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Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji, Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is not match with his writing/thinking. Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with Lajmi ji in past. what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any one in group. regards Kanak

Bosmiasunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear tin winji, today i am free to reply regarding your mail queries 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step then event will not happen in perticular dasa 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when planet is in own star. 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP. 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not allowed me to advertise 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules i named it as 4 step theory 10.needless to

say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> Dear tin winji> you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written> that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries> meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries> i am running this magazine for

last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine.> still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply> but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.> it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used> words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the> members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion> about 4-Step not to waste time.> > Regards,> > tw> > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> >> > dear tin

winji,> > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory> > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> > >india won today> > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > > >

2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > > correct> > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > > > For example when one is considering Marriage> > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7> > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord

indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable> > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > > of Sub.> > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this

> > group> > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17> > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > 11> > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied.> > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated.> > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage).> > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step

without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used?> > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> > SUB's

STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected?> > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group> > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> > Child birth: When?> > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time.> > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are >

> found tob be> > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > empty.6th empty)> > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P)> > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative

Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat +

6P-2Ep-3Ep> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders".> > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > > > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> > theory."> > > > Q-11. Does

it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative

> Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > > > JUPITER BHUKTI> > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4-> > Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal

sublord for child > > birth?> > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book> > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing.> > > >

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dear kanakji, if anybody is hurt from my mails i say sorry i am always open to answers the query otherwise my moral binding will ask me to quit.this situation will not arise again. -sunil gondhalekarKanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji, Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is not match with his writing/thinking. Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and

same used by sunil ji too. but each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with Lajmi ji in past. what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any one in group. regards Kanak Bosmiasunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > wrote: dear

tin winji, today i am free to reply regarding your mail queries 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step then event will not happen in perticular dasa 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when planet is in own star. 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP. 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not allowed me to advertise 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules i named it as 4 step theory 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. Thanks and

regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> Dear tin winji> you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written> that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries> meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries> i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine.> still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply> but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.> it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used> words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar,> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the> members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion> about 4-Step not to waste time.> > Regards,> > tw> > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> >> > dear tin winji,> > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > >>i

have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory> > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> > >india won today> > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which

is not > > correct> > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > > > For example when one is considering Marriage> > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7> > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable> > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > > of Sub.> >

> > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > > group> > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17> > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > 11> > So initial reaction is Marriage is

denied.> > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied.> > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated.> > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage).> > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used?> > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )>

> It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected?> > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE

ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group> > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> > Child birth: When?> > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time.> > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > found tob be> > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > empty.6th empty)> > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P)> > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > >

> Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord :

Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > > > " The major difference 4

step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders".> > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > > > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> > theory."> > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st >

house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > > > JUPITER BHUKTI> > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st

house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4-> > Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > > birth?> > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is

> > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book> > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing.> > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > security of spyware protection.> >> > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life?

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Dear Friends,

It is a group I feel which is succesful running for two reasons.

1. Dear Punit ji as moderator Is very careful and perhaps keeps a good watch on nature of messages appearing on board. It allows maintenance of health of group.But what moderator can do When senior Members who are active members start replying erratically.

2. It will be unfortunate if members like Kanak

Stops writing.Sh Tin win ji is already in bad mood

Although Sunil ji started answering But healty discussion is the blood flow in the body of group.

In fact i wish subject to avaiability of time Group should flourish because it is only plateform for KP in absence of Magazine at present.

Shortly I shall be silent till 20 July for I shall be busy in a project. I request Moderator to allow release postings as early as possible as I am finding delay of two to three days.

This also defeats purpose of posting some times.

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OM TAT SAT.

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Kanak Bosmia

Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:40 PM

Please think and re think

 

 

 

Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji,

 

Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is not match with his writing/thinking.

Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with Lajmi ji in past.

 

what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any one in group.

 

regards

Kanak Bosmiasunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > wrote:

 

 

 

dear tin winji,

today i am free to reply

regarding your mail queries

1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP

then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet

i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun

2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive

3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step

then event will not happen in perticular dasa

4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when

planet is in own star.

5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP

7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages

8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read

the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not allowed me to advertise

9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules

i named it as 4 step theory

10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader

11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also

i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

-sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> Dear tin winji> you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written> that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries> meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries> i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine.> still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply> but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.> it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used> words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the> members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion> about 4-Step not to waste time.> > Regards,> > tw> > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> >> > dear tin winji,> > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory> > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> > >india won today> > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > > correct> > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > > > For example when one is considering Marriage> > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7> > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable> > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > > of Sub.> > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > > group> > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17> > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > 11> > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied.> > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated.> > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage).> > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used?> > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected?> > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group> > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> > Child birth: When?> > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time.> > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > found tob be> > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > empty.6th empty)> > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P)> > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders".> > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > > > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> > theory."> > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > > > JUPITER BHUKTI> > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4-> > Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > > birth?> > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book> > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing.> > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > security of spyware protection.> >> > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? 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Dear Kanak ji, Respects to you for your contribution to develop good a personality . I and many of the mebers want your perennial contribution to our spiritual development since this is a divine science. Pranams anand c.k.Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji, Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is not match with his writing/thinking.

Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with Lajmi ji in past. what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any one in group. regards Kanak Bosmiasunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > wrote: dear tin winji, today i am free to reply regarding your mail queries 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step then event will not happen in perticular dasa 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when planet is in own star. 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP. 6.thats why

while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not allowed me to advertise 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules i named it as 4 step theory 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,This is a forum for discussion and

you're supposed to respond. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> Dear tin winji> you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written> that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries> meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries> i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine.> still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply> but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.> it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used> words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853

<tw853 wrote:> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the> members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion> about 4-Step not to waste time.> > Regards,> > tw> > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> >> > dear tin winji,> > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil

Gondhalekar)> > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory> > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> > >india won today> > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> > nowadays

most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > > correct> > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > > > For example when one is considering Marriage> > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7> > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable> > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and

Star-lord > > of Sub.> > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > > group> > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17> > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > >

11> > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied.> > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated.> > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage).> > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used?> > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> >

It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected?>

> > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group> > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> > Child birth: When?> > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time.> > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > found tob be> > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > empty.6th empty)> > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P)> > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude

that lady will have children:> > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > >

> PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page

24-27> > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders".> > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > > > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> > theory."> > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative

Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > > > JUPITER BHUKTI> > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step

> 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4-> > Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > > birth?> > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under

observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book> > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing.> > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > security of spyware protection.> >> > > > > > >

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Dear Kanak Please cool down. Every member has a right to ask a question from the member who posts a letter/statement. Only the request should be worded in gentle terms. For example, you could have said " I am confused with the correct meaning of "connection". Kindly tell me what exactly is included or meant by this expression. This is just to clear my mind, and properly understand your posting ". Use Tact, like the British, who many times would say "one understands the meaning to be..", instead of "I understand the meaning to be..." Ask gently. Do not stop posting, and deprive members of your experience, and knowledge Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji, Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is not match with his writing/thinking. Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with Lajmi ji in past. what is going in group is not for learning

purpose but to keep ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any one in group. regards Kanak Bosmiasunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > wrote: dear tin winji, today i am free to reply regarding your mail queries 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as

positive 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step then event will not happen in perticular dasa 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when planet is in own star. 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP. 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not allowed me to advertise 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules i named it as 4 step theory 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader 11.i consider

hershal,nep and pluto also i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> Dear tin winji> you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written> that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries> meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries> i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine.> still i am busy and

will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply> but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.> it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used> words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the> members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion> about 4-Step not to waste time.> > Regards,> > tw> > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> >> > dear tin winji,> > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> >

-sunil gondhalekar> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory> > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> > >india won today> > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > yes,marriage will happen if it

signify on 3-4 step> > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > > correct> > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > > > For example when one is considering Marriage> > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7> > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable> > >

> However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > > of Sub.> > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > > group> > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in

Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17> > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > 11> > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied.> > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated.> > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage).> > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> >

> > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used?> > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without

any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected?> > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group> > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> > Child birth: When?> > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time.> > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > found tob be> > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars:

9,not > > empty.6th empty)> > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P)> > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?>

> > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara

with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders".> > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > > > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> > theory."> > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > > > Whether Child-Birth is

promised?> > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > >

> JUPITER BHUKTI> > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4-> > Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > > birth?> > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> >

> > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book> > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing.> > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > > will be in retrograde?> >

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Dear Shri Raichur,

 

1. Thank you for your wise advice to use the British 'Tatic'.

 

2. However, with my due heart felt respect (by saluting with 'Shri'

to you and Shri Kuppu Ganapathi only in this group) and gratitude

for your honesty, sincerity, sharing of your KP knowledge,

experience and expertise, and giving guidance for KP study and

practical research works, I'm afraid to say that this 'Tact' might

not be applicable even by yourself.

 

3. In my humble personal opinion, it is okay as long as insulting or

character assassinating language is not use because we don't have

time for flowery language and we need to talk straight to understand

the issue.

 

4. Sometimes it depends on the tone in use, eg. for 'needless' the

response might be 'useless'.

 

5. Thanks to KP brother Mr. Satish, nowadays I try to constraint in

my language but sometimes how can I get a response without grilling

a little bit other than buying the book.

 

6. As you're aware, I'm here to learn KP and contribute something

for further development of KP because of my crazy hobby of KP,

nothing else.

 

7. In this regard, as already mentioned before, I care only KSK

Principles based on Guruji's research on 'hundreds' charts. I don't

care who is who for anyone who say against KSK Principles without a

sufficient amount of pudding to eat.

 

8. We are not blindly following KSK Principles and testing them by

practical research work on 'hundreds' of charts as Kanak has been

doing to find the new truth as urged by Guruji.

 

9. Excuse me to say, this time " Garam hava " is nothing because we've

discussed so many times till the cows come home and lovely KP

brother Vaidum Vidyadhar from Australia is always in my mind.

(Msg#2076, 2081, 3018).

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Dear Kanak

> Please cool down. Every member has a right to ask a question

from the member who posts

> a letter/statement. Only the request should be worded in gentle

terms. For example, you could have said " I am confused with the

correct meaning of " connection " . Kindly tell me what exactly is

included or meant by this expression. This is just to clear my mind,

and properly understand your posting " .

> Use Tact, like the British, who many times would say " one

understands the meaning to be.. " , instead of " I understand the

meaning to be... "

> Ask gently. Do not stop posting, and deprive members of your

experience, and knowledge

>

>

> Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:

> Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji,

>

> Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is

not match with his writing/thinking.

> Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but

each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any

writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on

my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i

ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not

understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word

connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with

Lajmi ji in past.

>

> what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep

ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my

nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any

one in group.

>

> regards

> Kanak Bosmia

>

> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

> dear tin winji,

> today i am free to reply

> regarding your mail queries

> 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

> i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP

> then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

> in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast

moving planet

> i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun

> 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then

i treat it as positive

> 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also)

should be on 3-4 step

> then event will not happen in perticular dasa

> 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets

sub.they take it only when

> planet is in own star.

