jup, which is Sbl of 2,4,8,12.> > > Plt Sat(5,6,7); Stl Sun(10,1); Sbl Mer(10,12,11); and no planet in the> star of Sat which is Sbl of 6,10.> > Because at times numbers of houses> > are misleading. If one has 6 and 12 running> > as Mahadasha, does not mean that he would have> > a Divorce essentially or hospitalisastion> > essentially. It may also mean that the> > native is earning money through advising,> > - On Investments as Financial Advissor,> > or on astrology or on anything> > through Brokerage, Fees commissions etc.> > and he may be doing this sitting on Bed> > (Which I do for about 10-12 hours in the> > comfort of my Room and Bed where I have my PC).> > 6 and 8 may not neceesarily mean surgery,> > it may also mean some unearned income> > (If we mix traditional and if the> > combination persists then through> > Vipareeta Rajyoga- I have this combination> > in my Horoscope too by the way)> >> > In your chart, JHora shows Naabhasa Yoga, Budha-Aditya Yoga, Rajayoga,> Viparita Raja Yoga etc and 127% Shadbala for Mar, 126% for Jup, and so> on , which are not used in KP.> > > > Now since you have made a effort to locate> > my chart from the archives, and taken trouble> > to make it, let me explain.> >> > First of all I also accentuate that not only one> > rule but all rules in KP are open to empirical research,> > for the only reason that whatever KP is known to us, is> > very useful, and we should not let the other rules> > untested or unresearched. There may be plenty of Gems> > there which may be missed.> >> > Now taking my chart as a pointer and example -> > (Since you have taken pains in locating birth> > details , making the chart and jotting down the> > significators).> >> > Rahu will not have any entity of its own.> > Rahu will loose much of its maleficness.> > (If You mix Lal kitab then this is confirmed,> > as Sun Mercury conjunction will not allow> > Rahu or Mars to remain malefic).> > > > It will be so nice, if the most found Sun- Mercury conjunction will> not allow> tricky and dangerous Rahu or Mars to remain malefic.> > > > (Traditionally Rahu with a Yogkaraka in Kendra> > in Natal Chart in Lagna-Leo would prove to be> > a MD par excellence as per materialisitc gains> > are concerned ).> >> > Well I will not talk much about other systems> > since this is a KP Forum and> > do not wish to invite criticism from the> > hardliners of KP. Rahu is in star of Ketu.> > But SubLord is Rahu itself. Now what does> > that mean ?> > > > Rah is strong to give the results of its own as a planet.> > > > Results of Ketu would be experienced> > but the demarcated lines of those results would> > be within the area allowed by the Sub Lord. Now> > if Sub Lord is the Planet in itself about which> > we wish to know, then we naturally move> > to the Sub Sub Lord to check the results.> > Here the Sub Sub Lord incidentally happens to> > be Mercury, and no planets in the 2nd and 11th Cusp,> > anmd neither in star of Mercury, therefore would not> > Rahu become the prime significator for Mercury and> > offer the results of Mercury finally ?> > > > Shri Bhatt has not taken into consideration of the results of 'Sub Sub'> lord in the example charts of his books.> > Dr. Kar's application of the sub sub in his MST is different.> > > > Well, by Gods grace this is what I have been> > experiencing ( 2 and 11) since the Rahu Mahadasha> > started in January 2007 (Nearly 1 Year completing).> >> > > > I wish you so.> > > > No concluding and adding to what You said, that Rahu> > would give results of -> >> > // Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars,> > Rahu is stronger than > Mars.> > > > Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition,> > it will also > strongly give the result of its starlord> > Ket(12) and normally the result> > > of its signlord Sun(10,1). //> >> >> > I add that Rahu would also give results of 2 and 11.> >> > > It cannot be added like this as per KP or Bhatt or Dr. Kar.> > > > > Now coming to the 2nd Query-> > Which Mahadasha would fare better ?> > Mars Mahadasha or Rahu Mahadasha ?> >> > Rahu Dasa would fare better because its signlord Su(10,1) is supposed to> be effective as Rah is in its own sub.> > > > Mars is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.> > Rahu is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.> >> > If in both cases starlord and sublord is same,> > then how to differentiate ?> >> > Here the Sub Sub Lord would help us.> > > > Shri Bhatt says so but as mentioned in the previous mail it is not> conclusive in his explained Example chart- 1.> > > > > >> > The SSL for Mars is Saturn, and> > The SSL for Rahu is Mercury.> >> > Saturn is owner of 6th and 7th for Leo nativity, while> > Mercury is onwer of 2n and 11th for Leo nativity, and> > here Mercury will strongly represent both these Cusps> > 2 and 11, since these both are vacant with no planets> > in these Cusps, and also no planet in Mercury star.> >> > Hence the logical conslcusion that Rahu Mahadasha would> > fare much better than the Mars Mahadasha in my example.> >> > > > I think so and wish you so.> > > > Good luck!> > > > > > Rest God knows better.> >> > I normally never go to the Sub Sub Lord to check> > results , because if one is able to> > predict accurately till Sub Lord, then that too'> > is a tribute to his learning of astrology, one> > need not go to the Sub Sub Lord level unnecessarily,> > but in the above case where two Mahadashas having same> > Star Lord and Sub Lord, and one Mahadasha preceding> > the other,it makes sense to check the SSL for delineating> > the results.> >> > I thank you very much for your kind appraisal and> > agree with you on all your points mentioned> > in Your mail.> >> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > My comments are in Red "..............."> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Swamiji,> > > >> > > > You are right, my question was too simple, but the> > > > answer was not available , because the answer is elusive.> > > > I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as you> > > > rightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp under> > > > consideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even the> > > > self-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.> > > >> > > > For Leo ascendant -> > > > In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, and> > > > the 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same planet.> > > > This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected then> > > > whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the mother,> > > > or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka planet ,> > > > then even younger brother would come in.> > > > Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect the> > > > corresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or Younger> > > > Brother ?> > > >> > > > Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship> > > > would in 95% of the case, would go to the same planet Mars.> > > > Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator for> > > > The Mother or the Father ?