please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

February 19, 2009

Dear Kulbir ji,

My further thought on the agenda for this forum suggests that we should

focus on the application of what is given in Lal Kitab and should not

discuss what is written in Lal Kitab. I mean, we should take case studies &

quizes are explain concepts of Lal Kitab based on that. I think, Internet

has enough of fighting on what is written in Lal Kitab and remedy of X

planet in Y house. We need to grow from there. You have a long association

with Lal Kitab and would appreciate your opinion?

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> I'll take your questions in three parts. First is the question why the

> success percentage is not that high for most of the astrologers. My answer

> is that most of the astrology students are dependent on theoretical study.

> All classics like Brihat Jatak, Saravali, Sarvarth Chintamani, BPHS etc. are

> almost without any examples. The crux had been documented but the

> application was not documented. Traditionally application had been taught in

> paramparas in India. Without any practical example, people are using their

> own imagination to fill that gap. The same problem is there with Lal Kitab

> as well. Examples are nearly non-existent which makes understanding

> difficult.

>

> Your question is not limited to astrology, but it true for almost all kind

> of knowledge. Why not all B.Sc. students can invent like Thomas Alva Edison

> **? Answer is the same that they have just studied theory and not learnt

> the application. Correct application of any science requires a lot of hard

> work and efforts. Now all B.Sc. students can become Edison. Hard work,

> focus, practical learning, effort, individual's understanding of application

> are various criteria in the success of any subject. Astrology is no

> different.

>

> Your second point is related to Nadis and Samhitas. This is now a well

> known fact that there are two types of Nadis (called Samhita in North India)

> - Tantra Nadis and Mantra Nadis. According to Prof. B. V. Raman, " Mantra

> Nadi's are based on acquisition of control over what he called certain

> " uchchishta " (profane) or Kshudra (mean or low) mantra. " Karna Pishachini is

> one such method which is well documented in our Tantra texts like

> Rudryamalam and Mantramahodadhi as far as I remember. Karna Pishachinis are

> not astrologers. Those are good in tell you present and past, but the future

> prediction has been left to astrologers alone. That is the reason we see

> that most of the Nadis failed in future predictions.

>

> On the other side, Tantra Nadis are based on astrology. Those are the Nadis

> that can predict even the future correctly. Texts like Deva Keralam, Bhrigu

> Nandi, Nandi Nadi etc. come under 'Tantra Nadis'. There are many Nadis

> available though not available to general public. Lal Kitab is also nothing

> but another branch of Nadi which was prevailing in Northern India. Anyways,

> we need to understand differences between Mantra Nadis and Tantra Nadis in

> order to uncover the secret of astrology.

>

> Regarding your third question, I have no plans as of now. I'll wait and see

> where future takes us. The good thing is that almost all five editions are

> available to us and that gives us good material to learn and debate. I hope

> that consistent discussion on Lal Kitab and filling missing links through

> classical astrology will give us good clarity on this Lal Kitab system.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbancewrote:

>

>> Punit ji, ur apprehensions are not unfounded but the problem is

>> majority of astrologers indulge in post mortem of events. Predictions

>> about future are more or less a gamble. With odds weighing heavily

>> against. I don't doubt the texts but with such treatises and

>> generations studing them. Where does the fault lie and what do you say

>> about bhrigu samhita charts in punjab and aagast naadi in south. I

>> have seen the magic of bhrigu charts at hoshiarpur in punjab. The

>> horoscope of native is there years before his birth. If u trust umesh

>> ji u can confirm from him that i arranged a meeting of umesh ji and

>> our common vip friend with a soothsayer. Both were dumb founded when

>> he described 2 murders in the locality of our friend with full details

>> like age appearance of the victim. What he asked was only thd address

>> no horoscope no palm reading. May be it was some sort of hypnosis or

>> mind reading. But he excells in that when it comes to future 95

>> predictions are wrong. In the end what exact solution do u have in

>> mind for rarely do u enter a discussion without a concreate agenda.

>> Regards. Kulbir

>>

>> On 2/19/09, Punit Pandey <punitp <punitp%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>> > Dear Friends,

>> >

>> > If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to predict

>> > correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will come out

>> > correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the time ..

>> > consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method to

>> predict

>> > past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine blessings

>> are

>> > the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves. Something

>> should

>> > be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't it?

>> > Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by introducing

>> all

>> > these intuition factors.

>> >

>> > Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive capabilities.

>> It

>> > takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin of

>> planets,

>> > signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in order

>> to

>> > predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply knowledge

>> > given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and systematic

>> > methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and meditate to

>> > learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving

>> blessings/

>> > intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool yourself

>> and

>> > others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial meaning of

>> > 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my opinion. These

>> > words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of

>> astrology.

>> > These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of the so

>> called

>> > Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that stops

>> further

>> > research and development.

>> >

>> > Thanks & Regards,

>> >

>> > Punit Pandey

>> >

>> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan

<chims45<chims45%40>>

>> wrote:

>> >

>> >> -Dear all,

>> >> I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

>> >> If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger, their

>> >> wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

>> >> The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

>> >> period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but disowned.He

>> >> would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to unknown

>> >> person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

>> >> given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

>> >> thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

>> >> prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me for

>> >> the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

>> >> Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not right

>> >> time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

>> >> prediction.parihars not performed.

>> >> Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with just

>> >> few calculations(computer like)

>> >>

>> >> regds

>> >> madhavan

>> >>

>> >> -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40> <lalkitab%

>> 40>, " Asheesh

>>

>> >> Mathur " <asheesh.mathur

>> >> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> > Dear All,

>> >> > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

>> >> > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

>> >> >

>> >> > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

>> >> > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

>> >> > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

>> >> >

>> >> > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

>> >> > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

>> >> >

>> >> > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

>> >> > will prevent him from doing that.

>> >> >

>> >> > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

>> >> > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

>> >> >

>> >> > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

>> >> > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

>> >> unable

>> >> > to trace him.

>> >> >

>> >> > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

>> >> their

>> >> > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

>> >> > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

>> >> >

>> >> > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

>> >> > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

>> >> > last moment tables turned upside down.

>> >> >

>> >> > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

>> >> >

>> >> > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

>> >> > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct

>> >> or

>> >> > appropriate.

>> >> >

>> >> > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks

>> >> > Asheesh

>> >> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

>> 40>, Punit

>>

>> >> Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

>> >> > >

>> >> > > Dear Raveesh ji,

>> >> > >

>> >> > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

>> >> > written

>> >> > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

>> >> > really doesn't

>> >> > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

>> >> > year. What

>> >> > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

>> >> > doesn't

>> >> > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

>> >> > there were

>> >> > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

>> >> > now. If

>> >> > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

>> >> > well.

>> >> > >

>> >> > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

>> >> > and what

>> >> > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

>> >> > doesn't

>> >> > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is

>> >> no

>> >> > efforts

>> >> > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

>> >> > for so

>> >> > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

>> >> > academic nature

>> >> > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

>> >> > books and

>> >> > > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

>> >> > Kitab. And

>> >> > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is

>> >> a

>> >> > must

>> >> > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

>> >> > >

>> >> > > Thanks & Regards,

>> >> > >

>> >> > > Punit Pandey

>> >> > >

>> >> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

>> >> > wrote:

>> >> > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Few things i have come to know .

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

>> >> > and 10

>> >> > > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

>> >> > lalkitaab

>> >> > > > theory.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

>> >> > is oen of

>> >> > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

>> >> > right

>> >> > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

>> >> > that it has to

>> >> > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

>> >> > on old

>> >> > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

>> >> > changing these

>> >> > > > remmdies should also change,

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

>> >> > different

>> >> > > > opinions

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

>> >> > number is 5 but

>> >> > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

>> >> > be no 2 not

>> >> > > > 5 .

