Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak Bosmia Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji, Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard. First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: The following conditions to be satisfied : Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter. Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both. Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11 All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. Now let us review the cases under these rules. Case-1 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A ) ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-2 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A ) ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-3 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A ) ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-4 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A ) ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-5 i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A ) ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp. iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury. All the conditions satisfied. -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > please check bellow data: > =================================================================== > (1) > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > Not indicate multiple marriage. > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > Indicate multiple marriage. > > ================================================================== > (2) > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > Not indicate multiple marriage. > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > ===================================================================== > 3) > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > Not indicate multiple marriage. > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > Indicate multiple marriage. > =============================================================== > (4) > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11. > Indicate multiple marriage. > ================================================================== > 5) > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige. > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > ================================================================ > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you. > > hope this help > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > Dear Ghosh > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > Dear Raichurji > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive. > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep. > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister. > > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical. > > Your valued opinion please. > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage? > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...' > P146,ReaderIV > > Regards > > Suprakash > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an > > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the > > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then > > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at, > > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in > > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising > > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first. " > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear suprakash ji, I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji,Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard.First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:The following conditions to be satisfied :Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter.Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both.Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.Now let us review the cases under these rules.Case-1i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-2i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-3i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A )ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-4i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A )ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-5i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A )ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp.iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury.All the conditions satisfied.-- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Suprakash ji,> > please check bellow data:> ===================================================================> (1)> 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9> Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> (2)> (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > =====================================================================> 3)> > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ===============================================================> (4)> 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ==================================================================> 5)> > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige.> As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> ================================================================> this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you.> > hope this help> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji> > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > Dear Ghosh> > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Dear Raichurji> > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive.> > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep.> > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister.> > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical.> > Your valued opinion please.> > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage?> > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...'> P146,ReaderIV> > Regards> > Suprakash> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ravi ji,> > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > Dear all,> > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an> > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the> > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then> > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at,> > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in> > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising> > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > Regards,> > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear supraksh ji, Ok now i am able to find out page which you have mention. it is 257 not lii. please look 4th pera on same page: THEREFORE WHILE JUDGING THE TRAM\NSIT RESULT, THE FOLLOWING MUST BE INCLUDED: A)............ B)..........C)............... SUCH A consideration will be corrective method for the western system. All what is mention in this page or in all areticles is about TRANSIT(GOCHAR) not for natal chart. i want to know exmple about western aspect used by sri KSK ji in natal chart or horary chart. hope this clear now regards Kanak Bosmia Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji,Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard.First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:The following conditions to be satisfied :Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter.Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both.Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.Now let us review the cases under these rules.Case-1i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-2i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-3i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A )ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-4i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A )ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-5i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A )ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp.iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury.All the conditions satisfied.-- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Suprakash ji,> > please check bellow data:> ===================================================================> (1)> 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9> Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> (2)> (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > =====================================================================> 3)> > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ===============================================================> (4)> 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ==================================================================> 5)> > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige.> As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> ================================================================> this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you.> > hope this help> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji> > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > Dear Ghosh> > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Dear Raichurji> > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive.> > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep.> > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister.> > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical.> > Your valued opinion please.> > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage?> > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...'> P146,ReaderIV> > Regards> > Suprakash> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ravi ji,> > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > Dear all,> > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an> > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the> > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then> > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at,> > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in> > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising> > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > Regards,> > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate> > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A.> >> > > > > > > Good Luck> Raichur A R> Bombay Tel 2506 2609> Do not use anant_1608 @.cm Iam closing that account> > > > > > > Get your own web address.> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > > > > > > > Good Luck> Raichur A R> Bombay Tel 2506 2609> Do not use anant_1608 @.cm Iam closing that account> > > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > Straight trees are cut first > And Honest people are screwed first." > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC 75 BC) > > > > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games.> "A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first And Honest people are screwed first." Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC 75 BC) Never miss an email again! 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Kanak I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear suprakash ji, I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji,Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard.First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:The following conditions to be satisfied :Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter.Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both.Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.Now let us review the cases under these rules.Case-1i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-2i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-3i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A )ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-4i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A )ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-5i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A )ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp.iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury.All the conditions satisfied.-- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Suprakash ji,> > please check bellow data:> ===================================================================> (1)> 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9> Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> (2)> (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > =====================================================================> 3)> > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ===============================================================> (4)> 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ==================================================================> 5)> > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige.> As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> ================================================================> this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you.> > hope this help> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji> > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > Dear Ghosh> > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Dear Raichurji> > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive.> > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep.> > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister.> > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical.> > Your valued opinion please.> > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage?> > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...'> P146,ReaderIV> > Regards> > Suprakash> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ravi ji,> > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > Dear all,> > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an> > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the> > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then> > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at,> > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in> > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising> > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > Regards,> > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear sri Raichur ji, Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply. regards Kanak BosmiaRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Kanak I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear suprakash ji, I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji,Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard.First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:The following conditions to be satisfied :Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter.Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both.Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.Now let us review the cases under these rules.Case-1i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-2i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-3i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A )ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-4i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A )ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-5i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A )ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp.iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury.All the conditions satisfied.-- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Suprakash ji,> > please check bellow data:> ===================================================================> (1)> 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9> Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> (2)> (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > =====================================================================> 3)> > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ===============================================================> (4)> 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ==================================================================> 5)> > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige.> As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> ================================================================> this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you.> > hope this help> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji> > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > Dear Ghosh> > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Dear Raichurji> > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive.> > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep.> > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister.> > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical.> > Your valued opinion please.> > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage?> > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...'> P146,ReaderIV> > Regards> > Suprakash> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ravi ji,> > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > Dear all,> > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an> > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the> > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then> > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at,> > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in> > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising> > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > Regards,> > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Kanakji, I’m out of my home right now and I don’t have the book with me. Please read the paragraph I’ve quoted. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti effect according to the relative position of planets as per western aspect and not transit. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM Cc: Tin Win RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK Dear sri Raichur ji, Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply. regards Kanak Bosmia Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Kanak I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear suprakash ji, I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. regards Kanak Bosmia Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak Bosmia Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji, Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard. First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: The following conditions to be satisfied : Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter. Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both. Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11 All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. Now let us review the cases under these rules. Case-1 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A ) ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-2 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A ) ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-3 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A ) ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-4 i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A ) ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) All the conditions satisfied. Case-5 i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A ) ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp. iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury. All the conditions satisfied. -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > please check bellow data: > =================================================================== > (1) > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > Not indicate multiple marriage. > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > Indicate multiple marriage. > > ================================================================== > (2) > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > Not indicate multiple marriage. > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > ===================================================================== > 3) > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > Not indicate multiple marriage. > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > Indicate multiple marriage. > =============================================================== > (4) > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11. > Indicate multiple marriage. > ================================================================== > 5) > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > Heading / Item Notes > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige. > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > ================================================================ > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you. > > hope this help > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > Dear Ghosh > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > Dear Raichurji > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive. > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep. > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister. > > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical. > > Your valued opinion please. > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage? > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...' > P146,ReaderIV > > Regards > > Suprakash > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an > > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the > > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then > > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at, > > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in > > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising > > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first. " > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari OM Dear friends, In the beginning days Prof KSK used 108 number system and western aspects. In Reader Vol 1 April 87 Fifth edition has chapter ASPECTS AND THEIR SIGNIFICATIONS, Here as usual He has described hindu and western theory.There were few example about correction but use of aspect was not illustrated, Please see page 198 in Horary volume while dealing with Child Birth with Numbers 108 He did enumerate determination of Significators titled a to f as steps . is to be taken in the following order.He goes on from a to d .( that was determing significators steps) Here steps at e and f were related to Conjunction and receiving aspects. What is important is Those receiving aspects from the indicators is titled f . That called for explanation which aspect to be taken.he taught both but hardly used any to determine Significator. The confusion prevailed to the extent Astrology and athrishta April- june 1986 carried an article on aspects but Western written under brackets.It was authored by Sh K .M. Subramaniam. Now as time passed His emphasis was on a to d and e f lost its force. I have several articles in my library written By sh KSK himself like one on Smt Indira Gandhi, Jagat guru shankra charya and Annual charts, He has not given much importance to aspects anywhere except Conjunction and hindu aspects.Hope My post is relevent and i am not disturbing the thred. It is worth if reading is made of the aricle on aspects.It quotes views OF prof KSK as well states how cusp gets affected.But it is not of overwhelming importance for disuse. With best wishes. OM TATSATR.C.Srivastava" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding." - Kanak Bosmia Cc: Tin Win Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK Dear sri Raichur ji, Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply. regards Kanak BosmiaRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Kanak I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear suprakash ji, I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji,Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard.First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:The following conditions to be satisfied :Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter.Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both.Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.Now let us review the cases under these rules.Case-1i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-2i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-3i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A )ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-4i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A )ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-5i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A )ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp.iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury.All the conditions satisfied.-- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Suprakash ji,> > please check bellow data:> ===================================================================> (1)> 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9> Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> (2)> (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > =====================================================================> 3)> > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ===============================================================> (4)> 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ==================================================================> 5)> > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige.> As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> ================================================================> this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you.> > hope this help> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji> > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > Dear Ghosh> > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Dear Raichurji> > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive.> > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep.> > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister.> > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical.> > Your valued opinion please.> > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage?> > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...'> P146,ReaderIV> > Regards> > Suprakash> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ravi ji,> > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > Dear all,> > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an> > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the> > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then> > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at,> > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in> > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising> > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > Regards,> > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Kanak, 1. What Mr. Suprakash Ghosh referring is in Introduction of KP Reader V, Heading 16: " Ashtama Sani and Honour " , the example chart is given there page xlvii and then the quoted para in under the sub- heading " western system amended by K.S.K. " in page lii, at the end of Item 16: " Ashtama Sani and Honour " . 2. That is on the opposite page of next Heading 17: " Sade-sati- satisfadtory gains " , page liii (1983 Edition) as mentioned by Sr Raichur. 3. A little bit touching of Western aspects are in pages of 139 and 140 of KP Reader IV (1984/2002 Edt) as mentioned by Dr. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy in Msg#3749. 4. Those examples may not be practically helpful in the application of KP Rules. Moreover, aspects are a very weak sigificator as mentioned in Msg#2595. Naturally, the closer the aspect is, the greater is the influence experienced, but even aspects not within a tight ORB as 3d:20m in 4 step method may produce a recognizable effect. 5. Guruji KSK encouraged the study and use of Western aspects but Hindu aspects and conjunction are commonly used in example charts of KP Readers as some are mentioned in Msg#3748 and also example charts in review on Rahu/Ketu Rules in Msg#8911 as given below. 