> > > >> > > > Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps> > > > would give separate effects in both the cases, of results in> > Mothers> > > > Life, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable, but> > > > again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the actual> > > > Prime signification for Mother and Father respectively> > > > in the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of these> > > > Houses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this would> > > > be a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth Ascendant is> > > > rectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right> > answer.> > > > And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.> > > > There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered. Ultimately> > > > most of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets, then> > what is> > > > Left finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in extreme cases> > > > the Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical> > excersises> > > > with 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of the> > > > astrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment after> > having> > > > done rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the Cusps> > > > are rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same in both> > > > cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate results,> > > > but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not the> > actual> > > > Planets representing Mother or Father which would be wrong> > > > by any stretch of imagination and definition.> > >> > > > Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did not> > > > come forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,> > > > in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as representing> > > > Mother, and which as Father.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > In KP this issue does not arise as the 9th cuspal sublord is> > considered> > > for finding out all about father. The accuracy of birth time and> > > rectification are different issues which can not be solved in a> > manner> > > to be acceptable to the majority of astrologers.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection in Kp> > > > by many senior astrologers, an assessment made by themselves, I> > > > have to say, that few months back I had put up my own Birth Chart> > > > and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet Rahu,> > which> > > > they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in Ketus> > > > Nakshatra.> > > > And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra.> > > >> > > > I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would go> > better> > > > for> > > > me or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again they> > > > could not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my Chart> > are in> > > > same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own Guru ,> > > > Mr.Sahasne,> > > > of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and also> > > > confirmed by the> > > > book of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt. The book> > has> > > > given clear cut examples how one should look at the SubLord in> > case> > > > 2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is same> > > > then one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is signifying> > > > benefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs would> > > > be good, and if the other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord is> > > > malefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regarding Bhaskar's chart, June 28, 1961, 10:14 AM, Eluru, AP,> > > 16N44, 81E09, NKPA, Asc Leo 15:50:40, Mar Leo 06: 18:14, Rah Leo> > > 06:40:37 and both planets in the same star of Ket and same sub of> > Rah,> > > the following standard KP signification is well known to any KP> > > learners:> > >> > >> > >> > > Plt Ma(12,4,9) is in the star of Ket(12,6,4,9,5,7,10) and in the> > sub of> > > Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9) by taking into account of Rah is agent of Sun> > & Mar> > > and Ket is agent of Mar & Sat, and no planet is in the star of Sat.> > >> > >> > >> > > Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars, Rahu is stronger> > than> > > Mars.> > >> > > Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition, it will also> > > strongly give the result of its starlord Ket(12) and normally the> > result> > > of its signlord Sun(10,1).> > >> > >> > >> > > This rule of pointing out which of the two planets will be> > favorable on> > > the basic of sub-sub lord is found in Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani,> > > page 42 as well as Astrosecrets and KP Part II, page 179. With due> > > respect to Shri Bhatt as the best narrator of KP, this rule is> > still> > > open to empirical research. For example, for Example chart-1 in> > this> > > Bhatt's book, Male, July 7, 1912, 20:42 PM IST, 23N02, 72E35, NKPA> > > 22:32:44, Asc Cap 12:28:12, Sun Gem 22:32:38, Ven Gem 22:57:58 and> > both> > > planets in the same star of Jup and same sub of Sat, it is not> > clear> > > whether Ven Dasa giving first job, marriage, 3 children, one time> > > regular promotion is unfavorable for being in the sub-sub of Sun> > (6,8)> > > and Sun Dasa giving one more child, one more ordinary promotion and> > > father's death is favorable for being in the sub-sub of Ven> > (6,5,10).> > > For Christina Onassis's AA chart, Dec 11, 1950, 20:00 PM, New York,> > > NY, 40N43,74W00, NKPA 23:04:55, Asc Can 12:45:50, Moo Cap> > 03:32:38, Mar> > > 04:19:07 and both planets in the same star of Sun, same sub Sat,> > it is> > > not found the Dasa lord Mar to be more favorable by being in the> > sub-sub> > > of Moo(6,1) than Dasa lord Moo in the sub-sub of Mer(6,4,12).as> > her> > > happy family life in the Moo Dasa was destroyed due to father's> > > second marriage, her own marriage to stay away from father and> > divorce> > > in the Mars Dasa.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Here again the 4step> > > > theory> > > > which is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4 Step, also> > > > comes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord, whether any> > > > planet> > > > is in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned by the> > > > Sub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there and> > > > strength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > It would be helpful to try it emperically on some examples, if it> > could> > > be provided how the sub-sub idea be incorporated "practically" as> > also> > > suggested before in the following four step significators:> > >> > >> > >> > > For Bhaskar chart,> > >> > >> > >> > > Planet Ma+: 12> > >> > > Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > >> > > Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > >> > > Sublord of Ma is Ra:> > >> > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > >> > > Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > >> > >> > >> > > Planet Ra:> > >> > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > > Me{10,> > >> > > 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > >> > > Sublord of Ra is Ra:> > >> > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10, 1, Cnj> > > Me{10,> > >> > > 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])> > >> > >> > >> > > For Bhatt's Example chart-1,> > >> > >> > >> > > Planet Ve+: 6; 5; Cnj Su(6)> > >> > > Starlord of Ve is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7> > >> > > Sublord of Ve is Sa:> > >> > > Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)> > >> > >> > >> > > Planet Su:> > >> > > Starlord of Su is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7); Asp 7> > >> > > Sublord of Su is Sa:> > >> > > Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > I advice and request the seniors to accept that their knowledge> > as not> > > > complete, when such occasions arise, and not give round about> > answers,> > > > when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this does not> > > > deter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The> > experienced> > > > and seniors would still be always respected, because we> > > > know that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.