KP System- sub lord -can you throw some light ?

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Dear members,

 

I have studied KP system and I have a doubt about the basic assumption

of sub lord division and I will be obliged if any member can clarify

it.Kindly dont think that I am quetioning the wisdom of the discovery.

 

As I understand the star lord and sub lord in KP signifies the dasa

lord and bhukti lord of the vimshotri system. According to KP the sub

lord is the major deciding factor whereas in vimshotri no where so

much importance is given to the bhukti lord in fructification of an

event. The very fact that bhukti stands further sub divided into

antara, prayaantara, sookshma antara etc indicates that even though

the basis of division is in the ratio of the years alloted to each

planet an holistic approach is applied while predicting any event and

no special importance is attributed to bhukti lord alone. May be in

line with this some KP astrologers go one step further and divide the

sub lord into sub-sublord etc. But the crucial point is once you sub

divide it into further subdivisions and start analysing the

significators they are increasing the no of permutations and

combinations and almost all the nine planets will get a place in one

way or other.So any analysis after the incident has taken place can be

worked out by interlinking these combinations. My basic questions are

if sub lord is the deciding factor. Then the bhukti lord also must be

treated with that importance and no further divisions like sookshma

dasa etc is not required. am I wrong ?

regards

muralidaran ak

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Dear Members: It looks like that 2 different issues are mixed up here .Firstly in Vimshottari Dasa , the Dasa lord ,the Bhukti Lord and Antara Lord , follow in a Cyclic Manner for ALL the Individuals and has nothing to do with KP System . In KP system ,Guruji has stated , for the results of the Houses signified by any Planet at the time of Birth of the Individual , these results will be beneficial or Malefic , depending on the nature of the Sub Lord ,occupied by the Planet in question at Birth . So the 2 analogies are entirely different and has no relation as to how Guruji has divided the Sub Lords . Regardsakmuralidaran <akmuralidaran wrote: Dear members,I have studied KP system and I have a doubt about the basic assumptionof sub lord division and I will be obliged if any member can clarifyit.Kindly dont think that I am quetioning the wisdom of the discovery.As I understand the star lord and sub lord in KP signifies the dasalord and bhukti lord of the vimshotri system. According to KP the sublord is the major deciding factor whereas in vimshotri no where somuch importance is given to the bhukti lord in fructification of anevent. The very fact that bhukti stands further sub divided intoantara, prayaantara, sookshma antara etc indicates that even thoughthe basis of division is in the ratio of the years alloted to

eachplanet an holistic approach is applied while predicting any event andno special importance is attributed to bhukti lord alone. May be inline with this some KP astrologers go one step further and divide thesub lord into sub-sublord etc. But the crucial point is once you subdivide it into further subdivisions and start analysing thesignificators they are increasing the no of permutations andcombinations and almost all the nine planets will get a place in oneway or other.So any analysis after the incident has taken place can beworked out by interlinking these combinations. My basic questions areif sub lord is the deciding factor. Then the bhukti lord also must betreated with that importance and no further divisions like sookshmadasa etc is not required. am I wrong ?regardsmuralidaran ak

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Dear Mr. Dhar,Thank u for ur reply but i feel the logic behind the sub lord division is in tune with the dasa/bhukti lord division. As I mentioned Guruji never went beyond sub lord but today i find many KP astrologers using sub-sub lord etc which is again in tune with the dasa/bhukti/antara divisions.regardsmuralidaran akDhar <raichur_m wrote: Dear Members: It looks like that 2 different issues are mixed up here .Firstly in Vimshottari Dasa , the Dasa lord ,the Bhukti Lord and Antara Lord , follow in