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy

>> >> of

>> >> > those 10

>> >> > > > books published during that time then things will be much more

>> >> > easier.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Raveesh

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > *Warm Regards

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

>> >> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> >> Kitab

>> >> > Group

>> >> > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

>> 40>

>>

>> >> > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Dear Mohit ji,

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

>> >> > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

>> >> > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

>> >> > online reference

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in

>> >> the

>> >> > form of a

>> >> > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

>> >> > itself is in

>> >> > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

>> >> > the basic

>> >> > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

>> >> > in Hindi

>> >> > > > is

>> >> > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

>> >> Unlike

>> >> > classical

>> >> > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

>> >> > Not many

>> >> > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

>> >> understand

>> >> > it

>> >> > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

>> >> > people who

>> >> > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

>> >> > Kitab at

>> >> > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

>> >> > talks about

>> >> > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

>> >> have

>> >> > not seen

>> >> > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

>> >> > Most of the

>> >> > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

>> >> > of Lal

>> >> > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we

>> >> are

>> >> > still few

>> >> > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

>> >> Kitab

>> >> > > > knowledge

>> >> > > > in easy to understand form.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Thanks & Regards,

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Punit Pandey

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

>> >> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

>> >> > 40>>

>> >> > > > wrote:

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > > Dear Puneet ji

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

>> >> > details on

>> >> > > > below

>> >> > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

>> >> > have been

>> >> > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

>> >> > kitaab can

>> >> > > > be

>> >> > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

>> >> > learned

>> >> > > > gurus

>> >> > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > regards

>> >> > > > > Mohit

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

>> >> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

>> >> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

>> >> > > > al.co.uk> " <

>> >> > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

>> >> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

>> >> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

>> >> > > > al.co.uk> >

>> >> > > > > lalkitab@

>> >> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

>> >> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

>> >> > > > oups.com>

>> >> > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

>> >> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> >> > Kitab Group

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

>> >> > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

>> >> > concerns. I have

>> >> > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

>> >> This

>> >> > mail us

>> >> > > > to

>> >> > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

>> >> > assist in

>> >> > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

>> >> > Questions

>> >> > > > are

>> >> > > > > :

>> >> > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

>> >> > available.

>> >> > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

>> >> horoscope.

>> >> > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

>> >> advise.

>> >> > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

>> >> > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

>> >> > > > > Parm Saini

>> >> > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

>> >> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

>> >> > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

>> >> > > > > <lalkitab@

>> >> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

>> >> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

>> >> > > > oups.com> >

>> >> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> >> > Kitab Group

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

>> >> > kundli will

>> >> > > > > be

>> >> > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

>> >> > Lal Kitab

>> >> > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

>> >> > Though I

>> >> > > > believe

>> >> > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

>> >> > the

>> >> > > > > reasoning

>> >> > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

>> >> > should not be

>> >> > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

>> >> > don't

>> >> > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

>> >> > books due to

>> >> > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

>> >> > is no such

>> >> > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

>> >> > of Lal

>> >> > > > > Kitab.

>> >> > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

>> >> > another

>> >> > > > planet,

>> >> > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

>> >> > removing

>> >> > > > the

>> >> > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

>> >> > Kitab

>> >> > > > remedies

>> >> > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

>> >> > what is

>> >> > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

>> >> > language used in

>> >> > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

>> >> > understand it.

>> >> > > > As

>> >> > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

>> >> > post-remedy

>> >> > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

>> >> > planetary

>> >> > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Punit Pandey

>> >> > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

>> >> > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

>> >> > <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

>> >> > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

>> >> > > > 40>

>> >> > > > > >wrote:

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

>> >> > > > > >

>> >> > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

>> >> > kitab (Pt.

>> >> > > > > Krishan

>> >> > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

>> >> > done some

>> >> > > > > remedy

>> >> > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

>> >> > or someone

>> >> > > > > else

>> >> > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

>> >> > know that

>> >> > > > how

>> >> > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

>> >> > improve his

>> >> > > > > status.

>> >> > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

>> >> after

>> >> > that

>> >> > > > > remedy.

>> >> > > > > >

>> >> > > > > > in wait of your reply

>> >> > > > > > parminder saggu

>> >> > > > > >

>> >> > > > >

February 19, 2009

Dear punit ji,

Good to see that a learned person like yourself believes in his own

abilities and capabilities so much so that he does not see the need

for any other help.

Sir you don't care about the origin of lal kitab, YET want to

follow/carry research on it. Perhaps that is why you despite of your

best efforts and knowledge are still not able to " fill the gap " .

no offence mate but i thought i have the right to express my feelings

just like you do.

By the ways, if it wasn't for the divine blessing/intuition

power/spiritual qualities we wouldn't be having this " discussion "

today.

