Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 dear members, kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated? sujat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear Sujata Yessujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: dear members,kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated?sujatGood Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 dear sujit, yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct -sunil gondhalekarsujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: dear members,kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated?sujat Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, 1. Q & A need to clarify for two different issues, namely i) to check 7CSL whether marriage is promised or not; OR ii) to judge whether DBA lord is fruitful for marriage. 2. Because regarding promise of marriage by 7CSL, i) in KP analysis, generally significators in only step 1 & 2 are taken into consideration. ii) in 4-Step Method, significators in all 4 steps step 3 & 4 are taken into consideration giving more importance to significators in step 3 & 4, raising a possibility of positive significators in step 3 & 4 which may not signified in step 1 & 2. Choice of Primary Significator is the same as per KP ranking of significators A to E and giving importance to the role of star. iii) Here is not much problem because of a general understanding in KP that as long as any of 2,7, 11 is signified in step 1 & 2, marriage is promised despite possible signification of negative 1,6,10. 3. Regarding judgement of fruition of marriage during DBA, 1) in KP, step 1 is taken as source of the result, step 2 as nature of the result (as significators), and step 3 (together with step 4) as a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not (decider). Guruji KSK simultaneously crowed in KP Reader III, V & VI that this discovery of sub as a deciding factor made crowned with his KP. ii) In 4-Step Method, not only significators of a matter in step 1 & 2 but also deciders (as per KP) of the matter in step 3 and 4 are also taken as significators. Considering deciders in step 3 & 4 in KP as significators in 4-Step Method looks like revision of KP, not extension of KP as mentioned by a 4-Step promoter. By doing so, subs (apart from RPs) can not be used in choosing DBA for timing of event. Choosing timing of event by each DBA signifying different houses of grouping in all DBA level can not be tallied in majority of post events. iii) In the E-Magazine article by Rajendra Nimje " KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis " : " -- it (4-Step Method) has taken into consideration planet's and cuspal sub's sub as 'sigificator' which was 'only a deciding factor'in traditional KP. " Note: No Traditional or Classical KP, only KP which is a trade mark of Guruji KSK. (No significant difference in Old KPA and New KPA, except just a technical formulation). 4. Second part of the following answer seems the same as KP, except the word " totally " . For clear understanding for 4-Step learners like me, could you kindly elaborate how to take consideration of negative significators. (i) Recent Message >>yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step >>if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally >>negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both (ii) Msg#13084 >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way >india won today (iii) Above mentioned E-Magazine article " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP theory. " 4. I am afraid to say that it is not true to say: >>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is >>not correct because as far as my study goes most KP followers have applied all the time step 1 & 2 as " significators " of the matter and step 3 & 4 as " deciders " of the matter. 5. Correct prediction and discussing rules are different things. Kanak has found in post-event study of plenty of charts that sublord significators in step 3 & 4 supersedes significators in step 1 & 2, for instance death by sublord significators of Maraka, Badhaka and Moksha despite 1, 5, 11 significators in step 1 & 2 and said that a good success rate in prediction can be achieved by taking into consideration of all these significators together. It is fine for post-event study. However, the real task in prediction for future is which significators to follow without a decider to make a right choice of life or death, marriage or denial, child birth or denial. 6. Guruji KSK and KP learners like me are not against the new methods which are trying to find what is not found in KP as mentioned by our KP brother Mr. Satish. Guruji says astrology is not monopoly and encourages further research to find new truth. But it is supposed to be clear cut, like not well educated for some reasons perhaps local traditions but smart Baskaran (like Kanak) says, here is KP, mine is KB; for Dr. Kar's Sub Sub Theory, KP means Kar Padhdhati. If anything wrong in my understanding, correction is highly appreciated. Thanks and regards, tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear sujit, > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage > will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both > KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results > thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct > -sunil gondhalekar > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > dear members, > kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step > 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated? > sujat > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 