Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to understand in parts. Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and ignore the rest for this question.) Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 Me conj 2 Me conj Ju Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 Ju conj 2 Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) No planets in stars of Me and Ju No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses Consider only the first step: Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the places marked with question mark? Regards, Rangarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 dear rangarajan, in above case,since there are no planets in star of jup.and mer and they are conjunct so they will offer each others signification. e.g. mercury:1-3-6-2(cusp yuti) and 2-9-12(conj.jup) jup:2-9-12 and 1-2-3-6(conj.mer) i hope this is cleared to you -sunil gondhalekarRangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to understand in parts.Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and ignore the rest for this question.)Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena.Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6Me conj 2Me conj JuJu in 2, lord of 9 and 12Ju conj 2Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)No planets in stars of Me and JuNo planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 housesConsider only the first step:Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???)Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the places marked with question mark?Regards,Rangarajan Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Dear Rangarajan When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st case ,and jup in 2nd case. good luck Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to understand in parts.Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and ignore the rest for this question.)Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena.Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6Me conj 2Me conj JuJu in 2, lord of 9 and 12Ju conj 2Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)No planets in stars of Me and JuNo planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 housesConsider only the first step:Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???)Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the places marked with question mark?Regards,Rangarajan Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Dear Sir, Thank you. I suppose you mean the following: Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) Suppose I change the scenario slightly: In addition to the earlier planetary situation, Ju aspects 8th cusp and Me is aspected by Ve. Ve is in 8 and is the lord of 2 and 7. There are no planets in its stars. We now have, Ve: 8, 2-7 Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp 8, asp by Ve Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve I do not wish to appear stupid, but can you please write and show me the answer, after appropriately replacing the question marks? Regards, Rangarajan , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st case ,and jup in 2nd case. > good luck > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > understand in parts. > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > ignore the rest for this question.) > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > Me conj 2 > Me conj Ju > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > Ju conj 2 > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > Consider only the first step: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > places marked with question mark? > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Dear SirAnd conjunction should be within 3degree 20mt ( planet to cusp and planet to planet)SheetalOn 9/4/07, Raichur-a-r < raichurar wrote: Dear Rangarajan When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st case ,and jup in 2nd case. good luck Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to understand in parts.Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and ignore the rest for this question.)Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6Me conj 2Me conj JuJu in 2, lord of 9 and 12Ju conj 2Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)No planets in stars of Me and JuNo planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses Consider only the first step:Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???)Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the places marked with question mark?Regards,Rangarajan Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Dear Sir, Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 No planets in stars of ve Ve aspects Me, Ju Me aspects 8 If we write down the first step of the significators, Ve: 8, 2-7 Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the replacement? I apologize if I appear dumb. Regards, Rangarajan , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st case ,and jup in 2nd case. > good luck > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > understand in parts. > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > ignore the rest for this question.) > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > Me conj 2 > Me conj Ju > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > Ju conj 2 > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > Consider only the first step: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > places marked with question mark? > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st case ,and jup in 2nd case. > good luck > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > understand in parts. > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > ignore the rest for this question.) > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > Me conj 2 > Me conj Ju > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > Ju conj 2 > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > Consider only the first step: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > places marked with question mark? > > Regards, > Rangarajan > Kindly check the movement of the cusps ar per theory of Mr Mohan and KMS and predict.When in transit if they positive to the problem things will happen I want to know is the combination of Saturn with Mars bad for marriage and combination of mars vnus good for marriage.Kindly answer Prof K,Karunagaran > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Dear Rangarajan I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house.So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Sir,Thank you very much. I suppose you mean:Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6)Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12)I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following:Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7No planets in stars of veVe aspects Me, JuMe aspects 8If we write down the first step of the significators,Ve: 8, 2-7Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7)Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the replacement?I apologize if I appear dumb.Regards,Rangarajan , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Rangarajan> When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st case ,and jup in 2nd case. > good luck> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:> Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,> I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > understand in parts.> > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > ignore the rest for this question.)> > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena.> Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6> Me conj 2> Me conj Ju> > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12> Ju conj 2> Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)> > No planets in stars of Me and Ju> No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses> > Consider only the first step:> Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)> Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???)> > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > places marked with question mark?> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out.> Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Dear Sir, Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Regards, Rangarajan , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house. > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Sir, > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > No planets in stars of ve > Ve aspects Me, Ju > Me aspects 8 > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > Ve: 8, 2-7 > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > replacement? > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > good luck > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > understand in parts. > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > Me conj 2 > > Me conj Ju > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > Ju conj 2 > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > Consider only the first step: > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > places marked with question mark? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows. > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 dear rangarajan, pl.study practical cases,otherwise it will be very difficult for you and me also to come to correct conclusion thanks -sunil gondhalekarRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Rangarajan I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house.So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga (AT) mmsindia (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sir,Thank you very much. I suppose you mean:Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6)Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12)I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following:Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7No planets in stars of veVe aspects Me, JuMe aspects 8If we write down the first step of the significators,Ve: 8, 2-7Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7)Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the replacement?I apologize if I appear dumb.Regards,Rangarajan , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Rangarajan> When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st case ,and jup in 2nd case. > good luck> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:> Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,> I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > understand in parts.> > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > ignore the rest for this question.)> > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena.> Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6> Me conj 2> Me conj Ju> > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12> Ju conj 2> Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)> > No planets in stars of Me and Ju> No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses> > Consider only the first step:> Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)> Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???)> > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > places marked with question mark?> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out.> Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 R/Sir, I fail to understand the following two things:-- [1] if Mercury is in the first house how can Venus be in the eigth house? [2]if Jupitor is in the second house how can it be in conjuction with the second house? regards, sujatkaram In , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house. > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Sir, > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > No planets in stars of ve > Ve aspects Me, Ju > Me aspects 8 > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > Ve: 8, 2-7 > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > replacement? > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > good luck > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > understand in parts. > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > Me conj 2 > > Me conj Ju > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > Ju conj 2 > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > Consider only the first step: > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > places marked with question mark? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows. > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Dear Sir, How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first house? sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house. > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Sir, > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > No planets in stars of ve > Ve aspects Me, Ju > Me aspects 8 > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > Ve: 8, 2-7 > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > replacement? > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > good luck > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > understand in parts. > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > Me conj 2 > > Me conj Ju > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > Ju conj 2 > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > Consider only the first step: > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > places marked with question mark? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows. > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, Please answer my practical cases to come to correct conclusion for all in this Group. Thanks and regards, tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear rangarajan, > pl.study practical cases,otherwise it will be very difficult for you and me > also to come to correct conclusion > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > Dear Rangarajan > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house. > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: > Dear Sir, > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > No planets in stars of ve > Ve aspects Me, Ju > Me aspects 8 > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > Ve: 8, 2-7 > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > replacement? > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > good luck > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > understand in parts. > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > Me conj 2 > > Me conj Ju > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > Ju conj 2 > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > Consider only the first step: > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > places marked with question mark? > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows. > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Dear Ranganrajan! The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be more than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This is astronomical fact. Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions without having studied astronomy thougholy. Good luck JammalamaduguRangan sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Dear Sir,How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first house?sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Rangarajan> I cannot solve hypothetical Cases.> In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house.> So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:> Dear Sir,> Thank you very much. I suppose you mean:> Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6)> Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12)> > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following:> Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7> No planets in stars of ve> Ve aspects Me, Ju> Me aspects 8> > If we write down the first step of the significators,> Ve: 8, 2-7> Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7)> Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8> > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > replacement?> > I apologize if I appear dumb.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Rangarajan> > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > good luck> > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote:> > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,> > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > understand in parts.> > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > ignore the rest for this question.)> > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena.> > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6> > Me conj 2> > Me conj Ju> > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12> > Ju conj 2> > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)> > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju> > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses> > > > Consider only the first step:> > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)> > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???)> > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > places marked with question mark?> > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows.> > Answers - Check it out.> >> > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 dear sujatkaram, you are right,thats why i ask him to take practical examples -sunil gondhalekar On 9/7/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: R/Sir,I fail to understand the following two things:--[1] if Mercury is in the first house how can Venus be in the eigth house? [2]if Jupitor is in the second house how can it be in conjuction with the second house?regards, sujatkaramIn , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: >> Dear Rangarajan> I cannot solve hypothetical Cases.> In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed to be in that house.> So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:> Dear Sir,> Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6)> Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12)> > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7> No planets in stars of ve> Ve aspects Me, Ju> Me aspects 8> > If we write down the first step of the significators,> Ve: 8, 2-7> Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8> > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > replacement?> > I apologize if I appear dumb.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > >> > Dear Rangarajan> > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can remove > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > good luck> > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,> > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > understand in parts. > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > ignore the rest for this question.)> > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6> > Me conj 2> > Me conj Ju> > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12> > Ju conj 2> > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)> > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju> > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses> > > > Consider only the first step:> > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)> > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > places marked with question mark? > > > > Regards,> > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows.> > Answers - Check it out.