Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Dear Learned members,Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Mr.Naidu, The time of Birth adopted by different people are different...but as per K.P., the correct TOB is at the time of the first cry of the infant...which perhaps is seldom noted down correctly...if it is noted down correctly, the s/l of the Ascendant will surely have a connection(as prescribed by K.P., with the star in which Moon is posited at birth... The TOB can certainly be corrected so as to meet the above criteria... but this could involve considerable time,as one needs to match events occured in life etc...to confirm,by trial and errorto arrive at the exact TOB, etc., but in present days, a consultant always seems to be in great hurry,and wants quick replies to most queries...or the TOB/DOB given is way off the mark,hence,personally,I resort to Horary in such cases, to ensure accuracy in predictions...The correctness or otherwise of the TOB does not come into the picture at all... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao."K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Dear Learned members,Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Mr Naidu Namaskar Though I dont profess to be an expert yet I agree with you regarding the problem with natal horoscope and the accuracy that one can attain from it.The problem has its roots as you said in the accuracy of the birth time. This problem has been overcome by rectifying the birth chart but on routine basis I think rectifying the birth chart would be time consuming and also many of us are still not well versed with the technique. So the best thing is to rely on horary. With regards Yours sincerely --- " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > Dear Learned members, > > Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I > understand, give more successful results compared > to Natal astrological predictions due to birth > time accuracy problem in natal chart. > > The predictions on life events like marriage, > employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher > education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora > - are not tallying. > > It is learnt that KP astrology works more > successfully on Hora method and is not much useful > in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on > natal chart. > > The learned KP astrologers are requested to give > their valuable opinions based on their experiences > on the above please. > > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Jayant Giri Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. To know how, go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Mr Naidu KP is succeful on Natal Charts as well, providd one verifies/corrects the Birth time. "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Dear Learned members,Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 yes mr.naidu ur very correct kp gives horary results 99%correct but in natal chart they are not always correct...its not possible to rectify each and everyone's birth time........and if also corrected then also its not possible to bring the birth time upto minutes and seconds........kp is more useful in horary astrology to me........though who has correct birth time find kp helpful also in natal chart........but we should judge by traditional method alsoRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Mr Naidu KP is succeful on Natal Charts as well, providd one verifies/corrects the Birth time. "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Learned members,Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Thanks Mr.Raichurji for your kind response. will you pl give me your experience on the para 2 of my mailWith Regards,KP Naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Iuse Horary, where I am not sure of the TOB. Mr L.Y.Rao has given a detailed reply. I concur with him "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Thanks Mr.Raichurji for your kind response. will you pl give me your experience on the para 2 of my mailWith Regards,KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. raichur anant www.jaxtr.com\anantachar Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I think you are right Mr. Naidu. I have also experienced it. I have been doing traditional Astrology for quite sometime. Recently started doing KP which is amazingly correct in Horary. However, the natal chart does let you figure out in general if something is promised or not. Raman KaliaGaborone, BotswanaSouthern AfricaTel : ® (267)-3932259 (M) (267)-72206394K. P. Naidu <konathalanTo: Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2007 6:34:28 PM Natal Vs. Hora Dear Learned members,Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear Rao Ji Nameste, May I seek to state 1. Astrological Birth time ( birth time answering the native as per KP or Any method) could span from apperance of head to tuning with earthlife of child according to his Karma.This is revaled by Method of RP irrespective of definitions in vogue.It is found to vary upto about half ghati in some of recorded cases.Prof KSK did state Rectification upto SUB-SUB level himself based on RP. 2. Fixing of SUB-SUB level is bit difficult but sex of native and vighati X4/9 method gives acceptable time within SUB of ASC. In cases where predictions have come accurate It certainly did not confirm cry of child or cutting of umbical cord whereever known. 