dear scholars i endorced the views of tin win hs nagi tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, 1. Q & A need to clarify for two different issues, namelyi) to check 7CSL whether marriage is promised or not;ORii) to judge whether DBA lord is fruitful for marriage.2. Because regarding promise of marriage by 7CSL, i) in KP analysis, generally significators in only step 1 & 2 are taken into consideration. ii) in 4-Step Method, significators in all 4 steps step 3 & 4 are taken into consideration giving more importance to significators in step 3 & 4, raising a possibility of positive significators in step 3 & 4 which may not signified in step 1 & 2. Choice of Primary Significator is the same as per KP ranking of significators A to E and giving importance to the role of star.iii) Here is not much problem because of a general understanding in KP that as long as any of 2,7, 11 is signified in step 1 & 2, marriage is promised despite possible signification of negative 1,6,10.3. Regarding judgement of fruition of marriage during DBA, 1) in KP, step 1 is taken as source of the result, step 2 as nature of the result (as significators), and step 3 (together with step 4) as a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not (decider). Guruji KSK simultaneously crowed in KP Reader III, V & VI that this discovery of sub as a deciding factor made crowned with his KP.ii) In 4-Step Method, not only significators of a matter in step 1 & 2 but also deciders (as per KP) of the matter in step 3 and 4 are also taken as significators. Considering deciders in step 3 & 4 in KP as significators in 4-Step Method looks like revision of KP, not extension of KP as mentioned by a 4-Step promoter. By doing so, subs (apart from RPs) can not be used in choosing DBA for timing of event. Choosing timing of event by each DBA signifying different houses of grouping in all DBA level can not be tallied in majority of post events.iii) In the E-Magazine article by Rajendra Nimje "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis": "-- it (4-Step Method) has taken into consideration planet's and cuspal sub's sub as 'sigificator' which was 'only a deciding factor'in traditional KP." Note: No Traditional or Classical KP, only KP which is a trade mark of Guruji KSK. (No significant difference in Old KPA and New KPA, except just a technical formulation).4. Second part of the following answer seems the same as KP, except the word "totally". For clear understanding for 4-Step learners like me, could you kindly elaborate how to take consideration of negative significators. (i) Recent Message>>yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step>>if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally >>negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both(ii) Msg#13084>>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory>on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that>for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way>india won today(iii) Above mentioned E-Magazine article"--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP theory." 4. I am afraid to say that it is not true to say:>>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is >>not correct because as far as my study goes most KP followers have applied all the time step 1 & 2 as "significators" of the matter and step 3 & 4 as "deciders" of the matter. 5. Correct prediction and discussing rules are different things. Kanak has found in post-event study of plenty of charts that sublord significators in step 3 & 4 supersedes significators in step 1 & 2, for instance death by sublord significators of Maraka, Badhaka and Moksha despite 1, 5, 11 significators in step 1 & 2 and said that a good success rate in prediction can be achieved by taking into consideration of all these significators together. It is fine for post-event study. However, the real task in prediction for future is which significators to follow without a decider to make a right choice of life or death, marriage or denial, child birth or denial.6. Guruji KSK and KP learners like me are not against the new methodswhich are trying to find what is not found in KP as mentioned by our KP brother Mr. Satish. Guruji says astrology is not monopoly and encourages further research to find new truth. But it is supposed to be clear cut, like not well educated for some reasons perhaps local traditions but smart Baskaran (like Kanak) says, here is KP, mine is KB; for Dr. Kar's Sub Sub Theory, KP means Kar Padhdhati. If anything wrong in my understanding, correction is highly appreciated. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear sujit,> yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage> will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both> KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results> thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct> -sunil gondhalekar> > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote:> dear members,> kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step > 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated?> sujat> > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 dear tiwinji, very long queries,of course needs the reply from me busy schedule with my magazine work,so will reply withis 3-4 days positively -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, 1. Q & A need to clarify for two different issues, namelyi) to check 7CSL whether marriage is promised or not;ORii) to judge whether DBA lord is fruitful for marriage.2. Because regarding promise of marriage by 7CSL, i) in KP analysis, generally significators in only step 1 & 2 are taken into consideration. ii) in 4-Step Method, significators in all 4 steps step 3 & 4 are taken into consideration giving more importance to significators in step 3 & 4, raising a possibility of positive significators in step 3 & 4 which may not signified in step 1 & 2. Choice of Primary Significator is the same as per KP ranking of significators A to E and giving importance to the role of star.iii) Here is not much problem because of a general understanding in KP that as long as any of 2,7, 11 is signified in step 1 & 2, marriage is promised despite possible signification of negative 1,6,10.3. Regarding judgement of fruition of marriage during DBA, 1) in KP, step 1 is taken as source of the result, step 2 as nature of the result (as significators), and step 3 (together with step 4) as a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not (decider). Guruji KSK simultaneously crowed in KP Reader III, V & VI that this discovery of sub as a deciding factor made crowned with his KP.ii) In 4-Step Method, not only significators of a matter in step 1 & 2 but also deciders (as per KP) of the matter in step 3 and 4 are also taken as significators. Considering deciders in step 3 & 4 in KP as significators in 4-Step Method looks like revision of KP, not extension of KP as mentioned by a 4-Step promoter. By doing so, subs (apart from RPs) can not be used in choosing DBA for timing of event. Choosing timing of event by each DBA signifying different houses of grouping in all DBA level can not be tallied in majority of post events.iii) In the E-Magazine article by Rajendra Nimje "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis": "-- it (4-Step Method) has taken into consideration planet's and cuspal sub's sub as 'sigificator' which was 'only a deciding factor'in traditional KP." Note: No Traditional or Classical KP, only KP which is a trade mark of Guruji KSK. (No significant difference in Old KPA and New KPA, except just a technical formulation).4. Second part of the following answer seems the same as KP, except the word "totally". For clear understanding for 4-Step learners like me, could you kindly elaborate how to take consideration of negative significators. (i) Recent Message>>yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step>>if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally >>negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both(ii) Msg#13084>>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory>on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that>for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way>india won today(iii) Above mentioned E-Magazine article"--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP theory." 4. I am afraid to say that it is not true to say:>>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is >>not correct because as far as my study goes most KP followers have applied all the time step 1 & 2 as "significators" of the matter and step 3 & 4 as "deciders" of the matter. 5. Correct prediction and discussing rules are different things. Kanak has found in post-event study of plenty of charts that sublord significators in step 3 & 4 supersedes significators in step 1 & 2, for instance death by sublord significators of Maraka, Badhaka and Moksha despite 1, 5, 11 significators in step 1 & 2 and said that a good success rate in prediction can be achieved by taking into consideration of all these significators together. It is fine for post-event study. However, the real task in prediction for future is which significators to follow without a decider to make a right choice of life or death, marriage or denial, child birth or denial.6. Guruji KSK and KP learners like me are not against the new methodswhich are trying to find what is not found in KP as mentioned by our KP brother Mr. Satish. Guruji says astrology is not monopoly and encourages further research to find new truth. But it is supposed to be clear cut, like not well educated for some reasons perhaps local traditions but smart Baskaran (like Kanak) says, here is KP, mine is KB; for Dr. Kar's Sub Sub Theory, KP means Kar Padhdhati. If anything wrong in my understanding, correction is highly appreciated. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear sujit,> yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage> will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both> KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results> thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct> -sunil gondhalekar> > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote:> dear members,> kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step > 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated?> sujat> > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear Tinwin Till Sunil Gondhalekar gives you the correct replies, here is my attempt to reply your question. The methodology of Getting significators is different in KP and 4 step. In Kp we get the Significator os each HOUSE, and then summarise the Houses signified by each planet. Here the order is A to E in descending order. In 4 step, the process is to get the houses signifyied by each planet Directly. The houses signified by a planet are the House of Residence, and the Houses Owned by it. These are marked as Strongly signified, or weakly signified, depending on the conditions. If there are no other planets in the Stars of a Planet, its house of Residence will be strongly signifed by it, irrespctive of other planets being in that house. WHEN a planet is thus strong, the houses owned by it are Strong, provoded they are NOT OCCUPIED. When