2/ PLANET IN ASPECT RULE 2.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET Reader III OE Part 2 pages 85/130/176/206-7/213(NE pages 244- 5/294/344/376-7/383-4) Reader IV page 111 Reader VI page 187 2.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD Reader VI page 190 2.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD Reader IV page 108 Regards, tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply. > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > Dear Kanak > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > Dear suprakash ji, > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > Kanakji > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. > > ReaderV > p-lii > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc " > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. > > > > with best regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > Dear Kanakji > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 > > I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now. > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > thanks for analysis, > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > Please check this: > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. > > > Case 1: > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > Case -2 > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > Case-3: > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > Case no:4 > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > Case no:5: > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > 1) > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > 2) > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > 3) > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > 4) > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > 5) > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji, > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I > need your help in this regard. > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > Mercury/Jupiter. > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of > either 7 or 11 > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > Case-1 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A ) > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-2 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A ) > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > cusp. (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-3 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces > (Condition A ) > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-4 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini > (Condition A ) > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-5 > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual > planet. (Condition A ) > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > cusp. > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star > of Mercury. > > All the conditions satisfied. > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > please check bellow data: > > > =================================================================== > > (1) > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > 5,SAT is in 12 > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > ================================================================== > > (2) > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > marriage. > > > ===================================================================== > > 3) > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > =============================================================== > > (4) > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > 11. > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > ================================================================== > > 5) > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > ================================================================ > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you > need more i will send you. > > > > hope this help > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > Raichurji > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > alive. > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > her husband a younger sister. > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > second marriage? > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which > the > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > planet > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > > keep...' > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this > an > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Tin Win ji, thanks for information. as per my personal experince i use Vedic aspect and only for node, bcoze node give first result of apsected planet, and to fix signification of Node we need apsect.otherewise generaly i do not use aspect. I feel that one have to write good book on KP principle with each and every rule and lotof exmple of that rule, in simple and eassy way.bcoze in reader on some point there is contradictry, like aspect, in first reader sri KSK ji suggest to use western aspect but he himself us Vedic( may be 2-3 exmple one can findout but we have to look for most of case not rear case), in first reader we found some metterial about Navmansa but after that we dont found anything on navmansa. which daylord we haveto use sunrise to sunrise or 00 Hrs.? i try to find out what Sri Ksk ji use but after refering all reader i found only one case which was befor sunrise and use sunrise to sunrise. so to clear all doubt KP Comunity need good book. regards Kanak Bosmiatw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak,1. What Mr. Suprakash Ghosh referring is in Introduction of KP Reader V, Heading 16: "Ashtama Sani and Honour", the example chart is given there page xlvii and then the quoted para in under the sub-heading "western system amended by K.S.K." in page lii, at the end of Item 16: "Ashtama Sani and Honour".2. That is on the opposite page of next Heading 17: "Sade-sati-satisfadtory gains", page liii (1983 Edition) as mentioned by Sr Raichur.3. A little bit touching of Western aspects are in pages of 139 and 140 of KP Reader IV (1984/2002 Edt) as mentioned by Dr. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy in Msg#3749.4. Those examples may not be practically helpful in the application of KP Rules. Moreover, aspects are a very weak sigificator as mentioned in Msg#2595. Naturally, the closer the aspect is, the greater is the influence experienced, but even aspects not within a tight ORB as 3d:20m in 4 step method may produce a recognizable effect.5. Guruji KSK encouraged the study and use of Western aspects but Hindu aspects and conjunction are commonly used in example charts of KP Readers as some are mentioned in Msg#3748 and also example charts in review on Rahu/Ketu Rules in Msg#8911 as given below.2/ PLANET IN ASPECT RULE2.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET Reader III OE Part 2 pages 85/130/176/206-7/213(NE pages 244-5/294/344/376-7/383-4)Reader IV page 111Reader VI page 1872.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD Reader VI page 1902.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD Reader IV page 108Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear sri Raichur ji,> Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that.> > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply.> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:> Dear Kanak> I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"> > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:> Dear suprakash ji,> > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it.> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Kanakji> > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect.> I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers.> > ReaderV> p-lii> > Topic : western system amended by KSK> "Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc"> > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect.> > > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data.> > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time.> > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data.> > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too.> > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245.> > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises.> > > > with best regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > Dear Kanakji> > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245> > I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation)> > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now.> > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data.> > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction.> > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245)> > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also.> > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > Dear suprakash ji,> > > thanks for analysis,> > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result.> > > Please check this:> > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146> IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE.....> > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen)> there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules.> > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. > > > Case 1:> > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > Case -2> > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > Case-3:> > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > Case no:4> > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > Case no:5:> > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate.> > > 1)> > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > 2)> > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > 3)> > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > 4)> > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > 5)> > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group.> > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > Dear Kanakji,> > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.> > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.> > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I > need your help in this regard.> > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:> > The following conditions to be satisfied :> > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > Mercury/Jupiter.> > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > houser 2 or 11 or both.> > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of > either 7 or 11> > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.> > Now let us review the cases under these rules.> > Case-1> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet > in Mercury star. (Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-2> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > cusp. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-3> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-4> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-5> > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual > planet. (Condition A )> > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > cusp.> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star > of Mercury.> > All the conditions satisfied.> > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > please check bellow data:> > > ===================================================================> > (1)> > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > 5,SAT is in 12 > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > Conj. with JUP l/o 9> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > ==================================================================> > (2)> > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > marriage. > > > =====================================================================> > 3)> > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ===============================================================> > (4)> > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > 11.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> > 5)> > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > Not indicate multiple marraige.> > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> > ================================================================> > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you > need more i will send you.> > > > hope this help> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url> (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > Raichurji> > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > Dear Ghosh> > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > Dear Raichurji> > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > alive.> > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > second wife, by law is like a keep.> > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > her husband a younger sister.> > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > 9th cusp is more logical.> > > > Your valued opinion please.> > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > second marriage?> > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which > the > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > planet > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > > keep...'> > P146,ReaderIV> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ravi ji,> > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this > an> > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Kanak, As you're aware, Vedic/Hindu/Indian day is used in both Vedic and KP. (KP Reader I page 100 & KP Reader VI page 138 and BV Raman: Hindu Predictive Astrology page 29) Regards, tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Tin Win ji, > > thanks for information. > > as per my personal experince i use Vedic aspect and only for node, bcoze node give first result of apsected planet, and to fix signification of Node we need apsect.otherewise generaly i do not use aspect. > > I feel that one have to write good book on KP principle with each and every rule and lotof exmple of that rule, in simple and eassy way.bcoze in reader on some point there is contradictry, like aspect, in first reader sri KSK ji suggest to use western aspect but he himself us Vedic( may be 2-3 exmple one can findout but we have to look for most of case not rear case), in first reader we found some metterial about Navmansa but after that we dont found anything on navmansa. which daylord we haveto use sunrise to sunrise or 00 Hrs.? i try to find out what Sri Ksk ji use but after refering all reader i found only one case which was befor sunrise and use sunrise to sunrise. so to clear all doubt KP Comunity need good book. > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Kanak, > > 1. What Mr. Suprakash Ghosh referring is in Introduction of KP > Reader V, Heading 16: " Ashtama Sani and Honour " , the example chart > is given there page xlvii and then the quoted para in under the sub- > heading " western system amended by K.S.K. " in page lii, at the end > of Item 16: " Ashtama Sani and Honour " . > > 2. That is on the opposite page of next Heading 17: " Sade-sati- > satisfadtory gains " , page liii (1983 Edition) as mentioned by Sr > Raichur. > > 3. A little bit touching of Western aspects are in pages of 139 and > 140 of KP Reader IV (1984/2002 Edt) as mentioned by Dr. Rangarajan > Krishnamoorthy in Msg#3749. > > 4. Those examples may not be practically helpful in the application > of KP Rules. Moreover, aspects are a very weak sigificator as > mentioned in Msg#2595. Naturally, the closer the aspect is, the > greater is the influence experienced, but even aspects not within a > tight ORB as 3d:20m in 4 step method may produce a recognizable > effect. > > 5. Guruji KSK encouraged the study and use of Western aspects but > Hindu aspects and conjunction are commonly used in example charts of > KP Readers as some are mentioned in Msg#3748 and also example charts > in review on Rahu/Ketu Rules in Msg#8911 as given below. > > 2/ PLANET IN ASPECT RULE > > 2.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET > Reader III OE Part 2 pages 85/130/176/206-7/213(NE pages 244- > 5/294/344/376-7/383-4) > Reader IV page 111 > Reader VI page 187 > > 2.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD > Reader VI page 190 > > 2.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD > Reader IV page 108 > > Regards, > > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > am waiting for his reply. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > Dear Kanak > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > intrested to know about it. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > Kanakji > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > western aspect. > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other > readers. > > > > ReaderV > > p-lii > > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc " > > > > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, > then we need for add modification and re check all data with > considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you > have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write > about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about > it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i > know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which > are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married > second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your > reply on another data. > > > > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > new 5 data. > > > > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much > happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry > about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules > you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is > 100%, we have check this too. > > > > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) > that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at > list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my > message 10245. > > > > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about > time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > educative exercises. > > > > > > > > with best regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > per your mail , Message #10245 > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > situation) > > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now. > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for > my own satisfaction. > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , > but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am > out of the town till Sunday. > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > thanks for analysis, > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > > > > Please check this: > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > refernce where writen) > > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > this rules. > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by > you in first mail. > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > Case -2 > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > Case-3: > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > Case no:4 > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > Case no:5: > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and > give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > group. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kanakji, > > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > confirmation.I > > need your help in this regard. > > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > Mercury/Jupiter. > > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > of > > either 7 or 11 > > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > > > Case-1 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A ) > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > planet > > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also > 2nd > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-2 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A ) > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > planet > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > opposition > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > > cusp. (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-3 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > Pisces > > (Condition A ) > > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > of > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > of > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > cusp > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-4 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > Gemini > > (Condition A ) > > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > Rahu,who > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > of > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > with > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-5 > > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > Sublord > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > dual > > planet. (Condition A ) > > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > > cusp. > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > star > > of Mercury. > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > please check bellow data: > > > > > =================================================================== > > > (1) > > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > (2) > > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > marriage. > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > 3) > > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > =============================================================== > > > (4) > > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > 11. > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > ================================================================== > > > 5) > > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > > ================================================================ > > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > you > > need more i will send you. > > > > > > hope this help > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > Raichurji > > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > to > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > alive. > > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > her husband a younger sister. > > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > > second marriage? > > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > which > > the > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > planet > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > keep a > > > keep...' > > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > dual > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > this > > an > > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Kanak, > > As you're aware, Vedic/Hindu/Indian day is used in > both Vedic and > KP. (KP Reader I page 100 & KP Reader VI page 138 > and BV Raman: > Hindu Predictive Astrology page 29) > > Regards, > > tw >.......................................................... Dear GURUJANS I think KSK was right in the Basics/practicals but when i Go thru The Readers And The Way He Had said about the north indians or hindus astrology, and had not used the words like, he would have been prayed like god, and better then the prashars , see his sons and the way they r commercial to the subject sori state of affairs is worst all astro logers are trying to go ahead of KSK but no one is going as per his thinking . Regards vinay sayal > > > , Kanak Bosmia > <kanakbosmia > wrote: > > > > Dear Tin Win ji, > > > > thanks for information. > > > > as per my personal experince i use Vedic aspect > and only for > node, bcoze node give first result of apsected > planet, and to fix > signification of Node we need apsect.otherewise > generaly i do not > use aspect. > > > > I feel that one have to write good book on KP > principle with > each and every rule and lotof exmple of that rule, > in simple and > eassy way.bcoze in reader on some point there is > contradictry, like > aspect, in first reader sri KSK ji suggest to use > western aspect but > he himself us Vedic( may be 2-3 exmple one can > findout but we have > to look for most of case not rear case), in first > reader we found > some metterial about Navmansa but after that we dont > found anything > on navmansa. which daylord we haveto use sunrise to > sunrise or 00 > Hrs.? i try to find out what Sri Ksk ji use but > after refering all > reader i found only one case which was befor sunrise > and use sunrise > to sunrise. so to clear all doubt KP Comunity need > good book. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Kanak, > > > > 1. What Mr. Suprakash Ghosh referring is in > Introduction of KP > > Reader V, Heading 16: " Ashtama Sani and Honour " , > the example chart > > is given there page xlvii and then the quoted para > in under the > sub- > > heading " western system amended by K.S.K. " in page > lii, at the end > > of Item 16: " Ashtama Sani and Honour " . > > > > 2. That is on the opposite page of next Heading > 17: " Sade-sati- > > satisfadtory gains " , page liii (1983 Edition) as > mentioned by Sr > > Raichur. > > > > 3. A little bit touching of Western aspects are in > pages of 139 > and > > 140 of KP Reader IV (1984/2002 Edt) as mentioned > by Dr. Rangarajan > > Krishnamoorthy in Msg#3749. > > > > 4. Those examples may not be practically helpful > in the > application > > of KP Rules. Moreover, aspects are a very weak > sigificator as > > mentioned in Msg#2595. Naturally, the closer the > aspect is, the > > greater is the influence experienced, but even > aspects not within > a > > tight ORB as 3d:20m in 4 step method may produce a > recognizable > > effect. > > > > 5. Guruji KSK encouraged the study and use of > Western aspects but > > Hindu aspects and conjunction are commonly used in > example charts > of > > KP Readers as some are mentioned in Msg#3748 and > also example > charts > > in review on Rahu/Ketu Rules in Msg#8911 as given > below. > > > > 2/ PLANET IN ASPECT RULE > > > > 2.1. RAHU/KETU AS PLANET > > Reader III OE Part 2 pages 85/130/176/206-7/213(NE > pages 244- > > 5/294/344/376-7/383-4) > > Reader IV page 111 > > Reader VI page 187 > > > > 2.2. RAHU/KETU AS STARLORD > > Reader VI page 190 > > > > 2.3. RAHU/KETU AS SUBLORD > > Reader IV page 108 > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , Kanak Bosmia > <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is > 256)it but it > > was about transit result not for natal or horary > chart.may be i am > > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western > aspect by Sri > KSK > > ji him self. there are many articles in reader > which are not > writen > > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this > question, and i > > am waiting for his reply. > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > Dear Kanak > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is > Western Method > > modified by KSK. Opp this page is > " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader > 5th, I have 9th > > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, > so i can check > it. > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont > mind.i am very > > intrested to know about it. > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Kanakji > > > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK > ji with useing > > western aspect. > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet > searched the other > > readers. > > > > > > ReaderV > > > p-lii > > > > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) > semi angular > > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx > aspect…..etc etc " > > > > > > > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases > using aspect. > > > > > > > > > Regards > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji, this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12. on page no:13 third pera aboput moon ".... conjoined with 4th and 5th lord, ..." now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. another in 11th line "....ven aspecting moon...." Moon is 5 Deg. and Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect? regards Kanak Bosmia Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Kanakji, I’m out of my home right now and I don’t have the book with me. Please read the paragraph I’ve quoted. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti effect according to the relative position of planets as per western aspect and not transit. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaThursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM Cc: Tin WinRE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK Dear sri Raichur ji, Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply. regards Kanak BosmiaRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Kanak I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear suprakash ji, I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Kanakji You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I’ve found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. ReaderV p-lii Topic : western system amended by KSK “Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc” I’ll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear Suprakash ji, 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. with best regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) 2) Interesting point…. Can’t tell you right now. 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I’m just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji’s case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. I’ll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won’t be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Kanak BosmiaWednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis Dear suprakash ji, thanks for analysis, 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. Please check this: (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. Case 1: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case -2 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case-3: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:4 Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. Case no:5: Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. 1) 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England 51 30 N 0 10 W England 2) 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA 33 47 N 118 11 W USA 3) 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL 41 51 N 87 39 W USA 4) 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH 40 34 N 84 12 W USA 5) 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. regards Kanak Bosmia feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanakji,Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I need your help in this regard.First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:The following conditions to be satisfied :Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury/Jupiter.Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of houser 2 or 11 or both.Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.Now let us review the cases under these rules.Case-1i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet in Mercury star. (Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-2i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition A )ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp. (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-3i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces (Condition A )ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-4i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini (Condition A )ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )All the conditions satisfied.Case-5i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual planet. (Condition A )ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd cusp.iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star of Mercury.All the conditions satisfied.-- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Suprakash ji,> > please check bellow data:> ===================================================================> (1)> 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o 5,SAT is in 12 > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 Conj. with JUP l/o 9> Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> (2)> (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple marriage. > =====================================================================> 3)> > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> Not indicate multiple marriage.> As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ===============================================================> (4)> 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in 11.> Indicate multiple marriage.> ==================================================================> 5)> > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> Heading / Item Notes> Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > Not indicate multiple marraige.> As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> ================================================================> this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you need more i will send you.> > hope this help> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear Raichurji> > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > Dear Ghosh> > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to find a 3rd child in the family. > > good luck> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Dear Raichurji> > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still alive.> > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the second wife, by law is like a keep.> > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of her husband a younger sister.> > Also, generally there must be some indication of separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > In this logic judging extramarital relation from 9th cusp is more logical.> > Your valued opinion please.> > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > second marriage?> > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which the > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual planet > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > keep...'> P146,ReaderIV> > Regards> > Suprakash> > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ravi ji,> > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > Dear all,> > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this an> > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, if > the> > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual sign, > then> > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am looking > at,> > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in Scorpio, > in> > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > promising> > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > Regards,> > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Dear Kanak, It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but nothing useful. As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used only Hindu aspects. Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the result will bethe stronger. How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can overrule the signification by occupation and lordship? How can transit results can overrule the dasa results? How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana? Regards, tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji, > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12. > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon " .... conjoined with 4th and 5th lord, ... " now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. another in 11th line " ....ven aspecting moon.... " Moon is 5 Deg. and Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect? > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > Kanakji, > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti effect according to the relative position of planets as per western aspect and not transit. > > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM > > Cc: Tin Win > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Kanak > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > Kanakji > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. > > ReaderV > > p-lii > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc " > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. > > > with best regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now. > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. > > > Regards > > > Suprakash > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > thanks for analysis, > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > > Please check this: > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. > > > > Case 1: > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case -2 > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case-3: > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case no:4 > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case no:5: > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > > 1) > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > 2) > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > 3) > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > 4) > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > 5) > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > Dear Kanakji, > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I > need your help in this regard. > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > Mercury/Jupiter. > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of > either 7 or 11 > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > Case-1 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A ) > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-2 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A ) > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > cusp. (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-3 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces > (Condition A ) > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-4 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini > (Condition A ) > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-5 > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual > planet. (Condition A ) > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > cusp. > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star > of Mercury. > > All the conditions satisfied. > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > please check bellow data: > > > =================================================================== > > (1) > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > 5,SAT is in 12 > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > ================================================================== > > (2) > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > marriage. > > > ===================================================================== > > 3) > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > =============================================================== > > (4) > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > 11. > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > ================================================================== > > 5) > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > ================================================================ > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you > need more i will send you. > > > > hope this help > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > Raichurji > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > alive. > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > her husband a younger sister. > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > second marriage? > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which > the > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > planet > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > > keep...' > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this > an > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Dear Tin Win ji, You are right. as we know only vedic aspect to be consider (and as per my strong opinion only use aspect for node),we have to stop this subject here, and in future we do not come in duscussion on same subject. regards Kanak Bosmiatw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak, It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but nothing useful.As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used only Hindu aspects. Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the result will bethe stronger.How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can overrule the signification by occupation and lordship?How can transit results can overrule the dasa results?How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana?Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji,> > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12.> on page no:13 third pera aboput moon ".... conjoined with 4th and 5th lord, ..." now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. another in 11th line "....ven aspecting moon...." Moon is 5 Deg. and Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect?> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> Kanakji,> > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti effect according to the relative position of planets as per western aspect and not transit.> > > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM> > Cc: Tin Win> RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK> > Dear sri Raichur ji,> > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that.> > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:> > Dear Kanak> > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"> > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:> > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Kanakji> > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect.> > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers.> > ReaderV> > p-lii> > Topic : western system amended by KSK> > "Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc"> > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data.> > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time.> > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data.> > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too.> > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245.> > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises.> > > with best regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > > Dear Kanakji> > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245> > > I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation)> > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now.> > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data.> > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction.> > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245)> > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also.> > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday.> > > Regards> > > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > thanks for analysis,> > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result.> > > > Please check this:> > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146> IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE.....> > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen)> there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules.> > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. > > > > Case 1:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case -2> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case-3:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case no:4> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case no:5:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate.> > > > 1)> > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > 2)> > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > 3)> > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > 4)> > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > 5)> > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group.> > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > Dear Kanakji,> > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.> > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.> > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I > need your help in this regard.> > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:> > The following conditions to be satisfied :> > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > Mercury/Jupiter.> > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > houser 2 or 11 or both.> > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of > either 7 or 11> > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.> > Now let us review the cases under these rules.> > Case-1> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet > in Mercury star. (Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-2> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > cusp. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-3> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-4> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-5> > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual > planet. (Condition A )> > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > cusp.> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star > of Mercury.> > All the conditions satisfied.> > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > please check bellow data:> > > ===================================================================> > (1)> > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > 5,SAT is in 12 > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > Conj. with JUP l/o 9> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > ==================================================================> > (2)> > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > marriage. > > > =====================================================================> > 3)> > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ===============================================================> > (4)> > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > 11.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> > 5)> > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > Not indicate multiple marraige.> > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> > ================================================================> > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you > need more i will send you.> > > > hope this help> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url> (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > Raichurji> > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > Dear Ghosh> > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > Dear Raichurji> > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > alive.> > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > second wife, by law is like a keep.> > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > her husband a younger sister.> > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > 9th cusp is more logical.> > > > Your valued opinion please.> > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > second marriage?> > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which > the > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > planet > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > > keep...'> > P146,ReaderIV> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ravi ji,> > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this > an> > > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, > if > > the> > > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual > sign, > > then> > > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am > looking > > at,> > > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in > Scorpio, > > in> > > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > > promising> > > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > > Straight trees are cut first > > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Dear Kanak, TIN WIN In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected. tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak, It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but nothing useful.As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used only Hindu aspects. Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the result will bethe stronger.How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can overrule the signification by occupation and lordship?How can transit results can overrule the dasa results?How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana?Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji,> > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12.> on page no:13 third pera aboput moon ".... conjoined with 4th and 5th lord, ..." now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. another in 11th line "....ven aspecting moon...." Moon is 5 Deg. and Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect?> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> Kanakji,> > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti effect according to the relative position of planets as per western aspect and not transit.> > > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM> > Cc: Tin Win> RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK> > Dear sri Raichur ji,> > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that.> > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:> > Dear Kanak> > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"> > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:> > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Kanakji> > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect.> > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers.> > ReaderV> > p-lii> > Topic : western system amended by KSK> > "Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc"> > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data.> > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time.> > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data.> > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too.> > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245.> > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises.> > > with best regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > > Dear Kanakji> > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245> > > I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation)> > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now.> > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data.> > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction.> > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245)> > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also.> > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday.> > > Regards> > > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > thanks for analysis,> > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result.> > > > Please check this:> > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146> IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE.....> > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen)> there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules.> > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. > > > > Case 1:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case -2> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case-3:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case no:4> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case no:5:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate.> > > > 1)> > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > 2)> > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > 3)> > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > 4)> > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > 5)> > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group.> > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > Dear Kanakji,> > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.> > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.> > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I > need your help in this regard.> > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:> > The following conditions to be satisfied :> > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > Mercury/Jupiter.> > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > houser 2 or 11 or both.> > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of > either 7 or 11> > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.> > Now let us review the cases under these rules.> > Case-1> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet > in Mercury star. (Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-2> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > cusp. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-3> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-4> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-5> > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual > planet. (Condition A )> > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > cusp.> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star > of Mercury.> > All the conditions satisfied.> > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > please check bellow data:> > > ===================================================================> > (1)> > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > 5,SAT is in 12 > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > Conj. with JUP l/o 9> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > ==================================================================> > (2)> > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > marriage. > > > =====================================================================> > 3)> > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ===============================================================> > (4)> > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > 11.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> > 5)> > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > Not indicate multiple marraige.> > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> > ================================================================> > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you > need more i will send you.> > > > hope this help> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url> (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > Raichurji> > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > Dear Ghosh> > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > Dear Raichurji> > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > alive.> > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > second wife, by law is like a keep.> > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > her husband a younger sister.> > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > 9th cusp is more logical.> > > > Your valued opinion please.> > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > second marriage?> > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which > the > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > planet > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > > keep...'