a Cyclic Manner for ALL the Individuals and has nothing to do with KP System . In KP system ,Guruji has stated , for the results of the Houses signified by any Planet at the time of Birth of the Individual , these results will be beneficial or Malefic , depending on the nature of the Sub Lord ,occupied by the Planet in question at Birth . So the 2 analogies are entirely different and has no relation as to how Guruji has divided the Sub Lords . Regardsakmuralidaran <akmuralidaran (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear members,I have studied KP system and I have a doubt about the basic assumptionof sub lord division and I will be obliged if any member can clarifyit.Kindly dont think that I am quetioning the wisdom of the

discovery.As I understand the star lord and sub lord in KP signifies the dasalord and bhukti lord of the vimshotri system. According to KP the sublord is the major deciding factor whereas in vimshotri no where somuch importance is given to the bhukti lord in fructification of anevent. The very fact that bhukti stands further sub divided intoantara, prayaantara, sookshma antara etc indicates that even thoughthe basis of division is in the ratio of the years alloted to eachplanet an holistic approach is applied while predicting any event andno special importance is attributed to bhukti lord alone. May be inline with this some KP astrologers go one step further and divide thesub lord into sub-sublord etc. But the crucial point is once you subdivide it into further subdivisions and start analysing thesignificators they are increasing the no of permutations andcombinations and almost all the nine planets will get a

place in oneway or other.So any analysis after the incident has taken place can beworked out by interlinking these combinations. My basic questions areif sub lord is the deciding factor. Then the bhukti lord also must betreated with that importance and no further divisions like sookshmadasa etc is not required. am I wrong ?regardsmuralidaran ak Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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dear murlidharan, please understand the importance of transit first, then your doubt will be removed. for that please read reader 5th, transit. regards hs nagiDhar <raichur_m wrote: Dear Members: It looks like that 2 different issues are mixed up here .Firstly in Vimshottari Dasa , the Dasa lord ,the Bhukti Lord and Antara Lord , follow in a Cyclic Manner for ALL the Individuals and has nothing to do with KP System . In KP system ,Guruji

has stated , for the results of the Houses signified by any Planet at the time of Birth of the Individual , these results will be beneficial or Malefic , depending on the nature of the Sub Lord ,occupied by the Planet in question at Birth . So the 2 analogies are entirely different and has no relation as to how Guruji has divided the Sub Lords . Regardsakmuralidaran <akmuralidaran (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear members,I have studied KP system and I have a doubt about the basic assumptionof sub lord division and I will be obliged if any member can clarifyit.Kindly dont think that I am quetioning the wisdom of the discovery.As I understand the star lord and sub lord in KP signifies the dasalord and bhukti lord of the vimshotri system. According to KP

the sublord is the major deciding factor whereas in vimshotri no where somuch importance is given to the bhukti lord in fructification of anevent. The very fact that bhukti stands further sub divided intoantara, prayaantara, sookshma antara etc indicates that even thoughthe basis of division is in the ratio of the years alloted to eachplanet an holistic approach is applied while predicting any event andno special importance is attributed to bhukti lord alone. May be inline with this some KP astrologers go one step further and divide thesub lord into sub-sublord etc. But the crucial point is once you subdivide it into further subdivisions and start analysing thesignificators they are increasing the no of permutations andcombinations and almost all the nine planets will get a place in oneway or other.So any analysis after the incident has taken place can beworked out by interlinking these combinations. My basic

questions areif sub lord is the deciding factor. Then the bhukti lord also must betreated with that importance and no further divisions like sookshmadasa etc is not required. am I wrong ?regardsmuralidaran ak Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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Dear Shri muralidaran If i am not wrong, the question has very clearly been answered in KP Reader III and in book on horary astrology. Please go through. With best wishesDhar <raichur_m wrote: Dear Members: It looks like that 2 different issues are mixed up here .Firstly in Vimshottari Dasa , the Dasa lord ,the Bhukti Lord and Antara Lord , follow in a Cyclic Manner for ALL the Individuals and has nothing to

