Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific questions below. Thanks and regards, tw 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way >india won today Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected? 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur) For example when one is considering Marriage The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7 The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6 Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether result is favourable or un favourable However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen. 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur) Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord of Sub. 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2, 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur) In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of this group Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17 PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE: In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or 11 So initial reaction is Marriage is denied. However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not denied. VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one relationship is indicated. VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also indicate marriage). CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN. Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord? Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)? Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the Secondary houses signified used? PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4? PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 neglected? 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this group Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples: Child birth: When? Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we fix the time. 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are found tob be Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not empty.6th empty) Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not P) SUB : Mars :10P,11,4 StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children: Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house in step 4 be neglected? 7th cuspal sublord is Venus. PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 ) SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4? PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4? PLANET : MOO 8 It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E ) SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th houses in step 4? PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27 " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its constellation lord as significators rather than using them as deciders " . Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method? " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP theory. " Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory? Whether Child-Birth is promised? 5 th Sublord is Mercury. i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9 ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house in step 4 to say that child birth is promised? MARS DASA i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2? JUPITER BHUKTI i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR) iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR) Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3? Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4- Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child birth? 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in detail in my book 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur) I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, but to consider it for timing. Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord will be in retrograde? 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Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 dear tin winji, have you read my book or the comments are based on messages -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific questions below.Thanks and regards,tw1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)>>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory>on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that>for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way>india won todayQ-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 stepif step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by gurujinowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)For example when one is considering MarriageThe 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether result is favourable or un favourableHowever, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord of Sub.3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this groupComments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8EIt's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5ESUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or 11So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not denied.VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one relationship is indicated.VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also indicate marriage).CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the Secondary houses signified used?PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pEQ-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5EIt's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11ESUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pEQ-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7EpIt's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7EpIt's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pEQ-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 neglected?3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this groupPractical Apllication of the theory: Examples:Child birth: When?Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we fix the time.5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are found tob bePlanet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not empty.6th empty)Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not P)SUB : Mars :10P,11,4StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1ePThe 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?7th cuspal sublord is Venus.PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?PLANET : SUN + 11P-9EpIt's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?PLANET : MOO 8 It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th houses in step 4?PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3EpIt's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3EpSUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27" The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its constellation lord as significators rather than using them as deciders".Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?"--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet forbhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEPtheory."Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?Whether Child-Birth is promised?5 th Sublord is Mercury.i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2PQ-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?MARS DASA i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2piii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?JUPITER BHUKTIi) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Epii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2piv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4-Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child birth?4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSKbut my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in detail in my book4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firmopinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, but to consider it for timing.Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord will be in retrograde? Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Sunil Gondhalekar, If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion about 4-Step not to waste time. Regards, tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear tin winji, > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages > -sunil gondhalekar > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > questions below. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way > >india won today > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected? > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > correct > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur) > > For example when one is considering Marriage > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7 > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6 > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > result is favourable or un favourable > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen. > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur) > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > of Sub. > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2, > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur) > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17 > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE: > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > 11 > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied. > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > denied. > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > relationship is indicated. > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > indicate marriage). > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN. > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord? > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)? > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the > Secondary houses signified used? > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4? > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > neglected? > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples: > Child birth: When? > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > fix the time. > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > found tob be > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > empty.6th empty) > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not > P) > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4 > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children: > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected? > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus. > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 ) > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > PLANET : MOO 8 > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E ) > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > houses in step 4? > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27 > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > deciders " . > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method? > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP > theory. " > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory? > > Whether Child-Birth is promised? > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury. > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9 > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised? > > MARS DASA > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2? > > JUPITER BHUKTI > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR) > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR) > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3? > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4- > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > birth? > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in > detail in my book > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur) > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > but to consider it for timing. > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > will be in retrograde? > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion about 4-Step not to waste time. Regards, tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear tin winji, > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages > -sunil gondhalekar > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > questions below. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way > >india won today > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected? > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > correct > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur) > > For example when one is considering Marriage > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7 > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6 > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > result is favourable or un favourable > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen. > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur) > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > of Sub. > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2, > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur) > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17 > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE: > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > 11 > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied. > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > denied. > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > relationship is indicated. > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > indicate marriage). > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN. > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord? > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)? > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the > Secondary houses signified used? > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4? > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > neglected? > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples: > Child birth: When? > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > fix the time. > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > found tob be > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > empty.6th empty) > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not > P) > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4 > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children: > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected? > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus. > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 ) > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > PLANET : MOO 8 > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E ) > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > houses in step 4? > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27 > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > deciders " . > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method? > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP > theory. " > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory? > > Whether Child-Birth is promised? > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury. > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9 > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised? > > MARS DASA > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2? > > JUPITER BHUKTI > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR) > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR) > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3? > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4- > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > birth? > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in > detail in my book > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur) > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > but to consider it for timing. > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > will be in retrograde? > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Dear Sunil, There are many authors say V.K.Choudhry giver of System Analysis and Kavach,He has` wriiten about a dozen books. You have devised 4. step theory and I was also attempting to understand the methodology.Sh VKC does answer every question untiringly to students.He never asks to read his book. I am disappointed by your reply.As a student we have right to learn from Your divine presence. Any way from quote of Swami omkar and your response I am discuraged to try 4 step theory and have decided to go back to original KP. Any way thank for you for reading so much.I hope you will review your stand if you feel Book is not enough for search of Truth . with regards. Swami_rcs - tw853 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:42 PM Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method Dear Sunil Gondhalekar, If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion about 4-Step not to waste time.Regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tin winji,> have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > questions below.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory> >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> >india won today> > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > correct> > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > For example when one is considering Marriage> The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7> The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > result is favourable or un favourable> > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > of Sub.> > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17> > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > 11> So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > denied.> VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > relationship is indicated.> VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > indicate marriage).> CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the > Secondary houses signified used?> > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > neglected?> > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> Child birth: When?> Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > fix the time.> > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > found tob be> > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > empty.6th empty)> Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not > P)> SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : MOO 8 > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > deciders".> > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> theory."> > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > MARS DASA > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > JUPITER BHUKTI> > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4-> Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > birth?> > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in > detail in my book> > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > but to consider it for timing.> > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear Sriwastava ji, I am agree with you no one can find out all aspect only from books. regards Kanak Bosmiaswami wrote: Dear Sunil, There are many authors say V.K.Choudhry giver of System Analysis and Kavach,He has` wriiten about a dozen books. You have devised 4. step theory and I was also attempting to understand the methodology.Sh VKC does answer every question untiringly to students.He never asks to read his book. I am disappointed by your reply.As a student we have right to learn from Your divine presence. Any way from quote of Swami omkar and your response I am discuraged to try 4 step theory and have decided to go back to original KP. Any way thank for you for reading so much.I hope you will review your stand if you feel Book is not enough for search of Truth . with regards. Swami_rcs - tw853 Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:42 PM Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method Dear Sunil Gondhalekar, If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion about 4-Step not to waste time.Regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tin winji,> have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > questions below.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory> >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> >india won today> > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > correct> > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > For example when one is considering Marriage> The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7> The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > result is favourable or un favourable> > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > of Sub.> > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17> > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > 11> So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > denied.> VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > relationship is indicated.> VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > indicate marriage).> CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the > Secondary houses signified used?> > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > neglected?> > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> Child birth: When?> Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > fix the time.> > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > found tob be> > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > empty.6th empty)> Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not > P)> SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : MOO 8 > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > deciders".> > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> theory."> > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > MARS DASA > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > JUPITER BHUKTI> > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4-> Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > birth?> > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in > detail in my book> > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > but to consider it for timing.> > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.> "A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first And Honest people are screwed first." Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC 75 BC) Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dear tin winji you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine. still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply but i am of opinion that books must be studied first. it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers thanks -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know themembers anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussionabout 4-Step not to waste time.Regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear tin winji,> have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > questions below.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory> >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> >india won today> > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > correct> > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > For example when one is considering Marriage> The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7> The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > result is favourable or un favourable> > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > of Sub.> > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17> > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > 11> So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > denied.> VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > relationship is indicated.> VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > indicate marriage).> CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the > Secondary houses signified used?> > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > neglected?> > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> Child birth: When?> Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > fix the time.> > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > found tob be> > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > empty.6th empty)> Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not > P)> SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : MOO 8 > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > deciders".> > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> theory."> > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > MARS DASA > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > JUPITER BHUKTI> > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4-> Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > birth?> > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in > detail in my book> > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > but to consider it for timing.> > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Dears RCS and tw853, A lot of 'garam hava'(hot air) is being needlessly raised about "the 4-step theory",which is very simply, as follows,and as I have understood it... 1) Houses strongly represented by the Planet, 2) Houses strongly signified by the Star-lord of the Planet, 3) Houses strongly represented by the Sub-lord of the planet, 4) Houses signified by the Star-lord of this Sub-lord... as was aptly summarised by Mr.Raichur. In addition, personally,after listing down all significators arrived at,by using the above (or any method that you would like to use),I select ONLY those planets which are posited in the sub of a significator,whose star is untenanted... These will be the strongest significators,as per K.P.,in my humble opinion... and this has helped me immensely... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. "swami" <swami Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 11:18:32 PMRe: Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method Dear Sunil, There are many authors say V.K.Choudhry giver of System Analysis and Kavach,He has` wriiten about a dozen books. You have devised 4. step theory and I was also attempting to understand the methodology. Sh VKC does answer every question untiringly to students.He never asks to read his book. I am disappointed by your reply.As a student we have right to learn from Your divine presence. Any way from quote of Swami omkar and your response I am discuraged to try 4 step theory and have decided to go back to original KP. Any way thank for you for reading so much.I hope you will review your stand if you feel Book is not enough for search of Truth . with regards. Swami_rcs - tw853 @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:42 PM Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method Dear Sunil Gondhalekar, If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion about 4-Step not to waste time.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear tin winji,> have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > questions below.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory> >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> >india won today> > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > correct> > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > For example when one is considering Marriage> The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7> The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > result is favourable or un favourable> > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > of Sub.> > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17> > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > 11> So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > denied.> VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > relationship is indicated.> VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > indicate marriage).> CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the > Secondary houses signified used?> > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > neglected?> > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> Child birth: When?> Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > fix the time.> > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > found tob be> > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > empty.6th empty)> Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not > P)> SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : MOO 8 > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > deciders".> > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> theory."> > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > MARS DASA > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > JUPITER BHUKTI> > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4-> Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > birth?> > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in > detail in my book> > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > but to consider it for timing.> > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.> Download prohibited? No problem! CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Lajmi ji, Thanks for clarifying concept involved in lucid way.I will try its application once again. swami_rcs - Yogesh Rao Lajmi RCS & tw853 Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:40 PM Re: Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method Dears RCS and tw853, A lot of 'garam hava'(hot air) is being needlessly raised about "the 4-step theory",which is very simply, as follows,and as I have understood it... 1) Houses strongly represented by the Planet, 2) Houses strongly signified by the Star-lord of the Planet, 3) Houses strongly represented by the Sub-lord of the planet, 4) Houses signified by the Star-lord of this Sub-lord... as was aptly summarised by Mr.Raichur. In addition, personally,after listing down all significators arrived at,by using the above (or any method that you would like to use),I select ONLY those planets which are posited in the sub of a significator,whose star is untenanted... These will be the strongest significators,as per K.P.,in my humble opinion... and this has helped me immensely... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. "swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com" <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 11:18:32 PMRe: Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method Dear Sunil, There are many authors say V.K.Choudhry giver of System Analysis and Kavach,He has` wriiten about a dozen books. You have devised 4. step theory and I was also attempting to understand the methodology. Sh VKC does answer every question untiringly to students.He never asks to read his book. I am disappointed by your reply.As a student we have right to learn from Your divine presence. Any way from quote of Swami omkar and your response I am discuraged to try 4 step theory and have decided to go back to original KP. Any way thank for you for reading so much.I hope you will review your stand if you feel Book is not enough for search of Truth . with regards. Swami_rcs - tw853 @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:42 PM Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method Dear Sunil Gondhalekar, If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion about 4-Step not to waste time.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear tin winji,> have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > questions below.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory> >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> >india won today> > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > correct> > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > For example when one is considering Marriage> The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses 11,7> The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > result is favourable or un favourable> > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > of Sub.> > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at 12:17> > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > 11> So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > denied.> VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > relationship is indicated.> VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > indicate marriage).> CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of 10th > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also the > Secondary houses signified used?> > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > neglected?> > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of this > group> > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> Child birth: When?> Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > fix the time.> > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > found tob be> > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > empty.6th empty)> Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no Not > P)> SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in the > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step 3 > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > PLANET : MOO 8 > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > houses in step 4?> > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th house > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and its > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > deciders".> > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> theory."> > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st house > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > MARS DASA > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative Primary > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > JUPITER BHUKTI> > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step 1), > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to take > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in 4-> Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > birth?> > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory is > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained in > detail in my book> > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > but to consider it for timing.> > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.