> > > > This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in the> > hands of> > > > imperfect> > > > humans. Therefore to strive to move ahead is the right approach.> > > >> > > > There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at many> > > > levels in study and application of Astrological principles, as> > well> > > > as these limitations also persist and remain within individual> > > > perception of individual astrologers having their own demarcation> > > > Lines of intelligence and Logic which would move no further> > > > after the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current Dasha.> > > > The "know all" attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KP> > > > a bad name and we must always understand and remember that> > > > senior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a> > Senior> > > > astrologer, and neither having spent n number of years in> > > > astrology. There are certainly other factors like intuition and> > > > spiritual> > > > levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but would> > > > ever> > > > remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary> > stress> > > > has to be there, combined with humility of acceptance when a> > problem> > > > is not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept it.> > > > I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers not to> > > > look down> > > > upon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from where> > we> > > > have picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra rulers> > > > etcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too if> > checked> > > > by> > > > some research oriented astrologer may be found to be the> > > > part of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in Sayana> > > > astrology, who were the residents of India practising astrology> > > > before the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi> > principles> > > > too have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I respect> > > > Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in the> > > > traditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All forms> > > > of asrology have to be respected and all forms of divination> > > > and prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior to all,> > > > but the others may not be called inferior nor those practising> > > > these other methods as we are from a Secular Culture and> > > > Indians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindedness> > > > and large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects on> > Earth.> > > > Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so is the> > > > traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any> > superiority> > > > complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > We are here to learn KP.> > >> > >> > >> > > KP is mainly a sub theory, nothing else. Guruji KSK has crowed that> > > discovering of the sub made him crowned with success. Ttraditional> > > astrologers knew the division of star, sub, sub-sub etc as DBAS.> > But> > > they did not develop it nor they were aware of it as to how to> > apply in> > > the cusps and planets in that line like Guruji..> > >> > >> > >> > > "My friends, we have come up to this.- you should continue the> > > research and you may reach to further truth." (Guruji KSK)> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages across to> > few,> > > > for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your faith> > in the> > > > sensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in reading> > this> > > > long mail.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , swami@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > > > > Hari om ,> > > > > Dear sir,> > > > > Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?> > > > > Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.> > > > > So i said .Very interesting question.> > > > > In fact my understanding and reply could have been simple but> > It> > > > was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while> > posting ,> > > > He did knew answer too well.> > > > > In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.> > > > > In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship is> > just a> > > > constituent.> > > > > But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box, if one> > > > tries to answer by mixing .> > > > > thanks and regards.> > > > >> > > > > OM TATSAT> > > > > ------------------------> > > > > swami_rcs> > > > > ------------------------> > > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy> > > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy> > > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM> > > > > Re: Mother and Father - Which Planet for> > > > Leo nativity ?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Swamiji,> > > > > The IV cusp represents the Mother and the> > > > IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the> > > > respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in> > mind...I> > > > hope there will no longer be any confusion on his issue...as> > each sub> > > > is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help differentiate the> > > > cusps under discussion...> > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > > > swami@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > > > > Hari om ,> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > Very interesting question indeed.> > > > > OM TATSAT> > > > > ------------------------> > > > > swami_rcs> > > > > ------------------------> > > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy> > > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy> > > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > Bhaskar> > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM> > > > > Mother and Father - Which Planet for> > > > Leo nativity ?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > For a Leo Ascendant,> > > > > which planet signifies the Mother and which> > > > > planet signifies the Father ?> > > > >> > > > > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship> > > > > and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about> > > > > these matters, but I am looking for the answer> > > > > to the above Query. So please explain me> > > > > with refrence to the House Lordships please.> > > > >> > > > > In case both the Lords are the same, like in> > > > > above case, how should one proceed and judge> > > > > which planet represents the Father and the Mother> > > > > in Specially a Leo nativity ?> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------> > -----> > > > ----------> > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here> > to> > > > know how.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

