Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Dear Friends, This may not be related to Kp, yet I am putting this query. Suppose we have a Placidus House division,and Lagna falls at 15 degrees Leo which mean the extent of first house would be 15 degrees Leo to 15 degrees Virgo(In this case and not always 30 degrees extent). Therefore the Ruler of the 1st House would be the Sun. Now my question is,can Mercury be also treated as a co-ruler of the Lagna,with less strength, but giving more strength of ownership to The Sun, since it is the owner of the Degrees at the beginning of the Cusp ? Same query for the 12th House,which starts at 16degrees Cancer. Here too since the beginning of the Cusp is ruled by Moon, we take Moon as the Lord of this 12th house,but half of this house is ruled naturally by Sun, so should we also take Sun as the less strong co-ruler of the 12th House ? Or should we take total ownership of the houses only by lords who are the Owner at the beginning of the Cuspal degrees ? Of course in Kp the latter would prevail, but what is the experience of the more experienced astrologers here in real ? regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar! You cannot consider this way because the point that is arising at the time of birth considered for judging Lagna.Prcisely we consider the rasi lord star lord and the sub lord. But for considering the first house we take the approximately the whole orb viz. 30 degrees. Even there you have to consider the extent of the Bhava. Hope this is clear. Regards, Jammalamadugu Rangan Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Friends,This may not be related to Kp, yet I am puttingthis query. Suppose we have a Placidus Housedivision,and Lagna falls at 15 degrees Leowhich mean the extent of first house wouldbe 15 degrees Leo to 15 degrees Virgo(In thiscase and not always 30 degrees extent).Therefore the Ruler of the 1st House would be the Sun.Now my question is,can Mercury be also treatedas a co-ruler of the Lagna,with less strength, but giving more strength of ownership to The Sun, since it is the owner of the Degrees at the beginning of the Cusp ?Same query for the 12th House,which starts at 16degrees Cancer. Here too since the beginningof the Cusp is ruled by Moon, we take Moon as the Lord of this 12th house,but half ofthis house is ruled naturally by Sun, soshould we also take Sun as the less strongco-ruler of the 12th House ?Or should we take total ownership of the houses only by lords who are the Ownerat the beginning of the Cuspal degrees ?Of course in Kp the latter would prevail,but what is the experience of the moreexperienced astrologers here in real ?regards,Bhaskar. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, As per Krishnamurthy Padhdhati,the lord of the sign in which the Ist cusp falls,is the ruler of I,and,the house extends from the beginning of the cusp to the beginning of the next cusp...in the case you've cited, Sun alone is the ruler of I... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Sunday, 15 April, 2007 12:01:32 AM Co - Rulers ??? Dear Friends,This may not be related to Kp, yet I am puttingthis query. Suppose we have a Placidus Housedivision,and Lagna falls at 15 degrees Leowhich mean the extent of first house wouldbe 15 degrees Leo to 15 degrees Virgo(In thiscase and not always 30 degrees extent).Therefore the Ruler of the 1st House would be the Sun.Now my question is,can Mercury be also treatedas a co-ruler of the Lagna,with less strength, but giving more strength of ownership to The Sun, since it is the owner of the Degrees at the beginning of the Cusp ?Same query for the 12th House,which starts at 16degrees Cancer. Here too since the beginningof the Cusp is ruled by Moon, we take Moon as the Lord of this 12th house,but half ofthis house is ruled naturally by Sun, soshould we also take Sun as the less strongco-ruler of the 12th House ?Or should we take total ownership of the houses only by lords who are the Ownerat the beginning of the Cuspal degrees ?Of course in Kp the latter would prevail,but what is the experience of the moreexperienced astrologers here in real ?regards,Bhaskar. Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 dear bhaskar, krishmurthy has given weitage to beginning of cusp so you dont have to think for coruler.they are not at all useful.it is better to keep one track or otherwise you will mislead to confusions only and not the firm decision my experience in 4 step theory is for last 17 yrs,and for kp 12 years teaches me well to predict thanks -sunil gondhalekarBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Friends,This may not be related to Kp, yet I am puttingthis query. Suppose we have a Placidus Housedivision,and Lagna falls at 15 degrees Leowhich mean the extent of first house wouldbe 15 degrees Leo to 15 degrees Virgo(In thiscase and not always 30 degrees extent).Therefore the Ruler of the 1st House would be the Sun.Now my question is,can Mercury be also treatedas a co-ruler of the Lagna,with less strength, but giving more strength of ownership to The Sun, since it is the owner of the Degrees at the beginning of the Cusp ?Same query for the 12th House,which starts at 16degrees Cancer. Here too since the beginningof the Cusp is ruled by Moon, we take Moon as the Lord of this 12th house,but half ofthis house is ruled naturally by Sun, soshould we also take Sun as the less strongco-ruler of the 12th House ?Or should we take total ownership of the houses only by lords who are the Ownerat the beginning of the Cuspal degrees ?Of course in Kp the latter would prevail,but what is the experience of the moreexperienced astrologers here in real ?regards,Bhaskar. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, The cuspal lord is determined from where the cusp beginsi.e in which house/rashi. In case the cusp begins within 3deg 20 of the next rashi, your query can be answered by saying it will give results of both houses i.e. pertaining to the 2 cuspal lords,the ending rashi lord and the next to follow. If you have practical examples of such situations, members would be interested from evaluation point of view. Regards, Satish -- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > This may not be related to Kp, yet I am putting > this query. Suppose we have a Placidus House > division,and Lagna falls at 15 degrees Leo > which mean the extent of first house would > be 15 degrees Leo to 15 degrees Virgo(In this > case and not always 30 degrees extent). > Therefore the Ruler of the 1st House would > be the Sun. > > Now my question is,can Mercury be also treated > as a co-ruler of the Lagna,with less strength, > but giving more strength of ownership to The > Sun, since it is the owner of the Degrees at > the beginning of the Cusp ? > > Same query for the 12th House,which starts at > 16degrees Cancer. Here too since the beginning > of the Cusp is ruled by Moon, we take Moon as > the Lord of this 12th house,but half of > this house is ruled naturally by Sun, so > should we also take Sun as the less strong > co-ruler of the 12th House ? > > Or should we take total ownership of the > houses only by lords who are the Owner > at the beginning of the Cuspal degrees ? > > Of course in Kp the latter would prevail, > but what is the experience of the more > experienced astrologers here in real ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar IN KP the ruler of the house is the sign lord of the cusp. So SUN only is the ruler of 1st, not MERCURY, even though mercury may be in the 1st house, or even with 3 deg 20 min of the 1st cusp Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Friends,This may not be related to Kp, yet I am puttingthis query. Suppose we have a Placidus Housedivision,and Lagna falls at 15 degrees Leowhich mean the extent of first house wouldbe 15 degrees Leo to 15 degrees Virgo(In thiscase and not always 30 degrees extent).Therefore the Ruler of the 1st House would be the Sun.Now my question is,can Mercury be also treatedas a co-ruler of the Lagna,with less strength, but giving more strength of ownership to The Sun, since it is the owner of the Degrees at the beginning of the Cusp ?Same query for the 12th House,which starts at 16degrees Cancer. Here too since the beginningof the Cusp is ruled by Moon, we take Moon as the Lord of this 12th house,but half ofthis house is ruled naturally by Sun, soshould we also take Sun as the less strongco-ruler of the 12th House ?Or should we take total ownership of the houses only by lords who are the Ownerat the beginning of the Cuspal degrees ?Of course in Kp the latter would prevail,but what is the experience of the moreexperienced astrologers here in real ?regards,Bhaskar.Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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