> 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

> 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP

> 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers

but see only messages

> 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats

why i insist to read

> the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not

allowed me to advertise

> 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due

to conflict in some rules

> i named it as 4 step theory

> 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and

kp reader

> 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also

> i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

>

> This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , sunil gondhalekar

> <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear tin winji

> > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have

> written

> > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all

> queries

> > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries

> > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is

> answered in my magazine.

> > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require

> to answer your query i will reply

> > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.

> > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to

> follow my method.i have used

> > words " my method " but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers

> > thanks

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> >

> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know

> the

> > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my

discussion

> > about 4-Step not to waste time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , sunil gondhalekar

> > <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear tin winji,

> > > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> > >

> > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific

> > > questions below.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the

> > victory

> > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note

> that

> > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any

way

> > > >india won today

> > >

> > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?

> > >

> > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators

> > >

> > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step

> > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally

> > negative

> > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of

> these

> > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were

not

> > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji

> > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is

> not

> > > correct

> > >

> > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > For example when one is considering Marriage

> > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify,

houses

> > 11,7

> > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6

> > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating

negative

> > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates

> whether

> > > result is favourable or un favourable

> > >

> > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating

> 10,6

> > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.

> > >

> > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd

> and

> > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-

> lord

> > > of Sub.

> > >

> > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,

> > >

> > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.

> > >

> > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal

> > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of

> this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai

at

> > 12:17

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > >

> > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:

> > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7

or

> > > 11

> > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.

> > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not

> > > denied.

> > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one

> > > relationship is indicated.

> > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also

> > > indicate marriage).

> > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.

> > >

> > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification

of

> 2

> > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?

> > >

> > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator

of

> > 10th

> > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?

> > >

> > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or

also

> > the

> > > Secondary houses signified used?

> > >

> > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE

> > >

> > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of

Primary

> > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative

> Primary

> > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary

> > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3

> > > neglected?

> > >

> > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of

> > this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:

> > > Child birth: When?

> > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the

Primary

> > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then

> we

> > > fix the time.

> > >

> > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet

are

> > > found tob be

> > >

> > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not

> > > empty.6th empty)

> > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty

no

> > Not

> > > P)

> > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4

> > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP

> > >

> > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd

in

> > the

> > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:

> > >

> > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in

> step

> > 3

> > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?

> > >

> > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of

1st

> > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4

supersede

> > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step

4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MOO 8

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary

> > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th

> > > houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th

> > house

> > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3,

> and

> > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage?

> > >

> > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative

> > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27

> > >

> > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord

and

> > its

> > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as

> > > deciders " .

> > >

> > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?

> > >

> > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for

> > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4

> STEP

> > > theory. "

> > >

> > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP

> Theory?

> > >

> > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?

> > >

> > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.

> > >

> > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9

> > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P

> > >

> > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule

> > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st

> > house

> > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?

> > >

> > > MARS DASA

> > >

> > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > >

> > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth

because

> of

> > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative

> > Primary

> > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?

> > >

> > > JUPITER BHUKTI

> > >

> > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep

> > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by

MAR)

> > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)

> > >

> > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in

step

> > 1),

> > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected

to

> > take

> > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary

> > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?

> > >

> > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of

result

> in

> > 4-

> > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in

> > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for

> child

> > > birth?

> > >

> > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by

our

> KSK

> > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of

this

> > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss

this

> > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the

> theory

> > is

> > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this

> is

> > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is

explained

> > in

> > > detail in my book

> > >

> > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm

> > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of

> result,

> > > but to consider it for timing.

> > >

> > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA

> lord

> > > will be in retrograde?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Kanak,

 

1. I've told you we need to have a thick skin. No one can hide

under " Garam hava " or KP jargons without proper understanding of KP

principles. If someone feels " Garam hava " , it means he needs a

shower or birth.

 

2. This is forum to discuss on issues till they are clear and

solved. If someone is saying anything against KP rules, he is

supposed to answer questions with solid proof of research work on at

least a " hundred " charts, just saying " my experience " or referring

someone else is not a proof.

 

3. I hope we can forgive our KP brother Lajmi ji who sometimes say

something without realising what is going on or what issue is really

discussed.

 

4. You need to continue your KP duty here in this group, my younger

KP brother Kanak, without caring such kind of agitation.

 

 

I'm sorry for creating such atmosphere that makes you upset.

 

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji,

>

> Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is

not match with his writing/thinking.

> Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but

each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any

writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on

my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i

ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not

understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word

connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with

Lajmi ji in past.

>

> what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep

ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my

nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any

one in group.

>

> regards

> Kanak Bosmia

>

> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

> dear tin winji,

> today i am free to reply

> regarding your mail queries

> 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

> i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP

> then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

> in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast

moving planet

> i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun

> 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then

i treat it as positive

> 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also)

should be on 3-4 step

> then event will not happen in perticular dasa

> 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets

sub.they take it only when

> planet is in own star.

> 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

> 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP

> 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers

but see only messages

> 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats

why i insist to read

> the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not

allowed me to advertise

> 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due

to conflict in some rules

> i named it as 4 step theory

> 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and

kp reader

> 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also

> i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

>

> This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , sunil gondhalekar

> <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear tin winji

> > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have

> written

> > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all

> queries

> > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries

> > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is

> answered in my magazine.

> > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require

> to answer your query i will reply

> > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.

> > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to

> follow my method.i have used

> > words " my method " but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers

> > thanks

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> >

> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know

> the

> > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my

discussion

> > about 4-Step not to waste time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , sunil gondhalekar

> > <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear tin winji,

> > > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> > >

> > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific

> > > questions below.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the

> > victory

> > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note

> that

> > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any

way

> > > >india won today

> > >

> > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?

> > >

> > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators

> > >

> > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step

> > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally

> > negative

> > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of

> these

> > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were

not

> > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji

> > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is

> not

> > > correct

> > >

> > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > For example when one is considering Marriage

> > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify,

houses

> > 11,7

> > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6

> > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating

negative

> > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates

> whether

> > > result is favourable or un favourable

> > >

> > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating

> 10,6

> > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.

> > >

> > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd

> and

> > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-

> lord

> > > of Sub.

> > >

> > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,

> > >

> > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.

> > >

> > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal

> > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of

> this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai

at

> > 12:17

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > >

> > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:

> > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7

or

> > > 11

> > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.

> > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not

> > > denied.

> > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one

> > > relationship is indicated.

> > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also

> > > indicate marriage).

> > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.

> > >

> > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification

of

> 2

> > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?

> > >

> > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator

of

> > 10th

> > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?

> > >

> > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or

also

> > the

> > > Secondary houses signified used?

> > >

> > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE

> > >

> > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of

Primary

> > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative

> Primary

> > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary

> > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3

> > > neglected?

> > >

> > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of

> > this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:

> > > Child birth: When?

> > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the

Primary

> > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then

> we

> > > fix the time.

> > >

> > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet

are

> > > found tob be

> > >

> > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not

> > > empty.6th empty)

> > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty

no

> > Not

> > > P)

> > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4

> > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP

> > >

> > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd

in

> > the

> > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:

> > >

> > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in

> step

> > 3

> > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?

> > >

> > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of

1st

> > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4

supersede

> > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step

4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MOO 8

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary

> > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th

> > > houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th

> > house

> > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3,

> and

> > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage?

> > >

> > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative

> > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27

> > >

> > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord

and

> > its

> > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as

> > > deciders " .

> > >

> > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?

> > >

> > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for

> > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4

> STEP

> > > theory. "

> > >

> > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP

> Theory?

> > >

> > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?

> > >

> > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.

> > >

> > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9

> > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P

> > >

> > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule

> > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st

> > house

> > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?

> > >

> > > MARS DASA

> > >

> > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > >

> > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth

because

> of

> > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative

> > Primary

> > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?

> > >

> > > JUPITER BHUKTI

> > >

> > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep

> > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by

MAR)

> > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)

> > >

> > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in

step

> > 1),

> > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected

to

> > take

> > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary

> > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?

> > >

> > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of

result

> in

> > 4-

> > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in

> > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for

> child

> > > birth?

> > >

> > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by

our

> KSK

> > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of

this

> > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss

this

> > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the

> theory

> > is

> > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this

> is

> > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is

explained

> > in

> > > detail in my book

> > >

> > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm

> > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of

> result,

> > > but to consider it for timing.

> > >

> > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA

> lord

> > > will be in retrograde?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Sunil Gondhalekar,

 

We don't mean that. It's okay. We only want you to give your view as

open as possible.

 

I do believe Kanak agrees with me.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear kanakji,

> if anybody is hurt from my mails i say sorry

> i am always open to answers the query otherwise my moral binding

> will ask me to quit.this situation will not arise again.

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:

> Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji,

>

> Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is

not match with his writing/thinking.

> Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but

each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any

writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on

my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i

ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not

understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word

connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with

Lajmi ji in past.

>

> what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep

ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my

nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any

one in group.

>

> regards

> Kanak Bosmia

>

> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

> dear tin winji,

> today i am free to reply

> regarding your mail queries

> 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

> i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP

> then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

> in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast

moving planet

> i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun

> 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then

i treat it as positive

> 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also)

should be on 3-4 step

> then event will not happen in perticular dasa

> 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets

sub.they take it only when

> planet is in own star.

> 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

> 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP

> 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers

but see only messages

> 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats

why i insist to read

> the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not

allowed me to advertise

> 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due

to conflict in some rules

> i named it as 4 step theory

> 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and

kp reader

> 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also

> i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

>

> This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , sunil gondhalekar

> <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear tin winji

> > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have

> written

> > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all

> queries

> > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries

> > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is

> answered in my magazine.

> > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require

> to answer your query i will reply

> > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.

> > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to

> follow my method.i have used

> > words " my method " but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers

> > thanks

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> >

> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know

> the

> > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my

discussion

> > about 4-Step not to waste time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , sunil gondhalekar

> > <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear tin winji,

> > > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> > >

> > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific

> > > questions below.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the

> > victory

> > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note

> that

> > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any

way

> > > >india won today

> > >

> > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?

> > >

> > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators

> > >

> > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step

> > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally

> > negative

> > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of

> these

> > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were

not

> > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji

> > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is

> not

> > > correct

> > >

> > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > For example when one is considering Marriage

> > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify,

houses

> > 11,7

> > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6

> > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating

negative

> > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates

> whether

> > > result is favourable or un favourable

> > >

> > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating

> 10,6

> > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.

> > >

> > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd

> and

> > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-

> lord

> > > of Sub.

> > >

> > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,

> > >

> > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.

> > >

> > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal

> > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of

> this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai

at

> > 12:17

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > >

> > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:

> > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7

or

> > > 11

> > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.

> > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not

> > > denied.

> > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one

> > > relationship is indicated.

> > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also

> > > indicate marriage).

> > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.

> > >

> > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification

of

> 2

> > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?

> > >

> > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator

of

> > 10th

> > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?

> > >

> > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or

also

> > the

> > > Secondary houses signified used?

> > >

> > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE

> > >

> > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of

Primary

> > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative

> Primary

> > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary

> > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3

> > > neglected?

> > >

> > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of

> > this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:

> > > Child birth: When?

> > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the

Primary

> > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then

> we

> > > fix the time.

> > >

> > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet

are

> > > found tob be

> > >

> > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not

> > > empty.6th empty)

> > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty

no

> > Not

> > > P)

> > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4

> > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP

> > >

> > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd

in

> > the

> > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:

> > >

> > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in

> step

> > 3

> > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?

> > >

> > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of

1st

> > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4

supersede

> > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step

4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MOO 8

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary

> > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th

> > > houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th

> > house

> > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3,

> and

> > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage?

> > >

> > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative

> > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27

> > >

> > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord

and

> > its

> > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as

> > > deciders " .

> > >

> > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?

> > >

> > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for

> > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4

> STEP

> > > theory. "

> > >

> > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP

> Theory?

> > >

> > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?

> > >

> > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.

> > >

> > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9

> > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P

> > >

> > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule

> > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st

> > house

> > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?

> > >

> > > MARS DASA

> > >

> > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > >

> > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth

because

> of

> > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative

> > Primary

> > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?

> > >

> > > JUPITER BHUKTI

> > >

> > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep

> > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by

MAR)

> > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)

> > >

> > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in

step

> > 1),

> > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected

to

> > take

> > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary

> > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?

> > >

> > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of

result

> in

> > 4-

> > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in

> > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for

> child

> > > birth?

> > >

> > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by

our

> KSK

> > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of

this

> > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss

this

> > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the

> theory

> > is

> > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this

> is

> > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is

explained

> > in

> > > detail in my book

> > >

> > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm

> > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of

> result,

> > > but to consider it for timing.

> > >

> > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA

> lord

> > > will be in retrograde?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Swami ji,

 

You're right. This the best KP group. Punit ji should be proud of

it. That is why I'm still here.

 

Don't worry. It'll be okay. We've passed through much worse

experiences.

 

Kanak is a man of piece and honesty. He likes me as a KP brother but

not my way of discussing and grilling under any circumstances.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, <swami wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> It is a group I feel which is succesful running for two reasons.

> 1. Dear Punit ji as moderator Is very careful and perhaps keeps a

good watch on nature of messages appearing on board. It allows

maintenance of health of group.But what moderator can do When senior

Members who are active members start replying erratically.

> 2. It will be unfortunate if members like Kanak

> Stops writing.Sh Tin win ji is already in bad mood

> Although Sunil ji started answering But healty discussion is the

blood flow in the body of group.

> In fact i wish subject to avaiability of time Group should

flourish because it is only plateform for KP in absence of Magazine

at present.

> Shortly I shall be silent till 20 July for I shall be busy in a

project. I request Moderator to allow release postings as early as

possible as I am finding delay of two to three days.

> This also defeats purpose of posting some times.

> with regards,

> OM TAT SAT.

> swami_rcs

> -

> Kanak Bosmia

>

> Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:40 PM

> Please think and re think

>

>

>

> Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji,

>

> Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which is

not match with his writing/thinking.

> Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but

each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any

writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on

my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i

ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not

understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word

connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with

Lajmi ji in past.

>

> what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep

ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my

nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any

one in group.

>

> regards

> Kanak Bosmia

>

> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

> dear tin winji,

> today i am free to reply

> regarding your mail queries

> 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

> i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP

> then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

> in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of

fast moving planet

> i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun

> 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative

then i treat it as positive

> 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also)

should be on 3-4 step

> then event will not happen in perticular dasa

> 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets

sub.they take it only when

> planet is in own star.

> 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

> 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP

> 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers

but see only messages

> 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book

thats why i insist to read

> the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not

allowed me to advertise

> 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to

due to conflict in some rules

> i named it as 4 step theory

> 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles

and kp reader

> 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also

> i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

>

> This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to

respond.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , sunil gondhalekar

> <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear tin winji

> > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail

i have

> written

> > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply

your all

> queries

> > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries

> > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every

query is

> answered in my magazine.

> > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still

require

> to answer your query i will reply

> > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.

> > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to

> follow my method.i have used

> > words " my method " but it is pure kp method mentioned in

readers

> > thanks

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> >

> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout

letting know

> the

> > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my

discussion

> > about 4-Step not to waste time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , sunil gondhalekar

> > <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear tin winji,

> > > have you read my book or the comments are based on

messages

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> > >

> > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask

specific

> > > questions below.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see

the

> > victory

> > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-

11,pl note

> that

> > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre

orb,any way

> > > >india won today

> > >

> > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be

neglected?

> > >

> > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators

> > >

> > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step

> > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if

totally

> > negative

> > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many

examples of

> these

> > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps

were not

> > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by

guruji

> > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps

which is

> not

> > > correct

> > >

> > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > For example when one is considering Marriage

> > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify,

houses

> > 11,7

> > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10,

and 6

> > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating

negative

> > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord

indicates

> whether

> > > result is favourable or un favourable

> > >

> > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2

indicating

> 10,6

> > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately

forseen.

> > >

> > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method

the 3rd

> and

> > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and

Star-

> lord

> > > of Sub.

> > >

> > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,

> > >

> > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are

used.