a planet becomes a starlord of another planet (step2), and step 4, it is Strong, and the house of residence is strongly signified by it,houses owned also if empty. When a planet is in its own stars, it is strong, irrespective of other planets being int is stars In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. In KP we take the 7th sub lord to indicate marriage when it is signifies houses 2,7, or 11 in any grade (A,B,C,D, or e) In 4 step the timing is fixed by DBA . In kp the significators of the houses 2,7,11 are used From amongst these, the strongest are used. Choosing is done by 2 rules, or by RPs. The DBA are selected from practical consideration, the time of questioning etc. 4 step does no use RPs, to fix DBA s. Please read my notes on 4 step, in the file section. . sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear tiwinji, very long queries,of course needs the reply from me busy schedule with my magazine work,so will reply withis 3-4 days positively -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, 1. Q & A need to clarify for two different issues, namelyi) to check 7CSL whether marriage is promised or not;ORii) to judge whether DBA lord is fruitful for marriage.2. Because regarding promise of marriage by 7CSL, i) in KP analysis, generally significators in only step 1 & 2 are taken into consideration. ii) in 4-Step Method, significators in all 4 steps step 3 & 4 are taken into consideration giving more importance to significators in step 3 & 4, raising a possibility of positive significators in step 3 & 4 which may not signified in step 1 & 2. Choice of Primary Significator is the same as per KP ranking of significators A to E and giving importance to the role of star.iii) Here is not much problem because of a general understanding in KP that as long as any of 2,7, 11 is signified in step 1 & 2, marriage is promised despite possible signification of negative 1,6,10.3. Regarding judgement of fruition of marriage during DBA, 1) in KP, step 1 is taken as source of the result, step 2 as nature of the result (as significators), and step 3 (together with step 4) as a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not (decider). Guruji KSK simultaneously crowed in KP Reader III, V & VI that this discovery of sub as a deciding factor made crowned with his KP.ii) In 4-Step Method, not only significators of a matter in step 1 & 2 but also deciders (as per KP) of the matter in step 3 and 4 are also taken as significators. Considering deciders in step 3 & 4 in KP as significators in 4-Step Method looks like revision of KP, not extension of KP as mentioned by a 4-Step promoter. By doing so, subs (apart from RPs) can not be used in choosing DBA for timing of event. Choosing timing of event by each DBA signifying different houses of grouping in all DBA level can not be tallied in majority of post events.iii) In the E-Magazine article by Rajendra Nimje "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis": "-- it (4-Step Method) has taken into consideration planet's and cuspal sub's sub as 'sigificator' which was 'only a deciding factor'in traditional KP." Note: No Traditional or Classical KP, only KP which is a trade mark of Guruji KSK. (No significant difference in Old KPA and New KPA, except just a technical formulation).4. Second part of the following answer seems the same as KP, except the word "totally". For clear understanding for 4-Step learners like me, could you kindly elaborate how to take consideration of negative significators. (i) Recent Message>>yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step>>if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally >>negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both(ii) Msg#13084>>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory>on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that>for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way>india won today(iii) Above mentioned E-Magazine article"--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP theory." 4. I am afraid to say that it is not true to say:>>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is >>not correct because as far as my study goes most KP followers have applied all the time step 1 & 2 as "significators" of the matter and step 3 & 4 as "deciders" of the matter. 5. Correct prediction and discussing rules are different things. Kanak has found in post-event study of plenty of charts that sublord significators in step 3 & 4 supersedes significators in step 1 & 2, for instance death by sublord significators of Maraka, Badhaka and Moksha despite 1, 5, 11 significators in step 1 & 2 and said that a good success rate in prediction can be achieved by taking into consideration of all these significators together. It is fine for post-event study. However, the real task in prediction for future is which significators to follow without a decider to make a right choice of life or death, marriage or denial, child birth or denial.6. Guruji KSK and KP learners like me are not against the new methodswhich are trying to find what is not found in KP as mentioned by our KP brother Mr. Satish. Guruji says astrology is not monopoly and encourages further research to find new truth. But it is supposed to be clear cut, like not well educated for some reasons perhaps local traditions but smart Baskaran (like Kanak) says, here is KP, mine is KB; for Dr. Kar's Sub Sub Theory, KP means Kar Padhdhati. If anything wrong in my understanding, correction is highly appreciated. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear sujit,> yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage> will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both> KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results> thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct> -sunil gondhalekar> > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote:> dear members,> kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step > 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated?> sujat> > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear Tinwin Further to my posting on the subject, in 4 step method the 3rd and 4th step are given more importance , as they are Sub and Star-lord of Sub.sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear tiwinji, very long queries,of course needs the reply from me busy schedule with my magazine work,so will reply withis 3-4 days positively -sunil gondhalekartw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, 1. Q & A need to clarify for two different issues, namelyi) to check 7CSL whether marriage is promised or not;ORii) to judge whether DBA lord is fruitful for marriage.2. Because regarding promise of marriage by 7CSL, i) in KP analysis, generally significators in only step 1 & 2 are taken into consideration. ii) in 4-Step Method, significators in all 4 steps step 3 & 4 are taken into consideration giving more importance to significators in step 3 & 4, raising a possibility of positive significators in step 3 & 4 which may not signified in step 1 & 2. Choice of Primary Significator is the same as per KP ranking of significators A to E and giving importance to the role of star.iii) Here is not much problem because of a general understanding in KP that as long as any of 2,7, 11 is signified in step 1 & 2, marriage is promised despite possible signification of negative 1,6,10.3. Regarding judgement of fruition of marriage during DBA, 1) in KP, step 1 is taken as source of the result, step 2 as nature of the result (as significators), and step 3 (together with step 4) as a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not (decider). Guruji KSK simultaneously crowed in KP Reader III, V & VI that this discovery of sub as a deciding factor made crowned with his KP.ii) In 4-Step Method, not only significators of a matter in step 1 & 2 but also deciders (as per KP) of the matter in step 3 and 4 are also taken as significators. Considering deciders in step 3 & 4 in KP as significators in 4-Step Method looks like revision of KP, not extension of KP as mentioned by a 4-Step promoter. By doing so, subs (apart from RPs) can not be used in choosing DBA for timing of event. Choosing timing of event by each DBA signifying different houses of grouping in all DBA level can not be tallied in majority of post events.iii) In the E-Magazine article by Rajendra Nimje "KP Traditional vs 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis": "-- it (4-Step Method) has taken into consideration planet's and cuspal sub's sub as 'sigificator' which was 'only a deciding factor'in traditional KP." Note: No Traditional or Classical KP, only KP which is a trade mark of Guruji KSK. (No significant difference in Old KPA and New KPA, except just a technical formulation).4. Second part of the following answer seems the same as KP, except the word "totally". For clear understanding for 4-Step learners like me, could you kindly elaborate how to take consideration of negative significators. (i) Recent Message>>yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step>>if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally >>negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both(ii) Msg#13084>>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory>on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that>for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way>india won today(iii) Above mentioned E-Magazine article"--- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP theory." 4. I am afraid to say that it is not true to say:>>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is >>not correct because as far as my study goes most KP followers have applied all the time step 1 & 2 as "significators" of the matter and step 3 & 4 as "deciders" of the matter. 5. Correct prediction and discussing rules are different things. Kanak has found in post-event study of plenty of charts that sublord significators in step 3 & 4 supersedes significators in step 1 & 2, for instance death by sublord significators of Maraka, Badhaka and Moksha despite 1, 5, 11 significators in step 1 & 2 and said that a good success rate in prediction can be achieved by taking into consideration of all these significators together. It is fine for post-event study. However, the real task in prediction for future is which significators to follow without a decider to make a right choice of life or death, marriage or denial, child birth or denial.6. Guruji KSK and KP learners like me are not against the new methodswhich are trying to find what is not found in KP as mentioned by our KP brother Mr. Satish. Guruji says astrology is not monopoly and encourages further research to find new truth. But it is supposed to be clear cut, like not well educated for some reasons perhaps local traditions but smart Baskaran (like Kanak) says, here is KP, mine is KB; for Dr. Kar's Sub Sub Theory, KP means Kar Padhdhati. If anything wrong in my understanding, correction is highly appreciated. Thanks and regards,tw , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear sujit,> yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step> if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally negative then marriage> will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both> KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not giving results> thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji> nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is not correct> -sunil gondhalekar> > sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote:> dear members,> kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but step > 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated?> sujat> > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear Friends, While we wait clarifications from Sri Sunil,my comments are: 1. the potential/primacy for marriage is judged from 7th sub or sub-sub as viewed by some.This shud be associated with 2or 7 or11 and sometimes with 5th for love marriage.In the present day society,context of " marriage " , other houses get included,contentious issue. 2. The principal/primary significators are then identified and also houses signified.Rules per Files section a.l.a Sri Raichur. 3. DBA currently operating are studied for estabilishing time period.Transits as per KP.On the day of marriage,invariably,1stlord and 7th lord get related,this is per my small experience. Regards, Satish , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > 1. Q & A need to clarify for two different issues, namely > > i) to check 7CSL whether marriage is promised or not; > > OR > > ii) to judge whether DBA lord is fruitful for marriage. > > 2. Because regarding promise of marriage by 7CSL, > > i) in KP analysis, generally significators in only step 1 & 2 are > taken into consideration. > > ii) in 4-Step Method, significators in all 4 steps step 3 & 4 are > taken into consideration giving more importance to significators in > step 3 & 4, raising a possibility of positive significators in step > 3 & 4 which may not signified in step 1 & 2. Choice of Primary > Significator is the same as per KP ranking of significators A to E > and giving importance to the role of star. > > iii) Here is not much problem because of a general understanding in > KP that as long as any of 2,7, 11 is signified in step 1 & 2, > marriage is promised despite possible signification of negative > 1,6,10. > > 3. Regarding judgement of fruition of marriage during DBA, > > 1) in KP, step 1 is taken as source of the result, step 2 as nature > of the result (as significators), and step 3 (together with step 4) > as a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not > (decider). Guruji KSK simultaneously crowed in KP Reader III, V & VI > that this discovery of sub as a deciding factor made crowned with > his KP. > > ii) In 4-Step Method, not only significators of a matter in step 1 & > 2 but also deciders (as per KP) of the matter in step 3 and 4 are > also taken as significators. Considering deciders in step 3 & 4 in > KP as significators in 4-Step Method looks like revision of KP, not > extension of KP as mentioned by a 4-Step promoter. By doing so, subs > (apart from RPs) can not be used in choosing DBA for timing of > event. Choosing timing of event by each DBA signifying different > houses of grouping in all DBA level can not be tallied in majority > of post events. > > iii) In the E-Magazine article by Rajendra Nimje " KP Traditional vs > 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis " : > > " -- it (4-Step Method) has taken into consideration planet's and > cuspal sub's sub as 'sigificator' which was 'only a deciding > factor'in traditional KP. " > > Note: No Traditional or Classical KP, only KP which is a trade mark > of Guruji KSK. (No significant difference in Old KPA and New KPA, > except just a technical formulation). > > 4. Second part of the following answer seems the same as KP, except > the word " totally " . For clear understanding for 4-Step learners like > me, could you kindly elaborate how to take consideration of negative > significators. > > (i) Recent Message > > >>yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > >>if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > >>negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples > of these both > > (ii) Msg#13084 > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way > >india won today > > (iii) Above mentioned E-Magazine article > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP > theory. " > > 4. I am afraid to say that it is not true to say: > > >>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is > >>not correct > > because as far as my study goes most KP followers have applied all > the time step 1 & 2 as " significators " of the matter and step 3 & 4 > as " deciders " of the matter. > > 5. Correct prediction and discussing rules are different things. > Kanak has found in post-event study of plenty of charts that sublord > significators in step 3 & 4 supersedes significators in step 1 & 2, > for instance death by sublord significators of Maraka, Badhaka and > Moksha despite 1, 5, 11 significators in step 1 & 2 and said that a > good success rate in prediction can be achieved by taking into > consideration of all these significators together. It is fine for > post-event study. However, the real task in prediction for future is > which significators to follow without a decider to make a right > choice of life or death, marriage or denial, child birth or denial. > > 6. Guruji KSK and KP learners like me are not against the new methods > which are trying to find what is not found in KP as mentioned by our > KP brother Mr. Satish. Guruji says astrology is not monopoly and > encourages further research to find new truth. But it is supposed to > be clear cut, like not well educated for some reasons perhaps local > traditions but smart Baskaran (like Kanak) says, here is KP, mine is > KB; for Dr. Kar's Sub Sub Theory, KP means Kar Padhdhati. > > If anything wrong in my understanding, correction is highly > appreciated. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > > > > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > dear sujit, > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative then marriage > > will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both > > KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results > > thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is > not correct > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > dear members, > > kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but > step > > 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated? > > sujat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at > Games. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear Shri Raichur, 1. Thank you for your reply. > Please read my notes on 4 step, in the file section. 2. Yes, I've done many times and applied in some postings and that is why I'm able to raise this issue. > In 4 step, the process is to get the houses signifyied by each planet Directly. > The houses signified by a planet are the House of Residence, and the Houses Owned by it. > These are marked as Strongly signified, or weakly signified, depending on the conditions. > If there are no other planets in the Stars of a Planet, its house of Residence will be strongly signifed by it, irrespctive of other planets being in that house. WHEN a planet is thus strong, the houses owned by it are Strong, provoded they are NOT OCCUPIED. > When a planet becomes a starlord of another planet (step2), and step 4, it is Strong, and the house of residence is strongly signified by it,houses owned also if empty. > When a planet is in its own stars, it is strong, irrespective of other planets being int is stars 3. Above all are based on KP principle to choose a strong significator, nothing new. > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. > > In KP we take the 7th sub lord to indicate marriage when it is signifies houses 2,7, or 11 > in any grade (A,B,C,D, or e) 4. Not only that. KP taking only step 1 & 2 and 4-Step taking all 4- steps can give contradictory results in maring cases. > In 4 step the timing is fixed by DBA . In kp the significators of the houses 2,7,11 are used > From amongst these, the strongest are used. Choosing is done by 2 rules, or by RPs. > The DBA are selected from practical consideration, the time of questioning etc. > 4 step does no use RPs, to fix DBA s. 5. In 4-Step the timing is fixed by choosing each level DBA having each Primary significator of house grouping which may not tallied with reality. You said that it's time consuming to choose by transit. In KP timing of event, choosing fruitful DBA by Sublords of DBA lords, RPs and checking with transit are generally used. Practical consideration is crucial in any method. 6. The real questions not yet answered are as follows. 1) Is 4-Step Method is revision of KP or extension of KP as you used to say? -- by revising KP cornerstone of sublord from decider to signifiator. 2) What is the role of negative significators in 4-Step? 3) Is it correct or a mistake to say? > >>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is > >>not correct , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Tinwin > Till Sunil Gondhalekar gives you the correct replies, here is my attempt to reply your question. > > The methodology of Getting significators is different in KP and 4 step. In Kp we get the > Significator os each HOUSE, and then summarise the Houses signified by each planet. > Here the order is A to E in descending order. > In 4 step, the process is to get the houses signifyied by each planet Directly. > The houses signified by a planet are the House of Residence, and the Houses Owned by it. > These are marked as Strongly signified, or weakly signified, depending on the conditions. > If there are no other planets in the Stars of a Planet, its house of Residence will be strongly signifed by it, irrespctive of other planets being in that house. WHEN a planet is thus strong, the houses owned by it are Strong, provoded they are NOT OCCUPIED. > When a planet becomes a starlord of another planet (step2), and step 4, it is Strong, and the house of residence is strongly signified by it,houses owned also if empty. > When a planet is in its own stars, it is strong, irrespective of other planets being int is stars > > In 4 step thery only the Principal houses signified are used. > > For marriage, the 7th cuspal sub lord must be the principal significator of any one one or more of the houses 2,7,or 11. > > In KP we take the 7th sub lord to indicate marriage when it is signifies houses 2,7, or 11 > in any grade (A,B,C,D, or e) > > In 4 step the timing is fixed by DBA . In kp the significators of the houses 2,7,11 are used > From amongst these, the strongest are used. Choosing is done by 2 rules, or by RPs. > The DBA are selected from practical consideration, the time of questioning etc. > 4 step does no use RPs, to fix DBA s. > > Please read my notes on 4 step, in the file section. > > . > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: > dear tiwinji, > very long queries,of course needs the reply from me > busy schedule with my magazine work,so will reply withis 3-4 days positively > -sunil gondhalekar > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar, > > 1. Q & A need to clarify for two different issues, namely > > i) to check 7CSL whether marriage is promised or not; > > OR > > ii) to