Good on you

Jitin Syal

lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Jitin ji,

>

> You got it right. I am exactly saying so. To reiterate, a good

astrologer

> DOES NOT need to have some sort of intuition power/divine

blessing/spiritual

> quality in order to assist him/her.

>

> This statement is related to the application of astrology and not

origin of

> astrology. I am not bothered whether spirituality/ intuition/

divine power

> is required or not for the creation of such " grantha " like Lal

Kitab.

> Originiation is not my problem and we are not going to write a new

Lal Kitab

> in this forum. What I am bothered about is the application of the

rules

> which are already avaible in the " grantha " like Lal Kitab. And for

that, I

> will repeat again that there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED of spirituality/

divine

> blessings/ spirual power. I hope I am clear now.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82wrote:

>

> > Dear punit ji,

> > Are you saying that a good astrologer doesn't need to have some

sort

> > of intution power/divine blessing/spritiual quality in order to

> > assist him/her?

> >

> > Are you saying astrology is purely calculation and application?

> >

> > If yes, then would be kind enough to explain the origin of lal

kitab

> > or any other " granth " for that matter.

> >

> > regards

> > jitin syal

> >

> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>,

Punit Pandey

> > <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to

predict

> > > correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will

come

> > out

> > > correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the

time ..

> > > consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method

to

> > predict

> > > past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine

> > blessings are

> > > the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves.

> > Something should

> > > be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't

it?

> > > Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by

> > introducing all

> > > these intuition factors.

> > >

> > > Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive

> > capabilities. It

> > > takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin

of

> > planets,

> > > signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in

> > order to

> > > predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply

> > knowledge

> > > given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and

> > systematic

> > > methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and

> > meditate to

> > > learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving

> > blessings/

> > > intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool

> > yourself and

> > > others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial

meaning of

> > > 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my

opinion.

> > These

> > > words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of

> > astrology.

> > > These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of

the

> > so called

> > > Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that

stops

> > further

> > > research and development.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan <chims45@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > -Dear all,

> > > > I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

> > > > If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger,

> > their

> > > > wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

> > > > The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by

bad

> > > > period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but

> > disowned.He

> > > > would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to

> > unknown

> > > > person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion

would be

> > > > given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

> > > > thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will

appreciate my

> > > > prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget

me

> > for

> > > > the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

> > > > Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could

not

> > right

> > > > time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

> > > > prediction.parihars not performed.

> > > > Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with

> > just

> > > > few calculations(computer like)

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > madhavan

> > > >

> > > > -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

<lalkitab%

> > 40>, " Asheesh

> >

> > > > Mathur " <asheesh.mathur@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition

and

> > above

> > > > > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure

logical,

> > they

> > > > > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> > > > > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could

predict.

> > > > >

> > > > > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal

Kitab

> > one

> > > > > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May

be

> > nature

> > > > > will prevent him from doing that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the

case

> > with

> > > > > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their

court.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I

> > have

> > > > > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials,

am

> > > > unable

> > > > > to trace him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of

God ,

> > > > their

> > > > > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who

have

> > > > > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints

decided

> > the

> > > > > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and

at

> > the

> > > > > last moment tables turned upside down.

> > > > >

> > > > > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls,

> > intersting

> > > > > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be

> > correct

> > > > or

> > > > > appropriate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Asheesh

> > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%

40><lalkitab%

> > 40>,

> > Punit

> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raveesh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing

> > what is

> > > > > written

> > > > > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To

me, it

> > > > > really doesn't

> > > > > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for

> > 25th

> > > > > year. What

> > > > > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now

it

> > also

> > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples.

> > Whether

> > > > > there were

> > > > > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move

> > forward

> > > > > now. If

> > > > > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50

books

> > as

> > > > > well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in

Y

> > house

> > > > > and what

> > > > > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but

also

> > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that.