3. With availability of Softwares it is possible to investigate further. Views are submitted with humbleness and for giving a trial. Please do not treat this mail as contradiction.To me it has proved a possibility.In larger context it may not come true. Also I would mention It is not my research or finding.This is one view held in past right from Risis to recent schloras like Gerhard Zinn ( ref A & A say march 87....) I may also post some cases if permitted by my consultants from my Case diary but have to finalise more by examples on which I have been working for past few months. Lastly If astrology is a science Why phalit and timing could be different when prediction arrived at is from Natal or Horary.It must be atleast nearly same. With regards. OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction! - Yogesh Rao Lajmi Cc: K.P.Naidu Monday, December 10, 2007 10:39 AM Re: Natal Vs. Hora Dear Mr.Naidu, The time of Birth adopted by different people are different...but as per K.P., the correct TOB is at the time of the first cry of the infant...which perhaps is seldom noted down correctly...if it is noted down correctly, the s/l of the Ascendant will surely have a connection(as prescribed by K.P., with the star in which Moon is posited at birth... The TOB can certainly be corrected so as to meet the above criteria... but this could involve considerable time,as one needs to match events occured in life etc...to confirm,by trial and errorto arrive at the exact TOB, etc., but in present days, a consultant always seems to be in great hurry,and wants quick replies to most queries...or the TOB/DOB given is way off the mark,hence,personally,I resort to Horary in such cases, to ensure accuracy in predictions...The correctness or otherwise of the TOB does not come into the picture at all... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao."K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Learned members,Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Thank you Mr.Rao garu for your kind clarification which has been given earlier in number of of messages in this grioup. Will you pl give your opinion on para 2, even if the Natal chart is correctly prepared based on correct Birth time. Good Luck. KP NaiduK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Swamiji, As per the latest thinking on the correct TOB...it is opined that the time of the first cry(first breath),is the Exact one...and not appearance or "sighting" of the head of the child or any other observation...(i.e.,when life actually begins to thrive...) The Ruling planets such a Time of Birth will be the same as those at the time when fertilisation actually took place...(time of epoch),this is the K.P. Theory, on which checking up on the correct TOB is based upon...the st.lord and the sublord of the Moon must appear as the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant,respectively... You may please also refer to the chapter "Ascendant-Lagna" in part II of the excellent book..."Astrosecrets & K.P." by K.Subramaniam... for a more detailed explanation and additional information... I have explained this earlier in these very columns...indeed. With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. swami wrote: II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear Rao Ji Nameste, May I seek to state 1. Astrological Birth time ( birth time answering the native as per KP or Any method) could span from apperance of head to tuning with earthlife of child according to his Karma.This is revaled by Method of RP irrespective of definitions in vogue.It is found to vary upto about half ghati in some of recorded cases.Prof KSK did state Rectification upto SUB-SUB level himself based on RP. 2. Fixing of SUB-SUB level is bit difficult but sex of native and vighati X4/9 method gives acceptable time within SUB of ASC. In cases where predictions have come accurate It certainly did not confirm cry of child or cutting of umbical cord whereever known. 3. With availability of Softwares it is possible to investigate further. Views are submitted with humbleness and for giving a trial. Please do not treat this mail as contradiction.To me it has proved a possibility.In larger context it may not come true. Also I would mention It is not my research or finding.This is one view held in past right from Risis to recent schloras like Gerhard Zinn ( ref A & A say march 87....) I may also post some cases if permitted by my consultants from my Case diary but have to finalise more by examples on which I have been working for past few months. Lastly If astrology is a science Why phalit and timing could be different when prediction arrived at is from Natal or Horary.It must be atleast nearly same. With regards. OM TATSAT------------------------swami_rcs------------------------ Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction! - Yogesh