> >> > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Dear JammalamaduguRangan, What would you say about the inconsistency between the presentation of 4 step method and charts details? Regards, tw , jammalamadugu rangan <jammalamadugu_rangan wrote: > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be more than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This is astronomical fact. > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions without having studied astronomy thougholy. > Good luck > JammalamaduguRangan > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > Dear Sir, > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first house? > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed > to be in that house. > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > No planets in stars of ve > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > Me aspects 8 > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > replacement? > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can > remove > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > Me conj 2 > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > Ju conj 2 > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > > who knows. > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, This mistake is nothing with compared to the mistakes of inconsistency found in the 4 step method articles. Regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear sujatkaram, > you are right,thats why i ask him to take practical examples > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 9/7/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > > > > R/Sir, > > I fail to understand the following two things:-- > > [1] if Mercury is in the first house how can Venus be in the eigth > > house? > > [2]if Jupitor is in the second house how can it be in conjuction with > > the second house? > > regards, > > sujatkaram > > In <%40>, Raichur-a-r > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is supposeed > > to be in that house. > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which are > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup conjunction > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition to > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > replacement? > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > <% 40>, > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc and > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can > > remove > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in 1st > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple of > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is a > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in the > > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > > > who knows. > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically impossible? Regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear JammalamaduguRangan, > > What would you say about the inconsistency between the presentation > of 4 step method and charts details? > > Regards, > > tw > > > , jammalamadugu rangan > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be more > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This is > astronomical fact. > > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions > without having studied astronomy thougholy. > > Good luck > > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first > house? > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > supposeed > > to be in that house. > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which > are > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > conjunction > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition > to > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > replacement? > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc > and > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can > > remove > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in > 1st > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple > of > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is > a > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in > the > > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > someone > > > who knows. > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear TW853 Sir you have got me wrong.WhatI I meant was that a proper grounding basic study is essential in astronomy for astrologers. I am sure you would agree with me. Thanks Jammalamadugu Rangantw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan,Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically impossible?Regards,tw--- In , "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear JammalamaduguRangan,> > What would you say about the inconsistency between the presentation > of 4 step method and charts details?> > Regards,> > tw> > > , jammalamadugu rangan > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote:> >> > Dear Ranganrajan!> > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be more > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This is > astronomical fact.> > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions > without having studied astronomy thougholy.> > Good luck> > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote:> > Dear Sir,> > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first > house?> > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > <raichurar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Rangarajan> > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases.> > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > supposeed > > to be in that house.> > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which > are > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > conjunction > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote:> > > Dear Sir,> > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean:> > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6)> > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12)> > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition > to > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following:> > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7> > > No planets in stars of ve> > > Ve aspects Me, Ju> > > Me aspects 8> > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators,> > > Ve: 8, 2-7> > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7)> > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8> > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > replacement?> > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Rangarajan> > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Rangarajan> > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of each > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc > and > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can > > remove > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury in > 1st > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote:> > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple > of > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult to > > > > understand in parts.> > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step and > > > > ignore the rest for this question.)> > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena.> > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6> > > > Me conj 2> > > > Me conj Ju> > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12> > > > Ju conj 2> > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above)> > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju> > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses> > > > > > > > Consider only the first step:> > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???)> > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???)> > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there is > a > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear in > the > > > > places marked with question mark?> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Rangarajan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > someone > > > who knows.> > > > Answers - Check it out.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> >> Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear TinWin Ji, Am sure that Varahimihira would not give such statements about Mercury being placed 10th from SUN and even if he gives, it would be prudent to ask him to learn astronomy. Point here is that hypothetical cases can't be answered and ends there itself. Let us wait for Sunil Ji reply for your practical case. Regards, K.Babu , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, > > Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the > effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth > houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically impossible? > > Regards, > > tw > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear JammalamaduguRangan, > > > > What would you say about the inconsistency between the > presentation > > of 4 step method and charts details? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , jammalamadugu rangan > > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > > > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be > more > > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This is > > astronomical fact. > > > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions > > without having studied astronomy thougholy. > > > Good luck > > > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first > > house? > > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > > supposeed > > > to be in that house. > > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which > > are > > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > > conjunction > > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition > > to > > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of > each > > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc > > and > > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can > > > remove > > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury > in > > 1st > > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple > > of > > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult > to > > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step > and > > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there > is > > a > > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear > in > > the > > > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > who knows. > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear K.Babu ji, 1. You could be sure by yourself. However, Hart de Fouw wonders whether Varahimihira mistakes Mercury for another planet when he made his observation. Or was this a wholly theoretical exercise on his part ( " If Mercury could sit in these houses from the Sun, these would be the results ...'. (Light on Life, An Introduction to the Astrology of India, page 250) 2. Here my point is any body can make a mistake and why some members of this Group is making a big deal for a mistake in a question with prior apology even after apologising for it in stead of responding the issue in the question. 3. Now you see Sunil ji's answer not to answer. Also no hope for answer from his course or seminar participants. May be you can answer something. Regards, tw , " babukrcbe " <babukrcbe wrote: > > Dear TinWin Ji, > > Am sure that Varahimihira would not give such statements about > Mercury being placed 10th from SUN and even if he gives, it would be > prudent to ask him to learn astronomy. > > Point here is that hypothetical cases can't be answered and ends > there itself. Let us wait for Sunil Ji reply for your practical case. > > Regards, > K.Babu > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, > > > > Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the > > effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth > > houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically impossible? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear JammalamaduguRangan, > > > > > > What would you say about the inconsistency between the > > presentation > > > of 4 step method and charts details? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , jammalamadugu rangan > > > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > > > > > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be > > more > > > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This > is > > > astronomical fact. > > > > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions > > > without having studied astronomy thougholy. > > > > Good luck > > > > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first > > > house? > > > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > > > supposeed > > > > to be in that house. > > > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets > which > > > are > > > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > > > conjunction > > > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In > addition > > > to > > > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of > > each > > > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both > Merc > > > and > > > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you > can > > > > remove > > > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury > > in > > > 1st > > > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past > couple > > > of > > > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult > > to > > > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step > > and > > > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there > > is > > > a > > > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear > > in > > > the > > > > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, 1. I'm sorry if I had got you wrong. 2. My point is any body can make a mistake and why you and some members of this Group are making a big deal for a technical mistake (not a misleading mistake like in some articles I mentioned) in a question with prior apology even after apologising for it in stead of responding the currently relevant issue in the question. 