1. In KP Badhaka is taken into consideration for health and

longevity only. In your chart Mars is Badhaka as lord of house 9. Of

course starlord is stronger than owner and sublord is more powerful

than starlord. The really needed house 11 is given by your belief of

sub sub and KB cuspal interlinks. Asp by Jup and beneficial

signification of the sublord of Badhaka house are supposed to give

relief.

 

2. Other factors not to worry are:

 

a) Prasna Marga --- Badhaka---a house of harm --- applicable to only

Horary astrology and not in natal astrology.

 

b) Jataka Parijata --- an additional condition: the Badhaka lord

for a particular lagana should be treated as an actual Badhaka, if it

simultaneously be the lord of the house tenanted by Mandi (Gulika) or

Kharesha (Lord of 22nd drekkana from the lagna).

 

c) V. K. Choudhry ---SA doest not believe in ---- maraka planets, ---

badhaka principles --- (if not closely associated with other

functional malefic planet or the most malefic

planet, its influence on any planet or the most effective point of a

house, would never be bad.)

 

3. Perhaps you've read the article " Saturn by K.S.K. " which appeared

twice in the KP & Astrology Year Books.

 

4. Let me conclude our constructive discussion with the following

quotation:

 

Quote---

 

Either node, but particularly Rahu when well placed and well

aspected can become the greatest benefic and give excellent results.

Either Node can be either very malefic, benefic or give mixed

results. Simplistic interpretations cannot be given in relationship

to the nodes. They must be understood in terms of a holistic

assessment of a horoscope.

 

A part is never the whole. ---- Unquote

 

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Good luck!

 

tw

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Tinwinji,

> Thanks very much for taking pains once again to go through the

> significations minutely and lay down the effects. I value the

efforts

> and time spent by you on my chart. I agree with most of your views

> mentioned therein. Since I value your knowledge and expereience

I

> also wish to ask You one more point. " Badhak "

or " badhaksthandhipati "

> is a terminology from Jamini an off shoot of Traditional or

better to

> put it as a part of the same. It has been conclusively proved

through

> experience that the badhak house, planet placed in it and the

> badhakstandhipati , certainly produce badhas, obstacles and

hurdles

> with the attributes of the houses they are connected with. In

that

> case if these same Planets - badhak Lord, Planet placed in Badhak

house,

> have placement in better starLords and SubLords, then would they

cease

> to remain or act like badhaks ? If we pick the badhaks and use

them in

> Kp, why are we not picking the Yogkarakas. Or are we using them ?

In

> that case Mars would act as a Yogkaraka or a badhak for my

ascendant ?

> This is a innocent query and not trying to test your patience. ( I

> personally feel that any planets which gives the results of the

good

> houses would become a Yogkaraka for any individual chart,

regardless of

> any pre-set or specified Format. In KP this would happen when any

> Benefic or Malefic planet is placed in the Star and sub of benefic

> planets ) Just for your information if it helps You, since you

have

> already spent time on my chart, the recent Saturn transit few

months

> ago, on the Natal Planets in my Chart , Rahu and Mars , went

> inconsequential. I had developed some fears actually about this

> transit, but luckily was saved of any malefic or benefic effects.

> Finally before this transit was about to take place, one week

before i

> found a good article in one of the KP books on how to judge

transits of

> any planet on the Natal Planets., which did give me some relief .

(It

> was a good article but which book I read, I do not remember at

the

> present) My above queries need not be replied if they trouble

You or

> take up your time or if they are uncomfortable queries. I respect

You

> and your time. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > My comments in Red, " ....................... "

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tinwinji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the response, but what has been

> > > given by you, is the significators, which

> > > I was not looking for. I was looking for the

> > > answer what results would Rahu Mahadasha

> > > give me ?

> >

> > On the basis of the effective signification of 12,4,9,6,10

house, the

> > Rahu Dasa is expected to give the following results in general:

> >

> > 1) The desirable are 6,10 (12 if you like as nature of your

> profession)

> > for betterment in your profession;

> >

> > 2) 4,6,10 (12 to 5,7,11) plus 12 may give undesirable results in

love

> > affair and marriage;

> >

> > 3) 12,4,10 (12 to 1,5,11) plus 9 (Badhaka) may be conducive to

health

> > problems; and

> >

> > 4) strong 12 may send you to a new evironment.

> >

> > Those results may be frutified in the jointly signified DBA

agreeing

> > with transit. For instance, Rah-Jup DB is supposed to give the

> > undesirable results due to the effective signification of 4,8,12

> (10,2,6

> > of opponent). Rah-Jup DB can give the desirable result.

> >

> > Plt Jup(5,5,8); Stl Moo(4,12); Sbl Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9); and no

planet

> is

> > in the star of Jup, which is Sbl of 2,4,8,12.

> >

> >

> > Plt Sat(5,6,7); Stl Sun(10,1); Sbl Mer(10,12,11); and no planet

in the

> > star of Sat which is Sbl of 6,10.

> >

> > Because at times numbers of houses

> > > are misleading. If one has 6 and 12 running

> > > as Mahadasha, does not mean that he would have

> > > a Divorce essentially or hospitalisastion

> > > essentially. It may also mean that the

> > > native is earning money through advising,

> > > - On Investments as Financial Advissor,

> > > or on astrology or on anything

> > > through Brokerage, Fees commissions etc.