There

> > is

> > > > no

> > > > > efforts

> > > > > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on

> > Internet

> > > > > for so

> > > > > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether

of

> > > > > academic nature

> > > > > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go

beyond the

> > > > > books and

> > > > > > will have to use their reasoning to understand

application of

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab. And

> > > > > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical

> > astrology is

> > > > a

> > > > > must

> > > > > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing

links.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi

<raveesh_13@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Few things i have come to know .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10

> > diciples

> > > > > and 10

> > > > > > > books were published by him , according to few people

who

> > follow

> > > > > lalkitaab

> > > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes

lal

> > kitaab

> > > > > is oen of

> > > > > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed

with

> > the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of

astrologers

> > say

> > > > > that it has to

> > > > > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies

are

> > based

> > > > > on old

> > > > > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment ,

situations

> > are

> > > > > changing these

> > > > > > > remmdies should also change,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers

have

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > opinions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house

the

> > > > > number is 5 but

> > > > > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab

it

> > should

> > > > > be no 2 not

> > > > > > > 5 .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has

any

> > copy

> > > > of

> > > > > those 10

> > > > > > > books published during that time then things will be

much

> > more

> > > > > easier.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raveesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *Warm Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in

Lal

> > > > Kitab

> > > > > Group

> > > > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%

40><lalkitab%

> > 40>

> >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > > > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> > > > > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can

be an

> > > > > online reference

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be

taught

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > form of a

> > > > > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal

Kitab in

> > > > > itself is in

> > > > > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree

themselves

> > on

> > > > > the basic

> > > > > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of

Lal

> > Kitab

> > > > > in Hindi

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is

disputed.

> > > > Unlike

> > > > > classical

> > > > > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal

> > Kitab.

> > > > > Not many

> > > > > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

> > > > understand

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research

material

> > and

> > > > > people who

> > > > > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only

suited to

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab at

> > > > > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system

> > which

> > > > > talks about

> > > > > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc.

and I

> > > > have

> > > > > not seen

> > > > > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these

> > fully.

> > > > > Most of the

> > > > > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited

> > knowledge

> > > > > of Lal

> > > > > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my

opinion,

> > we

> > > > are

> > > > > still few

> > > > > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically

document Lal

> > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > in easy to understand form.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel

> > <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> > > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you

about

> > > > > details on

> > > > > > > below

> > > > > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since

> > long i

> > > > > have been

> > > > > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal

courses on

> > lal

> > > > > kitaab can

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform

> > where

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > > gurus

> > > > > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > Mohit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > > > > > lalkitab@

> > > > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > > > oups.com>

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone

in

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab Group

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to

Parminders

> > > > > concerns. I have

> > > > > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown

reason.

> > > > This

> > > > > mail us

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert

advise to

> > > > > assist in

> > > > > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible.

> > Concerns /

> > > > > Questions

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where

visit

> > > > > available.

> > > > > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

> > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to

seek

> > > > advise.

> > > > > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > > > > > Parm Saini

> > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > > > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> > > > > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > > > > > <lalkitab@

> > > > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > > > oups.com> >

> > > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone

in

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab Group

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the

planet of

> > his

> > > > > kundli will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect

> > understanding of

> > > > > Lal Kitab

> > > > > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab

books.

> > > > > Though I

> > > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal

> > Kiab, but

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > reasoning

> > > > > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect

and

> > > > > should not be

> > > > > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab

> > experts

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep

writing

> > such

> > > > > books due to

> > > > > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another

house.

> > There

> > > > > is no such

> > > > > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all

> > teaching

> > > > > of Lal

> > > > > > > > Kitab.

> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help

from

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some

planet,

> > and

> > > > > removing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working

of

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should

> > stick to

> > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to

complex

> > > > > language used in

> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and

again to

> > > > > understand it.

> > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry

about

> > the

> > > > > post-remedy

> > > > > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based

on the

> > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> > > > > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> > > > > <pammisaggu (AT) (DOT)

> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> > > > > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have

a LAL

> > > > > kitab (Pt.

> > > > > > > > Krishan

> > > > > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone

> > already

> > > > > done some

> > > > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will

come

> > to me

> > > > > or someone

> > > > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i

> > don't

> > > > > know that

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he

changed to

> > > > > improve his

> > > > > > > > status.

> > > > > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be

placed

> > > > after

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > remedy.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

February 19, 2009

Dear Jitin ji,

*You again misinterpreted.* I didn't say that " I don't care about the

origin of lal kitab " . What I said is that " I am not bothered whether

spirituality/ intuition/ divine power is required or not for the creation of

such 'grantha' like Lal Kitab. " I hope you understand the difference. Rest

of your email is based on this misinterpretation and really not making any

sense to me.

Please don't make arguments for the sake of making arguments. You say that

" By the ways, if it wasn't for the divine blessing/intuition power/spiritual

qualities we wouldn't be having this " discussion " today. Now I am claerly

telling that " application " of astrology doesn't require divine blessing/

intuition/ spiritual poswer. Why are you relating this with " discussion " ,

sleeping, eating or any walking. I have not said anything whether diving

blessing is required for discussion or not. We don't want to discuss

miracles but want to discuss Lal Kitab application. Isn't it?

I may be absolutely incorrect, but this is not the right place to discuss

intuition, divine blessings, spiritual powers, jaadu, tona, magic and

totaks. This is the place to discuss Lal Kitab application. *As I mentioned

in my last email, things like intuition, divine blessings, spiritual powers

are hindrance in the systematic learning of astrology. *

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82wrote:

> Dear punit ji,

> Good to see that a learned person like yourself believes in his own

> abilities and capabilities so much so that he does not see the need

> for any other help.

>

> Sir you don't care about the origin of lal kitab, YET want to

> follow/carry research on it. Perhaps that is why you despite of your

> best efforts and knowledge are still not able to " fill the gap " .

> no offence mate but i thought i have the right to express my feelings

> just like you do.

>

> By the ways, if it wasn't for the divine blessing/intuition

> power/spiritual qualities we wouldn't be having this " discussion "

> today.

>

> Good on you

>

> Jitin Syal

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, Punit Pandey

> <punitp wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jitin ji,

> >

> > You got it right. I am exactly saying so. To reiterate, a good

> astrologer

> > DOES NOT need to have some sort of intuition power/divine

> blessing/spiritual

> > quality in order to assist him/her.

> >

> > This statement is related to the application of astrology and not

> origin of

> > astrology. I am not bothered whether spirituality/ intuition/

> divine power

> > is required or not for the creation of such " grantha " like Lal

> Kitab.

> > Originiation is not my problem and we are not going to write a new

> Lal Kitab

> > in this forum. What I am bothered about is the application of the

> rules

> > which are already avaible in the " grantha " like Lal Kitab. And for

> that, I

> > will repeat again that there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED of spirituality/

> divine

> > blessings/ spirual power. I hope I am clear now.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82wrote:

> >

> > > Dear punit ji,

> > > Are you saying that a good astrologer doesn't need to have some

> sort

> > > of intution power/divine blessing/spritiual quality in order to

> > > assist him/her?

> > >

> > > Are you saying astrology is purely calculation and application?

> > >

> > > If yes, then would be kind enough to explain the origin of lal

> kitab

> > > or any other " granth " for that matter.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > jitin syal

> > >

> > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40>,

> Punit Pandey

> > > <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to

> predict

> > > > correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will

> come

> > > out

> > > > correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the

> time ..

> > > > consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method

> to

> > > predict

> > > > past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine

> > > blessings are

> > > > the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves.

> > > Something should

> > > > be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't

> it?

> > > > Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by

> > > introducing all

> > > > these intuition factors.

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive

> > > capabilities. It

> > > > takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin

> of

> > > planets,

> > > > signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in

> > > order to

> > > > predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply

> > > knowledge

> > > > given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and

> > > systematic

> > > > methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and

> > > meditate to

> > > > learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving

> > > blessings/

> > > > intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool

> > > yourself and

> > > > others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial

> meaning of

> > > > 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my

> opinion.

> > > These

> > > > words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of

> > > astrology.

> > > > These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of

> the

> > > so called

> > > > Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that

> stops

> > > further

> > > > research and development.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan <chims45@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > -Dear all,

> > > > > I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

> > > > > If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger,

> > > their

> > > > > wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

> > > > > The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by

> bad

> > > > > period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but

> > > disowned.He

> > > > > would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to

> > > unknown

> > > > > person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion

> would be

> > > > > given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

> > > > > thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will

> appreciate my

> > > > > prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget

> me

> > > for

> > > > > the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

> > > > > Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could

> not

> > > right

> > > > > time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

> > > > > prediction.parihars not performed.

> > > > > Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with

> > > just

> > > > > few calculations(computer like)

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > > madhavan

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40>

> <lalkitab%

> > > 40>, " Asheesh

> > >

> > > > > Mathur " <asheesh.mathur@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition

> and

> > > above

> > > > > > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure

> logical,

> > > they

> > > > > > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> > > > > > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could

> predict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal

> Kitab

> > > one

> > > > > > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May

> be

> > > nature

> > > > > > will prevent him from doing that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the

> case

> > > with

> > > > > > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their

> court.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I

> > > have

> > > > > > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials,

> am

> > > > > unable

> > > > > > to trace him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of

> God ,

> > > > > their

> > > > > > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who

> have

> > > > > > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints

> decided

> > > the

> > > > > > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and

> at

> > > the

> > > > > > last moment tables turned upside down.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls,

> > > intersting

> > > > > > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be

> > > correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > appropriate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Asheesh

> > > > > > lalkitab

<lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40><lalkitab%

>

> > > 40>,

> > > Punit

> > > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Raveesh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing

> > > what is

> > > > > > written

> > > > > > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To

> me, it

> > > > > > really doesn't

> > > > > > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for

> > > 25th

> > > > > > year. What

> > > > > > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now

> it

> > > also

> > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples.

> > > Whether

> > > > > > there were

> > > > > > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move

> > > forward

> > > > > > now. If

> > > > > > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50

> books

> > > as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in

> Y

> > > house

> > > > > > and what

> > > > > > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but

> also

> > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that.

> There

> > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > efforts

> > > > > > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on

> > > Internet

> > > > > > for so

> > > > > > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether

> of

> > > > > > academic nature

> > > > > > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go

> beyond the

> > > > > > books and

> > > > > > > will have to use their reasoning to understand

> application of

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab. And

> > > > > > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical

> > > astrology is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing

> links.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi

> <raveesh_13@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Few things i have come to know .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10

> > > diciples

> > > > > > and 10

> > > > > > > > books were published by him , according to few people

> who

> > > follow

> > > > > > lalkitaab

> > > > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes

> lal

> > > kitaab

> > > > > > is oen of

> > > > > > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of

> astrologers

> > > say

> > > > > > that it has to

> > > > > > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies

> are

> > > based

> > > > > > on old

> > > > > > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment ,

> situations

> > > are

> > > > > > changing these

> > > > > > > > remmdies should also change,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers

> have

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > opinions

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house

> the

> > > > > > number is 5 but

> > > > > > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab

> it

> > > should

> > > > > > be no 2 not

> > > > > > > > 5 .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has

> any

> > > copy

> > > > > of

> > > > > > those 10

> > > > > > > > books published during that time then things will be

> much

> > > more

> > > > > > easier.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raveesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Warm Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in

> Lal

> > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > lalkitab

<lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40><lalkitab%

>

> > > 40>

> > >

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > > > > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> > > > > > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can

> be an

> > > > > > online reference

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be

> taught

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > form of a

> > > > > > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal

> Kitab in

> > > > > > itself is in

> > > > > > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree

> themselves

> > > on

> > > > > > the basic

> > > > > > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of

> Lal

> > > Kitab

> > > > > > in Hindi

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is

> disputed.

> > > > > Unlike

> > > > > > classical

> > > > > > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal

> > > Kitab.

> > > > > > Not many

> > > > > > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research

> material

> > > and

> > > > > > people who

> > > > > > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only

> suited to

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab at

> > > > > > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system

> > > which

> > > > > > talks about

> > > > > > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc.

> and I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > not seen

> > > > > > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these

> > > fully.