3. Another thing is, as you're aware, nowadays any planetary position is available from a NSA based Swiss ephemeris at finger tip on the computer. Regards, tw , jammalamadugu rangan <jammalamadugu_rangan wrote: > > Dear TW853 > Sir you have got me wrong.WhatI I meant was that a proper grounding basic study is essential in astronomy for astrologers. > I am sure you would agree with me. > Thanks > Jammalamadugu Rangan > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, > > Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the > effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth > houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically impossible? > > Regards, > > tw > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear JammalamaduguRangan, > > > > What would you say about the inconsistency between the > presentation > > of 4 step method and charts details? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , jammalamadugu rangan > > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > > > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be > more > > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This is > > astronomical fact. > > > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions > > without having studied astronomy thougholy. > > > Good luck > > > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first > > house? > > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > > supposeed > > > to be in that house. > > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which > > are > > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > > conjunction > > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition > > to > > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of > each > > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc > > and > > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can > > > remove > > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury > in > > 1st > > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple > > of > > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult > to > > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step > and > > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there > is > > a > > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear > in > > the > > > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > who knows. > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Tin Win Ji, First 2 points, Understood and I agree with it in totality. Especially Mr.Rangarajan's knowledge on KP Astrology can't taken lightly. Am aware that he has developed a software based on windows and read many of his old debates in files section. My sincere apologies, if you got me wrong. Coming to 3rd point, partly I agree. I have seen Sunil Ji's posting to your reply. It is quite disappointing to read such a reply from Sunil Ji. The second part that I don't agree with is, " Me answering something " . I'm nowhere compared to you and many of senior members of this group and I just a novice. Regards, K.Babu , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear K.Babu ji, > > 1. You could be sure by yourself. However, Hart de Fouw wonders > whether Varahimihira mistakes Mercury for another planet when he > made his observation. Or was this a wholly theoretical exercise on > his part ( " If Mercury could sit in these houses from the Sun, these > would be the results ...'. (Light on Life, An Introduction to the > Astrology of India, page 250) > > 2. Here my point is any body can make a mistake and why some members > of this Group is making a big deal for a mistake in a question with > prior apology even after apologising for it in stead of responding > the issue in the question. > > 3. Now you see Sunil ji's answer not to answer. Also no hope for > answer from his course or seminar participants. May be you can > answer something. > > Regards, > > tw > > > > > , " babukrcbe " <babukrcbe@> wrote: > > > > Dear TinWin Ji, > > > > Am sure that Varahimihira would not give such statements about > > Mercury being placed 10th from SUN and even if he gives, it would > be > > prudent to ask him to learn astronomy. > > > > Point here is that hypothetical cases can't be answered and ends > > there itself. Let us wait for Sunil Ji reply for your practical > case. > > > > Regards, > > K.Babu > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, > > > > > > Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the > > > effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth > > > houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically > impossible? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear JammalamaduguRangan, > > > > > > > > What would you say about the inconsistency between the > > > presentation > > > > of 4 step method and charts details? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , jammalamadugu rangan > > > > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > > > > > > > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be > > > more > > > > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This > > is > > > > astronomical fact. > > > > > Most of the astrologers start straight away with > predictions > > > > without having studied astronomy thougholy. > > > > > Good luck > > > > > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the > first > > > > house? > > > > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > > > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > > > > supposeed > > > > > to be in that house. > > > > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets > > which > > > > are > > > > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > > > > conjunction > > > > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In > > addition > > > > to > > > > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show > the > > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r > <raichurar@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results > of > > > each > > > > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both > > Merc > > > > and > > > > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you > > can > > > > > remove > > > > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by > Mercury > > > in > > > > 1st > > > > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past > > couple > > > > of > > > > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little > difficult > > > to > > > > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first > step > > > and > > > > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following > phenomena. > > > > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, > there > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should > appear > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get > online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear TWI was born at 6-20pm at Delhi on 5-5-55 The 7th sub ve is in mer star in 7th l,/9 12 Vve is in 6 in its own sub. It should have denied marriage.But I had two marriages The 1st marr. was on 13-4-79.I had a divorce on 10-3-80 as I was interested in getting marrted to another person.The marriage was also forced upon me by my parents. The person, concerned,proposed to me after I was engaged to another man after my divorce.I refused.The 2nd husband was killed by a terrorist on 19-8-88 Both husbads were IPS officersCan we say that star lord gives marr. but sub nullifies it in the long runRegardssujatatw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, 1. I'm sorry if I had got you wrong. 