> > > and he may be doing this sitting on Bed

> > > (Which I do for about 10-12 hours in the

> > > comfort of my Room and Bed where I have my PC).

> > > 6 and 8 may not neceesarily mean surgery,

> > > it may also mean some unearned income

> > > (If we mix traditional and if the

> > > combination persists then through

> > > Vipareeta Rajyoga- I have this combination

> > > in my Horoscope too by the way)

> > >

> >

> > In your chart, JHora shows Naabhasa Yoga, Budha-Aditya Yoga,

Rajayoga,

> > Viparita Raja Yoga etc and 127% Shadbala for Mar, 126% for Jup,

and so

> > on , which are not used in KP.

> >

> >

> > > Now since you have made a effort to locate

> > > my chart from the archives, and taken trouble

> > > to make it, let me explain.

> > >

> > > First of all I also accentuate that not only one

> > > rule but all rules in KP are open to empirical research,

> > > for the only reason that whatever KP is known to us, is

> > > very useful, and we should not let the other rules

> > > untested or unresearched. There may be plenty of Gems

> > > there which may be missed.

> > >

> > > Now taking my chart as a pointer and example -

> > > (Since you have taken pains in locating birth

> > > details , making the chart and jotting down the

> > > significators).

> > >

> > > Rahu will not have any entity of its own.

> > > Rahu will loose much of its maleficness.

> > > (If You mix Lal kitab then this is confirmed,

> > > as Sun Mercury conjunction will not allow

> > > Rahu or Mars to remain malefic).

> >

> >

> >

> > It will be so nice, if the most found Sun- Mercury conjunction

will

> > not allow

> > tricky and dangerous Rahu or Mars to remain malefic.

> >

> >

> > > (Traditionally Rahu with a Yogkaraka in Kendra

> > > in Natal Chart in Lagna-Leo would prove to be

> > > a MD par excellence as per materialisitc gains

> > > are concerned ).

> > >

> > > Well I will not talk much about other systems

> > > since this is a KP Forum and

> > > do not wish to invite criticism from the

> > > hardliners of KP. Rahu is in star of Ketu.

> > > But SubLord is Rahu itself. Now what does

> > > that mean ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Rah is strong to give the results of its own as a planet.

> >

> >

> >

> > Results of Ketu would be experienced

> > > but the demarcated lines of those results would

> > > be within the area allowed by the Sub Lord. Now

> > > if Sub Lord is the Planet in itself about which

> > > we wish to know, then we naturally move

> > > to the Sub Sub Lord to check the results.

> > > Here the Sub Sub Lord incidentally happens to

> > > be Mercury, and no planets in the 2nd and 11th Cusp,

> > > anmd neither in star of Mercury, therefore would not

> > > Rahu become the prime significator for Mercury and

> > > offer the results of Mercury finally ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Shri Bhatt has not taken into consideration of the results

of 'Sub

> Sub'

> > lord in the example charts of his books.

> >

> > Dr. Kar's application of the sub sub in his MST is different.

> >

> >

> > > Well, by Gods grace this is what I have been

> > > experiencing ( 2 and 11) since the Rahu Mahadasha

> > > started in January 2007 (Nearly 1 Year completing).

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > I wish you so.

> >

> >

> > > No concluding and adding to what You said, that Rahu

> > > would give results of -

> > >

> > > // Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars,

> > > Rahu is stronger than > Mars.

> > > > > Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition,

> > > it will also > strongly give the result of its starlord

> > > Ket(12) and normally the result

> > > > of its signlord Sun(10,1). //

> > >

> > >

> > > I add that Rahu would also give results of 2 and 11.

> > >

> >

> >

> > It cannot be added like this as per KP or Bhatt or Dr. Kar.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Now coming to the 2nd Query-

> > > Which Mahadasha would fare better ?

> > > Mars Mahadasha or Rahu Mahadasha ?

> > >

> >

> > Rahu Dasa would fare better because its signlord Su(10,1) is

supposed

> to

> > be effective as Rah is in its own sub.

> >

> >

> > > Mars is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.

> > > Rahu is in star of Ketu and sublord is Rahu.

> > >

> > > If in both cases starlord and sublord is same,

> > > then how to differentiate ?

> > >

> > > Here the Sub Sub Lord would help us.

> >

> >

> >

> > Shri Bhatt says so but as mentioned in the previous mail it is

not

> > conclusive in his explained Example chart- 1.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > The SSL for Mars is Saturn, and

> > > The SSL for Rahu is Mercury.

> > >

> > > Saturn is owner of 6th and 7th for Leo nativity, while

> > > Mercury is onwer of 2n and 11th for Leo nativity, and

> > > here Mercury will strongly represent both these Cusps

> > > 2 and 11, since these both are vacant with no planets

> > > in these Cusps, and also no planet in Mercury star.

> > >

> > > Hence the logical conslcusion that Rahu Mahadasha would

> > > fare much better than the Mars Mahadasha in my example.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > I think so and wish you so.

> >

> >

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Rest God knows better.

> > >

> > > I normally never go to the Sub Sub Lord to check

> > > results , because if one is able to

> > > predict accurately till Sub Lord, then that too'

> > > is a tribute to his learning of astrology, one

> > > need not go to the Sub Sub Lord level unnecessarily,

> > > but in the above case where two Mahadashas having same

> > > Star Lord and Sub Lord, and one Mahadasha preceding

> > > the other,it makes sense to check the SSL for delineating

> > > the results.

