Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Hi All, Should the Lal kitab Past life debt remedies need to be Perfomed for 43 days. Can any one Please help. With warm Regards, Sai sagar nomula. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 hi, 43 days not required, these upaya types are only of like One time payment...... the qty of upaya's vastu should be high feeding fish of 100 different locataion. feeding 100 dog/cows in single day etc etc regards, leekha lalkitab , saisagar nomula <sagar_n_09 wrote: > > Hi All, > Should the Lal kitab Past life debt remedies need to be Perfomed for 43 days. > Can any one Please help. > With warm Regards, > Sai sagar nomula. > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Dear Leekha ji There is a clear cut instruction given by Pundit jee regarding the Pitri Rinn remedy in Farmaan number 8, pages 124 of Lal Kitab 1952 (Urdu ed.). It is advised to perform this remedy for 43 weeks consecutively. Although we may found any excuse like shortage or time, not practically possible or whatever, but the fact remains that this Pitri Rinn is the outcome of the wrong doings of our forefather. And as you are well aware that the aftermath of such curses transfer from one generation to another, so we must never adopt any casual approach like " one time payments " for such repentance. Sincerely Yograj Prabhakar --- On Sun, 22/3/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: sleekhas <sleekhas [lalkitab] Re: Lal kitab Past life debt remedies lalkitab Sunday, 22 March, 2009, 7:28 PM hi, 43 days not required, these upaya types are only of like One time payment..... . the qty of upaya's vastu should be high feeding fish of 100 different locataion. feeding 100 dog/cows in single day etc etc regards, leekha lalkitab@ s.com, saisagar nomula <sagar_n_09@ ...> wrote: > > Hi All, > Should the Lal kitab Past life debt remedies need to be Perfomed for 43 days. > Can any one Please help. > With warm Regards, > Sai sagar nomula. > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 dear yograj ji i agree with you but, i) the question asked is for past life debt, (poorav janam ka rin) not rin pitri (sins of forefathers). in Lk only one upaya given for poorav janam ka rin keeping two copper coin at head side of your bed at night and given to poor next day morning. if we deepen the study, if one particular star is sitting in one particular house for whole or maximum memebers of family then it becomes pitr rin, and if same position is with your maternal and paternal uncles then it becomes poor janam ka rin, which can only be easen by increasing qty of your donation. say:- if jupiter is in house no 12th for jatak and his family and the monetary and condition of father was not good or heavy debts are there on family then it become pitr rin and as well as poor janam ka rin. this is what i understand from book. regards, leekha lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Leekha ji > > There is a clear cut instruction given by Pundit jee regarding the Pitri Rinn remedy in Farmaan number 8, pages 124 of Lal Kitab 1952 (Urdu ed.). It is advised to perform this remedy for 43 weeks consecutively. Although we may found any excuse like shortage or time, not practically possible or whatever, but the fact remains that this Pitri Rinn is the outcome of the wrong doings of our forefather. And as you are well aware that the aftermath of such curses transfer from one generation to another, so we must never adopt any casual approach like " one time payments " for such repentance. > > Sincerely > Yograj Prabhakar > > --- On Sun, 22/3/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > > sleekhas <sleekhas > [lalkitab] Re: Lal kitab Past life debt remedies > lalkitab > Sunday, 22 March, 2009, 7:28 PM > > > > > > hi, > > > > 43 days not required, these upaya types are only of like One time payment..... .. > > > > the qty of upaya's vastu should be high > > > > feeding fish of 100 different locataion. > > > > feeding 100 dog/cows in single day > > > > etc etc > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > lalkitab@ s.com, saisagar nomula <sagar_n_09@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > Should the Lal kitab Past life debt remedies need to be Perfomed for 43 days. > > > Can any one Please help. > > > With warm Regards, > > > Sai sagar nomula. > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Dear Leekha ji, My point-wise response to your answers: //i) the question asked is for past life debt, (poorav janam ka rin) not rin pitri (sins of forefathers).// There is no such term like " Poorv janam ka rin " present in Lal Kitab, in the example you have given it is mentioned as " Tax " not " Rinn " by Pundit jee. Since you discussed two remedies of feeding fish of 100 different locataion and feeding 100 dog/cows in single day, I took it exactly as I wrote, because both of the remedies you've mentioned are for Pitri Rinn only. //if we deepen the study,if one particular star is sitting in one particular house for whole or maximum memebers of family then it becomes pitr rin, and if same position is with your maternal and paternal uncles then it becomes poor janam ka rin, which can only be easen by increasing qty of your donation.