2. My point is any body can make a mistake and why you and some members of this Group are making a big deal for a technical mistake (not a misleading mistake like in some articles I mentioned) in a question with prior apology even after apologising for it in stead of responding the currently relevant issue in the question. 3. Another thing is, as you're aware, nowadays any planetary position is available from a NSA based Swiss ephemeris at finger tip on the computer. Regards, tw , jammalamadugu rangan <jammalamadugu_rangan wrote: > > Dear TW853 > Sir you have got me wrong.WhatI I meant was that a proper grounding basic study is essential in astronomy for astrologers. > I am sure you would agree with me. > Thanks > Jammalamadugu Rangan > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, > > Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the > effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth > houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically impossible? > > Regards, > > tw > > , "tw853" <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear JammalamaduguRangan, > > > > What would you say about the inconsistency between the > presentation > > of 4 step method and charts details? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , jammalamadugu rangan > > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > > > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be > more > > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This is > > astronomical fact. > > > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions > > without having studied astronomy thougholy. > > > Good luck > > > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first > > house? > > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > > supposeed > > > to be in that house. > > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets which > > are > > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > > conjunction > > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In addition > > to > > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of > each > > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both Merc > > and > > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you can > > > remove > > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury > in > > 1st > > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past couple > > of > > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult > to > > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step > and > > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there > is > > a > > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. So, what should appear > in > > the > > > > > places marked with question mark? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > who knows. > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 1. Sujata, 05-05-1955, 18:20 PM, Delhi, 28N38, 77E17, New KPA 23-08- 36, Asc Li 13-51-44, Mars Dasa Bal 0Y-5M-26D KP 2. 7th Sbl Ve: 7-6-9-12-1-8 (Ve's Sbl is Ve.) Since the 7th Sbl Ve signifies 7th at order A and it is in its own star, marriage is promised. The signification of 6-12-1-8 may indicate eparation, disappointment and Mangla. 3. (1) 7th Sbl Ve is in Pi (dual sign). Ve is in the star of Me (dual planet). (2) 2nd Sbl Ra: Asp by Ma(8-2-7); Stl Ke: Sgl Me(7-9-12), Stl Ma(8-2- 7) No planet in the star of Ra+, which is the Sbl of 2 & 11. The 2nd Sbl signifies most importantly 7 and then 2-11. (3) 9th Sbl Me:7-7-11-9-12 The 9th Sbl signifies 7-9-11. Thus the KP Rule 1 & 2 and Kanak's supplementary Rule for more than one marriage are jointly met and so more than one marriage is strongly indicated. KUSPAL INTERLINK THEORY 4. (1) Asc Ssl Ra+ maintains a relationship with 9th cusp through it Stl Ke: Me(7-9-12) and with cusp 5 and 7 through its Sbl and Ssl Ra+: Asp by Ma(8-2-7); Asp by Sa(1-4-5); Stl Ke: Me(7-9-12). Asc Ssl Ra+ also establishes link with the 9th cusp through its Sbl (Ra: Stl Ke (Me:7-9-12) when it is linked to 11th cusp through its Stl Ke: Stl Su(7-11). (2) 7th Ssl Mo does not have a link with the 9th cusp through its Stl Ma:2-7-8 but it has a link with the cusps 5 and 11 through Ssl Ra as above. (3) 9 h Ssl Ju Stl does not maintain a link with the 7th cusp through its Stl Ju: 9-3-6 but it maintains a link with 7th by its Sbl Mo+: 8-12-2-7-12 and Ssl Ve: 7-6-9-12-1-8. Thus the second marriage may be said to be possible. FOUR STEP THEORY 5. What can we say as per what is written in first para of page 37 and second para of page 38 of the Four Step book? 6. For easy reference, the primary significators strictly according to this book are given under with the reservation whether some related to conj and aspect are right or wrong is an issue for discussion. PRIMARY SIGNIFICATORS Empty houses: 3, 4, 5, 10, 11 Planets with no planets in their stars (+): Mo, Sa, Ra Planets in own stars (*): Ma, Ju Ve conj 6 Ve aspects 12 Planet Ke: Starlord of Ke is Ma*: 8 Sublord of Ke is Mo+: 12-10 Starlord of Mo is Ma*: 8 Planet Ve: Cnj 6 Starlord of Ve is Me: 7 Sublord of Ve is Ve: Cnj 6 Starlord of Ve is Me: 7 Planet Su: Starlord of Su is Ve: 6; Asp 12; Cnj 6 Sublord of Su is Ju*: 9-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9-3 Planet Mo+: 12-10 Starlord of Mo is Ma*: 8 Sublord of Mo is Mo+: 12-10 Starlord of Mo is Ma*: 8 Planet Ma*: 8 Starlord of Ma is Ma*: 8 Sublord of Ma is Ma*: 8 Starlord of Ma is Ma*: 8 Planet Ra+: 2; Sgl Ju(9-3) Starlord of Ra is Ke: 8; Sgl Me(7); Stl Ma(8) Sublord of Ra is Ra+: 2; Sgl Ju(9-3) Starlord of Ra is Ke: 8; Sgl Me(7); Stl Ma(8) Planet Ju*: 9-3 Starlord of Ju is Ju*: 9-3 Sublord of Ju is Mo+: 12-10 Starlord of Mo is Ma*: 8 Planet Sa+: 1; 4-5 Starlord of Sa is Ju*: 9-3 Sublord of Sa is Me: Starlord of Me is Su: 7-11 Planet Me: Starlord of Me is Su: 7-11 Sublord of Me is Sa+: 1-4-5 Starlord of Sa is Ju*: 9-3 DASA 13-04-1979 (Ju-Me-Ve) first marriage 10-03-80 (Ju-Me-Ju) divorce 19-08-1988 (Ju-Ra-Me) death of 2nd husband KP Ju: 9-9-3-6-3-6 (Sbl Mo:12-10) Me: 7-7-11-9-12 (Sbl Mo+: 12-10) Ve: 7-6-9-12-1-8 (Sbl Ve) Ra+: 8-2-7-9-12-11 (Sbl Ra) FOUR STEP Ju: 9-3-12-10-8 Me: 7-11-1-4-5-9-3 Ve: 6-7-6-7 Ra: 2-9-3-8-7-8-2-9-3-8-7-8 7. KP Dasa lord Ju doesn't indicate the marriage. DBA in the Four Step are favorable for marriage. 