> > >

> > > I thank you very much for your kind appraisal and

> > > agree with you on all your points mentioned

> > > in Your mail.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > My comments are in Red " ............... "

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Swamiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right, my question was too simple, but the

> > > > > answer was not available , because the answer is elusive.

> > > > > I had already mentioned that I am not talking of KP, as you

> > > > > rightly pointed out, but even if we take Kp under

> > > > > consideration, whereas Lordship is concerned , even the

> > > > > self-proclaimed experts would have to look sideways.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Leo ascendant -

> > > > > In traditional, both the 4th House Lord for Mother, and

> > > > > the 9th house Lord for father, is designated by the same

planet.

> > > > > This planet is Mars. So suppose a bad transit is expected

then

> > > > > whom shall one consider to bear the brunt, will it be the

> mother,

> > > > > or the Father ? Or if we take the Planet Mars as karaka

planet ,

> > > > > then even younger brother would come in.

> > > > > Therefore if Saturn is crossing mars, then it will effect

the

> > > > > corresponding results on whom ? Mother, Father or Younger

> > > > > Brother ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Considering KP again, the 4th Cusp and 9th Cuspal Lordship

> > > > > would in 95% of the case, would go to the same planet Mars.

> > > > > Then here Mars should be considered as the Significator for

> > > > > The Mother or the Father ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Now if one argues that the sublords of the aforesaid Cusps

> > > > > would give separate effects in both the cases, of results

in

> > > Mothers

> > > > > Life, and Fathers Life, then that argument is acceptable,

but

> > > > > again I still do not get the answer, which planet is the

actual

> > > > > Prime signification for Mother and Father respectively

> > > > > in the Horoscope. Or shall we consider the sublords of

these

> > > > > Houses as representing the Mother and Father ? Then this

would

> > > > > be a too far fetched view, because unless the Birth

Ascendant is

> > > > > rectified and so are the Cusps, one will not get the right

> > > answer.

> > > > > And rectification is not so easy, as it is made out to be.

> > > > > There are many vacant quotients yet to be covered.

Ultimately

> > > > > most of the rectification is done by using 5-7 planets,

then

> > > what is

> > > > > Left finally ? Unless one uses the LSRD and in extreme

cases

> > > > > the Ascendant star , the rectification is just a Farcical

> > > excersises

> > > > > with 7 planets taken in the process. I doubt most of the

> > > > > astrologers attaining actual satisfaction or contentment

after

> > > having

> > > > > done rectification in 7 out of 10 Birth Charts. Even if the

> Cusps

> > > > > are rectified, the Cuspal Lords may still remain the same

in

> both

> > > > > cases, though the Sub Lords of these may give seperate

results,

> > > > > but they can only be considered as result-denoting and not

the

> > > actual

> > > > > Planets representing Mother or Father which would be wrong

> > > > > by any stretch of imagination and definition.

> > > >

> > > > > Therefore ultimately the answer for my query did not

> > > > > come forth by these experts. They could say in plain words,

> > > > > in Leo Native, which planet should be considered as

representing

> > > > > Mother, and which as Father.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In KP this issue does not arise as the 9th cuspal sublord is

> > > considered

> > > > for finding out all about father. The accuracy of birth time

and

> > > > rectification are different issues which can not be solved

in a

> > > manner

> > > > to be acceptable to the majority of astrologers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Now portrayal of proclaiming of having attained perfection

in Kp

> > > > > by many senior astrologers, an assessment made by

themselves, I

> > > > > have to say, that few months back I had put up my own Birth

> Chart

> > > > > and asked them to analyse the results of just one planet

Rahu,

> > > which

> > > > > they could not do. Why ? Because Rahu in my chart is in

Ketus

> > > > > Nakshatra.

> > > > > And ketu is in Rahus Nakshatra.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also asked them to tell me whether Mars. Mahadasha would

go

> > > better

> > > > > for

> > > > > me or Rahus Dasha with go better for me, but again they

> > > > > could not comment on same, because Rahu and Mars, in my

Chart

> > > are in

> > > > > same degreecal conjunction. I got the answer from my own

Guru ,

> > > > > Mr.Sahasne,

> > > > > of Bombay, within 1 minute of showing him my Chart. and

also

> > > > > confirmed by the

> > > > > book of Nakshatra Chintamani by late Chandrakant Bhatt.