// I completely agree with you as far the reflection of Pitri Rinn through the placement of a particular planet in a particular house is concerned. But you cannot exclude paternal uncles and include them in your unique " Poorv janam ka Rinn " category because they are children of your grandfather and are from your own bloodline. I am still have my reservations on " poorv janam ka Rinn " and " Increasing the quantity of donation " . //say:- if jupiter is in house no 12th for jatak and his family and the monetary and condition of father was not good or heavy debts are there on family then it become pitr rin and as well as poor janam ka rin.// There are only two broad categories/conditions mentioned in Lal Kitab as regard to Pitri Rinn (page no. 128 Lal kitab 1952 ed.) as follows: (1).Rinn pitri ki pehli haalat (Jab Budh jad mein baith ho), and (2).Rinn pitri ki doosri haalat (Ja greh mutalliqa ki jad mein uska dushman greh baitha ho) And Jupiter in house number 12 is nowhere mentioned in the above-mentioned categories. Can you quote from the exact page/line/edition of Lal kitab where it has been mentioned? I shall be highly obliged because we are all student of this sacred scripture known as Lal Kitab and we have to earn from each others experience/knowledge. Sincerely Yograj Prabhakar lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: > > dear yograj ji > > i agree with you but, > > i) the question asked is for past life debt, (poorav janam ka rin) not rin pitri (sins of forefathers). > > in Lk only one upaya given for poorav janam ka rin keeping two copper coin at head side of your bed at night and given to poor next day morning. > > if we deepen the study, > > if one particular star is sitting in one particular house for whole or maximum memebers of family then it becomes pitr rin, and if same position is with your maternal and paternal uncles then it becomes poor janam ka rin, which can only be easen by increasing qty of your donation. > > say:- if jupiter is in house no 12th for jatak and his family and the monetary and condition of father was not good or heavy debts are there on family then it become pitr rin and as well as poor janam ka rin. > > this is what i understand from book. > > regards, > leekha > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > Dear Leekha ji > > > > There is a clear cut instruction given by Pundit jee regarding the Pitri Rinn remedy in Farmaan number 8, pages 124 of Lal Kitab 1952 (Urdu ed.). It is advised to perform this remedy for 43 weeks consecutively. Although we may found any excuse like shortage or time, not practically possible or whatever, but the fact remains that this Pitri Rinn is the outcome of the wrong doings of our forefather. And as you are well aware that the aftermath of such curses transfer from one generation to another, so we must never adopt any casual approach like " one time payments " for such repentance. > > > > Sincerely > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > --- On Sun, 22/3/09, sleekhas sleekhas@ wrote: > > > > sleekhas sleekhas@ > > [lalkitab] Re: Lal kitab Past life debt remedies > > lalkitab > > Sunday, 22 March, 2009, 7:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > 43 days not required, these upaya types are only of like One time payment..... . > > > > > > > > the qty of upaya's vastu should be high > > > > > > > > feeding fish of 100 different locataion. > > > > > > > > feeding 100 dog/cows in single day > > > > > > > > etc etc > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > leekha > > > > > > > > lalkitab@ s.com, saisagar nomula <sagar_n_09@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > Should the Lal kitab Past life debt remedies need to be Perfomed for 43 days. > > > > > Can any one Please help. > > > > > With warm Regards, > > > > > Sai sagar nomula. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 dear yograj ji, let me tell you how i see this book, i) this book is like learning table(pahadey) from 1 to 10, as a beginner or say child it is very difficult to learn or remeber table from 1 to 10, when you are through then going ahead with tables of 11 onward becomes little easy. ii) secondly this books each and every line is well connected with each other or say, it is like opening of thread ball, or u can say sweater ka udhedna. or if u remeber how we used to untied the bundle of manjha.... my thinking is like this, when a person born, he is born with past birth kerma and sins, which can be judged by his birth chart, Greh phal waley stars are according to his karma or sins, if greh phal wala star is well placed/badly placed ,it means that god has given him birth with his verdict which is calculated by his karm of past birth, where as by giving him rashi phal waley star, he has given him a chance to live in this world. as the person who has born may/must not be knowing that what bad or good he has done in his past birth. here he gives him chance to rectify the errors made by him in past janam. According to me tax is liability (you can