> > P146,ReaderIV> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ravi ji,> > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this > an> > > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP principles, > if > > the> > > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual > sign, > > then> > > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am > looking > > at,> > > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in > Scorpio, > > in> > > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > > promising> > > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Ravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > > > Straight trees are cut first > > > And Honest people are screwed first." > > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 The question is : Should we use Western Aspect at all or not for deriving significators. KSK has advocated it but there is no written evidence. Many other KP researchers have found this aspect useful. I don’t think it is not wise to leave a concept as KSK has not given any written evidence. t is contrary to KP research & advancement of the theory. We need to examine few charts which: a) Only western aspect can explain the signification or. b) Only Vadic aspect can explain the signification If a single chart is found for both the cases then both Western & Eastern can be applicable on charts. One thing comes to mind : if we give so much importance on conjunction (particularly rapt) why not Western Aspects at least the major ones which are more precise than Vedic. I’d request all members to furnish charts of a) or b) category for analysis if available. Till then I’ll request Kanakji not to close the subject as tis is a fundamental issue & need to be sorted out without any ambiguity. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:01 PM Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK Dear Kanak, TIN WIN In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected. tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak, It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but nothing useful. As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used only Hindu aspects. Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the result will bethe stronger. How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can overrule the signification by occupation and lordship? How can transit results can overrule the dasa results? How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana? Regards, tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji, > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12. > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon " .... conjoined with 4th and 5th lord, ... " now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. another in 11th line " ....ven aspecting moon.... " Moon is 5 Deg. and Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect? > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > Kanakji, > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti effect according to the relative position of planets as per western aspect and not transit. > > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM > > Cc: Tin Win > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Kanak > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > Kanakji > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers. > > ReaderV > > p-lii > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc " > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data. > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data. > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too. > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245. > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises. > > > with best regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245 > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation) > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now. > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction. > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also. > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday. > > > Regards > > > Suprakash > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > thanks for analysis, > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > > Please check this: > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen) > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules. > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. > > > > Case 1: > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case -2 > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case-3: > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case no:4 > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > Case no:5: > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > > 1) > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > 2) > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > 3) > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > 4) > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > 5) > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group. > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > > > Dear Kanakji, > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I > need your help in this regard. > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > Mercury/Jupiter. > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of > either 7 or 11 > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > Case-1 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A ) > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-2 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A ) > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > cusp. (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-3 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces > (Condition A ) > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-4 > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini > (Condition A ) > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > All the conditions satisfied. > > Case-5 > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual > planet. (Condition A ) > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > cusp. > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star > of Mercury. > > All the conditions satisfied. > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > please check bellow data: > > > =================================================================== > > (1) > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > 5,SAT is in 12 > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > ================================================================== > > (2) > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > marriage. > > > ===================================================================== > > 3) > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > =============================================================== > > (4) > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > 11. > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > ================================================================== > > 5) > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > Heading / Item Notes > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > ================================================================ > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you > need more i will send you. > > > > hope this help > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > Raichurji > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > alive. > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > her husband a younger sister. > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > second marriage? > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which > the > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > planet > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > > keep...' > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this > an > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Dear Suprakash ji, If you add apsected planet in signification you found all nine planet, please try to look, not in one bhava but check all three bhava like for marriage 2,7,11 you found all nine planet.i have check this in many many case. this is the resion i do not give much importnat to aspect. regards Kanak BosmiaSuprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: The question is : Should we use Western Aspect at all or not for deriving significators. KSK has advocated it but there is no written evidence. Many other KP researchers have found this aspect useful. I don’t think it is not wise to leave a concept as KSK has not given any written evidence. t is contrary to KP research & advancement of the theory. We need to examine few charts which: a) Only western aspect can explain the signification or. b) Only Vadic aspect can explain the signification If a single chart is found for both the cases then both Western & Eastern can be applicable on charts. One thing comes to mind : if we give so much importance on conjunction (particularly rapt) why not Western Aspects at least the major ones which are more precise than Vedic. I’d request all members to furnish charts of a) or b) category for analysis if available. Till then I’ll request Kanakji not to close the subject as tis is a fundamental issue & need to be sorted out without any ambiguity. Regards Suprakash On Behalf Of Raichur-a-rTuesday, April 17, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK Dear Kanak, TIN WIN In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected. tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Kanak, It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but nothing useful.As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used only Hindu aspects. Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the result will bethe stronger.How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can overrule the signification by occupation and lordship?How can transit results can overrule the dasa results?How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana?Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji,> > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12.> on page no:13 third pera aboput moon ".... conjoined with 4th and 5th lord, ..." now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. another in 11th line "....ven aspecting moon...." Moon is 5 Deg. and Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect?> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> Kanakji,> > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti effect according to the relative position of planets as per western aspect and not transit.> > > Regards> > Suprakash> > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM> > Cc: Tin Win> RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK> > Dear sri Raichur ji,> > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that.> > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i am waiting for his reply.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:> > Dear Kanak> > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"> > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:> > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very intrested to know about it.> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > Kanakji> > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect.> > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the other readers.> > ReaderV> > p-lii> > Topic : western system amended by KSK> > "Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc"> > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after your reply on another data.> > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time.> > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in new 5 data.> > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, that is 100%, we have check this too.> > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention in my message 10245.> > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good educative exercises.> > > with best regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > > > Dear Kanakji> > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as per your mail , Message #10245> > > I have just made the rules more difficult by considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or situation)> > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now.> > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and Asc , Moon values matches with your data.> > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for my own satisfaction.> > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245)> > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs also.> > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I am out of the town till Sunday.> > > Regards> > > Suprakash> > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM> > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: My analysis> > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > thanks for analysis,> > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i have done this first and then try to find out some comman from all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check with 9th SL result give maximam correct result.> > > > Please check this:> > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146> IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, SECON MARRIAGE.....> > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you refernce where writen)> there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on this rules.> > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by you in first mail. > > > > Case 1:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case -2> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case-3:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case no:4> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > Case no:5:> > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate.> > > > 1)> > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > 2)> > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > 3)> > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > 4)> > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > 5)> > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in group.> > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh wrote:> > > > Dear Kanakji,> > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.> > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.> > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further confirmation.I > need your help in this regard.> > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:> > The following conditions to be satisfied :> > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > Mercury/Jupiter.> > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > houser 2 or 11 or both.> > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of > either 7 or 11> > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.> > Now let us review the cases under these rules.> > Case-1> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no planet > in Mercury star. (Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also 2nd > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-2> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > A )> > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no planet > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have opposition > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > cusp. (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-3> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign Pisces > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord of > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star of > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th cusp > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-4> > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign Gemini > (Condition A )> > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of Rahu,who > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord of > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect with > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )> > All the conditions satisfied.> > Case-5> > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. Sublord > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a dual > planet. (Condition A )> > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > cusp.> > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the star > of Mercury.> > All the conditions satisfied.> > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > please check bellow data:> > > ===================================================================> > (1)> > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > 5,SAT is in 12 > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > Conj. with JUP l/o 9> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > ==================================================================> > (2)> > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > marriage. > > > =====================================================================> > 3)> > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ===============================================================> > (4)> > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > 11.> > Indicate multiple marriage.> > ==================================================================> > 5)> > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> > Heading / Item Notes> > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > Not indicate multiple marraige.> > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> > ================================================================> > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if you > need more i will send you.> > > > hope this help> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url> (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > Raichurji> > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > Dear Ghosh> > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare to > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > Dear Raichurji> > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > alive.> > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > second wife, by law is like a keep.> > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > her husband a younger sister.> > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > 9th cusp is more logical.> > > > Your valued opinion please.> > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > second marriage?> > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in which > the > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > planet > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will keep a > > keep...'> > P146,ReaderIV> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ravi ji,> > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in dual > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is this > an> > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Nirayan Horoscopes and Western Aspects With Example Horoscope & Analytical Charts, 1984, By C.R. Bhatt may be helpful. Regards, tw , " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > > The question is : Should we use Western Aspect at all or not > for deriving significators. > > KSK has advocated it but there is no written evidence. > Many other KP researchers have found this aspect useful. I don't think > it is not wise to leave a concept as KSK has not given any written > evidence. t is contrary to KP research & advancement of the theory. > > We need to examine few charts which: > > a) Only western aspect can explain the signification > or. > b) Only Vadic aspect can explain the signification > > If a single chart is found for both the cases then both Western & > Eastern can be applicable on charts. > > One thing comes to mind : if we give so much importance on conjunction > (particularly rapt) why not Western Aspects at least the major ones > which are more precise than Vedic. > > I'd request all members to furnish charts of a) or b) category for > analysis if available. > > Till then I'll request Kanakji not to close the subject as tis is a > fundamental issue & need to be sorted out without any ambiguity. > > > Regards > > Suprakash > > > > > > > On > Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:01 PM > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects > used by KSK > > Dear Kanak, TIN WIN > In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of > only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give > any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve > the problem. They should not be neglected. > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Kanak, > > It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but > nothing useful. > > As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and > there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used > only Hindu aspects. > > Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the > result will bethe stronger. > > How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can > overrule the signification by occupation and lordship? > > How can transit results can overrule the dasa results? > > How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets > enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana? > > Regards, > > tw > > @gro <%40> > ups.com, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji, > > > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12. > > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon " .... conjoined with 4th > and 5th lord, ... " now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat > 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. > another in 11th line " ....ven aspecting moon.... " Moon is 5 Deg. and > Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect? > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > Kanakji, > > > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. > Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as > I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti > effect according to the relative position of planets as per western > aspect and not transit. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM > > @gro <%40> ups.com > > Cc: Tin Win > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th:aspects used by KSK > > > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > am waiting for his reply. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kanak > > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > intrested to know about it. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > Kanakji > > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > western aspect. > > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the > other readers. > > > > ReaderV > > > > p-lii > > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect...etc etc " > > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > @gro <%40> ups.com > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in > readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data > with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you > mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you > write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask > about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, > if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data > which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native > married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after > your reply on another data. > > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > new 5 data. > > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am > much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont > worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all > rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, > that is 100%, we have check this too. > > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my > work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check > with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention > in my message 10245. > > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry > about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > educative exercises. > > > > > > with best regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > per your mail , Message #10245 > > > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > situation) > > > > > > 2) Interesting point.. Can't tell you right now. > > > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > need of it when the job has already been done by you.but it is for > my own satisfaction. > > > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs > also. > > > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by > you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I > am out of the town till Sunday. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > @gro <%40> ups.com > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis > > > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > thanks for analysis, > > > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > > > > > > Please check this: > > > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > refernce where writen) > > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > this rules. > > > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by > you in first mail. > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case -2 > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case-3: > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case no:4 > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case no:5: > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart > and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > group. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji, > > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > confirmation.I > > need your help in this regard. > > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > Mercury/Jupiter. > > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > of > > either 7 or 11 > > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > > > Case-1 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A ) > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > planet > > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also > 2nd > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-2 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A ) > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > planet > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > opposition > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > > cusp. (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-3 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > Pisces > > (Condition A ) > > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > of > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > of > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > cusp > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-4 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > Gemini > > (Condition A ) > > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > Rahu,who > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > of > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > with > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-5 > > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > Sublord > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > dual > > planet. (Condition A ) > > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > > cusp. > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > star > > of Mercury. > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > -- In @gro <%40> > ups.com, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > please check bellow data: > > > > > =================================================================== > > > (1) > > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > (2) > > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > marriage. > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > 3) > > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > =============================================================== > > > (4) > > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > 11. > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > ================================================================== > > > 5) > > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > > ================================================================ > > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > you > > need more i will send you. > > > > > > hope this help > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > Raichurji > > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji - will you > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > to > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > alive. > > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > her husband a younger sister. > > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > > [@gro <%40> > ups.com] On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > @gro <%40> > ups.com > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > > second marriage? > > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > which > > the > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > planet > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > keep a > > > keep...' > > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > @gro <% 40> > ups.com, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > dual > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > this > > an > > > > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP > principles, > > if > > > the > > > > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual > > sign, > > > then > > > > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am > > looking > > > at, > > > > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in > > Scorpio, > > > in > > > > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > > > promising > > > > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A person should not be too honest. > > > > Straight trees are cut first > > > > And Honest people are screwed first. " > > > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 > BC > > > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Dear Sri Raichur, Hindu aspects are okay but not Western aspects without knowing how to reconcile with KP principles. Thanks and regards, tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Kanak, TIN WIN > In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected. > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Kanak, > > It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but > nothing useful. > > As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and > there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used > only Hindu aspects. > > Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the > result will bethe stronger. > > How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can > overrule the signification by occupation and lordship? > > How can transit results can overrule the dasa results? > > How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets > enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana? > > Regards, > > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji, > > > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12. > > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon " .... conjoined with 4th > and 5th lord, ... " now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat > 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. > another in 11th line " ....ven aspecting moon.... " Moon is 5 Deg. and > Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect? > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > Kanakji, > > > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. > Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as > I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti > effect according to the relative position of planets as per western > aspect and not transit. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM > > > > Cc: Tin Win > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th:aspects used by KSK > > > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > am waiting for his reply. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kanak > > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > intrested to know about it. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > Kanakji > > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > western aspect. > > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the > other readers. > > > > ReaderV > > > > p-lii > > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc " > > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > > > Regards > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in > readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data > with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you > mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you > write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask > about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, > if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data > which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native > married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after > your reply on another data. > > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > new 5 data. > > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am > much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont > worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all > rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, > that is 100%, we have check this too. > > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my > work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check > with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention > in my message 10245. > > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry > about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > educative exercises. > > > > > > with best regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > per your mail , Message #10245 > > > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > situation) > > > > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now. > > > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for > my own satisfaction. > > > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs > also. > > > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by > you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I > am out of the town till Sunday. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis > > > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > thanks for analysis, > > > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > > > > > > Please check this: > > > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > refernce where writen) > > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > this rules. > > > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by > you in first mail. > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case -2 > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case-3: > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case no:4 > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > Case no:5: > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart > and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > group. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji, > > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > confirmation.I > > need your help in this regard. > > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > Mercury/Jupiter. > > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > of > > either 7 or 11 > > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > > > Case-1 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A ) > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > planet > > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also > 2nd > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-2 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A ) > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > planet > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > opposition > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > > cusp. (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-3 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > Pisces > > (Condition A ) > > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > of > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > of > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > cusp > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-4 > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > Gemini > > (Condition A ) > > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > Rahu,who > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > of > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > with > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > Case-5 > > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > Sublord > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > dual > > planet. (Condition A ) > > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > > cusp. > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > star > > of Mercury. > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > please check bellow data: > > > > > =================================================================== > > > (1) > > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > (2) > > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > marriage. > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > 3) > > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > =============================================================== > > > (4) > > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > 11. > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > ================================================================== > > > 5) > > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > > ================================================================ > > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > you > > need more i will send you. > > > > > > hope this help > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > Raichurji > > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > to > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > alive. > > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > her husband a younger sister. > > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th > > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > > second marriage? > > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > which > > the > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > planet > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > keep a > > > keep...' > > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > dual > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > this > > an > > > > indication that second marriage is promised? From KP > principles, > > if > > > the > > > > 7th cusp sublord is Me or is associated with a planet in dual > > sign, > > > then > > > > second marriage is a possibility. In the specific case I am > > looking > > > at, > > > > none of them are in dual sign - 7th cusp sublord is Ve, in > > Scorpio, > > > in > > > > 11 conjoined with Me, in Scorpio in 11. Does 2nd marriage look > > > promising > > > > in this case? The native is waiting for a divorce. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A person should not be too honest. > > > > Straight trees are cut first > > > > And Honest people are screwed first. " > > > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 > BC > > > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Dear Raichur ji and Tin Win ji, bellow is table of todays signification table for 5:30 AM at L.G.Hospital-Ahmedabad 23 N 00, 72 E 37, please check E (vedic aspect) and try to look for any one event for exmple Mariage check 2,7,11 significatore you found all nine planet, not for marriage check with any event. this is clearly advice us to not use aspect for signification , BUT WHEN WE ANALYSIE NODE, AS PER RULE NODE GIVE FIRST RESULT OF CONJ PLANET, SECOND ASPECTED PLANET, SO THIS IS MUST IN NODE BUT NOT IN OTHER PLANET. I dont have any software who do signification table as per 4 stap, other wise i will also attached that too.I dont know what happan with colom E in 4 stap. Regards Kanak Bosmia please select bellow chat in courier font to look properly. QUERY:SUPER EIGHT WROLD CUP WESTINDIES VS ENGLAND 21_4_2007 NAME: KANAK BOSMIA PLACE :L G HOS.-AHD GUJARAT DATE :TUESDAY E: 17 - 4 - 2007 : TIME: 5 H. 30 M. 0 S. DASA BAL. Merc 5 Y. 115 Days ENDS ON 9 8 2012 BHK. Bal. Rahu 0 Y. 130 Days: ANT. Bal. Moon 76 Days: SOOK Bal. Moon 5 Days HOR.NO : 42 : Asc.for RP 345 Deg 54 Min LORDS : Jup,Sat,Jup,Ven Planet S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :Cusp S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl SsL SUN. 1 2 44 53 Mar Ket Ven Mer :ASC 3 0 0 0 Mer Mar Mer Mer MOON 12 25 49 48 Jup Mer Rah Moo :2nd 3 24 6 33 Mer Jup Mer Mer MARS 11 14 17 38 Sat Rah Mer Sat :3rd 4 18 59 22 Moo Mer Ket Rah MERC 12 16 23 55 Jup Sat Jup Mar :4th 5 17 33 12 Sun Ven Mar Jup JUP.-R 8 25 43 9 Mar Mer Rah Ven :5th 6 20 59 52 Mer Moo Ven Moo VEN. 2 11 51 41 Ven Moo Mar Moo :6th 7 26 38 32 Ven Jup Ven Ven SAT.-R 4 24 16 59 Moo Mer Rah Rah :7th 9 0 0 0 Jup Ket Ket Ket RAHU 11 20 11 7 Sat Jup Jup Jup :8th 9 24 6 33 Jup Ven Mer Mer KETU 5 20 11 7 Sun Ven Jup Jup :9th 10 18 59 22 Sat Moo Mer Rah URAN 11 23 5 44 Sat Jup Sat Moo :10th 11 17 33 12 Sat Rah Sun Mar NEPT 10 27 47 22 Sat Mar Jup Rah :11th 12 20 59 52 Jup Mer Ven Sat FOR. 2 23 4 55 Ven Moo Sun Sat :12th 1 26 38 32 Mar Ven Ket Mer PLUT-R 9 5 0 30 Jup Ket Mar Jup CUSP KUNDALI AS PER K.P. Shows Planets,Cusps,with Rasi Sign only. For retrogression,Deg Min refer to table above. Signs intercepted BUT with no planets in them are not printed.. *-*-* | * * * * | | * * * Fo 2 * | | * * * Ve 2 * | |3rd 4 * 2nd 3 * * 12t 1 * | | Sa 4 * * Asc 3 * * | | * * | | * * * * Mo 12 Su 1| | * * * * 11t 12| | * * * * | | * * * * | | * 4th 5 * * * | * Ke 5 * Me 12 * | * * * Ur 11 Ra 11 * | | * * * 10t 11 * | | * * * * | |5th 6 * * * * | | * * * * | | * * | | * * Pl 9 * * Ma 11 Ne 10| | * 6th 7 * 7th 9 * 8th 9 * 9th 10| | * Ju 8 * * * | | * * * * | | * * * * | *-*-* ASTROLOGER:Kanakkumar.B. Bosmia:Tel:079-2543 1165: mob:9825131165 QUERIST: KANAK BOSMIA :HOR NO 42 SIGNIFICATORS OF HOUSES SIGNIFICATORS ARE SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER OF IMPORTANCE A-Planets in Star of Occupants of House: B-Planets in House C-Planets in stars of House Lord: D-House Lord: E= Planets Aspected by A,B,C,D Trad aspects BY SIGN : F=Sub Lord Check B: planets near cusps within 3deg 20m OF CUSP THEY WILL ACT ALSO AS B CORRECT IN THE TABLE, ALSO IN TABLE BELOW HOUSE A B C D E F ---- ASC | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |SU: | 2nd | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |SU: | 3rd |MER: |SAT: |VEN:FOR: |Moo|ME:JU:VE:SU|Ket | | | | |MO: | 4th |SUN:PLU: |KET: | |Sun|MA:RA: |Mar | | | | | | 5th | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven | | | | |SU: | 6th |RAH:URA: |JUP: |KET: |Ven|JU:MA:RA:MO|Ven | | | | |ME:VE:SA:KE| 7th | |PLU: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ket | | | | |MA:KE: | 8th | | |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |MA:KE: | 9th |NEP: |MAR:NEP: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:VE:RA|Mer | | | | |KE:SA: | 10th |MOO:JUP:SAT:MAR|MER:RAH:URA: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:ME:VE|Sun | | | | |SA:MA:KE:RA| 11th |VEN:FOR: |SUN:MOO: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven | | | | |MA:KE:JU: | 12th |KET: |VEN:FOR: |NEP: |Mar|VE:RA:KE:SA|Ket | | | | |JU:MA: | ----tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,Hindu aspects are okay but not Western aspects without knowing how to reconcile with KP principles.Thanks and regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Kanak, TIN WIN> In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected.> > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Kanak, > > It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but > nothing useful.> > As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and > there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used > only Hindu aspects. > > Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the > result will bethe stronger.> > How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can > overrule the signification by occupation and lordship?> > How can transit results can overrule the dasa results?> > How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets > enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana?> > Regards,> > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji,> > > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12.> > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon ".... conjoined with 4th > and 5th lord, ..." now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat > 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. > another in 11th line "....ven aspecting moon...." Moon is 5 Deg. and > Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect?> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > Kanakji,> > > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. > Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as > I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti > effect according to the relative position of planets as per western > aspect and not transit.> > > > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM> > > > Cc: Tin Win> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th:aspects used by KSK> > > > Dear sri Raichur ji,> > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that.> > > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > am waiting for his reply.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> > > > Dear Kanak> > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"> > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote:> > > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > intrested to know about it.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > Kanakji> > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > western aspect.> > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the > other readers.> > > > ReaderV> > > > p-lii> > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK> > > > "Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc"> > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect.> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM> > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis> > > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in > readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data > with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you > mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you > write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask > about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, > if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data > which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native > married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after > your reply on another data.> > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time.> > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > new 5 data.> > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am > much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont > worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all > rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, > that is 100%, we have check this too.> > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my > work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check > with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention > in my message 10245.> > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry > about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > educative exercises.> > > > > > with best regards> > > > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji> > > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > per your mail , Message #10245> > > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > situation)> > > > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now.> > > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > Asc , Moon values matches with your data.> > > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for > my own satisfaction.> > > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245)> > > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs > also.> > > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by > you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I > am out of the town till Sunday.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM> > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis> > > > > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > > > > > thanks for analysis,> > > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result.> > > > > > > > Please check this:> > > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146> > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > SECON MARRIAGE.....> > > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > refernce where writen)> > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > this rules.> > > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by > you in first mail. > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case -2> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case-3:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case no:4> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case no:5:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart > and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate.> > > > > > > > 1)> > > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > > > 2)> > > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > > > 3)> > > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > > > 4)> > > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > > > 5)> > > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > group.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji,> > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.> > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.> > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > confirmation.I > > need your help in this regard.> > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:> > > > The following conditions to be satisfied :> > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > Mercury/Jupiter.> > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > > houser 2 or 11 or both.> > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > of > > either 7 or 11> > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.> > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules.> > > > Case-1> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A )> > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > planet > > in Mercury star. (Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also > 2nd > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-2> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A )> > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > planet > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > opposition > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > > cusp. (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-3> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > Pisces > > (Condition A )> > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > of > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > of > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > cusp > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-4> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > Gemini > > (Condition A )> > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > Rahu,who > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > of > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > with > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-5> > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > Sublord > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > dual > > planet. (Condition A )> > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > > cusp.> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > star > > of Mercury.> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > > > please check bellow data:> > > > > ===================================================================> > > (1)> > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > > > > ==================================================================> > > (2)> > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > marriage. > > > > > > =====================================================================> > > 3)> > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > ===============================================================> > > (4)> > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > 11.> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > ==================================================================> > > 5)> > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > Not indicate multiple marraige.> > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> > > ================================================================> > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > you > > need more i will send you.> > > > > > hope this help> > > > > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url> > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > Raichurji> > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > > > Dear Ghosh> > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > to > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Raichurji> > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > alive.> > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > second wife, by law is like a keep.> > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > her husband a younger sister.> > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > 9th cusp is more logical.> > > > > > Your valued opinion please.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > > prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > > second marriage?> > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > which > > the > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > planet > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > keep a > > > keep...'> > > P146,ReaderIV> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ravi ji,> > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > dual > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > this > > an> > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Dear Kanak, It's true that the overall E-level significators are not so useful that they are said very weak. Only some glaring ones may be useful as the last resort especially in post event analysis. Thanks and regards, tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Raichur ji and Tin Win ji, > > bellow is table of todays signification table for 5:30 AM at L.G.Hospital-Ahmedabad 23 N 00, 72 E 37, please check E (vedic aspect) and try to look for any one event for exmple Mariage check 2,7,11 significatore you found all nine planet, not for marriage check with any event. > > this is clearly advice us to not use aspect for signification , BUT WHEN WE ANALYSIE NODE, AS PER RULE NODE GIVE FIRST RESULT OF CONJ PLANET, SECOND ASPECTED PLANET, SO THIS IS MUST IN NODE BUT NOT IN OTHER PLANET. > I dont have any software who do signification table as per 4 stap, other wise i will also attached that too.I dont know what happan with colom E in 4 stap. > > Regards > Kanak Bosmia > > please select bellow chat in courier font to look properly. > > QUERY:SUPER EIGHT WROLD CUP WESTINDIES VS ENGLAND 21_4_2007 > NAME: KANAK BOSMIA PLACE :L G HOS.-AHD GUJARAT > DATE :TUESDAY E: 17 - 4 - 2007 : TIME: 5 H. 30 M. 0 S. > DASA BAL. Merc 5 Y. 115 Days ENDS ON 9 8 2012 > BHK. Bal. Rahu 0 Y. 130 Days: ANT. Bal. Moon 76 Days: > SOOK Bal. Moon 5 Days > HOR.NO : 42 : Asc.for RP 345 Deg 54 Min LORDS : Jup,Sat,Jup,Ven > Planet S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :Cusp S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl SsL > SUN. 1 2 44 53 Mar Ket Ven Mer :ASC 3 0 0 0 Mer Mar Mer Mer > MOON 12 25 49 48 Jup Mer Rah Moo :2nd 3 24 6 33 Mer Jup Mer Mer > MARS 11 14 17 38 Sat Rah Mer Sat :3rd 4 18 59 22 Moo Mer Ket Rah > MERC 12 16 23 55 Jup Sat Jup Mar :4th 5 17 33 12 Sun Ven Mar Jup > JUP.