> Download prohibited? No problem! CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. Thanks and regards, tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > Dear tin winji > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine. > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first. > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used > words " my method " but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion > about 4-Step not to waste time. > > Regards, > > tw > > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > dear tin winji, > > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way > > >india won today > > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected? > > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators > > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > > correct > > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur) > > > > For example when one is considering Marriage > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7 > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6 > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable > > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen. > > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur) > > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star- lord > > of Sub. > > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2, > > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur) > > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. > > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. > > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of this > > group > > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17 > > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE: > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > 11 > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied. > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied. > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated. > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage). > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN. > > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord? > > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)? > > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used? > > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE > > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4? > > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected? > > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group > > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples: > > Child birth: When? > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time. > > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > found tob be > > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > empty.6th empty) > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P) > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4 > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP > > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children: > > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected? > > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus. > > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 ) > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E ) > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4? > > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27 > > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders " . > > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method? > > > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP > > theory. " > > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory? > > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised? > > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury. > > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9 > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P > > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised? > > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2? > > > > JUPITER BHUKTI > > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR) > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR) > > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3? > > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4- > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > > birth? > > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book > > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur) > > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing. > > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > > will be in retrograde? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > security of spyware protection. > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? 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Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Dear L.Y.Rao., 1. First of all, please keep in mind that this forum is for discussion on issues. 2. In this case, the issue is not a selection of significators as you're saying. 3. The real issue is whether the decider sublord in KP is taken as the significator in 4-Step as said and applied in their examples by 4-Step course participants. If so, it is a revision of KP implying 4- Step is not KP. The other way around is that if the negative Primary Significator plays its role as explained by the inventor and the promoter of 4-Step, the way of analysing of examples by 4-Steps participants seems in disarray. 4. If you understand something particular about 4-Step and the real issue, why don't you contribute something by answering my 16 questions in this regard in stead of saying other needless things out of issue. Thanks and regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dears RCS and tw853, > A lot of 'garam hava'(hot air) is being needlessly raised about " the 4-step theory " ,which is very simply, as follows,and as I have understood it... > 1) Houses strongly represented by the Planet, > 2) Houses strongly signified by the Star- lord of the Planet, > 3) Houses strongly represented by the Sub- lord of the planet, > 4) Houses signified by the Star-lord of this Sub-lord... > as was aptly summarised by Mr.Raichur. > In addition, personally,after listing down all significators arrived at,by using the above (or any method that you would like to use),I select ONLY those planets which are posited in the sub of a significator,whose star is untenanted... These will be the strongest significators,as per K.P.,in my humble opinion... and this has helped me immensely... > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > " swami " <swami > > Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 11:18:32 PM > Re: Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method > > Dear Sunil, > There are many authors say V.K.Choudhry giver of System Analysis and Kavach,He has` wriiten about a dozen books. > You have devised 4. step theory and I was also attempting to understand the methodology. Sh VKC does answer every question untiringly to students.He never asks to read his book. > I am disappointed by your reply.As a student we have right to learn from Your divine presence. > Any way from quote of Swami omkar and your response I am discuraged to try 4 step theory and have decided to go back to original KP. > Any way thank for you for reading so much.I hope you will review your stand if you feel Book is not enough for search of Truth . > with regards. > Swami_rcs > - > tw853 > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:42 PM > Re: Questions regarding 4-Step Method > > > Dear Sunil Gondhalekar, > > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion > about 4-Step not to waste time. > > Regards, > > tw > > @gro ups.com, sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote: > > > > dear tin winji, > > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way > > >india won today > > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected? > > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators > > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > > correct > > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur) > > > > For example when one is considering Marriage > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7 > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6 > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable > > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen. > > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur) > > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star- lord > > of Sub. > > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2, > > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur) > > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. > > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. > > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of this > > group > > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17 > > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE: > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > 11 > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied. > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied. > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated. > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage). > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN. > > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord? > > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)? > > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used? > > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE > > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4? > > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected? > > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group > > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples: > > Child birth: When? > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time. > > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > found tob be > > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > empty.6th empty) > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P) > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4 > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP > > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children: > > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected? > > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus. > > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 ) > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E ) > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4? > > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27 > > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders " . > > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method? > > > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP > > theory. " > > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory? > > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised? > > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury. > > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9 > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P > > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised? > > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2? > > > > JUPITER BHUKTI > > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR) > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR) > > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3? > > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4- > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > > birth? > > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book > > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur) > > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing. > > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > > will be in retrograde? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > security of spyware protection. > Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them at in. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 dear tin winji, today i am free to reply regarding your mail queries 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step then event will not happen in perticular dasa 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when planet is in own star. 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP. 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not allowed me to advertise 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules i named it as 4 step theory 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> Dear tin winji> you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have written> that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all queries> meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries> i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is answered in my magazine.> still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require to answer your query i will reply> but i am of opinion that books must be studied first.> it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to follow my method.i have used> words"my method"but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers> thanks> -sunil gondhalekar> > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know the> members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion> about 4-Step not to waste time.> > Regards,> > tw> > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> >> > dear tin winji,> > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages> > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar,> > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > questions below.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > victory> > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that> > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way> > >india won today> > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected?> > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators> > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not > > correct> > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur)> > > > For example when one is considering Marriage> > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > 11,7> > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6> > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates whether > > result is favourable or un favourable> > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating 10,6 > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen.> > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur)> > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord > > of Sub.> > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2,> > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur)> > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used.> > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11.> > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST "NOTE" ON 4-STEP in file section of this > > group> > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > 12:17> > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE:> > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > 11> > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied.> > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > denied.> > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > relationship is indicated.> > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > indicate marriage).> > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN.> > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of 2 > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord?> > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > 10th > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)?> > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > the > > Secondary houses signified used?> > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 )> > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE> > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative Primary > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E> > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E> > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep> > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE> > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > neglected?> > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S "SECOND" NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > group> > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples:> > Child birth: When?> > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then we > > fix the time.> > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > found tob be> > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > empty.6th empty)> > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > Not > > P)> > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4> > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP> > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > the > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children:> > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in step > 3 > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected?> > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus.> > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep)> > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E )> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > houses in step 4?> > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep> > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 )> > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > house > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, and > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > Analysis" article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27> > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > its > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > deciders".> > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method?> > > > "--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for> > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP> > theory."> > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP Theory?> > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised?> > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury.> > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9> > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P> > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > house > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised?> > > > MARS DASA > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11> > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10> > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because of > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > Primary > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2?> > > > JUPITER BHUKTI> > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep> > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR)> > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p> > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR)> > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > 1), > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > take > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3?> > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result in > 4-> > Step Method, is it relevant to say "As 5th sublord is not in > > retrograde constellation" in judging 5th csuspal sublord for child > > birth?> > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar)> > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our KSK> > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the theory > is > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this is > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > in > > detail in my book> > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur)> > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm> > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of result, > > but to consider it for timing.> > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA lord > > will be in retrograde?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > security of spyware protection.> >> > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? 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Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Dear Sunil Gondhalekar, 1. Thank you for your reply. > 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not > i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP > then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA > in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet > i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun 2. Even with 2,7,11 only, without 5,8, marriage denial is rare in reality, and so not much problem with promise of marriage. What I'm wondering is whether PR or anything can confirm or refuse a born positive or negative promise as shown by the cuspal Sublord of a natal chart? > 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive > 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step 3. Since 'totally negative' is very rare in reality, step 3 & 4 are mostly skewed to act as significators. > 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when > planet is in own star. 4. Without taking into account of the Sublord, no one can be a real KP astrologer like Shri Raichur, Shri Ganapathi, Lajimi ji, Kanak, article contributing KP astrologers in the KP & Astrology magazine. Otherwise it's just going back to the Satyachara of about 2000 years ago which is the origin of Starlord (step 2). > 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP. > 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP 5. RPs is only one of 3 methods in choosing fruitful significators. > 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages > 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read 6. It's a general understanding that any author will be able to answer off hand specific questions regarding general rules of his method written in his book. > 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules > i named it as 4 step theory > 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader 7. Not only for 4-Step but also for proper understanding of KP, could any member kindly provide with any KP reference regarding taking Starlord of the Sublord of the dasa lord (step 4), in assessing whether significators (in step 1 & 2) are fruitful or not by the Sublord (step 3) as the deciding factor? Because Shri Bhatt, the best presenter or interpreter of KP rules as per KSK original thinking, takes only the Sublord of the dasa lord, ie. houses occupied and owned by the dasa lord (step 3) only, without taking the Starlod of the Sublord (step 4). > 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also 8. Not considered in KP. Pluto was no more a planet as per finding of world known astronomers presented and agreed at their last year conference. Thanks and regards, tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear tin winji, > today i am free to reply > regarding your mail queries > 1.first to check 7csl,wheather marriage is promised or not > i consider 5-8 houses also.i confirm 7csl with help of RP > then i move to DBA,after cofirming DBA i check transit of DBA > in case of slow moving planet i see his sub and in case of fast moving planet > i see star lord.i dont check transit of Sun > 2.if planet on 3-4 step shows positive as well as negative then i treat it as positive > 3.totally negative means 1-6-10 houses,(in some cases 4also) should be on 3-4 step > then event will not happen in perticular dasa > 4.i know so many kp followers they dont consider planets sub.they take it only when > planet is in own star. > 5.my observation is that everybody will not get help of RP. > 6.thats why while deciding DBA I dont give weitage to RP > 7.if anybody wants to learn KP can you say dont refer readers but see only messages > 8.there are some more specific rules mentioned in my book thats why i insist to read > the book.no neccessity for advertisement.moderator has not allowed me to advertise > 9.last point 4 step method is developed from readers only to due to conflict in some rules > i named it as 4 step theory > 10.needless to say,KSK has used this point in some articles and kp reader > 11.i consider hershal,nep and pluto also > i hope this will clear the doubts and garam hava will exit > -sunil gondhalekar > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > This is a forum for discussion and you're supposed to respond. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > Dear tin winji > > you have misunderstand me.while answering your first mail i have > written > > that i am busy with my monthly magazine and will reply your all > queries > > meantime mr.raichur has fulfilled some queries > > i am running this magazine for last 14 years and every query is > answered in my magazine. > > still i am busy and will be free on sunday.if you still require > to answer your query i will reply > > but i am of opinion that books must be studied first. > > it is upto you to follow which method,not insisting you to > follow my method.i have used > > words " my method " but it is pure kp method mentioned in readers > > thanks > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > If you're here only to advertise your book whithout letting know > the > > members anything particular about your 4-Step, forget my discussion > > about 4-Step not to waste time. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , sunil gondhalekar > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear tin winji, > > > have you read my book or the comments are based on messages > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > > Dear Shri Raichur, Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > > > > > For clear understanding of 4-Step Method, let me ask specific > > > questions below. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > 1. Msg#13084 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the > > victory > > > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note > that > > > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way > > > >india won today > > > > > > Q-1. Does it mean negative bhavas on 4 step to be neglected? > > > > > > 2. Some Postings regarding Negative Significators > > > > > > 2.1. #13195 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > > negative > > > then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of > these > > > both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > > > giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is > not > > > correct > > > > > > 2.2. #13265 (Shri Raichur) > > > > > > For example when one is considering Marriage > > > The 1st and 2nd steps between them may stogngly signify, houses > > 11,7 > > > The 3rd and 4th steps may strongly signify houses 10, and 6 > > > Here one should consider that the planet is indicating negative > > > results, in line with KP principle that Sub lord indicates > whether > > > result is favourable or un favourable > > > > > > However, if the results are reverse, i.e. 1 and 2 indicating > 10,6 > > > while 3 and 4 signify 11,7 then marriage is definately forseen. > > > > > > 2.3. #13245 (Shri Raichur) > > > > > > Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd > and > > > 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star- > lord > > > of Sub. > > > > > > 3. REFERRING ABOVE POSTINGS IN 2, > > > > > > 3.1. #13244 (Shri Raichur) > > > > > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. > > > > > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal > > > significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. > > > > > > > > > 3.2. SHRI RAICHUR'S FIRST " NOTE " ON 4-STEP in file section of > this > > > group > > > > > > Comments on chart of girl born 27 Jul 1982 in Chembur Mumbai at > > 12:17 > > > > > > PLANET : VEN 9-1 -8E > > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > > It's SUB Lord : Sat 12-4E-5E > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > > > > Marriage. Check 7th sbl: This is VE: > > > In 4 steps VE does not signify principally the houses 2 or 7 or > > > 11 > > > So initial reaction is Marriage is denied. > > > However VE is not Principal Sig of 6,1 So Marriage is not > > > denied. > > > VE is in Gemini- a Dual Sign. So as per KP more than one > > > relationship is indicated. > > > VE is a Secondary Significator of 8, and 5 (which can also > > > indicate marriage). > > > CONSIDERING ALL THESE I HAVE TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FORSEEN. > > > > > > Q-2. Can marriage be promised in 4-Step without signification of > 2 > > > or 7 or 11 house by 7th cuspal sublord? > > > > > > Q-3. How can marriage be promised with Negative Significator of > > 10th > > > house in step 2 (and 12th house in step 4)? > > > > > > Q-4. In 4-Step, are only the Principle houses signified or also > > the > > > Secondary houses signified used? > > > > > > PLANET : RAH * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > > It's STAR Lord : Rah * 9P-(Mer 10P-9 -12 ) > > > It's SUB Lord : Moo 12-10 > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sun 10p-11pE > > > > > > Q-5. How can RAH dasa be chosen for marriage because of Primary > > > Significator of 11th house only in 4 step against Negative > Primary > > > Significator of 10th house in step 1, 2, 4? > > > > > > PLANET : SAT 12-4E-5E > > > It's STAR Lord : Moo 12p-10 > > > It's SUB Lord : Sun 10-11E > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > > > > > Q-6. How can SAT bhukti give marriage without any Primary > > > Significator of 2 or 7 or 11? > > > > > > PLANET : MAR * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > > > It's STAR Lord : Mar * 1P-2Ep-7Ep > > > It's SUB Lord : Mer + 10P-9 -12 > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Sat 12p-4pE-5pE > > > > > > Q-7. Is Negative Primary Significator of 10th house in step 3 > > > neglected? > > > > > > 3.3. SHRI RAICHUR'S " SECOND " NOTE ON 4-STEP in file section of > > this > > > group > > > > > > Practical Apllication of the theory: Examples: > > > Child birth: When? > > > Rule: The 5th (as qurrent is lady) Sub Lord must be the Primary > > > significator of 2nd/5th/or 11th. Only if this is positive then > we > > > fix the time. > > > > > > 5th sub Lord is Mercury: The houses signified by this Planet are > > > found tob be > > > > > > Planet Mer: 8P,9,6P (Mer in 8th:Noplanets in Mer Stars: 9,not > > > empty.6th empty) > > > Stl: Ven: 8P,10,5 (Star Lord hence P: Houses owned not empty no > > Not > > > P) > > > SUB : Mars :10P,11,4 > > > StL of SUB :Sat: 9P,2eP,1eP > > > > > > The 5th Sub Lord has become the Principal Significator of 2nd in > > the > > > fourth step: THERFORE we conclude that lady will have children: > > > > > > Q-8. How can Negative Primary Significators of 10th house in > step > > 3 > > > and 1st house in step 4 be neglected? > > > > > > 7th cuspal sublord is Venus. > > > > > > PLANET : VEN * 1P-6 -11 > > > It's STAR Lord : Ven * 1P-6 -11 > > > It's SUB Lord : Rah 12-(Jup 1 -4 ) > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > > > > > Q-9. How can the native marry with Negative Significator of 1st > > > house in step 1 and 2 and 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > > > > > PLANET : SUN + 11P-9Ep > > > It's STAR Lord : Jup 1p-4 > > > It's SUB Lord : Mar + 4P-5Ep-12 > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > > > > > Q-10. Can Primary Significator of 7th house in step 4 supersede > > > Negative Primary Significators of 6th and 10th houses in step 4? > > > > > > PLANET : MOO 8 > > > It's STAR Lord : Ket 6p-(Mer 10P-7Ep) > > > It's SUB Lord : Ket 6-(Mer 10-7E ) > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > > > > > Q-10. How can MOO bhukti give marriage with Negative Primary > > > Significator of 6th and 10th houses in step 2 and 1st and 12th > > > houses in step 4? > > > > > > PLANET : SAT + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > > > It's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > > It's SUB Lord : Sat + 6P-2Ep-3Ep > > > SUB's STAR Lord : Rah 12p-(Jup 1p-4 ) > > > > > > Q-11. Is SAT antara with Negative Primary Significator of 6th > > house > > > in step 1, 1st and 12th houses in step 2, 6th house in step 3, > and > > > 1st and 12th houses in step 4 capable to give marriage? > > > > > > 3.3. Rajendra Nimje: " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative > > > Analysis " article in KP E-Zine, April 2007, page 24-27 > > > > > > " The major difference 4 step is the use of planet's sublord and > > its > > > constellation lord as significators rather than using them as > > > deciders " . > > > > > > Q-5. Is it like this in 4-Step Method? > > > > > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for > > > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 > STEP > > > theory. " > > > > > > Q-11. Does it mean negative house to be neglected in 4 STEP > Theory? > > > > > > Whether Child-Birth is promised? > > > > > > 5 th Sublord is Mercury. > > > > > > i) Plt MER + in 8P l/o 6Ep, 9 > > > ii)Stl VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > > iii)Sbl MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > > > iv)Stl SAT in 9P l/o 1P, 2P > > > > > > Q-12. Can Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 4 overrule > > > Negative Primary Significtors of 10th house in step 3 and 1st > > house > > > in step 4 to say that child birth is promised? > > > > > > MARS DASA > > > > > > i) MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11 > > > ii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > > > iii)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > > iv)VEN * in 8P l/o 5, 10 > > > > > > Q13. Can MAR dasa be chosen as fruitful for child birth because > of > > > Primary Significator of 2nd house in step 2 against Negative > > Primary > > > Significtors of 10th house in step 1 and 1st house in step 2? > > > > > > JUPITER BHUKTI > > > > > > i) JUP + in 11P l/o 12Ep, 3Ep > > > ii) KET in 10p (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (RAH exactly aspt by MAR) > > > iii) SAT in 9p l/o of 1p, 2p > > > iv)RAH in 4 (MAR + in 10P l/o 4, 11) (KET exactly conj MAR) > > > > > > Q-14. Can Negative Primary Significator of (12 th house in step > > 1), > > > 10th house in step 2 and 4, 1st house in step 3 be neglected to > > take > > > Jupiter Bhukti is fruitful for child birth because of Primary > > > Significators of 11th house in step 1 and 2nd house in step 3? > > > > > > Q-15. If the retrogradation is neglected for judgment of result > in > > 4- > > > Step Method, is it relevant to say " As 5th sublord is not in > > > retrograde constellation " in judging 5th csuspal sublord for > child > > > birth? > > > > > > 4.1. Msg#13296 (Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar) > > > > > > more importance is given for retrograde planet in horary by our > KSK > > > but my eperience is that we are not getting results out of this > > > theory regarding this retrograde planets,i used to discuss this > > > matter with our guruji,late jyotindra hasbe.he told me the > theory > > is > > > under observation i dont use this theory in my 4 step but this > is > > > used only when we check transit of DBA swami. which is explained > > in > > > detail in my book > > > > > > 4.2. Posting in KP Research group (Shri Raichur) > > > > > > I consulted Mr Gondhalekar, author of 4 step Method. His firm > > > opinion is to neglect the retrogradation, for judgement of > result, > > > but to consider it for timing. > > > > > > Q-16. Does it mean not choose DBA during the period while DBA > lord > > > will be in retrograde? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added > > security of spyware protection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story. > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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