see this term in any balance sheet) and rin also mean the amount which you need/must have, to pay jupiter 12th means to me, sadhu ki kutiya mein hathi, (12th house is of rahu)please see Jupiter/rahu mushtarka. if you see this placement in jatak's horoscope and same is with his family members that means there is some bhed because of which, either the jupiter is getting placed in 12th house or it is with rahu) and the decoding of this bhed is must and it is crucial also. Few examples where the books says or talk about poorv janam are, 1) jupiter 7th, pichley janam ka sadhu per jagal mein tap ko nahin gaya. here we can see the person born with 7th jupiter ma have to roam around a lot in life, and he may not be happy with his childrens (just like and sadhu in jangal as the sadhu has to roam in woods and he is also not concern with childerns). ii) budh in 2nd house...is also things like this only. iii) a little light is also reflecting in 35 sala chaker, where it says if first cycle of 35 year is not giving good result the next cycle will give good result or it will not give bad results as the first cycle hase given, but one open end is there which is accoriding to according me is the BHED, it says if any dasa is going on (at the time of birt) then after completion of that dasha the 35 year cycle will start, here we have to take help of ancient theory, say a person have born with balance dasa of 7 years of saturn (out of 18)the the 35th year cycle will completed in the year 42, with this balance dasha theory you can also calculate the condition of his family perior to his birth, say, if a person born with balance dasha of rahu and rahu is not placed will in his horo then his father/grand father must have gone through bad effects of rahu for certains period. bhai ji we all are student, and i think this study will go on forever. kar bhala to ho bhala ant bhaley ka bhal....... regard, leekha lalkitab , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Leekha ji, > > My point-wise response to your answers: > > //i) the question asked is for past life debt, (poorav janam ka rin) not > rin pitri (sins of forefathers).// > > There is no such term like " Poorv janam ka rin " present in Lal Kitab, in > the example you have given it is mentioned as " Tax " not " Rinn " by Pundit > jee. Since you discussed two remedies of feeding fish of 100 different > locataion and feeding 100 dog/cows in single day, I took it exactly as I > wrote, because both of the remedies you've mentioned are for Pitri Rinn > only. > > //if we deepen the study,if one particular star is sitting in one > particular house for whole or maximum memebers of family then it becomes > pitr rin, and if same position is with your > maternal and paternal uncles then it becomes poor janam ka rin, which > can only be easen by increasing qty of your donation.// > > I completely agree with you as far the reflection of Pitri Rinn through > the placement of a particular planet in a particular house is concerned. > But you cannot exclude paternal uncles and include them in your unique > " Poorv janam ka Rinn " category because they are children of your > grandfather and are from your own bloodline. I am still have my > reservations on " poorv janam ka Rinn " and " Increasing the quantity of > donation " . > > //say:- if jupiter is in house no 12th for jatak and his family and the > monetary and condition of father was not good or heavy debts are there > on family then it become pitr rin and as well as poor janam ka rin.// > > There are only two broad categories/conditions mentioned in Lal Kitab as > regard to Pitri Rinn (page no. 128 Lal kitab 1952 ed.) as follows: > > (1).Rinn pitri ki pehli haalat (Jab Budh jad mein baith ho), and > (2).Rinn pitri ki doosri haalat (Ja greh mutalliqa ki jad mein uska > dushman greh baitha ho) > > And Jupiter in house number 12 is nowhere mentioned in the > above-mentioned categories. Can you quote from the exact > page/line/edition of Lal kitab where it has been mentioned? I shall be > highly obliged because we are all student of this sacred scripture known > as Lal Kitab and we have to earn from each others experience/knowledge. > > Sincerely > Yograj Prabhakar > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > dear yograj ji > > > > i agree with you but, > > > > i) the question asked is for past life debt, (poorav janam ka rin) not > rin pitri (sins of forefathers). > > > > in Lk only one upaya given for poorav janam ka rin keeping two copper > coin at head side of your bed at night and given to poor next day > morning. > > > > if we deepen the study, > > > > if one particular star is sitting in one particular house for whole or > maximum memebers of family then it becomes pitr rin, and if same > position is with your maternal and paternal uncles then it becomes poor > janam ka rin, which can only be easen by increasing qty of your > donation. > > > > say:- if jupiter is in house no 12th for jatak and his family and the > monetary and condition of father was not good or heavy debts are there > on family then it become pitr rin and as well as poor janam ka rin. > > > > this is what i understand from book. > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Leekha ji > > > > > > There is a clear cut instruction given by Pundit jee regarding the > Pitri Rinn remedy in Farmaan number 8, pages 124 of Lal Kitab 1952 (Urdu > ed.). It is advised to perform this remedy for 43 weeks consecutively. > Although we may found any excuse like shortage or time, not practically > possible or whatever, but the fact remains that this Pitri Rinn is the > outcome of the wrong doings of our forefather. And as you are well aware > that the aftermath of such curses transfer from one generation to > another, so we must never adopt any casual approach like " one time > payments " for such repentance. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > --- On Sun, 22/3/09, sleekhas sleekhas@ wrote: > > > > > > sleekhas sleekhas@ > > > [lalkitab] Re: Lal kitab Past life debt remedies > > > lalkitab > > > Sunday, 22 March, 2009, 7:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > 43 days not required, these upaya types are only of like One time > payment..... . > > > > > > > > > > > > the qty of upaya's vastu should be high > > > > > > > > > > > > feeding fish of 100 different locataion. > > > > > > > > > > > > feeding 100 dog/cows in single day > > > > > > > > > > > > etc etc > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab@ s.com, saisagar nomula <sagar_n_09@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > Should the Lal kitab Past life debt remedies need to be > Perfomed for 43 days. > > > > > > > Can any one Please help. > > > > > > > With warm Regards, > > > > > > > Sai sagar nomula. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Dear Laeekha ji, After reading your enlightening note particularly your interpretation regarding 35 Saala chakkar, I reached to a conclusion that before jumping to the Table (Pahadey) stage, one should first learn the Counting properly. Thanks Yograj Prabhakar --- On Mon, 30/3/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: sleekhas <sleekhas [lalkitab] Re: Lal kitab Past life debt remedies lalkitab Monday, 30 March, 2009, 10:16 PM dear yograj ji, let me tell you how i see this book, i) this book is like learning table(pahadey) from 1 to 10, as a beginner or say child it is very difficult to learn or remeber table from 1 to 10, when you are through then going ahead with tables of 11 onward becomes little easy. ii) secondly this books each and every line is well connected with each other or say, it is like opening of thread ball, or u can say sweater ka udhedna. or if u remeber how we used to untied the bundle of manjha.... my thinking is like this, when a person born, he is born with past birth kerma and sins, which can be judged by his birth chart, Greh phal waley stars are according to his karma or sins, if greh phal wala star is well placed/badly placed ,it means that god has given him birth with his verdict which is calculated by his karm of past birth, where as by giving him rashi phal waley star, he has given him a chance to live in this world. as the person who has born may/must not be knowing that what bad or good he has done in his past birth. here he gives him chance to rectify the errors made by him in past janam. According to me tax is liability (you can see this term in any balance sheet) and rin also mean the amount which you need/must have, to pay jupiter 12th means to me, sadhu ki kutiya mein hathi, (12th house is of rahu)please see Jupiter/rahu mushtarka. if you see this placement in jatak's horoscope and same is with his family members that means there is some bhed because of which, either the jupiter is getting placed in 12th house or it is with rahu) and the decoding of this bhed is must and it is crucial also. Few examples where the books says or talk about poorv janam are, 1) jupiter 7th, pichley janam ka sadhu per jagal mein tap ko nahin gaya. here we can see the person born with 7th jupiter ma have to roam around a lot in life, and he may not be happy with his childrens (just like and sadhu in jangal as the sadhu has to roam in woods and he is also not concern with childerns). ii) budh in 2nd house...is also things like this only. iii) a little light is also reflecting in 35 sala chaker, where it says if first cycle of 35 year is not giving good result the next cycle will give good result or it will not give bad results as the first cycle hase given, but one open end is there which is accoriding to according me is the BHED, it says if any dasa is going on (at the time of birt) then after completion of that dasha the 35 year cycle will start, here we have to take help of ancient theory, say a person have born with balance dasa of 7 years of saturn (out of 18)the the 35th year cycle will completed in the year 42, with this balance dasha theory you can also calculate the condition of his family perior to his birth, say, if a person born with balance dasha of rahu and rahu is not placed will in his horo then his father/grand father must have gone through bad effects of rahu for certains period. bhai ji we all are student, and i think this study will go on forever. kar bhala to ho bhala ant bhaley ka bhal....... regard, leekha lalkitab@ s.com, " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Leekha ji, > > My point-wise response to your answers: > > //i) the question asked is for past life debt, (poorav janam ka rin) not > rin pitri (sins of forefathers) .