> > >

> > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the

principal

> > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or

11.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file

section of

> this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur

Mumbai at

> > 12:17

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > >

> > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:

> > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2

or 7 or

> > > 11

> > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.

> > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is

not

> > > denied.

> > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one

> > > relationship is indicated.

> > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can

also

> > > indicate marriage).

> > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS

FORSEEN.

> > >

> > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without

signification of

> 2

> > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?

> > >

> > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative

Significator of

> > 10th

> > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?

> > >

> > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified

or also

> > the

> > > Secondary houses signified used?

> > >

> > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE

> > >

> > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of

Primary

> > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against

Negative

> Primary

> > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E

> > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any

Primary

> > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > >

> > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in

step 3

> > > neglected?

> > >

> > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file

section of

> > this

> > > group

> > >

> > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:

> > > Child birth: When?

> > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the

Primary

> > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is

positive then

> we

> > > fix the time.

> > >

> > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this

Planet are

> > > found tob be

> > >

> > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars:

9,not

> > > empty.6th empty)

> > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not

empty no

> > Not

> > > P)

> > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4

> > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP

> > >

> > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator

of 2nd in

> > the

> > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have

children:

> > >

> > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th

house in

> step

> > 3

> > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?

> > >

> > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.

> > >

> > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11

> > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator

of 1st

> > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4

> > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > >

> > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4

supersede

> > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in

step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : MOO 8

> > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative

Primary

> > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st

and 12th

> > > houses in step 4?

> > >

> > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > >

> > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator

of 6th

> > house

> > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in

step 3,

> and

> > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage?

> > >

> > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A

Comparative

> > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27

> > >

> > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's

sublord and

> > its

> > > constellation lord as significators rather than using

them as

> > > deciders " .

> > >

> > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?

> > >

> > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying

planet for

> > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house

in 4

> STEP

> > > theory. "

> > >

> > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4

STEP

> Theory?

> > >

> > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?

> > >

> > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.

> > >

> > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9

> > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P

> > >

> > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4

overrule

> > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3

and 1st

> > house

> > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?

> > >

> > > MARS DASA

> > >

> > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > >

> > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth

because

> of

> > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against

Negative

> > Primary

> > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in

step 2?

> > >

> > > JUPITER BHUKTI

> > >

> > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep

> > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly

aspt by MAR)

> > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj

MAR)

> > >

> > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house

in step

> > 1),

> > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be

neglected to

> > take

> > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of

Primary

> > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in

step 3?

> > >

> > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of

result

> in

> > 4-

> > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is

not in

> > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord

for

> child

> > > birth?

> > >

> > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > >

> > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary

by our

> KSK

> > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out

of this

> > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to

discuss this

> > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me

the

> theory

> > is

> > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step

but this

> is

> > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is

explained

> > in

> > > detail in my book

> > >

> > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)

> > >

> > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His

firm

> > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement

of

> result,

> > > but to consider it for timing.

> > >

> > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period

while DBA

> lord

> > > will be in retrograde?

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Kanak,

A clarification...

My reference to "Garam Hava" was after I read tw's comment..."if you are here only to advertise your book..." directed at Mr.Gondhalekar...

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, 28 May, 2007 9:44:43 AM Re: Please think and re think

 

Dear Swami ji,You're right. This the best KP group. Punit ji should be proud of it. That is why I'm still here. Don't worry. It'll be okay. We've passed through much worse experiences.Kanak is a man of piece and honesty. He likes me as a KP brother but not my way of discussing and grilling under any circumstances.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, <swami wrote:>> Dear Friends,> It is a group I feel which is succesful running for two reasons.> 1. Dear Punit ji as moderator Is very careful and perhaps keeps a good watch on nature of messages appearing on board. It allows maintenance of health of group.But what moderator can do When senior Members who are active members start replying erratically.> 2. It will be unfortunate if members like Kanak > Stops writing.Sh

Tin win ji is already in bad mood> Although Sunil ji started answering But healty discussion is the blood flow in the body of group.> In fact i wish subject to avaiability of time Group should flourish because it is only plateform for KP in absence of Magazine at present.> Shortly I shall be silent till 20 July for I shall be busy in a project. I request Moderator to allow release postings as early as possible as I am finding delay of two to three days.> This also defeats purpose of posting some times.> with regards,> OM TAT SAT.> swami_rcs> - > Kanak Bosmia > @gro ups.com > Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:40 PM> Please think and re think> > > > Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji,> > Now a

day this group member not ready to hear anything which is not match with his writing/thinking.> Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too. but each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from any writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when i ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word connection have many interpritation. and same subject discuss with Lajmi ji in past.> > what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with my nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask any one in group.> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:> dear

tin winji,> today i am free to reply> regarding your mail queries> 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not> i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP> then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA> in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet> i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun> 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive> 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step> then event will not happen in perticular dasa> 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when> planet is in own star.> 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.> 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP> 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say

dont refer readers but see only messages> 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read > the book.no neccessity for advertisement. moderator has not allowed me to advertise> 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules> i named it as 4 step theory> 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader> 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also> i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, sunil gondhalekar

> <sunilalaka@ > wrote:> >> > Dear tin winji> > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have > written> > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all > queries> > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries> > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is > answered in my magazine.> > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require > to answer your query i will reply> > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.> > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to > follow my method.i have used> > words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers> > thanks> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,>

> > > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know > the> > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion> > about 4-Step not to waste time.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, sunil gondhalekar > > <sunilalaka@ > wrote:> > >> > > dear tin winji,> > > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > > questions below.> > > > > > Thanks and

regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > > victory> > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note > that> > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> > > >india won today> > > > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > > > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > > > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > > negative > > > then marriage will not happen,i

have got so many examples of > these > > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is > not > > > correct> > > > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > > > > > For example when one is considering Marriage> > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > > 11,7> > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates > whether > > > result is favourable or un favourable> > > > > > However, if the results are

reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating > 10,6 > > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > > > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > > > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd > and > > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-> lord > > > of Sub.> > > > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > > > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > > > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > > > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > > > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section

of > this > > > group> > > > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > > 12:17> > > > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > > 11> > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > > denied.> > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > > relationship is indicated.> > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > > indicate marriage).> >

> CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > > > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of > 2 > > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > > > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > > 10th > > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > > > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > > the > > > Secondary houses signified used?> > > > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > > > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > > Significator of 11th house

only in 4 step against Negative > Primary > > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > > > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > > neglected?> > > > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > > this > > > group> > >

> > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> > > Child birth: When?> > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then > we > > > fix the time.> > > > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > > found tob be> > > > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > > empty.6th empty)> > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > > Not > > > P)> > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > > > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > > the > > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude

that lady will have children:> > > > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in > step > > 3 > > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > > > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > > > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house

in step 4 supersede > > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > > houses in step 4?> > > > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > > house > > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step

3, > and > > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > > > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > > its > > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > > deciders".> > > > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > > > > > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 > STEP> > > theory."> > > > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP > Theory?> > > > > > Whether Child-Birth

is promised?> > > > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > > > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > > > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > > house > > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > > > > > MARS DASA > > > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because > of > > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2

against Negative > > Primary > > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > > > > > JUPITER BHUKTI> > > > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > > > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > > 1), > > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > > take > > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > > > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result > in

> > 4-> > > Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > > > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for > child > > > birth?> > > > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our > KSK> > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the > theory > > is > > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this > is > > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > > in > > > detail in my book> > > > > > 4.2.

Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > > > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of > result, > > > but to consider it for timing.> > > > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA > lord > > > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > > security of spyware protection.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

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Dear Friends,

 

The hot summers around have created an atmosphere

which is not so sublime.I am very happy that now things are

smoothening out as they shud be. In short we can get back

to " business " , for which we regularly exchange knowledge. Poor souls

like Me would be lost without support from stalwarts of our group.

 

" Shudhha Vakya' is very important,and this is what

my astrologer father & a good (departed) soul would advise me

occasionally, whenever I stepped out of line. You see I have Mars

in my second house,further aspecting Moon, creating problems for

self, thru the tongue.Those were in my youthful days in service

after my graduating from IIT in early '60s'.I learnt and still

learning a lot,improving over time.

 

I humbly suggest, it would be a good idea to check

position of Mars in our horoscopes vis -a vis Moon,to understand

ourselves better, astrologically.Just a thought.

 

 

Forgive me for this ramblings.You are all wonderful

people.

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Swami ji,

>

> You're right. This the best KP group. Punit ji should be proud of

> it. That is why I'm still here.

>

> Don't worry. It'll be okay. We've passed through much worse

> experiences.

>

> Kanak is a man of piece and honesty. He likes me as a KP brother

but

> not my way of discussing and grilling under any circumstances.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

>

> , <swami@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > It is a group I feel which is succesful running for two reasons.

> > 1. Dear Punit ji as moderator Is very careful and perhaps keeps

a

> good watch on nature of messages appearing on board. It allows

> maintenance of health of group.But what moderator can do When

senior

> Members who are active members start replying erratically.

> > 2. It will be unfortunate if members like Kanak

> > Stops writing.Sh Tin win ji is already in bad mood

> > Although Sunil ji started answering But healty discussion is the

> blood flow in the body of group.

> > In fact i wish subject to avaiability of time Group should

> flourish because it is only plateform for KP in absence of

Magazine

> at present.

> > Shortly I shall be silent till 20 July for I shall be busy in a

> project. I request Moderator to allow release postings as early as

> possible as I am finding delay of two to three days.

> > This also defeats purpose of posting some times.

> > with regards,

> > OM TAT SAT.

> > swami_rcs

> > -

> > Kanak Bosmia

> >

> > Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:40 PM

> > Please think and re think

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunl ji and lajmi ji,

> >

> > Now a day this group member not ready to hear anything which

is

> not match with his writing/thinking.

> > Lajmi ji use word Garam hava and same used by sunil ji too.

but

> each and evry member have right to ask if want clerifiction from

any

> writing of any member, if one think that no one ask me anything on

> my writing then he has to stop his writing in group. as same when

i

> ask about word connection two of our member are angree, i do not

> understand why and what is wrong if one as about connection. word

> connection have many interpritation.and same subject discuss with

> Lajmi ji in past.

> >

> > what is going in group is not for learning purpose but to keep

> ego, and inselt other, nothing els and this all not suitable with

my

> nature so i decided not to write anything in group or never ask

any

> one in group.

> >

> > regards

> > Kanak Bosmia

> >

> > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > dear tin winji,

> > today i am free to reply

> > regarding your mail queries

> > 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not

> > i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP

> > then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA

> > in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of

> fast moving planet

> > i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun

> > 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative

> then i treat it as positive

> > 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also)

> should be on 3-4 step

> > then event will not happen in perticular dasa

> > 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets

> sub.they take it only when

> > planet is in own star.

> > 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP.

> > 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP

> > 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer

readers

> but see only messages

> > 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book

> thats why i insist to read

> > the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not

> allowed me to advertise

> > 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to

> due to conflict in some rules

> > i named it as 4 step theory

> > 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles

> and kp reader

> > 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also

> > i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> >

> > This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to

> respond.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , sunil gondhalekar

> > <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear tin winji

> > > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first

mail

> i have

> > written

> > > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply

> your all

> > queries

> > > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries

> > > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every

> query is

> > answered in my magazine.

> > > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still

> require

> > to answer your query i will reply

> > > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.

> > > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you

to

> > follow my method.i have used

> > > words " my method " but it is pure kp method mentioned in

> readers

> > > thanks

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> > >

> > > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout

> letting know

> > the

> > > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my

> discussion

> > > about 4-Step not to waste time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > , sunil gondhalekar

> > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear tin winji,

> > > > have you read my book or the comments are based on

> messages

> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >

> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,

> > > >

> > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask

> specific

> > > > questions below.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > > >

> > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to

see

> the

> > > victory

> > > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-

> 11,pl note

> > that

> > > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre

> orb,any way

> > > > >india won today

> > > >

> > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be

> neglected?

> > > >

> > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators

> > > >

> > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > > >

> > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step

> > > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if

> totally

> > > negative

> > > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many

> examples of

> > these

> > > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2

steps

> were not

> > > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced

by

> guruji

> > > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps

> which is

> > not

> > > > correct

> > > >

> > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)

> > > >

> > > > For example when one is considering Marriage

> > > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly

signify,

> houses

> > > 11,7

> > > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10,

> and 6

> > > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating

> negative

> > > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord

> indicates

> > whether

> > > > result is favourable or un favourable

> > > >

> > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2

> indicating

> > 10,6

> > > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately

> forseen.

> > > >

> > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)

> > > >

> > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method

> the 3rd

> > and

> > > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub

and

> Star-

> > lord

> > > > of Sub.

> > > >

> > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,

> > > >

> > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)

> > > >

> > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified

are

> used.

> > > >

> > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the

> principal

> > > > significator of any one one or more of the houses

2,7,or

> 11.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file

> section of

> > this

> > > > group

> > > >

> > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur

> Mumbai at

> > > 12:17

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > > >

> > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:

> > > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses

2

> or 7 or

> > > > 11

> > > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.

> > > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is

> not

> > > > denied.

> > > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than

one

> > > > relationship is indicated.

> > > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can

> also

> > > > indicate marriage).

> > > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS

> FORSEEN.

> > > >

> > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without

> signification of

> > 2

> > > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?

> > > >

> > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative

> Significator of

> > > 10th

> > > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?

> > > >

> > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses

signified

> or also

> > > the

> > > > Secondary houses signified used?

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE

> > > >

> > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because

of

> Primary

> > > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against

> Negative

> > Primary

> > > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > > >

> > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any

> Primary

> > > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11?

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE

> > > >

> > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in

> step 3

> > > > neglected?

> > > >

> > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file

> section of

> > > this

> > > > group

> > > >

> > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:

> > > > Child birth: When?

> > > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be

the

> Primary

> > > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is

> positive then

> > we

> > > > fix the time.

> > > >

> > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this

> Planet are

> > > > found tob be

> > > >

> > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer

Stars:

> 9,not

> > > > empty.6th empty)

> > > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not

> empty no

> > > Not

> > > > P)

> > > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4

> > > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP

> > > >

> > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator

> of 2nd in

> > > the

> > > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have

> children:

> > > >

> > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th

> house in

> > step

> > > 3

> > > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?

> > > >

> > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > > >

> > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative

Significator

> of 1st

> > > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step

4?

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > > >

> > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4

> supersede

> > > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses

in

> step 4?

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : MOO 8

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > > >

> > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative

> Primary

> > > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st

> and 12th

> > > > houses in step 4?

> > > >

> > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep

> > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )

> > > >

> > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator

> of 6th

> > > house

> > > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in

> step 3,

> > and

> > > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give

marriage?

> > > >

> > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A

> Comparative

> > > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27

> > > >

> > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's

> sublord and

> > > its

> > > > constellation lord as significators rather than using

> them as

> > > > deciders " .

> > > >

> > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?

> > > >

> > > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying

> planet for

> > > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative

house

> in 4

> > STEP

> > > > theory. "

> > > >

> > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4

> STEP

> > Theory?

> > > >

> > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?

> > > >

> > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9

> > > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P

> > > >

> > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4

> overrule

> > > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3

> and 1st

> > > house

> > > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?

> > > >

> > > > MARS DASA

> > > >

> > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11

> > > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10

> > > >

> > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child

birth

> because

> > of

> > > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against

> Negative

> > > Primary

> > > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in

> step 2?

> > > >

> > > > JUPITER BHUKTI

> > > >

> > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep

> > > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly

> aspt by MAR)

> > > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p

> > > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj

> MAR)

> > > >

> > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th

house

> in step

> > > 1),

> > > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be

> neglected to

> > > take

> > > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of

> Primary

> > > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in

> step 3?

> > > >

> > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment

of

> result

> > in

> > > 4-

> > > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is

> not in

> > > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal

sublord

> for

> > child

> > > > birth?

> > > >

> > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)

> > > >

> > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in

horary

> by our

> > KSK

> > > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results

out

> of this

> > > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to

> discuss this

> > > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me

> the

> > theory

> > > is

> > > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step

> but this

> > is

> > > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is

> explained

> > > in

> > > > detail in my book

> > > >

> > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)

> > > >

> > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method.

His

> firm

> > > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for

judgement

> of

> > result,

> > > > but to consider it for timing.

> > > >

> > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period

> while DBA

> > lord

> > > > will be in retrograde?

> > > >

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