-R 8 25 43 9 Mar Mer Rah Ven :5th 6 20 59 52 Mer Moo Ven Moo > VEN. 2 11 51 41 Ven Moo Mar Moo :6th 7 26 38 32 Ven Jup Ven Ven > SAT.-R 4 24 16 59 Moo Mer Rah Rah :7th 9 0 0 0 Jup Ket Ket Ket > RAHU 11 20 11 7 Sat Jup Jup Jup :8th 9 24 6 33 Jup Ven Mer Mer > KETU 5 20 11 7 Sun Ven Jup Jup :9th 10 18 59 22 Sat Moo Mer Rah > URAN 11 23 5 44 Sat Jup Sat Moo :10th 11 17 33 12 Sat Rah Sun Mar > NEPT 10 27 47 22 Sat Mar Jup Rah :11th 12 20 59 52 Jup Mer Ven Sat > FOR. 2 23 4 55 Ven Moo Sun Sat :12th 1 26 38 32 Mar Ven Ket Mer > PLUT-R 9 5 0 30 Jup Ket Mar Jup > CUSP KUNDALI AS PER K.P. > Shows Planets,Cusps,with Rasi Sign only. For retrogression,Deg > Min refer to table above. Signs intercepted BUT with no planets > in them are not printed.. > *-*---------------------- ------------* > | * * * * | > | * * * Fo 2 * | > | * * * Ve 2 * | > |3rd 4 * 2nd 3 * * 12t 1 * | > | Sa 4 * * Asc 3 * * | > | * * | > | * * * * Mo 12 Su 1| > | * * * * 11t 12| > | * * * * | > | * * * * | > | * 4th 5 * * * | > * Ke 5 * Me 12 * > | * * * Ur 11 Ra 11 * | > | * * * 10t 11 * | > | * * * * | > |5th 6 * * * * | > | * * * * | > | * * | > | * * Pl 9 * * Ma 11 Ne 10| > | * 6th 7 * 7th 9 * 8th 9 * 9th 10| > | * Ju 8 * * * | > | * * * * | > | * * * * | > *-*------------------------ ----------* > > ASTROLOGER:Kanakkumar.B. Bosmia:Tel:079-2543 1165: mob:9825131165 > QUERIST: KANAK BOSMIA :HOR NO 42 > SIGNIFICATORS OF HOUSES > SIGNIFICATORS ARE SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER OF IMPORTANCE > A-Planets in Star of Occupants of House: B-Planets in House > C-Planets in stars of House Lord: D-House Lord: E= Planets > Aspected by A,B,C,D Trad aspects BY SIGN : F=Sub Lord > Check B: planets near cusps within 3deg 20m OF CUSP THEY WILL ACT ALSO AS B > CORRECT IN THE TABLE, ALSO IN TABLE BELOW > HOUSE A B C D E F > ------------------------- ------------ > ASC | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer > | | | | |SU: | > 2nd | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer > | | | | |SU: | > 3rd |MER: |SAT: |VEN:FOR: |Moo|ME:JU:VE:SU|Ket > | | | | |MO: | > 4th |SUN:PLU: |KET: | |Sun|MA:RA: |Mar > | | | | | | > 5th | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven > | | | | |SU: | > 6th |RAH:URA: |JUP: |KET: |Ven|JU:MA:RA:MO|Ven > | | | | |ME:VE:SA:KE| > 7th | |PLU: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ket > | | | | |MA:KE: | > 8th | | |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer > | | | | |MA:KE: | > 9th |NEP: |MAR:NEP: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:VE:RA|Mer > | | | | |KE:SA: | > 10th |MOO:JUP:SAT:MAR|MER:RAH:URA: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:ME:VE|Sun > | | | | |SA:MA:KE:RA| > 11th |VEN:FOR: |SUN:MOO: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven > | | | | |MA:KE:JU: | > 12th |KET: |VEN:FOR: |NEP: |Mar|VE:RA:KE:SA|Ket > | | | | |JU:MA: | > ------------------------- ------------ > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Sri Raichur, > > Hindu aspects are okay but not Western aspects without knowing how > to reconcile with KP principles. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kanak, TIN WIN > > In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an > orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem > not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in > handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected. > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Kanak, > > > > It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but > > nothing useful. > > > > As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here > and > > there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used > > only Hindu aspects. > > > > Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the > > result will bethe stronger. > > > > How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can > > overrule the signification by occupation and lordship? > > > > How can transit results can overrule the dasa results? > > > > How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets > > enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji, > > > > > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12. > > > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon " .... conjoined with 4th > > and 5th lord, ... " now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat > > 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in > conjuction. > > another in 11th line " ....ven aspecting moon.... " Moon is 5 Deg. > and > > Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect? > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > Kanakji, > > > > > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. > > Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far > as > > I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti > > effect according to the relative position of planets as per > western > > aspect and not transit. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM > > > > > > Cc: Tin Win > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > > 7th:aspects used by KSK > > > > > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > > > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri > KSK > > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not > writen > > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > > am waiting for his reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kanak > > > > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > > modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > > intrested to know about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Kanakji > > > > > > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > > western aspect. > > > > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the > > other readers. > > > > > > ReaderV > > > > > > p-lii > > > > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > > > > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc " > > > > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th: > > My analysis > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in > > readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data > > with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you > > mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if > you > > write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask > > about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, > > if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many > data > > which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native > > married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more > after > > your reply on another data. > > > > > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > > > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > > new 5 data. > > > > > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am > > much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont > > worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use > all > > rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, > > that is 100%, we have check this too. > > > > > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my > > work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check > > with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is > mention > > in my message 10245. > > > > > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry > > about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > > educative exercises. > > > > > > > > > with best regards > > > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > > per your mail , Message #10245 > > > > > > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > > situation) > > > > > > > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now. > > > > > > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > > Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > > > > > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > > need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for > > my own satisfaction. > > > > > > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > > > > > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs > > also. > > > > > > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by > > you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as > I > > am out of the town till Sunday. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th: > > My analysis > > > > > > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for analysis, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please check this: > > > > > > > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > > > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > > SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > > > > > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > > refernce where writen) > > > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > > this rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give > by > > you in first mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case -2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case-3: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case no:4 > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case no:5: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart > > and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji, > > > > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > > > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > > > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > > confirmation.I > > > need your help in this regard. > > > > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said > by > > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > > > > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > > > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > > Mercury/Jupiter. > > > > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator > of > > > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > > > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > > of > > > either 7 or 11 > > > > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > > > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > > > > > Case-1 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet > (Condition > > > A ) > > > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > > planet > > > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with > Merc. > > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is > also > > 2nd > > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-2 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet > (Condition > > > A ) > > > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > > planet > > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > > opposition > > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the > 2nd > > > cusp. (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-3 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > > Pisces > > > (Condition A ) > > > > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > > of > > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus > is > > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > > of > > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > > cusp > > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-4 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > > Gemini > > > (Condition A ) > > > > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > > Rahu,who > > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > > of > > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator > of > > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > > with > > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-5 > > > > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > > Sublord > > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > > dual > > > planet. (Condition A ) > > > > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator > of > > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also > is > > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with > 2nd > > > cusp. > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > > star > > > of Mercury. > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > please check bellow data: > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > (1) > > > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > (2) > > > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > 3) > > > > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > =============================================================== > > > > (4) > > > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > > 11. > > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > 5) > > > > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly > 100 > > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > > you > > > need more i will send you. > > > > > > > > hope this help > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > > > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > > Raichurji > > > > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to > satisfy > > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own > analysis? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th > > > > > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the > 7th > > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > > to > > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > > alive. > > > > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > > her husband a younger sister. > > > > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th > > > > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were > not > > > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house > for > > > > second marriage? > > > > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, > which > > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > > which > > > the > > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > > planet > > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with > 7th > > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > > keep a > > > > keep...' > > > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > > dual > > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > > this > > > an > > > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari OM Dear Kanak ji, Nameste, I am pasting below the output of A software, i use to work 4 step theory and usual identification of Significators, with two purposes, 1. Since originator of 4 step theory is a member of group, It is open for critical examination. 2. For your attention sibject to your interest and availbilty of time to explore the application of concepts in continuation of thread under discussion. ____________________________ KANAK BOSMIA (PLACE) 72E37 23N00 [COUNTRY] 21 APRIL, 2007 5:30:00 AM PANCHAMI SHUKLAPAKSHA SATURDAYCustom Ayanamsha Offset Used: Plus 0 Deg. 0 Min. 22 Sec.Original Ayanamsha in Deg Min Sec : 23 deg. 51 ' 44 ''MOST IMPORTANT PLANET-WISE SIGNIFICATORS In Their Descending Order Of Importance along with their SubsPLN : StarLord : StarLord : {In_House} Whose_Lord PLN : {In_House} Whose_LordKET : {2} 3 8 {6} Aspects 12 Sub: RahuVEN : {3} 5 {2} 3 8 Aspects 9 Sub: SaturnSUN : {6} {1} 6 Aspects 8 Sub: RahuMON : {12} 2 9 {3} 5 Aspects 9 Sub: RahuMAR : {12} {12} 2 9 Aspects 6 3 7 Sub: VenusRAH : {12} {12} Aspects 6 Sub: MarsJUP : {1} 4 7 {9} 1 10 Aspects 3 1 5 Sub: RahuSAT : {1} 4 7 {5} 11 12 Aspects 11 7 2 Sub: RahuMER : {1} 4 7 {1} 4 7 Aspects 7 Sub: MarsMAIN PLANET-WISE SIGNIFICATORS.PLN : StarLord : StarLord : {In_House} Whose_Lord PLN : {In_House} Whose_Lord Aspects This_House Sub: Sub of PLNNOTE : Whenever the Planet is in its own Star then its Sub is considered as its working StarLord.AND Similarly Whenever the Planet is in its own Star as well as in its own Sub then, its Sub-Sub is considered as its working StarLord.The house numbers in any row will be in their DECREASING ORDER of their strengths, in bringing out the effects of that respective Planet's Periods, Sub-Periods or Sub-Sub-Periods.KET : StarLord : Venus : {2} 3 8 PLN : {6} Aspects 12 Sub: RahuVEN : StarLord : Moon : {3} 5 PLN : {2} 3 8 Aspects 9 Sub: SaturnSUN : StarLord : Ketu : {6} PLN : {1} 6 Aspects 8 Sub: RahuMON : StarLord : Mars : {12} 2 9 PLN : {3} 5 Aspects 9 Sub: RahuMAR : StarLord : Rahu : {12} PLN : {12} 2 9 Aspects 6 3 7 Sub: VenusRAH : Sub : Mars : {12} 2 9 PLN : {12} Aspects 6 Sub: MarsJUP : StarLord : Mercury : {1} 4 7 PLN : {9} 1 10 Aspects 3 1 5 Sub: RahuSAT : StarLord : Mercury : {1} 4 7 PLN : {5} 11 12 Aspects 11 7 2 Sub: RahuMER : Sub : Mars : {12} 2 9 PLN : {1} 4 7 Aspects 7 Sub: MarsFOUR STEP THEORY DETAILED PLANET-WISE SIGNIFICATORS.Figures shown in the brackets are the strong significators(Balwan Karyeshes) and the rest are weaker significators(Duyyam Karyeshes).First group represents the house in which the planet is deposited and the second group represents the houses owned by the planets.PLANET : KETUItself :-------------- Ketu:- 6 Cusp Yuti: (6) Rashi-Swami Sun 1 6 Mars-Drusht 12 2 9It's N.Swami :-------- Venus:- (2) 3 (8) Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 12PLANET : VENUSItself :-------------- Venus:- 2 3 8 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht 12 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht 9 1 10It's N.Swami :-------- Moon:- (3) 5 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (5) (11) 12 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)Itself aspects :------ 9PLANET : SUNItself :-------------- Sun:- (1) 6 Saturn-Drusht (5) (11) 12It's N.Swami :-------- Ketu:- (6) Cusp Yuti: (6) Rashi-Swami Sun (1) 6 Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 8PLANET : MOONItself :-------------- Moon:- 3 5 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht 12 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht 9 1 10It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti (12) Ketu-Drusht (6) It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 9PLANET : MARSItself :-------------- Mars:- 12 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti 12 Ketu-Drusht 6 It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub :------------ Venus:- 2 3 8 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht 12 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht 9 1 10It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Moon:- (3) 5 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)Itself aspects :------ 6 3 7PLANET : RAHUItself :-------------- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub :------------ Mars:- 12 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti 12 Ketu-Drusht 6 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 6PLANET : JUPITERItself :-------------- Jupiter:- (9) 1 (10) Cusp Yuti: (9) Moon-Drusht (3) 5 Venus-Drusht (2) 3 (8)It's N.Swami :-------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 3 1 5PLANET : SATURNItself :-------------- Saturn:- (5) (11) 12 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's N.Swami :-------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 11 7 2PLANET : MERCURYItself :-------------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's N.Swami :-------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Mars:- 12 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti 12 Ketu-Drusht 6 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 7______________________________- with kind regards. OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.Srivastava------------------------ " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding." - Kanak Bosmia Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:51 PM Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK Dear Raichur ji and Tin Win ji, bellow is table of todays signification table for 5:30 AM at L.G.Hospital-Ahmedabad 23 N 00, 72 E 37, please check E (vedic aspect) and try to look for any one event for exmple Mariage check 2,7,11 significatore you found all nine planet, not for marriage check with any event. this is clearly advice us to not use aspect for signification , BUT WHEN WE ANALYSIE NODE, AS PER RULE NODE GIVE FIRST RESULT OF CONJ PLANET, SECOND ASPECTED PLANET, SO THIS IS MUST IN NODE BUT NOT IN OTHER PLANET. I dont have any software who do signification table as per 4 stap, other wise i will also attached that too.I dont know what happan with colom E in 4 stap. Regards Kanak Bosmia please select bellow chat in courier font to look properly. QUERY:SUPER EIGHT WROLD CUP WESTINDIES VS ENGLAND 21_4_2007 NAME: KANAK BOSMIA PLACE :L G HOS.-AHD GUJARAT DATE :TUESDAY E: 17 - 4 - 2007 : TIME: 5 H. 30 M. 0 S. DASA BAL. Merc 5 Y. 115 Days ENDS ON 9 8 2012 BHK. Bal. Rahu 0 Y. 130 Days: ANT. Bal. Moon 76 Days: SOOK Bal. Moon 5 Days HOR.NO : 42 : Asc.for RP 345 Deg 54 Min LORDS : Jup,Sat,Jup,Ven Planet S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :Cusp S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl SsL SUN. 1 2 44 53 Mar Ket Ven Mer :ASC 3 0 0 0 Mer Mar Mer Mer MOON 12 25 49 48 Jup Mer Rah Moo :2nd 3 24 6 33 Mer Jup Mer Mer MARS 11 14 17 38 Sat Rah Mer Sat :3rd 4 18 59 22 Moo Mer Ket Rah MERC 12 16 23 55 Jup Sat Jup Mar :4th 5 17 33 12 Sun Ven Mar Jup JUP.-R 8 25 43 9 Mar Mer Rah Ven :5th 6 20 59 52 Mer Moo Ven Moo VEN. 2 11 51 41 Ven Moo Mar Moo :6th 7 26 38 32 Ven Jup Ven Ven SAT.-R 4 24 16 59 Moo Mer Rah Rah :7th 9 0 0 0 Jup Ket Ket Ket RAHU 11 20 11 7 Sat Jup Jup Jup :8th 9 24 6 33 Jup Ven Mer Mer KETU 5 20 11 7 Sun Ven Jup Jup :9th 10 18 59 22 Sat Moo Mer Rah URAN 11 23 5 44 Sat Jup Sat Moo :10th 11 17 33 12 Sat Rah Sun Mar NEPT 10 27 47 22 Sat Mar Jup Rah :11th 12 20 59 52 Jup Mer Ven Sat FOR. 2 23 4 55 Ven Moo Sun Sat :12th 1 26 38 32 Mar Ven Ket Mer PLUT-R 9 5 0 30 Jup Ket Mar Jup CUSP KUNDALI AS PER K.P. Shows Planets,Cusps,with Rasi Sign only. For retrogression,Deg Min refer to table above. Signs intercepted BUT with no planets in them are not printed.. *-*-* | * * * * | | * * * Fo 2 * | | * * * Ve 2 * | |3rd 4 * 2nd 3 * * 12t 1 * | | Sa 4 * * Asc 3 * * | | * * | | * * * * Mo 12 Su 1| | * * * * 11t 12| | * * * * | | * * * * | | * 4th 5 * * * | * Ke 5 * Me 12 * | * * * Ur 11 Ra 11 * | | * * * 10t 11 * | | * * * * | |5th 6 * * * * | | * * * * | | * * | | * * Pl 9 * * Ma 11 Ne 10| | * 6th 7 * 7th 9 * 8th 9 * 9th 10| | * Ju 8 * * * | | * * * * | | * * * * | *-*-* ASTROLOGER:Kanakkumar.B. Bosmia:Tel:079-2543 1165: mob:9825131165 QUERIST: KANAK BOSMIA :HOR NO 42 SIGNIFICATORS OF HOUSES SIGNIFICATORS ARE SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER OF IMPORTANCE A-Planets in Star of Occupants of House: B-Planets in House C-Planets in stars of House Lord: D-House Lord: E= Planets Aspected by A,B,C,D Trad aspects BY SIGN : F=Sub Lord Check B: planets near cusps within 3deg 20m OF CUSP THEY WILL ACT ALSO AS B CORRECT IN THE TABLE, ALSO IN TABLE BELOW HOUSE A B C D E F ---- ASC | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |SU: | 2nd | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |SU: | 3rd |MER: |SAT: |VEN:FOR: |Moo|ME:JU:VE:SU|Ket | | | | |MO: | 4th |SUN:PLU: |KET: | |Sun|MA:RA: |Mar | | | | | | 5th | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven | | | | |SU: | 6th |RAH:URA: |JUP: |KET: |Ven|JU:MA:RA:MO|Ven | | | | |ME:VE:SA:KE| 7th | |PLU: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ket | | | | |MA:KE: | 8th | | |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |MA:KE: | 9th |NEP: |MAR:NEP: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:VE:RA|Mer | | | | |KE:SA: | 10th |MOO:JUP:SAT:MAR|MER:RAH:URA: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:ME:VE|Sun | | | | |SA:MA:KE:RA| 11th |VEN:FOR: |SUN:MOO: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven | | | | |MA:KE:JU: | 12th |KET: |VEN:FOR: |NEP: |Mar|VE:RA:KE:SA|Ket | | | | |JU:MA: | ----tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,Hindu aspects are okay but not Western aspects without knowing how to reconcile with KP principles.Thanks and regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Kanak, TIN WIN> In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected.> > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Kanak, > > It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but > nothing useful.> > As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and > there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used > only Hindu aspects. > > Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the > result will bethe stronger.> > How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can > overrule the signification by occupation and lordship?> > How can transit results can overrule the dasa results?> > How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets > enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana?> > Regards,> > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji,> > > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12.> > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon ".... conjoined with 4th > and 5th lord, ..." now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat > 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. > another in 11th line "....ven aspecting moon...." Moon is 5 Deg. and > Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect?> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > Kanakji,> > > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. > Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as > I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti > effect according to the relative position of planets as per western > aspect and not transit.> > > > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM> > > > Cc: Tin Win> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th:aspects used by KSK> > > > Dear sri Raichur ji,> > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that.> > > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > am waiting for his reply.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> > > > Dear Kanak> > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"> > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote:> > > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > intrested to know about it.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > Kanakji> > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > western aspect.> > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the > other readers.> > > > ReaderV> > > > p-lii> > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK> > > > "Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc"> > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect.> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM> > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis> > > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in > readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data > with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you > mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you > write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask > about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, > if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data > which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native > married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after > your reply on another data.> > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time.> > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > new 5 data.> > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am > much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont > worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all > rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, > that is 100%, we have check this too.> > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my > work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check > with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention > in my message 10245.> > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry > about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > educative exercises.> > > > > > with best regards> > > > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji> > > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > per your mail , Message #10245> > > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > situation)> > > > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now.> > > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > Asc , Moon values matches with your data.> > > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for > my own satisfaction.> > > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245)> > > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs > also.> > > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by > you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I > am out of the town till Sunday.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM> > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis> > > > > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > > > > > thanks for analysis,> > > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result.> > > > > > > > Please check this:> > > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146> > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > SECON MARRIAGE.....> > > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > refernce where writen)> > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > this rules.> > > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by > you in first mail. > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case -2> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case-3:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case no:4> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case no:5:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart > and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate.> > > > > > > > 1)> > > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > > > 2)> > > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > > > 3)> > > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > > > 4)> > > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > > > 5)> > > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > group.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji,> > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.> > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.> > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > confirmation.I > > need your help in this regard.> > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:> > > > The following conditions to be satisfied :> > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > Mercury/Jupiter.> > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > > houser 2 or 11 or both.> > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > of > > either 7 or 11> > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.> > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules.> > > > Case-1> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A )> > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > planet > > in Mercury star. (Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also > 2nd > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-2> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A )> > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > planet > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > opposition > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > > cusp. (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-3> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > Pisces > > (Condition A )> > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > of > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > of > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > cusp > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-4> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > Gemini > > (Condition A )> > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > Rahu,who > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > of > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > with > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-5> > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > Sublord > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > dual > > planet. (Condition A )> > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > > cusp.> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > star > > of Mercury.> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > > > please check bellow data:> > > > > ===================================================================> > > (1)> > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > > > > ==================================================================> > > (2)> > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > marriage. > > > > > > =====================================================================> > > 3)> > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > ===============================================================> > > (4)> > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > 11.> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > ==================================================================> > > 5)> > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > Not indicate multiple marraige.> > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> > > ================================================================> > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > you > > need more i will send you.> > > > > > hope this help> > > > > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url> > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > Raichurji> > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > > > Dear Ghosh> > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > to > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Raichurji> > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > alive.> > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > second wife, by law is like a keep.> > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > her husband a younger sister.> > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > 9th cusp is more logical.> > > > > > Your valued opinion please.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > > prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > > second marriage?> > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > which > > the > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > planet > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > keep a > > > keep...'> > > P146,ReaderIV> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ravi ji,> > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > dual > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > this > > an> > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Dear srivastava ji, thanks much regards Kanak Bosmiaswami <swami_rcs wrote: II Om Gurave Namah IIHari OM Dear Kanak ji, Nameste, I am pasting below the output of A software, i use to work 4 step theory and usual identification of Significators, with two purposes, 1. Since originator of 4 step theory is a member of group, It is open for critical examination. 2. For your attention sibject to your interest and availbilty of time to explore the application of concepts in continuation of thread under discussion. ____________________________ KANAK BOSMIA (PLACE) 72E37 23N00 [COUNTRY] 21 APRIL, 2007 5:30:00 AM PANCHAMI SHUKLAPAKSHA SATURDAYCustom Ayanamsha Offset Used: Plus 0 Deg. 0 Min. 22 Sec.Original Ayanamsha in Deg Min Sec : 23 deg. 51 ' 44 ''MOST IMPORTANT PLANET-WISE SIGNIFICATORS In Their Descending Order Of Importance along with their SubsPLN : StarLord : StarLord : {In_House} Whose_Lord PLN : {In_House} Whose_LordKET : {2} 3 8 {6} Aspects 12 Sub: RahuVEN : {3} 5 {2} 3 8 Aspects 9 Sub: SaturnSUN : {6} {1} 6 Aspects 8 Sub: RahuMON : {12} 2 9 {3} 5 Aspects 9 Sub: RahuMAR : {12} {12} 2 9 Aspects 6 3 7 Sub: VenusRAH : {12} {12} Aspects 6 Sub: MarsJUP : {1} 4 7 {9} 1 10 Aspects 3 1 5 Sub: RahuSAT : {1} 4 7 {5} 11 12 Aspects 11 7 2 Sub: RahuMER : {1} 4 7 {1} 4 7 Aspects 7 Sub: MarsMAIN PLANET-WISE SIGNIFICATORS.PLN : StarLord : StarLord : {In_House} Whose_Lord PLN : {In_House} Whose_Lord Aspects This_House Sub: Sub of PLNNOTE : Whenever the Planet is in its own Star then its Sub is considered as its working StarLord.AND Similarly Whenever the Planet is in its own Star as well as in its own Sub then, its Sub-Sub is considered as its working StarLord.The house numbers in any row will be in their DECREASING ORDER of their strengths, in bringing out the effects of that respective Planet's Periods, Sub-Periods or Sub-Sub-Periods.KET : StarLord : Venus : {2} 3 8 PLN : {6} Aspects 12 Sub: RahuVEN : StarLord : Moon : {3} 5 PLN : {2} 3 8 Aspects 9 Sub: SaturnSUN : StarLord : Ketu : {6} PLN : {1} 6 Aspects 8 Sub: RahuMON : StarLord : Mars : {12} 2 9 PLN : {3} 5 Aspects 9 Sub: RahuMAR : StarLord : Rahu : {12} PLN : {12} 2 9 Aspects 6 3 7 Sub: VenusRAH : Sub : Mars : {12} 2 9 PLN : {12} Aspects 6 Sub: MarsJUP : StarLord : Mercury : {1} 4 7 PLN : {9} 1 10 Aspects 3 1 5 Sub: RahuSAT : StarLord : Mercury : {1} 4 7 PLN : {5} 11 12 Aspects 11 7 2 Sub: RahuMER : Sub : Mars : {12} 2 9 PLN : {1} 4 7 Aspects 7 Sub: MarsFOUR STEP THEORY DETAILED PLANET-WISE SIGNIFICATORS.Figures shown in the brackets are the strong significators(Balwan Karyeshes) and the rest are weaker significators(Duyyam Karyeshes).First group represents the house in which the planet is deposited and the second group represents the houses owned by the planets.PLANET : KETUItself :-------------- Ketu:- 6 Cusp Yuti: (6) Rashi-Swami Sun 1 6 Mars-Drusht 12 2 9It's N.Swami :-------- Venus:- (2) 3 (8) Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 12PLANET : VENUSItself :-------------- Venus:- 2 3 8 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht 12 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht 9 1 10It's N.Swami :-------- Moon:- (3) 5 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Saturn:- (5) (11) 12 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)Itself aspects :------ 9PLANET : SUNItself :-------------- Sun:- (1) 6 Saturn-Drusht (5) (11) 12It's N.Swami :-------- Ketu:- (6) Cusp Yuti: (6) Rashi-Swami Sun (1) 6 Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 8PLANET : MOONItself :-------------- Moon:- 3 5 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht 12 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht 9 1 10It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (12) 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti (12) Ketu-Drusht (6) It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 9PLANET : MARSItself :-------------- Mars:- 12 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti 12 Ketu-Drusht 6 It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub :------------ Venus:- 2 3 8 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht 12 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht 9 1 10It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Moon:- (3) 5 Cusp Yuti: (3) Mars-Drusht (12) 2 9 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)Itself aspects :------ 6 3 7PLANET : RAHUItself :-------------- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's N.Swami :-------- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub :------------ Mars:- 12 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti 12 Ketu-Drusht 6 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 6PLANET : JUPITERItself :-------------- Jupiter:- (9) 1 (10) Cusp Yuti: (9) Moon-Drusht (3) 5 Venus-Drusht (2) 3 (8)It's N.Swami :-------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 3 1 5PLANET : SATURNItself :-------------- Saturn:- (5) (11) 12 Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's N.Swami :-------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 11 7 2PLANET : MERCURYItself :-------------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's N.Swami :-------- Mercury:- (1) (4) (7) Cusp Yuti: (1) Jupiter-Drusht (9) 1 (10)It's Sub :------------ Mars:- 12 2 9 Cusp Yuti: (12) Rahu-Yuti 12 Ketu-Drusht 6 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Rahu:- (12) Cusp Yuti: (12) Rashi-Swami Saturn (5) (11) 12 Mars-Yuti (12) 2 9Itself aspects :------ 7______________________________- with kind regards. OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.Srivastava------------------------ " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding." - Kanak Bosmia Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:51 PM Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th:aspects used by KSK Dear Raichur ji and Tin Win ji, bellow is table of todays signification table for 5:30 AM at L.G.Hospital-Ahmedabad 23 N 00, 72 E 37, please check E (vedic aspect) and try to look for any one event for exmple Mariage check 2,7,11 significatore you found all nine planet, not for marriage check with any event. this is clearly advice us to not use aspect for signification , BUT WHEN WE ANALYSIE NODE, AS PER RULE NODE GIVE FIRST RESULT OF CONJ PLANET, SECOND ASPECTED PLANET, SO THIS IS MUST IN NODE BUT NOT IN OTHER PLANET. I dont have any software who do signification table as per 4 stap, other wise i will also attached that too.I dont know what happan with colom E in 4 stap. Regards Kanak Bosmia please select bellow chat in courier font to look properly. QUERY:SUPER EIGHT WROLD CUP WESTINDIES VS ENGLAND 21_4_2007 NAME: KANAK BOSMIA PLACE :L G HOS.-AHD GUJARAT DATE :TUESDAY E: 17 - 4 - 2007 : TIME: 5 H. 30 M. 0 S. DASA BAL. Merc 5 Y. 115 Days ENDS ON 9 8 2012 BHK. Bal. Rahu 0 Y. 130 Days: ANT. Bal. Moon 76 Days: SOOK Bal. Moon 5 Days HOR.NO : 42 : Asc.for RP 345 Deg 54 Min LORDS : Jup,Sat,Jup,Ven Planet S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :Cusp S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl SsL SUN. 1 2 44 53 Mar Ket Ven Mer :ASC 3 0 0 0 Mer Mar Mer Mer MOON 12 25 49 48 Jup Mer Rah Moo :2nd 3 24 6 33 Mer Jup Mer Mer MARS 11 14 17 38 Sat Rah Mer Sat :3rd 4 18 59 22 Moo Mer Ket Rah MERC 12 16 23 55 Jup Sat Jup Mar :4th 5 17 33 12 Sun Ven Mar Jup JUP.-R 8 25 43 9 Mar Mer Rah Ven :5th 6 20 59 52 Mer Moo Ven Moo VEN. 2 11 51 41 Ven Moo Mar Moo :6th 7 26 38 32 Ven Jup Ven Ven SAT.-R 4 24 16 59 Moo Mer Rah Rah :7th 9 0 0 0 Jup Ket Ket Ket RAHU 11 20 11 7 Sat Jup Jup Jup :8th 9 24 6 33 Jup Ven Mer Mer KETU 5 20 11 7 Sun Ven Jup Jup :9th 10 18 59 22 Sat Moo Mer Rah URAN 11 23 5 44 Sat Jup Sat Moo :10th 11 17 33 12 Sat Rah Sun Mar NEPT 10 27 47 22 Sat Mar Jup Rah :11th 12 20 59 52 Jup Mer Ven Sat FOR. 2 23 4 55 Ven Moo Sun Sat :12th 1 26 38 32 Mar Ven Ket Mer PLUT-R 9 5 0 30 Jup Ket Mar Jup CUSP KUNDALI AS PER K.P. Shows Planets,Cusps,with Rasi Sign only. For retrogression,Deg Min refer to table above. Signs intercepted BUT with no planets in them are not printed.. *-*-* | * * * * | | * * * Fo 2 * | | * * * Ve 2 * | |3rd 4 * 2nd 3 * * 12t 1 * | | Sa 4 * * Asc 3 * * | | * * | | * * * * Mo 12 Su 1| | * * * * 11t 12| | * * * * | | * * * * | | * 4th 5 * * * | * Ke 5 * Me 12 * | * * * Ur 11 Ra 11 * | | * * * 10t 11 * | | * * * * | |5th 6 * * * * | | * * * * | | * * | | * * Pl 9 * * Ma 11 Ne 10| | * 6th 7 * 7th 9 * 8th 9 * 9th 10| | * Ju 8 * * * | | * * * * | | * * * * | *-*-* ASTROLOGER:Kanakkumar.B. Bosmia:Tel:079-2543 1165: mob:9825131165 QUERIST: KANAK BOSMIA :HOR NO 42 SIGNIFICATORS OF HOUSES SIGNIFICATORS ARE SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER OF IMPORTANCE A-Planets in Star of Occupants of House: B-Planets in House C-Planets in stars of House Lord: D-House Lord: E= Planets Aspected by A,B,C,D Trad aspects BY SIGN : F=Sub Lord Check B: planets near cusps within 3deg 20m OF CUSP THEY WILL ACT ALSO AS B CORRECT IN THE TABLE, ALSO IN TABLE BELOW HOUSE A B C D E F ---- ASC | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |SU: | 2nd | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |SU: | 3rd |MER: |SAT: |VEN:FOR: |Moo|ME:JU:VE:SU|Ket | | | | |MO: | 4th |SUN:PLU: |KET: | |Sun|MA:RA: |Mar | | | | | | 5th | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven | | | | |SU: | 6th |RAH:URA: |JUP: |KET: |Ven|JU:MA:RA:MO|Ven | | | | |ME:VE:SA:KE| 7th | |PLU: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ket | | | | |MA:KE: | 8th | | |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer | | | | |MA:KE: | 9th |NEP: |MAR:NEP: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:VE:RA|Mer | | | | |KE:SA: | 10th |MOO:JUP:SAT:MAR|MER:RAH:URA: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:ME:VE|Sun | | | | |SA:MA:KE:RA| 11th |VEN:FOR: |SUN:MOO: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven | | | | |MA:KE:JU: | 12th |KET: |VEN:FOR: |NEP: |Mar|VE:RA:KE:SA|Ket | | | | |JU:MA: | ----tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,Hindu aspects are okay but not Western aspects without knowing how to reconcile with KP principles.Thanks and regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Kanak, TIN WIN> In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected.> > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Kanak, > > It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but > nothing useful.> > As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here and > there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used > only Hindu aspects. > > Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the > result will bethe stronger.> > How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can > overrule the signification by occupation and lordship?> > How can transit results can overrule the dasa results?> > How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets > enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana?> > Regards,> > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji,> > > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12.> > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon ".... conjoined with 4th > and 5th lord, ..." now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat > 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in conjuction. > another in 11th line "....ven aspecting moon...." Moon is 5 Deg. and > Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect?> > > > regards> > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > Kanakji,> > > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. > Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far as > I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti > effect according to the relative position of planets as per western > aspect and not transit.> > > > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM> > > > Cc: Tin Win> > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th:aspects used by KSK> > > > Dear sri Raichur ji,> > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri KSK > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not writen > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that.> > > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > am waiting for his reply.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> > > > Dear Kanak> > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > modified by KSK. Opp this page is "Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains"> > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote:> > > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check it. > > > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > intrested to know about it.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > Kanakji> > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > western aspect.> > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the > other readers.> > > > ReaderV> > > > p-lii> > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK> > > > "Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc"> > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect.> > > > Regards> > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM> > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis> > > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in > readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data > with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you > mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if you > write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask > about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, > if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many data > which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native > married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more after > your reply on another data.> > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time.> > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > new 5 data.> > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am > much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont > worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use all > rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, > that is 100%, we have check this too.> > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my > work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check > with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is mention > in my message 10245.> > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry > about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > educative exercises.> > > > > > with best regards> > > > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji> > > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > per your mail , Message #10245> > > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > situation)> > > > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now.> > > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > Asc , Moon values matches with your data.> > > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for > my own satisfaction.> > > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245)> > > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs > also.> > > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by > you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as I > am out of the town till Sunday.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia> > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM> > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th: > My analysis> > > > > > Dear suprakash ji,> > > > > > > > thanks for analysis,> > > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result.> > > > > > > > Please check this:> > > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146> > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > SECON MARRIAGE.....> > > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > refernce where writen)> > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > this rules.> > > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give by > you in first mail. > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case -2> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case-3:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case no:4> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > Case no:5:> > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE.> > > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart > and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate.> > > > > > > > 1)> > > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > > > 2)> > > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > > > 3)> > > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > > > 4)> > > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > > > 5)> > > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > group.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji,> > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis.> > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji.> > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > confirmation.I > > need your help in this regard.> > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said by > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before:> > > > The following conditions to be satisfied :> > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > Mercury/Jupiter.> > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator of > > houser 2 or 11 or both.> > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > of > > either 7 or 11> > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously.> > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules.> > > > Case-1> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A )> > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > planet > > in Mercury star. (Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with Merc. > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is also > 2nd > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-2> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet (Condition > > A )> > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > planet > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > opposition > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the 2nd > > cusp. (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-3> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > Pisces > > (Condition A )> > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > of > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus is > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > of > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > cusp > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-4> > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > Gemini > > (Condition A )> > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > Rahu,who > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B )> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > of > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator of > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > with > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C )> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > Case-5> > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > Sublord > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > dual > > planet. (Condition A )> > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator of > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also is > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with 2nd > > cusp.> > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > star > > of Mercury.> > > > All the conditions satisfied.> > > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > > > > > please check bellow data:> > > > > ===================================================================> > > (1)> > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own.> > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1,> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN.> > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > > > > ==================================================================> > > (2)> > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO.> > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9.> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN.> > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > marriage. > > > > > > =====================================================================> > > 3)> > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA> > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five> > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER.> > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6.> > > Not indicate multiple marriage.> > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET.> > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER.> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > ===============================================================> > > (4)> > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA> > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine> > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own.> > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage.> > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET.> > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > 11.> > > Indicate multiple marriage.> > > > ==================================================================> > > 5)> > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12> > > Heading / Item Notes> > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine> > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH.> > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > Not indicate multiple marraige.> > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH.> > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER.> > > ================================================================> > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly 100 > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > you > > need more i will send you.> > > > > > hope this help> > > > > > regards> > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url> > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > Raichurji> > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives-> > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister> > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to satisfy > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work.> > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own analysis?> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM> > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > > > Dear Ghosh> > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the 7th > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > to > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > good luck> > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Raichurji> > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > alive.> > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > second wife, by law is like a keep.> > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > her husband a younger sister.> > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage.> > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > 9th cusp is more logical.> > > > > > Your valued opinion please.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM> > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of 7th> > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were not > > prohibited in Hindoo Society.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house for > > > second marriage?> > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, which > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only.> > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > which > > the > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > planet > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV> > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with 7th > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > keep a > > > keep...'> > > P146,ReaderIV> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Suprakash> > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ravi ji,> > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > dual > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Kanak Bosmia> > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > this > > an> > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 dear kanak, sorry to rake up the issue of vedic aspects in kp. in my life time Ibought 4 cars.The dasas were jup-mars-sat,sat-mer-sat,and sat-mars-sat periods.Mars is in 6th house,l/o 12,1,5 .It signifies 9th house by aspect alone.Therefore, its not wise to ignore vedic aspects. > > this is clearly advice us to not use aspect for signification , BUT WHEN WE ANALYSIE NODE, AS PER RULE NODE GIVE FIRST RESULT OF CONJ PLANET, SECOND ASPECTED PLANET, SO THIS IS MUST IN NODE BUT NOT IN OTHER PLANET. > I dont have any software who do signification table as per 4 stap, other wise i will also attached that too.I dont know what happan with colom E in 4 stap. > > Regards > Kanak Bosmia > > please select bellow chat in courier font to look properly. > > QUERY:SUPER EIGHT WROLD CUP WESTINDIES VS ENGLAND 21_4_2007 > NAME: KANAK BOSMIA PLACE :L G HOS.-AHD GUJARAT > DATE :TUESDAY E: 17 - 4 - 2007 : TIME: 5 H. 30 M. 0 S. > DASA BAL. Merc 5 Y. 115 Days ENDS ON 9 8 2012 > BHK. Bal. Rahu 0 Y. 130 Days: ANT. Bal. Moon 76 Days: > SOOK Bal. Moon 5 Days > HOR.NO : 42 : Asc.for RP 345 Deg 54 Min LORDS : Jup,Sat,Jup,Ven > Planet S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :Cusp S D M se Sgl Stl Sbl SsL > SUN. 1 2 44 53 Mar Ket Ven Mer :ASC 3 0 0 0 Mer Mar Mer Mer > MOON 12 25 49 48 Jup Mer Rah Moo :2nd 3 24 6 33 Mer Jup Mer Mer > MARS 11 14 17 38 Sat Rah Mer Sat :3rd 4 18 59 22 Moo Mer Ket Rah > MERC 12 16 23 55 Jup Sat Jup Mar :4th 5 17 33 12 Sun Ven Mar Jup > JUP.-R 8 25 43 9 Mar Mer Rah Ven :5th 6 20 59 52 Mer Moo Ven Moo > VEN. 2 11 51 41 Ven Moo Mar Moo :6th 7 26 38 32 Ven Jup Ven Ven > SAT.-R 4 24 16 59 Moo Mer Rah Rah :7th 9 0 0 0 Jup Ket Ket Ket > RAHU 11 20 11 7 Sat Jup Jup Jup :8th 9 24 6 33 Jup Ven Mer Mer > KETU 5 20 11 7 Sun Ven Jup Jup :9th 10 18 59 22 Sat Moo Mer Rah > URAN 11 23 5 44 Sat Jup Sat Moo :10th 11 17 33 12 Sat Rah Sun Mar > NEPT 10 27 47 22 Sat Mar Jup Rah :11th 12 20 59 52 Jup Mer Ven Sat > FOR. 2 23 4 55 Ven Moo Sun Sat :12th 1 26 38 32 Mar Ven Ket Mer > PLUT-R 9 5 0 30 Jup Ket Mar Jup > CUSP KUNDALI AS PER K.P. > Shows Planets,Cusps,with Rasi Sign only. For retrogression,Deg > Min refer to table above. Signs intercepted BUT with no planets > in them are not printed.. > *-*-* > | * * * * | > | * * * Fo 2 * | > | * * * Ve 2 * | > |3rd 4 * 2nd 3 * * 12t 1 * | > | Sa 4 * * Asc 3 * * | > | * * | > | * * * * Mo 12 Su 1| > | * * * * 11t 12| > | * * * * | > | * * * * | > | * 4th 5 * * * | > * Ke 5 * Me 12 * > | * * * Ur 11 Ra 11 * | > | * * * 10t 11 * | > | * * * * | > |5th 6 * * * * | > | * * * * | > | * * | > | * * Pl 9 * * Ma 11 Ne 10| > | * 6th 7 * 7th 9 * 8th 9 * 9th 10| > | * Ju 8 * * * | > | * * * * | > | * * * * | > *-*-* > > ASTROLOGER:Kanakkumar.B. Bosmia:Tel:079-2543 1165: mob:9825131165 > QUERIST: KANAK BOSMIA :HOR NO 42 > SIGNIFICATORS OF HOUSES > SIGNIFICATORS ARE SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER OF IMPORTANCE > A-Planets in Star of Occupants of House: B-Planets in House > C-Planets in stars of House Lord: D-House Lord: E= Planets > Aspected by A,B,C,D Trad aspects BY SIGN : F=Sub Lord > Check B: planets near cusps within 3deg 20m OF CUSP THEY WILL ACT ALSO AS B > CORRECT IN THE TABLE, ALSO IN TABLE BELOW > HOUSE A B C D E F > ---- > ASC | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer > | | | | |SU: | > 2nd | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer > | | | | |SU: | > 3rd |MER: |SAT: |VEN:FOR: |Moo|ME:JU:VE:SU|Ket > | | | | |MO: | > 4th |SUN:PLU: |KET: | |Sun|MA:RA: |Mar > | | | | | | > 5th | | |MOO:JUP:SAT|Mer|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven > | | | | |SU: | > 6th |RAH:URA: |JUP: |KET: |Ven|JU:MA:RA:MO|Ven > | | | | |ME:VE:SA:KE| > 7th | |PLU: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ket > | | | | |MA:KE: | > 8th | | |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Mer > | | | | |MA:KE: | > 9th |NEP: |MAR:NEP: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:VE:RA|Mer > | | | | |KE:SA: | > 10th |MOO:JUP:SAT:MAR|MER:RAH:URA: |MER: |Sat|SU:MO:ME:VE|Sun > | | | | |SA:MA:KE:RA| > 11th |VEN:FOR: |SUN:MOO: |RAH:URA: |Jup|MO:ME:VE:SA|Ven > | | | | |MA:KE:JU: | > 12th |KET: |VEN:FOR: |NEP: |Mar|VE:RA:KE:SA|Ket > | | | | |JU:MA: | > ---- > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Sri Raichur, > > Hindu aspects are okay but not Western aspects without knowing how > to reconcile with KP principles. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kanak, TIN WIN > > In 4 step method the Hindu Aspects are made use of, but with an > orb of only 3 deg 20 min. Many times, the normal significators seem > not to give any positive answer, In such cases the Aspects come in > handy to solve the problem. They should not be neglected. > > > > > > tw853 <tw853@> wrote: > > Dear Kanak, > > > > It's closer to the so-called vigitile aspect (applying 16-18) but > > nothing useful. > > > > As mentioned before such a few touching of Western aspects here > and > > there is not useful in KP analysis and Guruji KSK practically used > > only Hindu aspects. > > > > Only one thing will be useful that the closer the aspect is, the > > result will bethe stronger. > > > > How can good or bad aspects depending on the type aspects can > > overrule the signification by occupation and lordship? > > > > How can transit results can overrule the dasa results? > > > > How will be the difference in timing since the transiting planets > > enter to houses concerned in sayana zodiac than nirayana? > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tin Win ji and Suprakash ji, > > > > > > this same article published in KP & Astrology 1996 page no 12. > > > on page no:13 third pera aboput moon " .... conjoined with 4th > > and 5th lord, ... " now Moon is 5 Deg and 4th and 5th Lord is Sat > > 16Ged.45 Sec. and as per western aspect they are not in > conjuction. > > another in 11th line " ....ven aspecting moon.... " Moon is 5 Deg. > and > > Ven is 21Deg 25 sec. is it ok as engla of Western aspect? > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > Kanakji, > > > > > > I'm out of my home right now and I don't have the book with me. > > Please read the paragraph I've quoted. I may be wrong but as far > as > > I can remember, it appears that KSK is talking about Dasa Bhukti > > effect according to the relative position of planets as per > western > > aspect and not transit. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > > Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:03 PM > > > > > > Cc: Tin Win > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > > 7th:aspects used by KSK > > > > > > Dear sri Raichur ji, > > > > > > Yes in my next mail i mention about ( page no is 256)it but it > > was about transit result not for natal or horary chart.may be i am > > wrong but i think there is not exmple with western aspect by Sri > KSK > > ji him self. there are many articles in reader which are not > writen > > by sri KSK ji so we dont consider that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win ji will give us perfect answer of this question, and i > > am waiting for his reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kanak > > > > > > I found it in the 1992 edition. The subsject is Western Method > > modified by KSK. Opp this page is " Sade-Sati-Satisfactory Gains " > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not able to find out page lii in reader 5th, I have 9th > > edotion of 2004. please mention agin page number, so i can check > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > please try to find out other exmple if you dont mind.i am very > > intrested to know about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > Kanakji > > > > > > > > > > > > You were asking for one exmple givan by sri KSK ji with useing > > western aspect. > > > > > > I've found one in Reader V and I have not yet searched the > > other readers. > > > > > > ReaderV > > > > > > p-lii > > > > > > Topic : western system amended by KSK > > > > > > " Rahu is in 12 to Venus and it forms (45Deg) semi angular > > aspect . Venus Moon and Rahu are forming quincunx aspect…..etc etc " > > > > > > I'll let you know if I can find more such cases using aspect. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM > > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th: > > My analysis > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > > 1) you are right first we do work on what written in > > readers, then we need for add modification and re check all data > > with considering JUP as dual planet and do all work again,In you > > mail you have mention that rules given by KSK ji so i ask you if > you > > write about what i given in my message i know that and i never ask > > about it.this is the second work on multimarriage when we add JUP, > > if i know that you are work on this rules i will give you many > data > > which are not indicate multimarriage as per this rules even native > > married second to nine marriage. any way we will discuss more > after > > your reply on another data. > > > > > > > > > 2) OK i will Wait for you reply when you have time. > > > > > > > > > 3) OK that's good, but please mention Asc and Moon value in > > new 5 data. > > > > > > > > > 4) I am not feel that you contradict on my work but i am > > much happy some one look at my work and try to check it.and dont > > worry about any number of question on this work, but if you use > all > > rules you will found each and every chart with multiple marriage, > > that is 100%, we have check this too. > > > > > > > > > 5) in message 10245 my meaning is ( I also mention in my > > work) that no one rules individually not work so we have to check > > with at list three rules and most affective rules i found is > mention > > in my message 10245. > > > > > > > > > i am waiting fro your reply on new data, and dont worry > > about time, reply when you have time.I considering this as a good > > educative exercises. > > > > > > > > > with best regards > > > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > > > > 1)The rules I have mentioned is not from books, they are as > > per your mail , Message #10245 > > > > > > > > > I have just made the rules more difficult by > > considering simultaneous occurance. (as per you, it was either/or > > situation) > > > > > > > > > 2) Interesting point…. Can't tell you right now. > > > > > > > > > 3) All the charts have been done in KP astro and > > Asc , Moon values matches with your data. > > > > > > > > > 4) I am not contradicting your findings. .I'm just examining > > the validity of the rules laid down by KSK. You can question the > > need of it when the job has already been done by you…but it is for > > my own satisfaction. > > > > > > > > > 5) With reference to your reply in Sujataji's case, You > > yourself has admitted the importance of taking Jup along with Merc > > for 7th cusp checking.( Message #10245) > > > > > > > > > Jupitar, is the owner of Sagg and Pieces, two dual signs > > also. > > > > > > > > > I'll definitely try to analyse the next 5 cases given by > > you , but afraid I won't be able to get back before next Monday as > I > > am out of the town till Sunday. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kanak Bosmia > > > Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:51 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th: > > My analysis > > > > > > > > > Dear suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for analysis, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Please give refernace in which book rules mention which > > is consider by you. and after your mail i will reply in detiles > > about you work. 2) give me any exmple givan by sri KSK ji with > > useing western aspect. I need only one exmple no more. 3) give Asc > > and Moon value for all 5 case to tally with my Asc and Mon > > position.4) if you want to analys with what all givan in reader > > there is a bout 5 deffernt rules and if you tally with all five > > rules you will found each and evry chart with multiple marriage, i > > have done this first and then try to find out some comman from > > all.not this but even in singla marriage data you will found same > > multiple marriage, after all excercies we found that if we check > > with 9th SL result give maximam correct result. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please check this: > > > > > > > > > > > > (2)TREADER-4 PAGE NO: 146 > > > IF THE SUBLORD OF THE SECOND CUSP IS CONNECTED WITH 7TH HOUSE, > > SECON MARRIAGE..... > > > > > > > > > > > > (A. MER is Dual Planet. B.Mithun,Dhan and Meen are Dual > > Rasi.not mention no smae page but if you need i will give you > > refernce where writen) > > > there is no other condition givan in this rule but you have add > > some more from other rules. I have send you analysis base only on > > this rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)conected with Mer but not signifes 7 so not indicate > > multiple marriage. youn have modifes rule as Condition C : The > > sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator of either 7 or 11in > > this page clearly mention that is conected with 11 attachment and > > friendship please check. and i have send you some case specialy > > indicate about rules givan in reader-4 page no: 146 which is give > by > > you in first mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case -2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case-3: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case no:4 > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case no:5: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not conected with 7 NO MULTIPLE MARRIAGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > now befor you give me reply please check more five chart > > and give you reply, in which condition multiple marriage indicate. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25/12/1936 11:20 GMT London, England > > > 51 30 N 0 10 W England > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > > > > > 19/10/1922 22:18 PST Long Beach, CA > > > 33 47 N 118 11 W USA > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > > > > > > > 13/04/1917 5:00 CST Chicago, IL > > > 41 51 N 87 39 W USA > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > > > > > > 05/08/1930 0:31 EST Washington, OH > > > 40 34 N 84 12 W USA > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > > > > > > 06/02/1903 23:54 LMT Chillan, Chile > > > 36 36 S 72 7 W Chile > > > > > > > > > > > > After a long time there is a aducative discuusion start in > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kanakji, > > > > > > Thanks for the Cases you have given for analysis. > > > > > > The charts exactly satisfies the dictum of our Guruji. > > > > > > If requird I can analyse some more charts for further > > confirmation.I > > > need your help in this regard. > > > > > > First of all I want to state the rules for 2nd marriage as said > by > > > Krishnamurtiji and also discussed in this forum before: > > > > > > The following conditions to be satisfied : > > > > > > Condition A : The sublord of the 7nd cusp or its starlord is > > > deposited in a dual sign or sublord of the 7nd cusp is > > > Mercury/Jupiter. > > > > > > Condition B: The sublord of the 7nd cusp is also a significator > of > > > houser 2 or 11 or both. > > > > > > Condition C : The sublord of the 2nd cusp is also a significator > > of > > > either 7 or 11 > > > > > > All the three conditions to be satisfied simultaneously. > > > > > > Now let us review the cases under these rules. > > > > > > Case-1 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet > (Condition > > > A ) > > > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 2nd lord and no > > planet > > > in Mercury star. (Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu conjoined with > Merc. > > > hence represents Merc, cuspal star & sublord of 7th .Rahu is > also > > 2nd > > > & 11 th cusp star lord. (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-2 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Mercury a dual planet > (Condition > > > A ) > > > > > > ii)Mercury signifies 2nd house as Mercury is 11th lord and no > > planet > > > in 11th. Also Mercury is star lord of the 2nd cusp & have > > opposition > > > aspect with 7th cusp(Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Rahu. Rahu in the star of > > > Merc,lord of 11 and sublord of 7th.Mercury is star lord of the > 2nd > > > cusp. (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-3 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus, posited in a dual sign > > Pisces > > > (Condition A ) > > > > > > ii)Venus posited in 2nd house and is in ths star of Saturn, lord > > of > > > 2nd. Venus also forms a sqare aspect with Mars, 11th lord.Venus > is > > > also in the sub of Merc, the 11th cusp star lord.(Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn. Saturn is in the star > > of > > > Sun, the 11th cusp sublord.Saturn forms sextile aspect with 7th > > cusp > > > and semi sextile aspect with 11th lord Mars (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-4 > > > > > > i)The sublord of the 7nd cusp is Venus posited in a dual sign > > Gemini > > > (Condition A ) > > > > > > ii)Venus is the strong significator of 11th being in star of > > Rahu,who > > > is in 11.Rahu also reprenents 2nd hose as he is in the star of > > > Saturn , lord of 2nd.(Condition B ) > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Saturn.Saturn is the starlord > > of > > > 11th cusp,forms Square aspect with Mars,strongest significator > of > > > 11th and posited in sign of Mars.Saturn also forms Square aspect > > with > > > Jupiter,posited in 7th (No planet in Jupiter star) (Condition C ) > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > Case-5 > > > > > > i)The star lord of 7th cusp,Ketu is in a dual sign Piesces. > > Sublord > > > of the 7nd cusp is Venus. Venus is in the star of Jupiter a dual > > > planet.Moreover, the sub sub lord of the 7th cusp is mercury, a > > dual > > > planet. (Condition A ) > > > > > > ii) Sublord of the 7nd cusp Venus.Venus is strong significator > of > > > 11th cusp being in the star of Jup,posited in 11th.Jupiter also > is > > > the star lord off 2nd cusp.Venus also have a Trine aspect with > 2nd > > > cusp. > > > > > > iii)The sublord of the 2nd cusp is Mercury.Mercury is 11th cusp > > > sublord. Also have semi sextile aspect with Ketu & Sun, strong > > > significator of 11th house and 7th house .No planets are in the > > star > > > of Mercury. > > > > > > All the conditions satisfied. > > > > > > -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suprakash ji, > > > > > > > > please check bellow data: > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > (1) > > > > 17/04/1911 7:15 GMT Angers, France > > > > 47 28 N 0 33 W France Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc. 17 TA 30.29 MOON: 14 Sc 38.24 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Four > > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of VEN and sub of Own. > > > > RAH is in 12,RAH conj with SUN,SAT,MER:SUN is in 12 l/o > > > 5,SAT is in 12 > > > > l/o 10,11. MER is in 12 l/o 2,3,6, VEN is in 12 l/o 1, > > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > > As per Kanak: 9th SL is SUN in the star of KET and sub of OWN. > > > > SUN conj. with MER.SUN is in 12 l/o 5,KET is in 6 > > > Conj. with JUP l/o 9 > > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > (2) > > > > (F) 26/11/1961 5:35 CST Paducah, KY > > > > 37 5 N 88 36 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc.25 LI 50.26 MOON: 29 GE 25.01 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is RAH in the star of MER and sub of MOO. > > > > RAH is in 9, MER is in 1 l/o 9,11,MOO is in 9. > > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MOO in the star of JUP and sub of SUN. > > > > MOO is in dual rasi Mithuna in 9 indicate multiple > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > 3) > > > > > > > > (F) 05/05/1942 1:20 CWT Red Bay, MI > > > > 34 32 N 88 4 W USA BC/BR in hand AA > > > > Asc. 10 CP 11.38 MOON:21 SG 49.52 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Five > > > > Rule-2:2nd SL is SAT in the star if SUN and sub of MER. > > > > SAT is in 4 l/o 1,2.SUN is in 3 l/o 8.MER is in 4 l/o 6. > > > > Not indicate multiple marriage. > > > > As per Kanak:9th SL is MER in the star of SUN and sub of KET. > > > > MER is CSL of 9th and no planet in the star of MER. > > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > =============================================================== > > > > (4) > > > > 07/06/1956 22:40 EDT Morristown, NJ > > > > 40 47 N 74 28 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc. 27 SG 00.15 MOON:13 TA 15.17 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages At least nine > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is SAT in the star and sub of own. > > > > SAT is in 10 l/o 2. Not indicate multiple mariage. > > > > As per Kanak: VEN in the star of RAH and sub of KET. > > > > VEN is in dual rasi Mithuna, in 6 l/o 5,10.RAH is in > > > 11. > > > > Indicate multiple marriage. > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > 5) > > > > > > > > 15/03/1941 10:55 PST Los Angeles, CA > > > > 34 4 N 118 15 W USA Quoted BC/BR AA > > > > Asc. 02 Ge 48.02 MOON: 03 LI 52.12 > > > > Heading / Item Notes > > > > Relationship:Number of Marriages Nine > > > > > > > > Rule-2: 2nd SL is MER in the star and sub of RAH. > > > > MER is in 9 l/o 1,2,5.RAH is in 4 , > > > > Not indicate multiple marraige. > > > > As per Kanak: 9th Sl is SAT in the star of VEN and sub of RAH. > > > > SAT is in 11 l/o 9,10 , VEN Conj with MER. > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > this five data is for sample if you need more i have nearly > 100 > > > data, but first you check it and give your finding, and then if > > you > > > need more i will send you. > > > > > > > > hope this help > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > > > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Dear > > > Raichurji > > > > > > > > Even if you consider the assumed relation, which > > > relation is logical to consider between the two wives- > > > > > > > > If we consider 9th : her younger sister > > > > If we consider 2nd (as per Krishnamurtiji) : Present > > > wife becomes the enemy of 2nd wife.(6-8 Relation) > > > > > > > > I have personally no problem accepting 9th house as > > > used by Kanakji for prediction, but before that I want to > satisfy > > > myself that the rulings given by Krishnamurtiji doesn't work. > > > > > > > > My request to you as well as Kanakji – will you > > > please give me few cases with DOB particulars for my own > analysis? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > > Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th > > > > > > > > Dear Ghosh > > > > > > > > I agree that law has changed, but the assumed relationship has > > > not. The 5th house, still represents your wifes 1st child, the > 7th > > > her second, and 9th her third, though in MODERN days, it is rare > > to > > > find a 3rd child in the family. > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Raichurji > > > > > > > > In present day context is it relevant? Now a days, > > > one can't marry second time by Hindu law while 1st wife is still > > > alive. > > > > > > > > Even if he does, the marriage is not legal and the > > > second wife, by law is like a keep. > > > > > > > > I also doubt if any wife will take the 2nd wife of > > > her husband a younger sister. > > > > > > > > Also, generally there must be some indication of > > > separation from his 1st wife to fructify a legal 2nd marriage. > > > > > > > > In this logic judging extramarital relation from > > > 9th cusp is more logical. > > > > > > > > Your valued opinion please. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raichur-a-r > > > > Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Second marriage and sublord of > 7th > > > > > > > > This is in consonance with our tradition, where the 2nd wife > > > is considered as the younger sister of the 1st, so 9th is > > > acceptable. This custom was prevalent, when 2 marriages, were > not > > > prohibited in Hindoo Society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feluda4u <suprakash.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanakji, will you please explain why you consider 9th house > for > > > > second marriage? > > > > > > > > I searched the KP readers and found the following rulings, > which > > > > suggests to judge 7th house & 2nd house only. > > > > > > > > 'if the lord of the sub or the lord of the cinstellation in > > which > > > the > > > > sublord is situated is in a dual sign or happens to be a dual > > > planet > > > > then 2nd marriage is promised.' p181,ReaderIV > > > > > > > > 'Further if the sublord of the second cusp is connected with > 7th > > > > house, second marriage,if connected with 11th house one will > > keep a > > > > keep...' > > > > P146,ReaderIV > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Suprakash > > > > > > > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ravi ji, > > > > > Look 9th SL if 9th SL is Mer or deposited in Mer star or in > > dual > > > > rasi and signifies 2,9,11, possiblity of second mariage. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Ravi Bhide <ravirajbhide@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > If the sublord of the 7th cusp is conjoined with Mercury, is > > this > > > an > > > > > indication that second marriage is promised? 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