Rao Lajmi Cc: K.P.Naidu Monday, December 10, 2007 10:39 AM Re: Natal Vs. Hora Dear Mr.Naidu, The time of Birth adopted by different people are different...but as per K.P., the correct TOB is at the time of the first cry of the infant...which perhaps is seldom noted down correctly...if it is noted down correctly, the s/l of the Ascendant will surely have a connection(as prescribed by K.P., with the star in which Moon is posited at birth... The TOB can certainly be corrected so as to meet the above criteria... but this could involve considerable time,as one needs to match events occured in life etc...to confirm,by trial and errorto arrive at the exact TOB, etc., but in present days, a consultant always seems to be in great hurry,and wants quick replies to most queries...or the TOB/DOB given is way off the mark,hence,personally,I resort to Horary in such cases, to ensure accuracy in predictions...The correctness or otherwise of the TOB does not come into the picture at all... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao."K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Learned members,Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Thank you Mr.raman Kalia for your kind views.Other members may kindly express their views and share their experiences.Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Thank you Mr.Bhaskar Basu for your kind reply and sharing your experience.Good LuckKP Naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Swamiji, Pranam.Thank you for your kind and thought proving reply.With Regards,KP Naidu K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear Sir, Thanks for valuable mail, 1.I will Read Part II,i do not have it .I did not purchase as Vol II and III were not authored by Mr Shanmugam. ( You may please also refer to the chapter " Ascendant-Lagna " in part II of the excellent book... " Astrosecrets & K.P. " by K.Subramaniam... for a more detailed explanation and additional information...) 2.In my mail I humbly submitted about bhupaden concept although subtily ( this forum is for Steller astrology) in light of data I have been working upon i find tuning to Erath life of once karma is significant.There is no known method of determining nishek and OR time when fertilisation actually took place....I am aware of various thinking about birth time but what matters is varifiable facts of life by horoscope from time of birth . 3 Thanks for stating " the st.lord and the sublord of the Moon must appear as the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,respectively... " My humble submission is If Here Moon refers to postion at time of fertilisation , in absence of varifiability it is assumption only.Has this been the view of Prof KSK,May be I am not aware. He has based his research on 17 sloka of Varamihir about Nasta jatak and few sloka on nishek in beginning of Brihat jatak. 4.Since I am still working am yet to try ,I find swami omkars teaching at variance from what has been mentioned here.Swami Omkar teaches at the moment of Judgement( for rectification of birth time) Moon position corresponds to ASC at Birth and Position of Asc at moment of judgement corresponds to moon at conception. Thanking once again for enlightening response. with regards. swami_rcs , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Swamiji, > As per the latest thinking on the correct TOB...it is opined that the time of the first cry(first breath),is the Exact one...and not appearance or " sighting " of the head of the child or any other observation...(i.e.,when life actually begins to thrive...) > The Ruling planets such a Time of Birth will be the same as those at the time when fertilisation actually took place...(time of epoch),this is the K.P. Theory, on which checking up on the correct TOB is based upon...the st.lord and the sublord of the Moon must appear as the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant,respectively... > You may please also refer to the chapter " Ascendant-Lagna " > in part II of the excellent book... " Astrosecrets & K.P. " by K.Subramaniam... for a more detailed explanation and additional information... > I have explained this earlier in these very columns...indeed. > With kind regards, > L.Y.Rao. > > > swami wrote: > > II Om Gurave Namah II > Hari om , > Dear Rao Ji Nameste, > May I seek to state > 1. Astrological Birth time ( birth time answering the native as per KP or Any method) could span from apperance of head to tuning with earthlife of child according to his Karma.This is revaled by Method of RP irrespective of definitions in vogue.It is found to vary upto about half ghati in some of recorded cases.Prof KSK did state Rectification upto SUB-SUB level himself based on RP. > 2. Fixing of SUB-SUB level is bit difficult but sex of native and vighati X4/9 method gives acceptable time within SUB of ASC. In cases where predictions have come accurate It certainly did not confirm cry of child or cutting of umbical cord whereever known. > 3. With availability of Softwares it is possible to investigate > further. Views are submitted with humbleness