judge whether DBA lord is fruitful for marriage. > > 2. Because regarding promise of marriage by 7CSL, > > i) in KP analysis, generally significators in only step 1 & 2 are > taken into consideration. > > ii) in 4-Step Method, significators in all 4 steps step 3 & 4 are > taken into consideration giving more importance to significators in > step 3 & 4, raising a possibility of positive significators in step > 3 & 4 which may not signified in step 1 & 2. Choice of Primary > Significator is the same as per KP ranking of significators A to E > and giving importance to the role of star. > > iii) Here is not much problem because of a general understanding in > KP that as long as any of 2,7, 11 is signified in step 1 & 2, > marriage is promised despite possible signification of negative > 1,6,10. > > 3. Regarding judgement of fruition of marriage during DBA, > > 1) in KP, step 1 is taken as source of the result, step 2 as nature > of the result (as significators), and step 3 (together with step 4) > as a deciding factor whether the matter is favourable or not > (decider). Guruji KSK simultaneously crowed in KP Reader III, V & VI > that this discovery of sub as a deciding factor made crowned with > his KP. > > ii) In 4-Step Method, not only significators of a matter in step 1 & > 2 but also deciders (as per KP) of the matter in step 3 and 4 are > also taken as significators. Considering deciders in step 3 & 4 in > KP as significators in 4-Step Method looks like revision of KP, not > extension of KP as mentioned by a 4-Step promoter. By doing so, subs > (apart from RPs) can not be used in choosing DBA for timing of > event. Choosing timing of event by each DBA signifying different > houses of grouping in all DBA level can not be tallied in majority > of post events. > > iii) In the E-Magazine article by Rajendra Nimje " KP Traditional vs > 4 Step- A Comparative Analysis " : > > " -- it (4-Step Method) has taken into consideration planet's and > cuspal sub's sub as 'sigificator' which was 'only a deciding > factor'in traditional KP. " > > Note: No Traditional or Classical KP, only KP which is a trade mark > of Guruji KSK. (No significant difference in Old KPA and New KPA, > except just a technical formulation). > > 4. Second part of the following answer seems the same as KP, except > the word " totally " . For clear understanding for 4-Step learners like > me, could you kindly elaborate how to take consideration of negative > significators. > > (i) Recent Message > > >>yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > >>if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > >>negative then marriage will not happen,i have got so many examples > of these both > > (ii) Msg#13084 > > >>i have mentioned only positive bhavas on 4 step to see the victory > >on second step-1-10,and on 3-4 step-6-11,so 1-6-10-11,pl note that > >for drushti and yuti i only consider3-20 or 4 degrre orb,any way > >india won today > > (iii) Above mentioned E-Magazine article > > " --- On the other hand we don't drop the signifying planet for > bhukti or antara even if it is signifying negative house in 4 STEP > theory. " > > 4. I am afraid to say that it is not true to say: > > >>nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is > >>not correct > > because as far as my study goes most KP followers have applied all > the time step 1 & 2 as " significators " of the matter and step 3 & 4 > as " deciders " of the matter. > > 5. Correct prediction and discussing rules are different things. > Kanak has found in post-event study of plenty of charts that sublord > significators in step 3 & 4 supersedes significators in step 1 & 2, > for instance death by sublord significators of Maraka, Badhaka and > Moksha despite 1, 5, 11 significators in step 1 & 2 and said that a > good success rate in prediction can be achieved by taking into > consideration of all these significators together. It is fine for > post-event study. However, the real task in prediction for future is > which significators to follow without a decider to make a right > choice of life or death, marriage or denial, child birth or denial. > > 6. Guruji KSK and KP learners like me are not against the new methods > which are trying to find what is not found in KP as mentioned by our > KP brother Mr. Satish. Guruji says astrology is not monopoly and > encourages further research to find new truth. But it is supposed to > be clear cut, like not well educated for some reasons perhaps local > traditions but smart Baskaran (like Kanak) says, here is KP, mine is > KB; for Dr. Kar's Sub Sub Theory, KP means Kar Padhdhati. > > If anything wrong in my understanding, correction is highly > appreciated. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > , sunil gondhalekar > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > dear sujit, > > yes,marriage will happen if it signify on 3-4 step > > if step 1-2 indicate marriage but if on 3-4 step if totally > negative then marriage > > will not happen,i have got so many examples of these both > > KSK has formulates sub theory because only 2 steps were not > giving results > > thats why sub invention was introduced by guruji > > nowadays most of the kp followers follow only 2 steps which is > not correct > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > dear members, > > kindly clarify--- if steps 1 and 2 do not signify a marriage but > step > > 3 signifies it, can we say that the marriage is indicated? > > sujat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at > Games. > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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