// > > There is no such term like " Poorv janam ka rin " present in Lal Kitab, in > the example you have given it is mentioned as " Tax " not " Rinn " by Pundit > jee. Since you discussed two remedies of feeding fish of 100 different > locataion and feeding 100 dog/cows in single day, I took it exactly as I > wrote, because both of the remedies you've mentioned are for Pitri Rinn > only. > > //if we deepen the study,if one particular star is sitting in one > particular house for whole or maximum memebers of family then it becomes > pitr rin, and if same position is with your > maternal and paternal uncles then it becomes poor janam ka rin, which > can only be easen by increasing qty of your donation.// > > I completely agree with you as far the reflection of Pitri Rinn through > the placement of a particular planet in a particular house is concerned. > But you cannot exclude paternal uncles and include them in your unique > " Poorv janam ka Rinn " category because they are children of your > grandfather and are from your own bloodline. I am still have my > reservations on " poorv janam ka Rinn " and " Increasing the quantity of > donation " . > > //say:- if jupiter is in house no 12th for jatak and his family and the > monetary and condition of father was not good or heavy debts are there > on family then it become pitr rin and as well as poor janam ka rin.// > > There are only two broad categories/conditio ns mentioned in Lal Kitab as > regard to Pitri Rinn (page no. 128 Lal kitab 1952 ed.) as follows: > > (1).Rinn pitri ki pehli haalat (Jab Budh jad mein baith ho), and > (2).Rinn pitri ki doosri haalat (Ja greh mutalliqa ki jad mein uska > dushman greh baitha ho) > > And Jupiter in house number 12 is nowhere mentioned in the > above-mentioned categories. Can you quote from the exact > page/line/edition of Lal kitab where it has been mentioned? I shall be > highly obliged because we are all student of this sacred scripture known > as Lal Kitab and we have to earn from each others experience/knowledg e. > > Sincerely > Yograj Prabhakar > > lalkitab@ s.com, " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > dear yograj ji > > > > i agree with you but, > > > > i) the question asked is for past life debt, (poorav janam ka rin) not > rin pitri (sins of forefathers) . > > > > in Lk only one upaya given for poorav janam ka rin keeping two copper > coin at head side of your bed at night and given to poor next day > morning. > > > > if we deepen the study, > > > > if one particular star is sitting in one particular house for whole or > maximum memebers of family then it becomes pitr rin, and if same > position is with your maternal and paternal uncles then it becomes poor > janam ka rin, which can only be easen by increasing qty of your > donation. > > > > say:- if jupiter is in house no 12th for jatak and his family and the > monetary and condition of father was not good or heavy debts are there > on family then it become pitr rin and as well as poor janam ka rin. > > > > this is what i understand from book. > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > > > > > lalkitab@ s.com, Yograj Prabhakar yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Leekha ji > > > > > > There is a clear cut instruction given by Pundit jee regarding the > Pitri Rinn remedy in Farmaan number 8, pages 124 of Lal Kitab 1952 (Urdu > ed.). It is advised to perform this remedy for 43 weeks consecutively. > Although we may found any excuse like shortage or time, not practically > possible or whatever, but the fact remains that this Pitri Rinn is the > outcome of the wrong doings of our forefather. And as you are well aware > that the aftermath of such curses transfer from one generation to > another, so we must never adopt any casual approach like " one time > payments " for such repentance. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > --- On Sun, 22/3/09, sleekhas sleekhas@ wrote: > > > > > > sleekhas sleekhas@ > > > [lalkitab] Re: Lal kitab Past life debt remedies > > > lalkitab@ s.com > > > Sunday, 22 March, 2009, 7:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > 43 days not required, these upaya types are only of like One time > payment..... . > > > > > > > > > > > > the qty of upaya's vastu should be high > > > > > > > > > > > > feeding fish of 100 different locataion. > > > > > > > > > > > > feeding 100 dog/cows in single day > > > > > > > > > > > > etc etc > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab@ s.com, saisagar nomula <sagar_n_09@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > Should the Lal kitab Past life debt remedies need to be > Perfomed for 43 days. > > > > > > > Can any one Please help. > > > > > > > With warm Regards, > > > > > > > Sai sagar nomula. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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