The book

> > > has

> > > > > given clear cut examples how one should look at the

SubLord in

> > > case

> > > > > 2 planets are in same degrees and sign, and if sublord is

same

> > > > > then one must move to the sub-sub Lord. If the SSL is

signifying

> > > > > benefic planets then the result of that mahadsahs would

> > > > > be good, and if the other SSL of the other mahadasha Lord

is

> > > > > malefic, then predict a mlefic Mahadasha result.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regarding Bhaskar's chart, June 28, 1961, 10:14 AM, Eluru,

AP,

> > > > 16N44, 81E09, NKPA, Asc Leo 15:50:40, Mar Leo 06: 18:14, Rah

Leo

> > > > 06:40:37 and both planets in the same star of Ket and same

sub of

> > > Rah,

> > > > the following standard KP signification is well known to any

KP

> > > > learners:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Plt Ma(12,4,9) is in the star of Ket(12,6,4,9,5,7,10) and in

the

> > > sub of

> > > > Rah(6,12,10,1,4,9) by taking into account of Rah is agent of

Sun

> > > & Mar

> > > > and Ket is agent of Mar & Sat, and no planet is in the star

of

> Sat.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Since Rah is very closely conjoined with Mars, Rahu is

stronger

> > > than

> > > > Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu will give what ever Mar has to give. In addition, it

will

> also

> > > > strongly give the result of its starlord Ket(12) and

normally the

> > > result

> > > > of its signlord Sun(10,1).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This rule of pointing out which of the two planets will be

> > > favorable on

> > > > the basic of sub-sub lord is found in Bhatt's Nakshatra

> Chintamani,

> > > > page 42 as well as Astrosecrets and KP Part II, page 179.

With due

> > > > respect to Shri Bhatt as the best narrator of KP, this rule

is

> > > still

> > > > open to empirical research. For example, for Example chart-1

in

> > > this

> > > > Bhatt's book, Male, July 7, 1912, 20:42 PM IST, 23N02,

72E35, NKPA

> > > > 22:32:44, Asc Cap 12:28:12, Sun Gem 22:32:38, Ven Gem

22:57:58 and

> > > both

> > > > planets in the same star of Jup and same sub of Sat, it is

not

> > > clear

> > > > whether Ven Dasa giving first job, marriage, 3 children, one

time

> > > > regular promotion is unfavorable for being in the sub-sub of

Sun

> > > (6,8)

> > > > and Sun Dasa giving one more child, one more ordinary

promotion

> and

> > > > father's death is favorable for being in the sub-sub of Ven

> > > (6,5,10).

> > > > For Christina Onassis's AA chart, Dec 11, 1950, 20:00 PM, New

> York,

> > > > NY, 40N43,74W00, NKPA 23:04:55, Asc Can 12:45:50, Moo Cap

> > > 03:32:38, Mar

> > > > 04:19:07 and both planets in the same star of Sun, same sub

Sat,

> > > it is

> > > > not found the Dasa lord Mar to be more favorable by being in

the

> > > sub-sub

> > > > of Moo(6,1) than Dasa lord Moo in the sub-sub of Mer

(6,4,12).as

> > > her

> > > > happy family life in the Moo Dasa was destroyed due to

father's

> > > > second marriage, her own marriage to stay away from father

and

> > > divorce

> > > > in the Mars Dasa.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here again the 4step

> > > > > theory

> > > > > which is nothing but the KP itself , but modified as 4

Step,

> also

> > > > > comes in play, when one checks for the Sub-Sub Lord,

whether any

> > > > > planet

> > > > > is in the Sub-Sub Lords star. and whether the houses owned

by

> the

> > > > > Sub-Sub Lord are Vacant or having some planet placed there

and

> > > > > strength of the SL or SSL reckoned as the case may be..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It would be helpful to try it emperically on some examples,

if it

> > > could

> > > > be provided how the sub-sub idea be

incorporated " practically " as

> > > also

> > > > suggested before in the following four step significators:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For Bhaskar chart,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Planet Ma+: 12

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Ma is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10,

1,

> Cnj

> > > >

> > > > Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

> > > >

> > > > Sublord of Ma is Ra:

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10,

1,

> Cnj

> > > >

> > > > Me{10, 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Planet Ra:

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10,

1,

> Cnj

> > > > Me{10,

> > > >

> > > > 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

> > > >

> > > > Sublord of Ra is Ra:

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ke: 6; Sgl Sa(5, 7); Stl Ra(12, Sgl Su[10,

1,

> Cnj

> > > > Me{10,

> > > >

> > > > 2-11}], Cnj Ma[12])

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For Bhatt's Example chart-1,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Planet Ve+: 6; 5; Cnj Su(6)

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Ve is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7);

Asp 7

> > > >

> > > > Sublord of Ve is Sa:

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Planet Su:

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Su is Ju: 10; 3-12; Asp Me(7, 9, Asp 1, Cnj 7);

Asp 7

> > > >

> > > > Sublord of Su is Sa:

> > > >

> > > > Starlord of Sa is Su: 6; Cnj Ve(6, 5)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I advice and request the seniors to accept that their

knowledge

> > > as not

> > > > > complete, when such occasions arise, and not give round

about

> > > answers,

> > > > > when they cant find any sensible one to reply. And this

does not

> > > > > deter one from respect, or cause loss of any status. The

> > > experienced

> > > > > and seniors would still be always respected, because we

> > > > > know that no Human can be perfect, but only God can be.

> > > > > This Divine science of astrology is a Perfect science in

the

> > > hands of

> > > > > imperfect

> > > > > humans. Therefore to strive to move ahead is the right

approach.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is something known as Limitations, which occurs at

many

> > > > > levels in study and application of Astrological

principles, as

> > > well

> > > > > as these limitations also persist and remain within

individual

> > > > > perception of individual astrologers having their own

> demarcation

> > > > > Lines of intelligence and Logic which would move no further

> > > > > after the drawn limit in the persons chart and his current

> Dasha.