and for giving a trial. > Please do not treat this mail as contradiction.To me it has proved a possibility.In larger context it may not come true. > Also I would mention It is not my research or finding.This is one view held in past right from Risis to recent schloras like Gerhard Zinn ( ref A & A say march 87....) > I may also post some cases if permitted by my consultants from my Case diary but have to finalise more by examples on which I have been working for past few months. > Lastly If astrology is a science Why phalit and timing could be different when prediction arrived at is from Natal or Horary.It must be atleast nearly same. > With regards. > > OM TATSAT > ------------------------ > swami_rcs > ------------------------ > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > our sins, and guide us in the right direction! > > - > Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > Cc: K.P.Naidu > Monday, December 10, 2007 10:39 AM > Re: Natal Vs. Hora > > > Dear Mr.Naidu, > The time of Birth adopted by different people are different...but as per K.P., the correct TOB is at the time of the first cry of the infant...which perhaps is seldom noted down correctly...if it is noted down correctly, the s/l of the Ascendant will surely have a connection(as prescribed by K.P., with the star in which Moon is posited at birth... > The TOB can certainly be corrected so as to meet the above criteria... but this could involve considerable time,as one needs to match events occured in life etc...to confirm,by trial and errorto arrive at the exact TOB, etc., but in present days, a consultant always seems to be in great hurry,and wants quick replies to most queries...or the TOB/DOB given is way off the mark,hence,personally,I resort to Horary in such cases, to ensure accuracy in predictions...The correctness or otherwise of the TOB does not come into the picture at all... > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > > " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > Dear Learned members, > > Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart. > > The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying. > > It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart. > > The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please. > > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. > Chat on a cool, new interface. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear RCS, In a Caesarian section how does one arrive at the exact TOB ? Similarly,an obstetrician or the nurses attending,during delivery,are busy cleaning the child etc., soon after his/her birth...making it very difficult to record the correct TOB... Astrologically speaking,a child begins to live only after he takes his first breath...which,for all practical purposes is at the time of the FIRST CRY...! Unfortunately,for a variety of reasons,this correct TOB is not noted down properly,as it should be...staring from clock following local time ...to... doctor is free to note only after cleaning the baby etc... To further verify the correctness,pl. check whether the star or sub of the IXth cusp is in Sun or Jup or Venus star...as Sun isakaraka,Jupiter is Putrakaraka and Venus is Kamakaraka... KSK also says,that as per the Karma Theory,the RPs at the Time of Judgement,will be the same as those,at the time of "the sprouting of the seed" (i.e. 9 lunar months before but translocated... It has been my personal experience that I correct the TOB, such that the sub-lord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant appears as the Moon-star and moon sub respectively...(subject to the limit of + or - 30 minutes from the actual time of birth...)...and such a TOB is found to be absolutely correct,verifying all known past events in life,very accurately,as per the Dasa/Bhukti/Anthara;/Sookshma... You are requested to try this out and kindly inform the results of your exercise... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. "R.C.Srivastava" <swami wrote: Dear Sir,Thanks for valuable mail,1.I will Read Part II,i do not have it .I did not purchase as Vol II and III were not authored by Mr Shanmugam.( You may please also refer to the chapter "Ascendant-Lagna"in part II of the excellent book..."Astrosecrets & K.P." by K.Subramaniam... for a more detailed explanation and additional information...)2.In my mail I humbly submitted about bhupaden concept although subtily ( this forum is for Steller astrology) in light of data I have been working upon i find tuning to Erath life of once karma is significant.There is no known method of determining nishek and OR time when fertilisation actually took place....I am aware of various thinking about birth time but what matters is varifiable facts of life by horoscope from time of birth .3 Thanks for stating "the st.lord and the sublord of the Moon must appear as the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,respectively..."My humble submission is If Here Moon refers to postion at time of fertilisation , in absence of varifiability it is assumption only.Has this been the view of Prof KSK,May be I am not aware.He has based his research on 17 sloka of Varamihir about Nasta jatak and few sloka on nishek in beginning of Brihat jatak.4.Since I am still working am yet to try ,I find swami omkars teaching at variance from what has been mentioned here.Swami Omkar teaches at the moment of Judgement( for rectification of birth time)Moon position corresponds to ASC at Birth and Position of Asc at moment of judgement corresponds to moon at conception.Thanking once again for enlightening response.with regards.swami_rcs , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Swamiji,> As per the latest thinking on the correct TOB...it is opined that the time of the first cry(first breath),is the Exact one...and not appearance or "sighting" of the head of the child or any other observation...