8. Regarding the death of 2nd husband, Maraka, Badhaka and Moksha are 8-1-5-6, if 2nd house is taken for 2nd husband; 10-3-8, if 9th house is taken for 2nd husband. In the Four Step, which house is taken for the 2nd husband? TRANSIT 9. On the day of marriage, 13-04-1979, Dasa lord Ju was transiting in the sub of Me, Bhukti lord Me in the star of Sa and Antara lord Ve in the star of Ju. In the first two steps, Me signifies 7-11 and Sa 5 but Ju does not signify any of 2-7-11 & 5-8. In addition Sa was in retrograde. The unfavorable transit didn't deny the marriage as said in the Four Step. , sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote: > > Dear TW > I was born at 6-20pm at Delhi on 5-5-55 The 7th sub ve is in mer star in 7th l,/9 12 Vve is in 6 in its own sub. It should have denied marriage.But I had two marriages The 1st marr. was on 13-4- 79.I had a divorce on 10-3-80 as I was interested in getting marrted to another person.The marriage was also forced upon me by my parents. The person, concerned,proposed to me after I was engaged to another man after my divorce.I refused.The 2nd husband was killed by a terrorist on 19-8-88 Both husbads were IPS officers > Can we say that star lord gives marr. but sub nullifies it in the long run > Regards > sujata > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, > > 1. I'm sorry if I had got you wrong. > > 2. My point is any body can make a mistake and why you and some > members of this Group are making a big deal for a technical mistake > (not a misleading mistake like in some articles I mentioned) in a > question with prior apology even after apologising for it in stead > of responding the currently relevant issue in the question. > > 3. Another thing is, as you're aware, nowadays any planetary > position is available from a NSA based Swiss ephemeris at finger tip > on the computer. > > Regards, > > tw > > , jammalamadugu rangan > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > Dear TW853 > > Sir you have got me wrong.WhatI I meant was that a proper > grounding basic study is essential in astronomy for astrologers. > > I am sure you would agree with me. > > Thanks > > Jammalamadugu Rangan > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Jammalamadugu Rangan, > > > > Would you tell Varahamihira to learn astronmy for describing the > > effects of Mercury when it sits in the fourth, seventh or tenth > > houses from the Sun, positions which are astronomically impossible? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear JammalamaduguRangan, > > > > > > What would you say about the inconsistency between the > > presentation > > > of 4 step method and charts details? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , jammalamadugu rangan > > > <jammalamadugu_rangan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranganrajan! > > > > > > > > The longitudinal distance between Venus Mrecury can not be > > more > > > than 45degrees and so there will not such a long distance.This > is > > > astronomical fact. > > > > Most of the astrologers start straight away with predictions > > > without having studied astronomy thougholy. > > > > Good luck > > > > JammalamaduguRangan > > > > > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > How can Venus be in the eigth house if Mercury is in the first > > > house? > > > > sujatkaram , Raichur-a-r > > > > <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > I cannot solve hypothetical Cases. > > > > > In the example Ven cannot strongly signify 2, as Jup is > > > supposeed > > > > to be in that house. > > > > > So you must be careful, in marking empty houses, planets > which > > > are > > > > not star lords of others, and then add/amend for the Cup > > > conjunction > > > > and the aspects, in the correct sequence. > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > Thank you very much. I suppose you mean: > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(1-3-6) > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(2-9-12) > > > > > > > > > > I will make a slight change to the given scenario. In > addition > > > to > > > > > the earlier planetary configuration, we have the following: > > > > > Ve in 8, lord of 2, 7 > > > > > No planets in stars of ve > > > > > Ve aspects Me, Ju > > > > > Me aspects 8 > > > > > > > > > > If we write down the first step of the significators, > > > > > Ve: 8, 2-7 > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7) > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???), asp by Ve(8, 2-7), asp 8 > > > > > > > > > > Can you please fully expand the question marks and show the > > > > > replacement? > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I appear dumb. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > > > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rangarajan > > > > > > When two planets are in conjunction, they give results of > > each > > > > > other in all steps. In the hypothetical case. Since both > Merc > > > and > > > > > Jupiter are STRONG, having no planets in their stars, you > can > > > > remove > > > > > the ??? marks and replace by the houses signified by Mercury > > in > > > 1st > > > > > case ,and jup in 2nd case. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@> wrote: > > > > > > Friends and Shri.Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > > > I have been reading up the 4 Step Theory for the past > couple > > > of > > > > > > weeks and find it interesting, although a little difficult > > to > > > > > > understand in parts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is one question: (Let us only consider the first step > > and > > > > > > ignore the rest for this question.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider a hypothetical chart with the following phenomena. > > > > > > Me in 1, lord of 3 and 6 > > > > > > Me conj 2 > > > > > > Me conj Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju in 2, lord of 9 and 12 > > > > > > Ju conj 2 > > > > > > Ju conj Me (because Me conj Ju above) > > > > > > > > > > > > No planets in stars of Me and Ju > > > > > > No planets in 3, 6, 9, and 12 houses > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider only the first step: > > > > > > Ju: 2, 9-12, Conj 2, Conj Me(???) > > > > > > Me: 1, 3-6, Conj 2, Conj Ju(???) > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that since Me and Ju are in conjunction, there > > is > > > a > > > > > > cyclic dependency among themselves. 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