> > > > > The " know all " attitude of many KP astrologers is giving KP

> > > > > a bad name and we must always understand and remember that

> > > > > senior by age is not the only criteria for some one being a

> > > Senior

> > > > > astrologer, and neither having spent n number of years in

> > > > > astrology. There are certainly other factors like

intuition and

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > levels without the aid of which none can move forward , but

> would

> > > > > ever

> > > > > remain stagnant with his acquired knowledge. So the primary

> > > stress

> > > > > has to be there, combined with humility of acceptance when

a

> > > problem

> > > > > is not cracked with ones available tools, he should accept

it.

> > > > > I also take this opportunity to request all KP astrologers

not

> to

> > > > > look down

> > > > > upon Traditional astrology which are the roots of KP, from

where

> > > we

> > > > > have picked up the Lordships,. Vimsottari Dasha, Nakshatra

> rulers

> > > > > etcetra, except for the Placidus House division, which too

if

> > > checked

> > > > > by

> > > > > some research oriented astrologer may be found to be the

> > > > > part of Sayana astrology used by the Yavanas of Yore in

Sayana

> > > > > astrology, who were the residents of India practising

astrology

> > > > > before the dawn of Vedic astrology, and from where few Nadi

> > > principles

> > > > > too have been picked. Though I am a Kp Astrologer but I

respect

> > > > > Parashar Rishi and his astrology and always go deep in the

> > > > > traditional studies for any reply I do not find in KP. All

forms

> > > > > of asrology have to be respected and all forms of

divination

> > > > > and prognistication too. Vedic astrology may be superior

to all,

> > > > > but the others may not be called inferior nor those

practising

> > > > > these other methods as we are from a Secular Culture and

> > > > > Indians and the world loks upon us for our Broad mindedness

> > > > > and large heartedness in all aspects of Life and subjects

on

> > > Earth.

> > > > > Same goes with KP. KP is good for many solutions, but so

is the

> > > > > traditional . Therefore there should be no place for any

> > > superiority

> > > > > complex anywhere within us practising KP astrologers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We are here to learn KP.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > KP is mainly a sub theory, nothing else. Guruji KSK has

crowed

> that

> > > > discovering of the sub made him crowned with success.

Ttraditional

> > > > astrologers knew the division of star, sub, sub-sub etc as

DBAS.

> > > But

> > > > they did not develop it nor they were aware of it as to how

to

> > > apply in

> > > > the cusps and planets in that line like Guruji..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " My friends, we have come up to this.- you should continue

the

> > > > research and you may reach to further truth. " (Guruji KSK)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Swamiji, through this mail I have sent messages

across to

> > > few,

> > > > > for some introspection, and thank you for restoring your

faith

> > > in the

> > > > > sensibility of my Query. Also thanks for the patience in

reading

> > > this

> > > > > long mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , swami@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II

> > > > > > Hari om ,

> > > > > > Dear sir,

> > > > > > Before replying,I saw from where question is coming?

> > > > > > Mr Bhasker is a very intelligent astrologer on this list.

> > > > > > So i said .Very interesting question.

> > > > > > In fact my understanding and reply could have been

simple but

> > > It

> > > > > was too basic to mention.Mr bhasker himself clarified while

> > > posting ,

> > > > > He did knew answer too well.

> > > > > > In KP emphasis is on significator.Lordship is secondary.

> > > > > > In traditional Many more factors are considered.Lordship

is

> > > just a

> > > > > constituent.

> > > > > > But for a beginner Question opens a lot of pindora box,

if one

> > > > > tries to answer by mixing .

> > > > > > thanks and regards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM TATSAT

> > > > > > ------------------------

> > > > > > swami_rcs

> > > > > > ------------------------

> > > > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> > > > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> > > > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:50 AM

> > > > > > Re: Mother and Father - Which

Planet for

> > > > > Leo nativity ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Swamiji,

> > > > > > The IV cusp represents the Mother and the

> > > > > IXth cusp represents the Father...not only the lords of the

> > > > > respective houses...as per K.P..which needs to be borne in

> > > mind...I

> > > > > hope there will no longer be any confusion on his

issue...as

> > > each sub

> > > > > is ruled by atleast 4 planets...which will help

differentiate

> the

> > > > > cusps under discussion...

> > > > > > With kind regards,

> > > > > > L.Y.Rao.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > swami@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II

> > > > > > Hari om ,

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > Very interesting question indeed.

> > > > > > OM TATSAT

> > > > > > ------------------------

> > > > > > swami_rcs

> > > > > > ------------------------

> > > > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy

> > > > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy

> > > > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Monday, December 10, 2007 12:12 PM

> > > > > > Mother and Father - Which Planet

for

> > > > > Leo nativity ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For a Leo Ascendant,

> > > > > > which planet signifies the Mother and which

> > > > > > planet signifies the Father ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know about the 4th Cusp Sub Lordship

> > > > > > and the 9th Cusp Sub Lordship, and about

> > > > > > these matters, but I am looking for the answer

> > > > > > to the above Query. So please explain me

> > > > > > with refrence to the House Lordships please.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In case both the Lords are the same, like in

> > > > > > above case, how should one proceed and judge

> > > > > > which planet represents the Father and the Mother

> > > > > > in Specially a Leo nativity ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com

> > > > > >

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