(i.e.,when life actually begins to thrive...)> The Ruling planets such a Time of Birth will be the same as those at the time when fertilisation actually took place...(time of epoch),this is the K.P. Theory, on which checking up on the correct TOB is based upon...the st.lord and the sublord of the Moon must appear as the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant,respectively...> You may please also refer to the chapter "Ascendant-Lagna"> in part II of the excellent book..."Astrosecrets & K.P." by K.Subramaniam... for a more detailed explanation and additional information...> I have explained this earlier in these very columns...indeed.> With kind regards,> L.Y.Rao.> > > swami wrote:> > II Om Gurave Namah II> Hari om ,> Dear Rao Ji Nameste,> May I seek to state> 1. Astrological Birth time ( birth time answering the native as per KP or Any method) could span from apperance of head to tuning with earthlife of child according to his Karma.This is revaled by Method of RP irrespective of definitions in vogue.It is found to vary upto about half ghati in some of recorded cases.Prof KSK did state Rectification upto SUB-SUB level himself based on RP.> 2. Fixing of SUB-SUB level is bit difficult but sex of native and vighati X4/9 method gives acceptable time within SUB of ASC. In cases where predictions have come accurate It certainly did not confirm cry of child or cutting of umbical cord whereever known.> 3. With availability of Softwares it is possible to investigate> further. Views are submitted with humbleness and for giving a trial.> Please do not treat this mail as contradiction.To me it has proved a possibility.In larger context it may not come true.> Also I would mention It is not my research or finding.This is one view held in past right from Risis to recent schloras like Gerhard Zinn ( ref A & A say march 87....)> I may also post some cases if permitted by my consultants from my Case diary but have to finalise more by examples on which I have been working for past few months.> Lastly If astrology is a science Why phalit and timing could be different when prediction arrived at is from Natal or Horary.It must be atleast nearly same.> With regards.> > OM TATSAT> ------------------------> swami_rcs> ------------------------ > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > our sins, and guide us in the right direction!> > - > Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > Cc: K.P.Naidu > Monday, December 10, 2007 10:39 AM> Re: Natal Vs. Hora> > > Dear Mr.Naidu,> The time of Birth adopted by different people are different...but as per K.P., the correct TOB is at the time of the first cry of the infant...which perhaps is seldom noted down correctly...if it is noted down correctly, the s/l of the Ascendant will surely have a connection(as prescribed by K.P., with the star in which Moon is posited at birth...> The TOB can certainly be corrected so as to meet the above criteria... but this could involve considerable time,as one needs to match events occured in life etc...to confirm,by trial and errorto arrive at the exact TOB, etc., but in present days, a consultant always seems to be in great hurry,and wants quick replies to most queries...or the TOB/DOB given is way off the mark,hence,personally,I resort to Horary in such cases, to ensure accuracy in predictions...The correctness or otherwise of the TOB does not come into the picture at all...> With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> > "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote:> Dear Learned members,> > Hora astrological predictions in KP system, as I understand, give more successful results compared to Natal astrological predictions due to birth time accuracy problem in natal chart.> > The predictions on life events like marriage, employment, child birth, foreign travel, higher education etc., on both the methods - Natal and Hora - are not tallying.> > It is learnt that KP astrology works more successfully on Hora method and is not much useful in Natal horoscope reading and predictions based on natal chart.> > The learned KP astrologers are requested to give their valuable opinions based on their experiences on the above please.> > > K. P. Naidu,> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta,> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. 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