do with KP System . In KP system ,Guruji has stated , for the results of the Houses signified by any Planet at the time of Birth of the Individual , these results will be beneficial or Malefic , depending on the nature of the Sub Lord ,occupied by the Planet in question at Birth . So the 2 analogies are entirely different and has no relation as to how Guruji has divided the Sub Lords . Regardsakmuralidaran <akmuralidaran (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear members,I have studied KP system and I have a doubt about the basic assumptionof sub lord division and I will be obliged if any member can clarifyit.Kindly dont think that I am quetioning the wisdom of the discovery.As I understand the star lord and sub lord in KP signifies the dasalord and

bhukti lord of the vimshotri system. According to KP the sublord is the major deciding factor whereas in vimshotri no where somuch importance is given to the bhukti lord in fructification of anevent. The very fact that bhukti stands further sub divided intoantara, prayaantara, sookshma antara etc indicates that even thoughthe basis of division is in the ratio of the years alloted to eachplanet an holistic approach is applied while predicting any event andno special importance is attributed to bhukti lord alone. May be inline with this some KP astrologers go one step further and divide thesub lord into sub-sublord etc. But the crucial point is once you subdivide it into further subdivisions and start analysing thesignificators they are increasing the no of permutations andcombinations and almost all the nine planets will get a place in oneway or other.So any analysis after the incident has taken place can beworked out

by interlinking these combinations. My basic questions areif sub lord is the deciding factor. Then the bhukti lord also must betreated with that importance and no further divisions like sookshmadasa etc is not required. am I wrong ?regardsmuralidaran ak Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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Dean the same Dhar! I would like to give highlights on the subdivision into sub. Historically; you must underatand that the need for the subdivision was felt by our guruji Sri.K.S.K when was studying the horoscopes of Twins and also while analysing the results of card games. Of the two twins one is healthy and the other is sick. All the planetqry position and the ascendent are the same. Similarly in the game of cards one game one wins and the next he loses. With vedic astrological system this could not explained.Then he hit upon this division of stars into further subdivisions of subs. The order was like Vimshothri dasa order viz sun, moon,mars, rahu,jupiter,saturn,mercury,kethu,venus. Otherwise there is no connection betwen Das bhukthi and sub. good luck, jammalamadugu ranganDhar <raichur_m wrote: Dear Members: It looks like that 2 different issues are mixed up here .Firstly in Vimshottari Dasa , the Dasa lord ,the Bhukti Lord and Antara Lord , follow in a Cyclic Manner for ALL the Individuals and has nothing to do with KP System . In KP system ,Guruji has stated , for the results of the Houses signified by any Planet at the time of Birth of the Individual , these results

will be beneficial or Malefic , depending on the nature of the Sub Lord ,occupied by the Planet in question at Birth . So the 2 analogies are entirely different and has no relation as to how Guruji has divided the Sub Lords . Regardsakmuralidaran <akmuralidaran (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear members,I have studied KP system and I have a doubt about the basic assumptionof sub lord division and I will be obliged if any member can clarifyit.Kindly dont think that I am quetioning the wisdom of the discovery.As I understand the star lord and sub lord in KP signifies the dasalord and bhukti lord of the vimshotri system. According to KP the sublord is the major deciding factor whereas in vimshotri no where somuch importance is given to the bhukti lord in

fructification of anevent. The very fact that bhukti stands further sub divided intoantara, prayaantara, sookshma antara etc indicates that even thoughthe basis of division is in the ratio of the years alloted to eachplanet an holistic approach is applied while predicting any event andno special importance is attributed to bhukti lord alone. May be inline with this some KP astrologers go one step further and divide thesub lord into sub-sublord etc. But the crucial point is once you subdivide it into further subdivisions and start analysing thesignificators they are increasing the no of permutations andcombinations and almost all the nine planets will get a place in oneway or other.So any analysis after the incident has taken place can beworked out by interlinking these combinations. My basic questions areif sub lord is the deciding factor. Then the bhukti lord also must betreated with that importance and no further

divisions like sookshmadasa etc is not required. am I wrong ?regardsmuralidaran ak Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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