> > > > > > Most of the

> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited

> > > knowledge

> > > > > > of Lal

> > > > > > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my

> opinion,

> > > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > still few

> > > > > > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically

> document Lal

> > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > in easy to understand form.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel

> > > <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> > > > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you

> about

> > > > > > details on

> > > > > > > > below

> > > > > > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since

> > > long i

> > > > > > have been

> > > > > > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal

> courses on

> > > lal

> > > > > > kitaab can

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform

> > > where

> > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > gurus

> > > > > > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > Mohit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > > > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > > > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > > > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > > > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > > > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > > > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > > > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > > > > > > lalkitab@

> > > > > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > > > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > > > > oups.com>

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone

> in

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab Group

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > > > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to

> Parminders

> > > > > > concerns. I have

> > > > > > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown

> reason.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > mail us

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert

> advise to

> > > > > > assist in

> > > > > > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible.

> > > Concerns /

> > > > > > Questions

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where

> visit

> > > > > > available.

> > > > > > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

> > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to

> seek

> > > > > advise.

> > > > > > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > > > > > > Parm Saini

> > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > > > > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> > > > > > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitab@

> > > > > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > > > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > > > > oups.com> >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone

> in

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab Group

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the

> planet of

> > > his

> > > > > > kundli will

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect

> > > understanding of

> > > > > > Lal Kitab

> > > > > > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab

> books.

> > > > > > Though I

> > > > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal

> > > Kiab, but

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > reasoning

> > > > > > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect

> and

> > > > > > should not be

> > > > > > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab

> > > experts

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep

> writing

> > > such

> > > > > > books due to

> > > > > > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another

> house.

> > > There

> > > > > > is no such

> > > > > > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all

> > > teaching

> > > > > > of Lal

> > > > > > > > > Kitab.

> > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help

> from

> > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some

> planet,

> > > and

> > > > > > removing

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working

> of

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should

> > > stick to

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to

> complex

> > > > > > language used in

> > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and

> again to

> > > > > > understand it.

> > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry

> about

> > > the

> > > > > > post-remedy

> > > > > > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based

> on the

> > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> > > > > > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> > > > > > <pammisaggu (AT) (DOT)

> > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> > > > > > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have

> a LAL

> > > > > > kitab (Pt.

> > > > > > > > > Krishan

> > > > > > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone

> > > already

> > > > > > done some

> > > > > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will

> come

> > > to me

> > > > > > or someone

> > > > > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i

> > > don't

> > > > > > know that

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he

> changed to

> > > > > > improve his

> > > > > > > > > status.

> > > > > > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be

> placed

> > > > > after

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > remedy.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > > > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

February 19, 2009

Dear punit ji,

saadar namaskaar,

kindly suggest some upaaye

1.i got married in dec 2002,and got divorce in dec2008.

2. in between i lost my mother due to cancer,and my job also.

3.due to above reason my financial position is not well i need money as i own a

old parentral house which has to b repaired time to time and it needs a big

ammount.

4.i m also doing MBA but as i remain 2 busy in office i m unable to give enough

time to studies.

i also want to tell u i hav 2-3 bad habits...A: i take tobaco(pan masala),B. i

also take drinks,C.i attracts towards sex(although i am not feeling proper

errection for almost 3 years i.e after i departed from my 1st wife and daughter)

>>sir by my heart i m very true..plz help me,i m writing this mail 3rd time with

all my expectations to get some upaaye to upgrade my life.

q1.My father's age is arround 80,shud i go for another marriage again.when it

will happen?

q2.I want to construct a big and good home can i do that before marriage?

At present i m working with a small scale industry which manifacture steel drums

My Date of Birth -22-dec-1975

Time of Birth -02:10am

Place of Birth -Lucknow

birth chart details as foll

1 house- ven,rah

2 house-empty

3 house-sun,mer

4 house-empty

5 house-empty

6 house-jup

7 house-ket

8 house-mars

9 house-empty

10 house-sat,moon

11 house-empty

12 house-empty

Sir,plz ans me i m writing with all my expectations with u all learned persons.

Regards

V'jay

________________________________

Punit Pandey <punitp

lalkitab

Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:26:35 PM

Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

Dear Kulbir ji,

My further thought on the agenda for this forum suggests that we should

focus on the application of what is given in Lal Kitab and should not

discuss what is written in Lal Kitab. I mean, we should take case studies &

quizes are explain concepts of Lal Kitab based on that. I think, Internet

has enough of fighting on what is written in Lal Kitab and remedy of X

planet in Y house. We need to grow from there. You have a long association

with Lal Kitab and would appreciate your opinion?

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: