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Hi all member of LK group,

 

I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt. Krishan

Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some remedy by

diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone else then

howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how much remedy

he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his status. Right now where

the planet of his kundli will be placed after that remedy.

 

 

in wait of your reply

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Dear Parminder ji,

 

When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will be

placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I believe

that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the reasoning

given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

ignorance or lack of understanding.

 

One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal Kitab.

Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another planet,

praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing the

mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab remedies

has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it. As

we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

positions in birth chart and year chart.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

http://www.PunitAstrologer.com

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh <pammisagguwrote:

 

> Hi all member of LK group,

>

> I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt. Krishan

> Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some remedy

> by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone else

> then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his status.

> Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that remedy.

>

> in wait of your reply

> parminder saggu

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Parminder ji, the remedy for varshphal is like shooting an arrow

which comes back to the quiver after one year the planets will be

posited as per varshphal for the next year irrespective of the remedy.

But during the current year better ask the native, what upayas he has

done. Kulbir

 

On 2/16/09, parminder singh <pammisaggu wrote:

> Hi all member of LK group,

>

> I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt. Krishan

> Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some remedy

> by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone else

> then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his status.

> Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that remedy.

>

>

> in wait of your reply

> parminder saggu

>

>

>

>

 

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Parminder ji, i totally agree with punit ji. Actually it all started

with pt. Rameshwar chandra shashtri's book and it turned about

astrologers into playing with planets like balls on a snooker table.

Kulbir.

 

On 2/16/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> Parminder ji, the remedy for varshphal is like shooting an arrow

> which comes back to the quiver after one year the planets will be

> posited as per varshphal for the next year irrespective of the remedy.

> But during the current year better ask the native, what upayas he has

> done. Kulbir

>

> On 2/16/09, parminder singh <pammisaggu wrote:

>> Hi all member of LK group,

>>

>> I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt.

>> Krishan

>> Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some

>> remedy

>> by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone

>> else

>> then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

>> much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his

>> status.

>> Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that

>> remedy.

>>

>>

>> in wait of your reply

>> parminder saggu

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

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>

 

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Dear Puneet ji,

Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders concerns. I have always

been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This mail us to all Lal

Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist in exploring Lal Kitab

to the deepest level possible. Concerns / Questions are :

1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit available.

2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

Parm Saini

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp

 

Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

<lalkitab >

Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

 

 

Dear Parminder ji,

 

When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will be

placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I believe

that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the reasoning

given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

ignorance or lack of understanding.

 

One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal Kitab.

Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another planet,

praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing the

mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab remedies

has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it. As

we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

positions in birth chart and year chart.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

http://www.PunitAstrologer.com

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh <pammisagguwrote:

 

> Hi all member of LK group,

>

> I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt. Krishan

> Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some remedy

> by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone else

> then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his status.

> Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that remedy.

>

> in wait of your reply

> parminder saggu

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Parminder,

The predictions and Pariharas(remedies) are Astrologer centred only.

In the Prasna shastra it is said that an astrolger is Deivagna meaning

one who is interpreting the Devine Will.Even when one is doing

remedial measure as per the suggestion of another astrolger and he has

approached a different astrolger he has to observe silence and accept

the new order. He should not intervene in between and say " I have

already done this and that completed- what next I should do " .one who

intervenes in between the predictions and remedial measures will

become fruitless.Even he has done once, he has to do again as his sin

requires some more pariharas only.Thus the second astroleger is right

to point need not bother about previous acts.

 

madhavan

lalkitab , parminder singh <pammisaggu

wrote:

>

> Hi all member of LK group,

>

> I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt.

Krishan Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

done some remedy by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will

come to me or someone else then howcome I will give him/her exact

remedy bec. i don't know that how much remedy he done and how my

astrologer he changed to improve his status. Right now where the

planet of his kundli will be placed after that remedy.

>

>

> in wait of your reply

> parminder saggu

>

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Dear Parm ji,

 

Please see my response below inline in *bold letters*.

 

I would suggest to keep an eye on www.lalkitab.in where I planning to write

on Lal Kitab remedies soon.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:31 AM, <parm wrote:

 

> Dear Puneet ji,

> Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders concerns. I have

> always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This mail us to

> all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist in

> exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns / Questions are

> :

> 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit available.

 

*Lal Kitab is not a name of one single book. There are five books published

during 1939 to 1952 and written by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. One need to read

all those books to understand Lal Kitab in detail. In my opinion 1952

edition is the most exhaustive and must be the first book to be read by all

Lal Kitab enthusiasts. 1952 edition also covers most of the content in other

books. The best transliteration for 1952 edition is avaiable in the form of

" Arun Samhita " , published by Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh.

 

For further reading, I would suggest reading books in following sequence -

 

- 1942 edition (Lal Kitab - Tarmeem Shuda): Hindi transliteration of 1942

edition by Pt. Beni Madhav Goswami is avaialble from Durga Pocket Books.

- 1940 edition (Lal Kitab ke Armaan): Hindi transliteration** by Pt. Beni

Madhav Goswami ** avaialble from Himalaya Publications/ Sagar Publications

- 1941 edition (Lal Kitab - Teesra Hissa, also known as Gutka): Hindi

transliteration by Yograj Prabhakar avaialble from Rahul Computers, Patiala

- 1939 edition (Lal Kitab ke Farmaan): Hindi transliteration** by Pt. Beni

Madhav Goswami ** avaialble from Himalaya Publications/ Sagar Publications.

This is primarily a book on Palmistry aspect of Lal Kitab.

 

Two other recommended books are

- Lal Kitab Prishthabhoomi Aur Vyakhaya by Pt. Krishna Ashant

- Lal Kitab Aur Kashta Nivaran by Sumat Prasad Kalka

 

Both of above books are good, but have some serious shortcomings. For

example, reasoning behing remedies is flawed in both the books. So wherever

these authors are explaining the working of Lal Kitab remedies, those

sections should be ignoed. Also Pt. Ashant book's section of background of

Lal Kitab does not seems to be correct where he questions the authorship of

Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. To say it again, we should use these books with

caution.

*

 

 

>

> 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

 

*Lal Kitab doesn't require a comprehensive software. Though you can use

www.astrosage.com or www.mykundali.com for making Lal Kitab kundli. In my

opinion, any software is good enough, if one has basic understanding of Lal

Kitab.

*

 

>

> 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

 

*Please see this forum's archive and try to figure out yourself. *

 

 

>

> 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

 

*No.

*

 

>

> Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> Parm Saini

> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

>

> Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> <lalkitab >

> Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

>

>

> Dear Parminder ji,

>

> When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will

> be

> placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

> which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I believe

> that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the

> reasoning

> given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

> followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

> understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

> ignorance or lack of understanding.

>

> One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

> magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal

> Kitab.

> Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another planet,

> praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing the

> mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab remedies

> has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

> writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

> Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it. As

> we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

> placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

> positions in birth chart and year chart.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

> http://www.PunitAstrologer.com

>

> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh <pammisaggu

> >wrote:

>

> > Hi all member of LK group,

> >

> > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt.

> Krishan

> > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some

> remedy

> > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone

> else

> > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his

> status.

> > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that

> remedy.

> >

> > in wait of your reply

> > parminder saggu

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Dear Puneetji,

Very well said Puneetji.  Actually what I have understood is that remedial

measures of Lall Kitaab is an old aged measures taken in Rural Areas.  My

maternal Grandappa was also well versed with this and sometime my mother also

says for doing certain remedy in some special cases whereas she did not read any

book. May be she has gathered certain clues from her father.  And if shifting of

planets is possible why not all practising astrologer of Lal Kitaab could become

King.  You have very well said that to nullify the effects of bad planets  some

methods like taking help from another planet, praying a planet, trying to reduce

affect of some planet, and removing the mansui planet from the root of a planet

etc. are taken.  It is just that you, in a scortching heat, are putting a fan,

cooller or AC in your room and can have the feeling of reprieve without going to

any Hill Station.

 

With regards

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" parm " <parm

lalkitab

Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

 

Dear Puneet ji,

Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders concerns. I have always

been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This mail us to all Lal

Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist in exploring Lal Kitab

to the deepest level possible. Concerns / Questions are :

1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit available.

2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

4.. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

Parm Saini

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp

 

Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

<lalkitab >

Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

 

 

Dear Parminder ji,

 

When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will be

placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I believe

that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the reasoning

given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

ignorance or lack of understanding.

 

One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal Kitab.

Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another planet,

praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing the

mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab remedies

has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it. As

we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

positions in birth chart and year chart.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

http://www.PunitAstrologer.com

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh <pammisagguwrote:

 

>  Hi all member of LK group,

>

> I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt. Krishan

> Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some remedy

> by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone else

> then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his status.

> Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that remedy.

>

> in wait of your reply

> parminder saggu

>

> 

>

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Punit Pandey Ji

Jaya Siyaa Raam

 

You write that " Lal Kitab doesn't require a comprehensive software.

Though you can use www.astrosage.com or www.mykundali.com for making

Lal Kitab kundli. In my opinion, any software is good enough, if one

has basic understanding of Lal Kitab. "

 

But I have read somewhere that " In LK there are too many ways to make

Kundalee, it can be through your house, from your date of marriage,

from birth of your male child etc, there is one more method, where

you can not find your date of birth but year will help you a lot in

getting remedies for present or future. "

 

Vaidik astrology stresses on birth details (date of birth, place of

birth and time of Birth), then how the above written details can be

adjusted while using a Vaidik style software?

 

Thanks and regards

Sushma

 

 

lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Parm ji,

>

> Please see my response below inline in *bold letters*.

>

> I would suggest to keep an eye on www.lalkitab.in where I planning

to write

> on Lal Kitab remedies soon.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:31 AM, <parm wrote:

>

> > Dear Puneet ji,

> > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

concerns. I have

> > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This

mail us to

> > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist

in

> > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

Questions are

> > :

> > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

available.

>

> *Lal Kitab is not a name of one single book. There are five books

published

> during 1939 to 1952 and written by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. One need

to read

> all those books to understand Lal Kitab in detail. In my opinion

1952

> edition is the most exhaustive and must be the first book to be

read by all

> Lal Kitab enthusiasts. 1952 edition also covers most of the content

in other

> books. The best transliteration for 1952 edition is avaiable in the

form of

> " Arun Samhita " , published by Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh.

>

> For further reading, I would suggest reading books in following

sequence -

>

> - 1942 edition (Lal Kitab - Tarmeem Shuda): Hindi transliteration

of 1942

> edition by Pt. Beni Madhav Goswami is avaialble from Durga Pocket

Books.

> - 1940 edition (Lal Kitab ke Armaan): Hindi transliteration** by

Pt. Beni

> Madhav Goswami ** avaialble from Himalaya Publications/ Sagar

Publications

> - 1941 edition (Lal Kitab - Teesra Hissa, also known as Gutka):

Hindi

> transliteration by Yograj Prabhakar avaialble from Rahul Computers,

Patiala

> - 1939 edition (Lal Kitab ke Farmaan): Hindi transliteration** by

Pt. Beni

> Madhav Goswami ** avaialble from Himalaya Publications/ Sagar

Publications.

> This is primarily a book on Palmistry aspect of Lal Kitab.

>

> Two other recommended books are

> - Lal Kitab Prishthabhoomi Aur Vyakhaya by Pt. Krishna Ashant

> - Lal Kitab Aur Kashta Nivaran by Sumat Prasad Kalka

>

> Both of above books are good, but have some serious shortcomings.

For

> example, reasoning behing remedies is flawed in both the books. So

wherever

> these authors are explaining the working of Lal Kitab remedies,

those

> sections should be ignoed. Also Pt. Ashant book's section of

background of

> Lal Kitab does not seems to be correct where he questions the

authorship of

> Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. To say it again, we should use these books

with

> caution.

> *

>

>

> >

> > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

>

> *Lal Kitab doesn't require a comprehensive software. Though you can

use

> www.astrosage.com or www.mykundali.com for making Lal Kitab kundli.

In my

> opinion, any software is good enough, if one has basic

understanding of Lal

> Kitab.

> *

>

> >

> > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

>

> *Please see this forum's archive and try to figure out yourself. *

>

>

> >

> > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

>

> *No.

> *

>

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Dear Sushma ji,

 

Astrology software are good only for generating kundli for planetary

positions. Software like astrosage.com, can generate birth chart, year

chart, month chart, day chart etc. which are based on mathematics.

 

Makaan kundli and palm kundli can not be generated by software, so we have

to rely on astrologer for that work. Theoretically it is possible but very

very difficult for a software program. These kundli are not based on

calculation, but primarily based on observations and hence software are not

much useful here. Having said that, birth chart and year chart are among the

most important charts and that can be generated with quite a few software,

AstroSage.com is my favorite though :-)

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Sushma Gupta <sushmajee wrote:

 

> Dear Shri Punit Pandey Ji

> Jaya Siyaa Raam

>

> You write that " Lal Kitab doesn't require a comprehensive software.

> Though you can use www.astrosage.com or www.mykundali.com for making

> Lal Kitab kundli. In my opinion, any software is good enough, if one

> has basic understanding of Lal Kitab. "

>

> But I have read somewhere that " In LK there are too many ways to make

> Kundalee, it can be through your house, from your date of marriage,

> from birth of your male child etc, there is one more method, where

> you can not find your date of birth but year will help you a lot in

> getting remedies for present or future. "

>

> Vaidik astrology stresses on birth details (date of birth, place of

> birth and time of Birth), then how the above written details can be

> adjusted while using a Vaidik style software?

>

> Thanks and regards

> Sushma

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, Punit Pandey

> <punitp wrote:

> >

> > Dear Parm ji,

> >

> > Please see my response below inline in *bold letters*.

> >

> > I would suggest to keep an eye on www.lalkitab.in where I planning

> to write

> > on Lal Kitab remedies soon.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:31 AM, <parm wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> concerns. I have

> > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This

> mail us to

> > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist

> in

> > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

> Questions are

> > > :

> > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> available.

> >

> > *Lal Kitab is not a name of one single book. There are five books

> published

> > during 1939 to 1952 and written by Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. One need

> to read

> > all those books to understand Lal Kitab in detail. In my opinion

> 1952

> > edition is the most exhaustive and must be the first book to be

> read by all

> > Lal Kitab enthusiasts. 1952 edition also covers most of the content

> in other

> > books. The best transliteration for 1952 edition is avaiable in the

> form of

> > " Arun Samhita " , published by Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh.

> >

> > For further reading, I would suggest reading books in following

> sequence -

> >

> > - 1942 edition (Lal Kitab - Tarmeem Shuda): Hindi transliteration

> of 1942

> > edition by Pt. Beni Madhav Goswami is avaialble from Durga Pocket

> Books.

> > - 1940 edition (Lal Kitab ke Armaan): Hindi transliteration** by

> Pt. Beni

> > Madhav Goswami ** avaialble from Himalaya Publications/ Sagar

> Publications

> > - 1941 edition (Lal Kitab - Teesra Hissa, also known as Gutka):

> Hindi

> > transliteration by Yograj Prabhakar avaialble from Rahul Computers,

> Patiala

> > - 1939 edition (Lal Kitab ke Farmaan): Hindi transliteration** by

> Pt. Beni

> > Madhav Goswami ** avaialble from Himalaya Publications/ Sagar

> Publications.

> > This is primarily a book on Palmistry aspect of Lal Kitab.

> >

> > Two other recommended books are

> > - Lal Kitab Prishthabhoomi Aur Vyakhaya by Pt. Krishna Ashant

> > - Lal Kitab Aur Kashta Nivaran by Sumat Prasad Kalka

> >

> > Both of above books are good, but have some serious shortcomings.

> For

> > example, reasoning behing remedies is flawed in both the books. So

> wherever

> > these authors are explaining the working of Lal Kitab remedies,

> those

> > sections should be ignoed. Also Pt. Ashant book's section of

> background of

> > Lal Kitab does not seems to be correct where he questions the

> authorship of

> > Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. To say it again, we should use these books

> with

> > caution.

> > *

> >

> >

> > >

> > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

> >

> > *Lal Kitab doesn't require a comprehensive software. Though you can

> use

> > www.astrosage.com or www.mykundali.com for making Lal Kitab kundli.

> In my

> > opinion, any software is good enough, if one has basic

> understanding of Lal

> > Kitab.

> > *

> >

> > >

> > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

> >

> > *Please see this forum's archive and try to figure out yourself. *

> >

> >

> > >

> > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> >

> > *No.

> > *

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Puneet ji

 

i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about details on below

questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i have been wishing

if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal kitaab can be conducted

for learners and to start a school /platform where learned gurus of LK can

enlightned the new comers

 

regards

Mohit

 

 

 

 

" parm " <parm

lalkitab

Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

 

Dear Puneet ji,

Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders concerns. I have always

been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This mail us to all Lal

Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist in exploring Lal Kitab

to the deepest level possible. Concerns / Questions are :

1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit available.

2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

Parm Saini

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp

 

Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

<lalkitab >

Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

 

 

Dear Parminder ji,

 

When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will be

placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I believe

that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the reasoning

given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

ignorance or lack of understanding.

 

One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal Kitab.

Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another planet,

praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing the

mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab remedies

has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it. As

we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

positions in birth chart and year chart.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

http://www.PunitAstrologer.com

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh <pammisagguwrote:

 

>  Hi all member of LK group,

>

> I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt. Krishan

> Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some remedy

> by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone else

> then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his status.

> Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that remedy.

>

> in wait of your reply

> parminder saggu

>

> 

>

 

 

 

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Dear Mohit ji,

 

I have documented response to Saini ji at

http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/, which can be an online reference

for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

 

Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in the form of a

formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in itself is in

research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on the basic

principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab in Hindi is

under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed. Unlike classical

astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab. Not many

practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to understand it

properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and people who

want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal Kitab at

this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which talks about

palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I have not seen

even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully. Most of the

Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge of Lal

Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we are still few

years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal Kitab knowledge

in easy to understand form.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg wrote:

 

> Dear Puneet ji

>

> i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about details on below

> questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i have been

> wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal kitaab can be

> conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where learned gurus

> of LK can enlightned the new comers

>

> regards

> Mohit

>

>

> " parm <parm%40citizenglobal.co.uk> " <

> parm <parm%40citizenglobal.co.uk>>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

> Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

>

> Dear Puneet ji,

> Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders concerns. I have

> always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This mail us to

> all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist in

> exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns / Questions are

> :

> 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit available.

> 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

> 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

> 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> Parm Saini

> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp <punitp%40gmail.com>>

>

> Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> <lalkitab <lalkitab%40>>

> Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

>

> Dear Parminder ji,

>

> When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will

> be

> placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

> which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I believe

> that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the

> reasoning

> given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

> followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

> understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

> ignorance or lack of understanding.

>

> One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

> magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal

> Kitab.

> Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another planet,

> praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing the

> mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab remedies

> has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

> writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

> Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it. As

> we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

> placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

> positions in birth chart and year chart.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

> http://www.PunitAstrologer.com

>

> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

<pammisaggu<pammisaggu%40>

> >wrote:

>

> > Hi all member of LK group,

> >

> > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt.

> Krishan

> > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some

> remedy

> > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone

> else

> > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his

> status.

> > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that

> remedy.

> >

> > in wait of your reply

> > parminder saggu

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Few things i have come to know .

 

1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples and 10 books

were published by him , according to few people who follow lalkitaab theory.

 

2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab is oen of the

most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the right knowledge then

it helps, but another group of astrologers say that it has to undergo changes in

remedies as most of these remedies are based on old concepts and with new thinsg

and environment , situations are changing these remmdies should also change,

 

Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have different opinions

 

in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the number is 5 but

according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should be no 2 not 5 .

 

Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy of those 10 books

published during that time then things will be much more easier.

 

Raveesh

 

 

 

 

Warm Regards

 

Raveesh Kumar Sethi

 

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp

Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

lalkitab

Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mohit ji,

 

I have documented response to Saini ji at

http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro logy/, which can be an online reference

for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

 

Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in the form of a

formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in itself is in

research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on the basic

principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab in Hindi is

under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed. Unlike classical

astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab. Not many

practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to understand it

properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and people who

want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal Kitab at

this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which talks about

palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I have not seen

even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully. Most of the

Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge of Lal

Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we are still few

years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal Kitab knowledge

in easy to understand form.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg > wrote:

 

> Dear Puneet ji

>

> i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about details on below

> questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i have been

> wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal kitaab can be

> conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where learned gurus

> of LK can enlightned the new comers

>

> regards

> Mohit

>

>

> " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT) co.uk <parm%40citizenglob al.co.uk> " <

> parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT) co.uk <parm%40citizenglob al.co.uk> >

> lalkitab@ s.com <lalkitab%40gr oups.com>

> Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

>

> Dear Puneet ji,

> Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders concerns. I have

> always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This mail us to

> all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist in

> exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns / Questions are

> :

> 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit available.

> 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

> 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

> 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> Parm Saini

> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com <punitp%40gmail. com>>

>

> Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> <lalkitab@ s.com <lalkitab%40gr oups.com> >

> Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

>

> Dear Parminder ji,

>

> When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will

> be

> placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

> which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I believe

> that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the

> reasoning

> given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

> followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

> understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

> ignorance or lack of understanding.

>

> One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

> magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal

> Kitab.

> Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another planet,

> praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing the

> mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab remedies

> has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

> writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

> Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it. As

> we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

> placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

> positions in birth chart and year chart.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

> http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

>

> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh <pammisaggu (AT) (DOT)

com<pammisaggu% 40>

> >wrote:

>

> > Hi all member of LK group,

> >

> > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt.

> Krishan

> > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some

> remedy

> > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone

> else

> > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that how

> > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his

> status.

> > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that

> remedy.

> >

> > in wait of your reply

> > parminder saggu

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Dear Raveesh ji,

 

This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is written

in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it really doesn't

matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th year. What

matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also doesn't

matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether there were

10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward now. If

we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as well.

 

Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house and what

will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also doesn't

matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is no efforts

in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet for so

long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of academic nature

on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the books and

will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal Kitab. And

for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is a must

because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13 wrote:

 

>

> To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

>

> Few things i have come to know .

>

> 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples and 10

> books were published by him , according to few people who follow lalkitaab

> theory.

>

> 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab is oen of

> the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the right

> knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say that it has to

> undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based on old

> concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are changing these

> remmdies should also change,

>

> Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have different

> opinions

>

> in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the number is 5 but

> according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should be no 2 not

> 5 .

>

> Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy of those 10

> books published during that time then things will be much more easier.

>

> Raveesh

>

>

>

> *Warm Regards

>

> Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

>

>

> --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

>

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

> Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

> lalkitab

> Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

>

> Dear Mohit ji,

>

> I have documented response to Saini ji at

> http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an online

reference

>

> for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

>

> Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in the form of a

> formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in itself is in

> research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on the basic

> principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab in Hindi

> is

> under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed. Unlike classical

> astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab. Not many

> practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to understand it

> properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and people who

> want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal Kitab at

> this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which talks about

> palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I have not seen

> even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully. Most of the

> Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge of Lal

> Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we are still few

> years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal Kitab

> knowledge

> in easy to understand form.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%40>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Puneet ji

> >

> > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about details on

> below

> > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i have been

> > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal kitaab can

> be

> > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where learned

> gurus

> > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> >

> > regards

> > Mohit

> >

> >

> > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%40citizenglobal.co.uk><p\

arm%40citizenglob

> al.co.uk> " <

> > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%40citizenglobal.co.uk><p\

arm%40citizenglob

> al.co.uk> >

> > lalkitab@

s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%40><l\

alkitab%40gr

> oups.com>

> > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

> >

> > Dear Puneet ji,

> > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders concerns. I have

> > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This mail us

> to

> > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to assist in

> > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns / Questions

> are

> > :

> > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit available.

> > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

> > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

> > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > Parm Saini

> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%40gmail.com><punitp%40gm\

ail. com>>

> >

> > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > <lalkitab@

s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%40><l\

alkitab%40gr

> oups.com> >

> > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

> >

> > Dear Parminder ji,

> >

> > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his kundli will

> > be

> > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of Lal Kitab

> > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books. Though I

> believe

> > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but the

> > reasoning

> > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and should not be

> > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts don't

> > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such books due to

> > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> >

> > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There is no such

> > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching of Lal

> > Kitab.

> > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from another

> planet,

> > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and removing

> the

> > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal Kitab

> remedies

> > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to what is

> > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex language used in

> > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to understand it.

> As

> > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the post-remedy

> > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the planetary

> > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> >

> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh <pammisaggu (AT) (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=pammisaggu%40><pammisa\

ggu%

> 40>

> > >wrote:

> >

> > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > >

> > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL kitab (Pt.

> > Krishan

> > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already done some

> > remedy

> > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me or someone

> > else

> > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't know that

> how

> > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to improve his

> > status.

> > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after that

> > remedy.

> > >

> > > in wait of your reply

> > > parminder saggu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Dear All,

Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

 

Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

 

A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

only if he's destined to do get benefit.

 

Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

will prevent him from doing that.

 

Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

 

I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am unable

to trace him.

 

Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God , their

bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

access to CR reveal it prematurely.

 

Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

last moment tables turned upside down.

 

Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

 

 

This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct or

appropriate.

 

Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

 

 

Thanks

Asheesh

lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Raveesh ji,

>

> This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

written

> in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

really doesn't

> matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

year. What

> matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

doesn't

> matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

there were

> 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

now. If

> we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

well.

>

> Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

and what

> will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

doesn't

> matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is no

efforts

> in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

for so

> long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

academic nature

> on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

books and

> will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

Kitab. And

> for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is a

must

> because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13

wrote:

>

> >

> > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> >

> > Few things i have come to know .

> >

> > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

and 10

> > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

lalkitaab

> > theory.

> >

> > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

is oen of

> > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

right

> > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

that it has to

> > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

on old

> > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

changing these

> > remmdies should also change,

> >

> > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

different

> > opinions

> >

> > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

number is 5 but

> > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

be no 2 not

> > 5 .

> >

> > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy of

those 10

> > books published during that time then things will be much more

easier.

> >

> > Raveesh

> >

> >

> >

> > *Warm Regards

> >

> > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> >

> >

> > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp

> > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab

Group

> > lalkitab

> > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> >

> > Dear Mohit ji,

> >

> > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

online reference

> >

> > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> >

> > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in the

form of a

> > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

itself is in

> > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

the basic

> > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

in Hindi

> > is

> > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed. Unlike

classical

> > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

Not many

> > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to understand

it

> > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

people who

> > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

Kitab at

> > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

talks about

> > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I have

not seen

> > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

Most of the

> > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

of Lal

> > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we are

still few

> > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal Kitab

> > knowledge

> > in easy to understand form.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

40>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Puneet ji

> > >

> > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

details on

> > below

> > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

have been

> > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

kitaab can

> > be

> > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

learned

> > gurus

> > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Mohit

> > >

> > >

> > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > al.co.uk> " <

> > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > al.co.uk> >

> > > lalkitab@

s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

40><lalkitab%40gr

> > oups.com>

> > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

Kitab Group

> > >

> > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

concerns. I have

> > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This

mail us

> > to

> > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

assist in

> > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

Questions

> > are

> > > :

> > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

available.

> > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

> > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

> > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > Parm Saini

> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > >

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > >

> > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > <lalkitab@

s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

40><lalkitab%40gr

> > oups.com> >

> > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

Kitab Group

> > >

> > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > >

> > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

kundli will

> > > be

> > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

Lal Kitab

> > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

Though I

> > believe

> > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

the

> > > reasoning

> > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

should not be

> > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

don't

> > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

books due to

> > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > >

> > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

is no such

> > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

of Lal

> > > Kitab.

> > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

another

> > planet,

> > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

removing

> > the

> > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

Kitab

> > remedies

> > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

what is

> > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

language used in

> > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

understand it.

> > As

> > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

post-remedy

> > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

planetary

> > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

<http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > >

> > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

<pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > 40>

> > > >wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > >

> > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

kitab (Pt.

> > > Krishan

> > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

done some

> > > remedy

> > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

or someone

> > > else

> > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

know that

> > how

> > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

improve his

> > > status.

> > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after

that

> > > remedy.

> > > >

> > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > parminder saggu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Asheesh ji & Friends,

 

There are various ways of seeing it. According to me, if we cannot

statistically measure success of a system, it simply means it doesn't work.

When we are discussing and learning any system, we should not bring

intuition factor - irrespective of that is true or not. The concepts like

intuition, meditation, divine power, blessings etc. are not in favor of

systematic learning and research. If intuition, meditation, divine power,

blessings etc. would have been true, there was no need of writing so many

books on astrology.

 

I request everybody that let us forget all these in favor of systematic

learning and move on.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Asheesh Mathur <asheesh.mathurwrote:

 

> Dear All,

> Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

> all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

>

> Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

> are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

>

> A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

> only if he's destined to do get benefit.

>

> Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

> will prevent him from doing that.

>

> Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

> Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

>

> I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

> seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am unable

> to trace him.

>

> Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God , their

> bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> access to CR reveal it prematurely.

>

> Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

> auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

> last moment tables turned upside down.

>

> Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

>

> This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

> threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct or

> appropriate.

>

> Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

>

> Thanks

> Asheesh

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, Punit Pandey

> <punitp wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raveesh ji,

> >

> > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

> written

> > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> really doesn't

> > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

> year. What

> > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

> doesn't

> > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

> there were

> > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

> now. If

> > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

> well.

> >

> > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

> and what

> > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> doesn't

> > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is no

> efforts

> > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

> for so

> > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> academic nature

> > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> books and

> > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

> Kitab. And

> > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is a

> must

> > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > >

> > > Few things i have come to know .

> > >

> > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

> and 10

> > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

> lalkitaab

> > > theory.

> > >

> > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

> is oen of

> > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

> right

> > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

> that it has to

> > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

> on old

> > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

> changing these

> > > remmdies should also change,

> > >

> > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> different

> > > opinions

> > >

> > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> number is 5 but

> > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

> be no 2 not

> > > 5 .

> > >

> > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy of

> those 10

> > > books published during that time then things will be much more

> easier.

> > >

> > > Raveesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > *Warm Regards

> > >

> > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp

> > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab

> Group

> > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

> > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > >

> > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> online reference

> > >

> > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in the

> form of a

> > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> itself is in

> > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

> the basic

> > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

> in Hindi

> > > is

> > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed. Unlike

> classical

> > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

> Not many

> > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to understand

> it

> > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

> people who

> > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

> Kitab at

> > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

> talks about

> > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I have

> not seen

> > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

> Most of the

> > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

> of Lal

> > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we are

> still few

> > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal Kitab

> > > knowledge

> > > in easy to understand form.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> 40>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > >

> > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> details on

> > > below

> > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

> have been

> > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

> kitaab can

> > > be

> > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

> learned

> > > gurus

> > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > Mohit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > lalkitab@

> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> 40><lalkitab%40gr

>

> > > oups.com>

> > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> Kitab Group

> > > >

> > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> concerns. I have

> > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This

> mail us

> > > to

> > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> assist in

> > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

> Questions

> > > are

> > > > :

> > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> available.

> > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

> > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

> > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > Parm Saini

> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > <lalkitab@

> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > oups.com> >

> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> Kitab Group

> > > >

> > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > >

> > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

> kundli will

> > > > be

> > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

> Lal Kitab

> > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> Though I

> > > believe

> > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

> the

> > > > reasoning

> > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> should not be

> > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

> don't

> > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

> books due to

> > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > >

> > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

> is no such

> > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

> of Lal

> > > > Kitab.

> > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> another

> > > planet,

> > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

> removing

> > > the

> > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

> Kitab

> > > remedies

> > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

> what is

> > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> language used in

> > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> understand it.

> > > As

> > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

> post-remedy

> > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> planetary

> > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

>

> > > 40>

> > > > >wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> kitab (Pt.

> > > > Krishan

> > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

> done some

> > > > remedy

> > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

> or someone

> > > > else

> > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

> know that

> > > how

> > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> improve his

> > > > status.

> > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after

> that

> > > > remedy.

> > > > >

> > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Asheesh ji and Punit ji,

 

 

 

With due respect to all participating members of the forum and with their

kind consent, I would like to take the liberty to say that no one should be

offended and no feelings should be hurt in an open discussion where review

of any expressed thought is a step towards exploring the unknown or

unresolved. So more the discussions, more the opinions, more view points and

better and healthy would be the discussion.

 

Punit ji, Thank you very much for your comments on the mail from Mr.

Asheesh. Ashish ji, before I disagree I want to pick up a couple of view

points from your mail for you to explain your view point for better

understanding of the contents by new members like me.

 

Listed below are few of statements from your mail:

 

1. Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic facilitation.

 

2. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

 

3. Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and

above all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

 

4. Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court

 

5. Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the last

moment tables turned upside down.

 

With no prejudice and no offence to any Religion or Guru / religion, I

would request you to please reply to following questions in the light of

above five statements:

 

1. Before Science could cure heart diseases, skin diseases, cancer it

was all considered as curse and result of the sin we had done in our lives

but it is a perfect science today applicable to good and bad equally. Then

why not astrological treatments / remedies be treated as a perfect science.

Dr. S K Chakrvarti rightly commented in his mail dated 17.02.09 that our

knowledge of science is limited and we should not brand everything under

supernatural / superstition if it cannot be analyzed on the basis of

presently known laws of science.

 

2. If computer programs can make a horoscope today and software

packages can make calculations, I do not feel the day is far when computer

softwares could predict based on the their data base to the extent of

planning your day in the mail every morning. Everything takes time but

software developments are happening at an unbelievable pace and nothing

seems impossible. If my Grandfather would not have even assumed computer

making a horoscope on the click of a button, then my grandson might confine

his consultation to any advanced software for this purpose.

 

3. Predictions require HIS blessings (pt 3 above), Lord Ram was

himself GOD then why did God himself not had his own blessings. Why did the

things not go in Lord Rama's favor or to be more appropriate why did the

things move against him then. To my opinion, it is just because astrology

governed life of Lord Rama as good or as bad as life of any other ordinary

man on earth. Planetary positions at the time of his birth or his Varshaphal

had same impact as they would have had on any other person.

 

4. In point five I disagree with you saying that saints decided the

auspicious Mahurat, still table turned upside down at the last minute. If

the time selected was auspicious, nothing inauspicious could have happened.

For some reason it was not an auspicious time, perhaps these saints might

have ignored some parameters while making their calculations or these

parameters were not within their reach.

 

Going beyond the topic, history has hundreds of events describing touch

therapy from God's Son Jesus Christ to the latest prophet Sai Baba. It was

all considered to be HIS blessing till the time Acupressure and Magnetic

therapy reached common man. Who knows any further advancements in these

sciences could address most critical diseases on earth.

 

I would like to be pardoned for making all these extreme comments but the

intent is to understand what perception my fellow members hold to it so the

mystery is resolved.

 

I fully agree to Punjeet ji's point of view that it is a perfect science

based on calculations and has its own statistical measurements and

performance indicators. Any element of unseen or unknown if gets into this

debate will do no good than making the subject vague and prone to subjective

/ controversial decisions ending up in confusing the subject more. Anything

and everything is a perfect science and can be explained through a theory in

science today or tomorrow. Quantum Physics has explained a lot of it any

way.

 

But discussions is interesting, let us carry on without thinking before we

write. Thank you all the participants for sparing time to give your own

valuable comments.

 

Parminder

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab [lalkitab ] On Behalf

Of Punit Pandey

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:32 PM

lalkitab

Re: Fwd: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

 

 

 

Dear Asheesh ji & Friends,

 

There are various ways of seeing it. According to me, if we cannot

statistically measure success of a system, it simply means it doesn't work.

When we are discussing and learning any system, we should not bring

intuition factor - irrespective of that is true or not. The concepts like

intuition, meditation, divine power, blessings etc. are not in favor of

systematic learning and research. If intuition, meditation, divine power,

blessings etc. would have been true, there was no need of writing so many

books on astrology.

 

I request everybody that let us forget all these in favor of systematic

learning and move on.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Asheesh Mathur <asheesh.mathur

<asheesh.mathur%40gmail.com> >wrote:

 

> Dear All,

> Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

> all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

>

> Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

> are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

>

> A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

> only if he's destined to do get benefit.

>

> Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

> will prevent him from doing that.

>

> Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

> Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

>

> I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

> seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am unable

> to trace him.

>

> Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God , their

> bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> access to CR reveal it prematurely.

>

> Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

> auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

> last moment tables turned upside down.

>

> Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

>

> This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

> threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct or

> appropriate.

>

> Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

>

> Thanks

> Asheesh

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

<lalkitab%40>, Punit Pandey

> <punitp wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raveesh ji,

> >

> > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

> written

> > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> really doesn't

> > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

> year. What

> > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

> doesn't

> > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

> there were

> > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

> now. If

> > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

> well.

> >

> > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

> and what

> > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> doesn't

> > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is no

> efforts

> > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

> for so

> > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> academic nature

> > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> books and

> > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

> Kitab. And

> > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is a

> must

> > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > >

> > > Few things i have come to know .

> > >

> > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

> and 10

> > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

> lalkitaab

> > > theory.

> > >

> > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

> is oen of

> > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

> right

> > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

> that it has to

> > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

> on old

> > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

> changing these

> > > remmdies should also change,

> > >

> > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> different

> > > opinions

> > >

> > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> number is 5 but

> > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

> be no 2 not

> > > 5 .

> > >

> > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy of

> those 10

> > > books published during that time then things will be much more

> easier.

> > >

> > > Raveesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > *Warm Regards

> > >

> > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp

> > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab

> Group

> > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

<lalkitab%40>

> > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > >

> > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> online reference

> > >

> > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in the

> form of a

> > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> itself is in

> > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

> the basic

> > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

> in Hindi

> > > is

> > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed. Unlike

> classical

> > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

> Not many

> > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to understand

> it

> > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

> people who

> > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

> Kitab at

> > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

> talks about

> > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I have

> not seen

> > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

> Most of the

> > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

> of Lal

> > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we are

> still few

> > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal Kitab

> > > knowledge

> > > in easy to understand form.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%25>

> 40>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > >

> > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> details on

> > > below

> > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

> have been

> > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

> kitaab can

> > > be

> > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

> learned

> > > gurus

> > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > Mohit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%25>

> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%25>

> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > lalkitab@

> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%25>

> 40><lalkitab%40gr

>

> > > oups.com>

> > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> Kitab Group

> > > >

> > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> concerns. I have

> > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This

> mail us

> > > to

> > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> assist in

> > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

> Questions

> > > are

> > > > :

> > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> available.

> > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

> > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

> > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > Parm Saini

> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%25>

> 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > <lalkitab@

> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%25>

> 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > oups.com> >

> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> Kitab Group

> > > >

> > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > >

> > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

> kundli will

> > > > be

> > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

> Lal Kitab

> > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> Though I

> > > believe

> > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

> the

> > > > reasoning

> > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> should not be

> > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

> don't

> > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

> books due to

> > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > >

> > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

> is no such

> > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

> of Lal

> > > > Kitab.

> > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> another

> > > planet,

> > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

> removing

> > > the

> > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

> Kitab

> > > remedies

> > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

> what is

> > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> language used in

> > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> understand it.

> > > As

> > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

> post-remedy

> > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> planetary

> > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

>

> > > 40>

> > > > >wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> kitab (Pt.

> > > > Krishan

> > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

> done some

> > > > remedy

> > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

> or someone

> > > > else

> > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

> know that

> > > how

> > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> improve his

> > > > status.

> > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after

> that

> > > > remedy.

> > > > >

> > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Parminder ji, if lord Ram was not sent to exile no one would have

remembered him until now. Ever wondered why the period was fixed for

14 years. He could had been exiled for life. The maharishis had some

great purpose in mind than mere coronation muhurat. Secondly Guru

Gobind Singh found Madho Das bairagi a sanyasi at nanded and converted

a sanyasi into such a general that he altered the course of history.

Why did Guruji preferred a sanyasi while he had many battle hardened

soldiers at his disposal. Even Jesus said once lord why had thee

forsaken me but the next momment he begged pardon for his tormentors.

Then lord buddha and mahavir opposed idol worship and largest and

maximum statues are of them. How could maharishis decipher knowledge

about planets without any instruments. Many many such questions fumble

the mind. Lalkitab advocates rules for an upright life laying heavy

emphasis on karma theory. If ever as per ur prediction softwares will

produce accurate predictions, then the time of death will be told to

the person at the time of his birth. How will it effect human

behaviour is anybody's guess.

 

On 2/18/09, Parminder Singh <parm wrote:

> Dear Asheesh ji and Punit ji,

>

>

>

> With due respect to all participating members of the forum and with their

> kind consent, I would like to take the liberty to say that no one should be

> offended and no feelings should be hurt in an open discussion where review

> of any expressed thought is a step towards exploring the unknown or

> unresolved. So more the discussions, more the opinions, more view points and

> better and healthy would be the discussion.

>

> Punit ji, Thank you very much for your comments on the mail from Mr.

> Asheesh. Ashish ji, before I disagree I want to pick up a couple of view

> points from your mail for you to explain your view point for better

> understanding of the contents by new members like me.

>

> Listed below are few of statements from your mail:

>

> 1. Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

> are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic facilitation.

>

> 2. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

>

> 3. Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and

> above all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

>

> 4. Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

> Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court

>

> 5. Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

> auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the last

> moment tables turned upside down.

>

> With no prejudice and no offence to any Religion or Guru / religion, I

> would request you to please reply to following questions in the light of

> above five statements:

>

> 1. Before Science could cure heart diseases, skin diseases, cancer it

> was all considered as curse and result of the sin we had done in our lives

> but it is a perfect science today applicable to good and bad equally. Then

> why not astrological treatments / remedies be treated as a perfect science.

> Dr. S K Chakrvarti rightly commented in his mail dated 17.02.09 that our

> knowledge of science is limited and we should not brand everything under

> supernatural / superstition if it cannot be analyzed on the basis of

> presently known laws of science.

>

> 2. If computer programs can make a horoscope today and software

> packages can make calculations, I do not feel the day is far when computer

> softwares could predict based on the their data base to the extent of

> planning your day in the mail every morning. Everything takes time but

> software developments are happening at an unbelievable pace and nothing

> seems impossible. If my Grandfather would not have even assumed computer

> making a horoscope on the click of a button, then my grandson might confine

> his consultation to any advanced software for this purpose.

>

> 3. Predictions require HIS blessings (pt 3 above), Lord Ram was

> himself GOD then why did God himself not had his own blessings. Why did the

> things not go in Lord Rama's favor or to be more appropriate why did the

> things move against him then. To my opinion, it is just because astrology

> governed life of Lord Rama as good or as bad as life of any other ordinary

> man on earth. Planetary positions at the time of his birth or his Varshaphal

> had same impact as they would have had on any other person.

>

> 4. In point five I disagree with you saying that saints decided the

> auspicious Mahurat, still table turned upside down at the last minute. If

> the time selected was auspicious, nothing inauspicious could have happened.

> For some reason it was not an auspicious time, perhaps these saints might

> have ignored some parameters while making their calculations or these

> parameters were not within their reach.

>

> Going beyond the topic, history has hundreds of events describing touch

> therapy from God's Son Jesus Christ to the latest prophet Sai Baba. It was

> all considered to be HIS blessing till the time Acupressure and Magnetic

> therapy reached common man. Who knows any further advancements in these

> sciences could address most critical diseases on earth.

>

> I would like to be pardoned for making all these extreme comments but the

> intent is to understand what perception my fellow members hold to it so the

> mystery is resolved.

>

> I fully agree to Punjeet ji's point of view that it is a perfect science

> based on calculations and has its own statistical measurements and

> performance indicators. Any element of unseen or unknown if gets into this

> debate will do no good than making the subject vague and prone to subjective

> / controversial decisions ending up in confusing the subject more. Anything

> and everything is a perfect science and can be explained through a theory in

> science today or tomorrow. Quantum Physics has explained a lot of it any

> way.

>

> But discussions is interesting, let us carry on without thinking before we

> write. Thank you all the participants for sparing time to give your own

> valuable comments.

>

> Parminder

>

lalkitab [lalkitab ] On Behalf

> Of Punit Pandey

> Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:32 PM

> lalkitab

> Re: Fwd: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab Group

>

>

>

> Dear Asheesh ji & Friends,

>

> There are various ways of seeing it. According to me, if we cannot

> statistically measure success of a system, it simply means it doesn't work.

> When we are discussing and learning any system, we should not bring

> intuition factor - irrespective of that is true or not. The concepts like

> intuition, meditation, divine power, blessings etc. are not in favor of

> systematic learning and research. If intuition, meditation, divine power,

> blessings etc. would have been true, there was no need of writing so many

> books on astrology.

>

> I request everybody that let us forget all these in favor of systematic

> learning and move on.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Asheesh Mathur <asheesh.mathur

> <asheesh.mathur%40gmail.com> >wrote:

>

>> Dear All,

>> Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

>> all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

>>

>> Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

>> are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

>> fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

>>

>> A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

>> only if he's destined to do get benefit.

>>

>> Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

>> will prevent him from doing that.

>>

>> Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

>> Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

>>

>> I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

>> seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am unable

>> to trace him.

>>

>> Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God , their

>> bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

>> access to CR reveal it prematurely.

>>

>> Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

>> auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

>> last moment tables turned upside down.

>>

>> Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

>>

>> This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

>> threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct or

>> appropriate.

>>

>> Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

>>

>> Thanks

>> Asheesh

>>

>> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

> <lalkitab%40>, Punit Pandey

>> <punitp wrote:

>> >

>> > Dear Raveesh ji,

>> >

>> > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

>> written

>> > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

>> really doesn't

>> > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

>> year. What

>> > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

>> doesn't

>> > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

>> there were

>> > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

>> now. If

>> > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

>> well.

>> >

>> > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

>> and what

>> > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

>> doesn't

>> > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is no

>> efforts

>> > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

>> for so

>> > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

>> academic nature

>> > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

>> books and

>> > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

>> Kitab. And

>> > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is a

>> must

>> > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

>> >

>> > Thanks & Regards,

>> >

>> > Punit Pandey

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13

>> wrote:

>> >

>> > >

>> > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

>> > >

>> > > Few things i have come to know .

>> > >

>> > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

>> and 10

>> > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

>> lalkitaab

>> > > theory.

>> > >

>> > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

>> is oen of

>> > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

>> right

>> > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

>> that it has to

>> > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

>> on old

>> > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

>> changing these

>> > > remmdies should also change,

>> > >

>> > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

>> different

>> > > opinions

>> > >

>> > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

>> number is 5 but

>> > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

>> be no 2 not

>> > > 5 .

>> > >

>> > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy of

>> those 10

>> > > books published during that time then things will be much more

>> easier.

>> > >

>> > > Raveesh

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > *Warm Regards

>> > >

>> > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Punit Pandey <punitp

>> > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal Kitab

>> Group

>> > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

> <lalkitab%40>

>> > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

>> > >

>> > > Dear Mohit ji,

>> > >

>> > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

>> > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

>> logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

>> online reference

>> > >

>> > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

>> > >

>> > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in the

>> form of a

>> > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

>> itself is in

>> > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

>> the basic

>> > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

>> in Hindi

>> > > is

>> > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed. Unlike

>> classical

>> > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

>> Not many

>> > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to understand

>> it

>> > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

>> people who

>> > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

>> Kitab at

>> > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

>> talks about

>> > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I have

>> not seen

>> > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

>> Most of the

>> > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

>> of Lal

>> > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we are

>> still few

>> > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal Kitab

>> > > knowledge

>> > > in easy to understand form.

>> > >

>> > > Thanks & Regards,

>> > >

>> > > Punit Pandey

>> > >

>> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

>> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%25>

>> 40>>

>> > > wrote:

>> > >

>> > > > Dear Puneet ji

>> > > >

>> > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

>> details on

>> > > below

>> > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

>> have been

>> > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

>> kitaab can

>> > > be

>> > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

>> learned

>> > > gurus

>> > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

>> > > >

>> > > > regards

>> > > > Mohit

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

>> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%25>

>> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

>> > > al.co.uk> " <

>> > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

>> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%25>

>> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

>> > > al.co.uk> >

>> > > > lalkitab@

>> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%25>

>> 40><lalkitab%40gr

>>

>> > > oups.com>

>> > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

>> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> Kitab Group

>> > > >

>> > > > Dear Puneet ji,

>> > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

>> concerns. I have

>> > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason. This

>> mail us

>> > > to

>> > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

>> assist in

>> > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

>> Questions

>> > > are

>> > > > :

>> > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

>> available.

>> > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make horoscope.

>> > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek advise.

>> > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

>> > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

>> > > > Parm Saini

>> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

>> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%25>

>> 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

>> > > >

>> > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

>> > > > <lalkitab@

>> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%25>

>> 40><lalkitab%40gr

>> > > oups.com> >

>> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> Kitab Group

>> > > >

>> > > > Dear Parminder ji,

>> > > >

>> > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

>> kundli will

>> > > > be

>> > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

>> Lal Kitab

>> > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

>> Though I

>> > > believe

>> > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

>> the

>> > > > reasoning

>> > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

>> should not be

>> > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

>> don't

>> > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

>> books due to

>> > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

>> > > >

>> > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

>> is no such

>> > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

>> of Lal

>> > > > Kitab.

>> > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

>> another

>> > > planet,

>> > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

>> removing

>> > > the

>> > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

>> Kitab

>> > > remedies

>> > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

>> what is

>> > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

>> language used in

>> > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

>> understand it.

>> > > As

>> > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

>> post-remedy

>> > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

>> planetary

>> > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

>> > > >

>> > > > Thanks & Regards,

>> > > >

>> > > > Punit Pandey

>> > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

>> <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

>> > > >

>> > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

>> <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

>> to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

>>

>> > > 40>

>> > > > >wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

>> kitab (Pt.

>> > > > Krishan

>> > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

>> done some

>> > > > remedy

>> > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

>> or someone

>> > > > else

>> > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

>> know that

>> > > how

>> > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

>> improve his

>> > > > status.

>> > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed after

>> that

>> > > > remedy.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > in wait of your reply

>> > > > > parminder saggu

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

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-Dear all,

I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger, their

wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but disowned.He

would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to unknown

person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me for

the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not right

time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

prediction.parihars not performed.

Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with just

few calculations(computer like)

 

regds

madhavan

 

-- In lalkitab , " Asheesh Mathur " <asheesh.mathur

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

> all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

>

> Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

> are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

>

> A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

> only if he's destined to do get benefit.

>

> Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

> will prevent him from doing that.

>

> Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

> Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

>

> I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

> seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

unable

> to trace him.

>

> Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

their

> bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> access to CR reveal it prematurely.

>

> Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

> auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

> last moment tables turned upside down.

>

> Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

>

>

> This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

> threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct

or

> appropriate.

>

> Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

>

>

> Thanks

> Asheesh

> lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raveesh ji,

> >

> > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

> written

> > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> really doesn't

> > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

> year. What

> > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

> doesn't

> > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

> there were

> > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

> now. If

> > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

> well.

> >

> > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

> and what

> > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> doesn't

> > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is

no

> efforts

> > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

> for so

> > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> academic nature

> > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> books and

> > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

> Kitab. And

> > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is

a

> must

> > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > >

> > > Few things i have come to know .

> > >

> > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

> and 10

> > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

> lalkitaab

> > > theory.

> > >

> > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

> is oen of

> > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

> right

> > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

> that it has to

> > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

> on old

> > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

> changing these

> > > remmdies should also change,

> > >

> > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> different

> > > opinions

> > >

> > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> number is 5 but

> > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

> be no 2 not

> > > 5 .

> > >

> > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy

of

> those 10

> > > books published during that time then things will be much more

> easier.

> > >

> > > Raveesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > *Warm Regards

> > >

> > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

Kitab

> Group

> > > lalkitab

> > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > >

> > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> online reference

> > >

> > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in

the

> form of a

> > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> itself is in

> > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

> the basic

> > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

> in Hindi

> > > is

> > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

Unlike

> classical

> > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

> Not many

> > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

understand

> it

> > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

> people who

> > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

> Kitab at

> > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

> talks about

> > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

have

> not seen

> > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

> Most of the

> > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

> of Lal

> > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we

are

> still few

> > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

Kitab

> > > knowledge

> > > in easy to understand form.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> 40>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > >

> > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> details on

> > > below

> > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

> have been

> > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

> kitaab can

> > > be

> > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

> learned

> > > gurus

> > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > Mohit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > lalkitab@

> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > oups.com>

> > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> Kitab Group

> > > >

> > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> concerns. I have

> > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

This

> mail us

> > > to

> > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> assist in

> > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

> Questions

> > > are

> > > > :

> > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> available.

> > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

horoscope.

> > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

advise.

> > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > Parm Saini

> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > <lalkitab@

> s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > oups.com> >

> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> Kitab Group

> > > >

> > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > >

> > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

> kundli will

> > > > be

> > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

> Lal Kitab

> > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> Though I

> > > believe

> > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

> the

> > > > reasoning

> > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> should not be

> > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

> don't

> > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

> books due to

> > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > >

> > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

> is no such

> > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

> of Lal

> > > > Kitab.

> > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> another

> > > planet,

> > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

> removing

> > > the

> > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

> Kitab

> > > remedies

> > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

> what is

> > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> language used in

> > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> understand it.

> > > As

> > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

> post-remedy

> > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> planetary

> > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > > 40>

> > > > >wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> kitab (Pt.

> > > > Krishan

> > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

> done some

> > > > remedy

> > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

> or someone

> > > > else

> > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

> know that

> > > how

> > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> improve his

> > > > status.

> > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

after

> that

> > > > remedy.

> > > > >

> > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Friends,

 

If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to predict

correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will come out

correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the time ..

consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method to predict

past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine blessings are

the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves. Something should

be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't it?

Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by introducing all

these intuition factors.

 

Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive capabilities. It

takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin of planets,

signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in order to

predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply knowledge

given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and systematic

methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and meditate to

learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving blessings/

intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool yourself and

others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial meaning of

'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my opinion. These

words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of astrology.

These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of the so called

Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that stops further

research and development.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan <chims45 wrote:

 

> -Dear all,

> I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

> If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger, their

> wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

> The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

> period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but disowned.He

> would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to unknown

> person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

> given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

> thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

> prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me for

> the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

> Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not right

> time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

> prediction.parihars not performed.

> Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with just

> few calculations(computer like)

>

> regds

> madhavan

>

> -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, " Asheesh

> Mathur " <asheesh.mathur

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear All,

> > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

> > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

> >

> > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

> > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

> >

> > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

> > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

> >

> > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

> > will prevent him from doing that.

> >

> > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

> > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

> >

> > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

> > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

> unable

> > to trace him.

> >

> > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

> their

> > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

> >

> > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

> > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

> > last moment tables turned upside down.

> >

> > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

> >

> >

> > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

> > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct

> or

> > appropriate.

> >

> > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> > Asheesh

> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, Punit

> Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Raveesh ji,

> > >

> > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

> > written

> > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> > really doesn't

> > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

> > year. What

> > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

> > doesn't

> > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

> > there were

> > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

> > now. If

> > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

> > well.

> > >

> > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

> > and what

> > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> > doesn't

> > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is

> no

> > efforts

> > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

> > for so

> > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> > academic nature

> > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> > books and

> > > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

> > Kitab. And

> > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is

> a

> > must

> > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > > >

> > > > Few things i have come to know .

> > > >

> > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

> > and 10

> > > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

> > lalkitaab

> > > > theory.

> > > >

> > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

> > is oen of

> > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

> > right

> > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

> > that it has to

> > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

> > on old

> > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

> > changing these

> > > > remmdies should also change,

> > > >

> > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> > different

> > > > opinions

> > > >

> > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> > number is 5 but

> > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

> > be no 2 not

> > > > 5 .

> > > >

> > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy

> of

> > those 10

> > > > books published during that time then things will be much more

> > easier.

> > > >

> > > > Raveesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *Warm Regards

> > > >

> > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> Kitab

> > Group

> > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

> > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> > online reference

> > > >

> > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > > >

> > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in

> the

> > form of a

> > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> > itself is in

> > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

> > the basic

> > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

> > in Hindi

> > > > is

> > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

> Unlike

> > classical

> > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

> > Not many

> > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

> understand

> > it

> > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

> > people who

> > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

> > Kitab at

> > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

> > talks about

> > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

> have

> > not seen

> > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

> > Most of the

> > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

> > of Lal

> > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we

> are

> > still few

> > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

> Kitab

> > > > knowledge

> > > > in easy to understand form.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> > 40>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > > >

> > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> > details on

> > > > below

> > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

> > have been

> > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

> > kitaab can

> > > > be

> > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

> > learned

> > > > gurus

> > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > Mohit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > > lalkitab@

> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > oups.com>

> > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> > Kitab Group

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> > concerns. I have

> > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

> This

> > mail us

> > > > to

> > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> > assist in

> > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

> > Questions

> > > > are

> > > > > :

> > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> > available.

> > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

> horoscope.

> > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

> advise.

> > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > > Parm Saini

> > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > > >

> > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > > <lalkitab@

> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > oups.com> >

> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> > Kitab Group

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

> > kundli will

> > > > > be

> > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

> > Lal Kitab

> > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> > Though I

> > > > believe

> > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

> > the

> > > > > reasoning

> > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> > should not be

> > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

> > don't

> > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

> > books due to

> > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

> > is no such

> > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

> > of Lal

> > > > > Kitab.

> > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> > another

> > > > planet,

> > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

> > removing

> > > > the

> > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

> > Kitab

> > > > remedies

> > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

> > what is

> > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> > language used in

> > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> > understand it.

> > > > As

> > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

> > post-remedy

> > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> > planetary

> > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > > >

> > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> > <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > >wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> > kitab (Pt.

> > > > > Krishan

> > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

> > done some

> > > > > remedy

> > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

> > or someone

> > > > > else

> > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

> > know that

> > > > how

> > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> > improve his

> > > > > status.

> > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

> after

> > that

> > > > > remedy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Friends,

It's heartening to know that we have ignited minds trying to clear the

mist around Astrology.

 

Feel that soon, may be via this forum, we will have clarity on

deciphering the text of Lal Kitab with a scientific context.

 

Regards

Asheesh

 

lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to predict

> correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will come out

> correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the time ..

> consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method to

predict

> past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine

blessings are

> the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves.

Something should

> be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't it?

> Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by

introducing all

> these intuition factors.

>

> Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive

capabilities. It

> takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin of

planets,

> signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in

order to

> predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply knowledge

> given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and systematic

> methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and meditate to

> learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving

blessings/

> intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool

yourself and

> others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial meaning of

> 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my opinion. These

> words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of

astrology.

> These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of the

so called

> Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that stops

further

> research and development.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan <chims45 wrote:

>

> > -Dear all,

> > I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

> > If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger, their

> > wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

> > The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

> > period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but disowned.He

> > would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to unknown

> > person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

> > given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

> > thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

> > prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me for

> > the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

> > Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not right

> > time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

> > prediction.parihars not performed.

> > Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with just

> > few calculations(computer like)

> >

> > regds

> > madhavan

> >

> > -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, " Asheesh

> > Mathur " <asheesh.mathur@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

> > > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

> > >

> > > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

> > > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> > > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

> > >

> > > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

> > > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

> > >

> > > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

> > > will prevent him from doing that.

> > >

> > > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

> > > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

> > >

> > > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

> > > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

> > unable

> > > to trace him.

> > >

> > > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

> > their

> > > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> > > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

> > >

> > > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

> > > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

> > > last moment tables turned upside down.

> > >

> > > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

> > >

> > >

> > > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

> > > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct

> > or

> > > appropriate.

> > >

> > > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Asheesh

> > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raveesh ji,

> > > >

> > > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

> > > written

> > > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> > > really doesn't

> > > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

> > > year. What

> > > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

> > > doesn't

> > > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

> > > there were

> > > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

> > > now. If

> > > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

> > > well.

> > > >

> > > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

> > > and what

> > > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> > > doesn't

> > > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is

> > no

> > > efforts

> > > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

> > > for so

> > > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> > > academic nature

> > > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> > > books and

> > > > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

> > > Kitab. And

> > > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is

> > a

> > > must

> > > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Few things i have come to know .

> > > > >

> > > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

> > > and 10

> > > > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

> > > lalkitaab

> > > > > theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

> > > is oen of

> > > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

> > > right

> > > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

> > > that it has to

> > > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

> > > on old

> > > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

> > > changing these

> > > > > remmdies should also change,

> > > > >

> > > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> > > different

> > > > > opinions

> > > > >

> > > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> > > number is 5 but

> > > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

> > > be no 2 not

> > > > > 5 .

> > > > >

> > > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy

> > of

> > > those 10

> > > > > books published during that time then things will be much more

> > > easier.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raveesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Warm Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> > Kitab

> > > Group

> > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

> > > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> > > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> > > online reference

> > > > >

> > > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in

> > the

> > > form of a

> > > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> > > itself is in

> > > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

> > > the basic

> > > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

> > > in Hindi

> > > > > is

> > > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

> > Unlike

> > > classical

> > > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

> > > Not many

> > > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

> > understand

> > > it

> > > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

> > > people who

> > > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

> > > Kitab at

> > > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

> > > talks about

> > > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

> > have

> > > not seen

> > > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

> > > Most of the

> > > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

> > > of Lal

> > > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we

> > are

> > > still few

> > > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

> > Kitab

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > in easy to understand form.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> > > 40>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> > > details on

> > > > > below

> > > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

> > > have been

> > > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

> > > kitaab can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

> > > learned

> > > > > gurus

> > > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > Mohit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > > > lalkitab@

> > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > oups.com>

> > > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> > > Kitab Group

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> > > concerns. I have

> > > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

> > This

> > > mail us

> > > > > to

> > > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> > > assist in

> > > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

> > > Questions

> > > > > are

> > > > > > :

> > > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> > > available.

> > > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

> > horoscope.

> > > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

> > advise.

> > > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > > > Parm Saini

> > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> > > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > > > <lalkitab@

> > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > oups.com> >

> > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> > > Kitab Group

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

> > > kundli will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

> > > Lal Kitab

> > > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> > > Though I

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

> > > the

> > > > > > reasoning

> > > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> > > should not be

> > > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

> > > don't

> > > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

> > > books due to

> > > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

> > > is no such

> > > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

> > > of Lal

> > > > > > Kitab.

> > > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> > > another

> > > > > planet,

> > > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

> > > removing

> > > > > the

> > > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

> > > Kitab

> > > > > remedies

> > > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

> > > what is

> > > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> > > language used in

> > > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> > > understand it.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

> > > post-remedy

> > > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> > > planetary

> > > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> > > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> > > <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> > > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> > > kitab (Pt.

> > > > > > Krishan

> > > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

> > > done some

> > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

> > > or someone

> > > > > > else

> > > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

> > > know that

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> > > improve his

> > > > > > status.

> > > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

> > after

> > > that

> > > > > > remedy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Punit ji, ur apprehensions are not unfounded but the problem is

majority of astrologers indulge in post mortem of events. Predictions

about future are more or less a gamble. With odds weighing heavily

against. I don't doubt the texts but with such treatises and

generations studing them. Where does the fault lie and what do you say

about bhrigu samhita charts in punjab and aagast naadi in south. I

have seen the magic of bhrigu charts at hoshiarpur in punjab. The

horoscope of native is there years before his birth. If u trust umesh

ji u can confirm from him that i arranged a meeting of umesh ji and

our common vip friend with a soothsayer. Both were dumb founded when

he described 2 murders in the locality of our friend with full details

like age appearance of the victim. What he asked was only thd address

no horoscope no palm reading. May be it was some sort of hypnosis or

mind reading. But he excells in that when it comes to future 95

predictions are wrong. In the end what exact solution do u have in

mind for rarely do u enter a discussion without a concreate agenda.

Regards. Kulbir

 

On 2/19/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to predict

> correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will come out

> correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the time ..

> consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method to predict

> past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine blessings are

> the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves. Something should

> be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't it?

> Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by introducing all

> these intuition factors.

>

> Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive capabilities. It

> takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin of planets,

> signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in order to

> predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply knowledge

> given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and systematic

> methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and meditate to

> learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving blessings/

> intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool yourself and

> others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial meaning of

> 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my opinion. These

> words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of astrology.

> These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of the so called

> Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that stops further

> research and development.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan <chims45 wrote:

>

>> -Dear all,

>> I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

>> If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger, their

>> wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

>> The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

>> period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but disowned.He

>> would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to unknown

>> person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

>> given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

>> thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

>> prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me for

>> the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

>> Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not right

>> time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

>> prediction.parihars not performed.

>> Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with just

>> few calculations(computer like)

>>

>> regds

>> madhavan

>>

>> -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, " Asheesh

>> Mathur " <asheesh.mathur

>> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > Dear All,

>> > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

>> > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

>> >

>> > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

>> > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

>> > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

>> >

>> > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

>> > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

>> >

>> > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

>> > will prevent him from doing that.

>> >

>> > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

>> > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

>> >

>> > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

>> > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

>> unable

>> > to trace him.

>> >

>> > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

>> their

>> > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

>> > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

>> >

>> > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

>> > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

>> > last moment tables turned upside down.

>> >

>> > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

>> >

>> >

>> > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

>> > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct

>> or

>> > appropriate.

>> >

>> > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

>> >

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> > Asheesh

>> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, Punit

>> Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Dear Raveesh ji,

>> > >

>> > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

>> > written

>> > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

>> > really doesn't

>> > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

>> > year. What

>> > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

>> > doesn't

>> > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

>> > there were

>> > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

>> > now. If

>> > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

>> > well.

>> > >

>> > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

>> > and what

>> > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

>> > doesn't

>> > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is

>> no

>> > efforts

>> > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

>> > for so

>> > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

>> > academic nature

>> > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

>> > books and

>> > > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

>> > Kitab. And

>> > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is

>> a

>> > must

>> > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

>> > >

>> > > Thanks & Regards,

>> > >

>> > > Punit Pandey

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

>> > wrote:

>> > >

>> > > >

>> > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

>> > > >

>> > > > Few things i have come to know .

>> > > >

>> > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

>> > and 10

>> > > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

>> > lalkitaab

>> > > > theory.

>> > > >

>> > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

>> > is oen of

>> > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

>> > right

>> > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

>> > that it has to

>> > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

>> > on old

>> > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

>> > changing these

>> > > > remmdies should also change,

>> > > >

>> > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

>> > different

>> > > > opinions

>> > > >

>> > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

>> > number is 5 but

>> > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

>> > be no 2 not

>> > > > 5 .

>> > > >

>> > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy

>> of

>> > those 10

>> > > > books published during that time then things will be much more

>> > easier.

>> > > >

>> > > > Raveesh

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > *Warm Regards

>> > > >

>> > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

>> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> Kitab

>> > Group

>> > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

>> > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

>> > > >

>> > > > Dear Mohit ji,

>> > > >

>> > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

>> > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

>> > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

>> > online reference

>> > > >

>> > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

>> > > >

>> > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in

>> the

>> > form of a

>> > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

>> > itself is in

>> > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

>> > the basic

>> > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

>> > in Hindi

>> > > > is

>> > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

>> Unlike

>> > classical

>> > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

>> > Not many

>> > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

>> understand

>> > it

>> > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

>> > people who

>> > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

>> > Kitab at

>> > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

>> > talks about

>> > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

>> have

>> > not seen

>> > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

>> > Most of the

>> > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

>> > of Lal

>> > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we

>> are

>> > still few

>> > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

>> Kitab

>> > > > knowledge

>> > > > in easy to understand form.

>> > > >

>> > > > Thanks & Regards,

>> > > >

>> > > > Punit Pandey

>> > > >

>> > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

>> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

>> > 40>>

>> > > > wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > > Dear Puneet ji

>> > > > >

>> > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

>> > details on

>> > > > below

>> > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

>> > have been

>> > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

>> > kitaab can

>> > > > be

>> > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

>> > learned

>> > > > gurus

>> > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

>> > > > >

>> > > > > regards

>> > > > > Mohit

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

>> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

>> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

>> > > > al.co.uk> " <

>> > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

>> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

>> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

>> > > > al.co.uk> >

>> > > > > lalkitab@

>> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

>> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

>> > > > oups.com>

>> > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

>> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> > Kitab Group

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

>> > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

>> > concerns. I have

>> > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

>> This

>> > mail us

>> > > > to

>> > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

>> > assist in

>> > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

>> > Questions

>> > > > are

>> > > > > :

>> > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

>> > available.

>> > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

>> horoscope.

>> > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

>> advise.

>> > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

>> > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

>> > > > > Parm Saini

>> > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

>> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

>> > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

>> > > > > <lalkitab@

>> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

>> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

>> > > > oups.com> >

>> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

>> > Kitab Group

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

>> > kundli will

>> > > > > be

>> > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

>> > Lal Kitab

>> > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

>> > Though I

>> > > > believe

>> > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

>> > the

>> > > > > reasoning

>> > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

>> > should not be

>> > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

>> > don't

>> > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

>> > books due to

>> > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

>> > is no such

>> > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

>> > of Lal

>> > > > > Kitab.

>> > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

>> > another

>> > > > planet,

>> > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

>> > removing

>> > > > the

>> > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

>> > Kitab

>> > > > remedies

>> > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

>> > what is

>> > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

>> > language used in

>> > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

>> > understand it.

>> > > > As

>> > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

>> > post-remedy

>> > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

>> > planetary

>> > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Punit Pandey

>> > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

>> > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

>> > > > >

>> > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

>> > <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

>> > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

>> > > > 40>

>> > > > > >wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

>> > kitab (Pt.

>> > > > > Krishan

>> > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

>> > done some

>> > > > > remedy

>> > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

>> > or someone

>> > > > > else

>> > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

>> > know that

>> > > > how

>> > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

>> > improve his

>> > > > > status.

>> > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

>> after

>> > that

>> > > > > remedy.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > in wait of your reply

>> > > > > > parminder saggu

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

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Dear Kulbir ji,

 

I'll take your questions in three parts. First is the question why the

success percentage is not that high for most of the astrologers. My answer

is that most of the astrology students are dependent on theoretical study.

All classics like Brihat Jatak, Saravali, Sarvarth Chintamani, BPHS etc. are

almost without any examples. The crux had been documented but the

application was not documented. Traditionally application had been taught in

paramparas in India. Without any practical example, people are using their

own imagination to fill that gap. The same problem is there with Lal Kitab

as well. Examples are nearly non-existent which makes understanding

difficult.

 

Your question is not limited to astrology, but it true for almost all kind

of knowledge. Why not all B.Sc. students can invent like Thomas Alva Edison*

*? Answer is the same that they have just studied theory and not learnt the

application. Correct application of any science requires a lot of hard work

and efforts. Now all B.Sc. students can become Edison. Hard work, focus,

practical learning, effort, individual's understanding of application are

various criteria in the success of any subject. Astrology is no different.

 

Your second point is related to Nadis and Samhitas. This is now a well known

fact that there are two types of Nadis (called Samhita in North India) -

Tantra Nadis and Mantra Nadis. According to Prof. B. V. Raman, " Mantra

Nadi's are based on acquisition of control over what he called certain

" uchchishta " (profane) or Kshudra (mean or low) mantra. " Karna Pishachini is

one such method which is well documented in our Tantra texts like

Rudryamalam and Mantramahodadhi as far as I remember. Karna Pishachinis are

not astrologers. Those are good in tell you present and past, but the future

prediction has been left to astrologers alone. That is the reason we see

that most of the Nadis failed in future predictions.

 

On the other side, Tantra Nadis are based on astrology. Those are the Nadis

that can predict even the future correctly. Texts like Deva Keralam, Bhrigu

Nandi, Nandi Nadi etc. come under 'Tantra Nadis'. There are many Nadis

available though not available to general public. Lal Kitab is also nothing

but another branch of Nadi which was prevailing in Northern India. Anyways,

we need to understand differences between Mantra Nadis and Tantra Nadis in

order to uncover the secret of astrology.

 

Regarding your third question, I have no plans as of now. I'll wait and see

where future takes us. The good thing is that almost all five editions are

available to us and that gives us good material to learn and debate. I hope

that consistent discussion on Lal Kitab and filling missing links through

classical astrology will give us good clarity on this Lal Kitab system.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

> Punit ji, ur apprehensions are not unfounded but the problem is

> majority of astrologers indulge in post mortem of events. Predictions

> about future are more or less a gamble. With odds weighing heavily

> against. I don't doubt the texts but with such treatises and

> generations studing them. Where does the fault lie and what do you say

> about bhrigu samhita charts in punjab and aagast naadi in south. I

> have seen the magic of bhrigu charts at hoshiarpur in punjab. The

> horoscope of native is there years before his birth. If u trust umesh

> ji u can confirm from him that i arranged a meeting of umesh ji and

> our common vip friend with a soothsayer. Both were dumb founded when

> he described 2 murders in the locality of our friend with full details

> like age appearance of the victim. What he asked was only thd address

> no horoscope no palm reading. May be it was some sort of hypnosis or

> mind reading. But he excells in that when it comes to future 95

> predictions are wrong. In the end what exact solution do u have in

> mind for rarely do u enter a discussion without a concreate agenda.

> Regards. Kulbir

>

>

> On 2/19/09, Punit Pandey <punitp <punitp%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to predict

> > correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will come out

> > correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the time ..

> > consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method to predict

> > past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine blessings

> are

> > the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves. Something

> should

> > be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't it?

> > Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by introducing

> all

> > these intuition factors.

> >

> > Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive capabilities.

> It

> > takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin of

> planets,

> > signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in order to

> > predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply knowledge

> > given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and systematic

> > methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and meditate to

> > learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving blessings/

> > intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool yourself

> and

> > others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial meaning of

> > 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my opinion. These

> > words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of

> astrology.

> > These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of the so

> called

> > Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that stops further

> > research and development.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan

<chims45<chims45%40>>

> wrote:

> >

> >> -Dear all,

> >> I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

> >> If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger, their

> >> wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

> >> The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

> >> period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but disowned.He

> >> would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to unknown

> >> person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

> >> given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

> >> thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

> >> prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me for

> >> the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

> >> Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not right

> >> time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

> >> prediction.parihars not performed.

> >> Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with just

> >> few calculations(computer like)

> >>

> >> regds

> >> madhavan

> >>

> >> -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40> <lalkitab%

> 40>, " Asheesh

>

> >> Mathur " <asheesh.mathur

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> > Dear All,

> >> > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and above

> >> > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

> >> >

> >> > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical, they

> >> > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> >> > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

> >> >

> >> > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab one

> >> > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

> >> >

> >> > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be nature

> >> > will prevent him from doing that.

> >> >

> >> > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case with

> >> > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

> >> >

> >> > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I have

> >> > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

> >> unable

> >> > to trace him.

> >> >

> >> > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

> >> their

> >> > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> >> > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

> >> >

> >> > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided the

> >> > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at the

> >> > last moment tables turned upside down.

> >> >

> >> > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls, intersting

> >> > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be correct

> >> or

> >> > appropriate.

> >> >

> >> > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Thanks

> >> > Asheesh

> >> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40>, Punit

>

> >> Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Raveesh ji,

> >> > >

> >> > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing what is

> >> > written

> >> > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> >> > really doesn't

> >> > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for 25th

> >> > year. What

> >> > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it also

> >> > doesn't

> >> > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples. Whether

> >> > there were

> >> > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move forward

> >> > now. If

> >> > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books as

> >> > well.

> >> > >

> >> > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y house

> >> > and what

> >> > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> >> > doesn't

> >> > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There is

> >> no

> >> > efforts

> >> > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on Internet

> >> > for so

> >> > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> >> > academic nature

> >> > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> >> > books and

> >> > > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of Lal

> >> > Kitab. And

> >> > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical astrology is

> >> a

> >> > must

> >> > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > >

> >> > > Punit Pandey

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

> >> > wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Few things i have come to know .

> >> > > >

> >> > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10 diciples

> >> > and 10

> >> > > > books were published by him , according to few people who follow

> >> > lalkitaab

> >> > > > theory.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal kitaab

> >> > is oen of

> >> > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with the

> >> > right

> >> > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers say

> >> > that it has to

> >> > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are based

> >> > on old

> >> > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations are

> >> > changing these

> >> > > > remmdies should also change,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> >> > different

> >> > > > opinions

> >> > > >

> >> > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> >> > number is 5 but

> >> > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it should

> >> > be no 2 not

> >> > > > 5 .

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any copy

> >> of

> >> > those 10

> >> > > > books published during that time then things will be much more

> >> > easier.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Raveesh

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > *Warm Regards

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> >> > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> >> Kitab

> >> > Group

> >> > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40>

>

> >> > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Mohit ji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> >> > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> >> > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> >> > online reference

> >> > > >

> >> > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught in

> >> the

> >> > form of a

> >> > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> >> > itself is in

> >> > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves on

> >> > the basic

> >> > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal Kitab

> >> > in Hindi

> >> > > > is

> >> > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

> >> Unlike

> >> > classical

> >> > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal Kitab.

> >> > Not many

> >> > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

> >> understand

> >> > it

> >> > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material and

> >> > people who

> >> > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to Lal

> >> > Kitab at

> >> > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system which

> >> > talks about

> >> > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

> >> have

> >> > not seen

> >> > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these fully.

> >> > Most of the

> >> > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited knowledge

> >> > of Lal

> >> > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion, we

> >> are

> >> > still few

> >> > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

> >> Kitab

> >> > > > knowledge

> >> > > > in easy to understand form.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Punit Pandey

> >> > > >

> >> > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> >> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> >> > 40>>

> >> > > > wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > Dear Puneet ji

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> >> > details on

> >> > > > below

> >> > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since long i

> >> > have been

> >> > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on lal

> >> > kitaab can

> >> > > > be

> >> > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform where

> >> > learned

> >> > > > gurus

> >> > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > regards

> >> > > > > Mohit

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> >> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> >> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> >> > > > al.co.uk> " <

> >> > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> >> > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> >> > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> >> > > > al.co.uk> >

> >> > > > > lalkitab@

> >> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> >> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> >> > > > oups.com>

> >> > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> >> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> >> > Kitab Group

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> >> > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> >> > concerns. I have

> >> > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

> >> This

> >> > mail us

> >> > > > to

> >> > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> >> > assist in

> >> > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible. Concerns /

> >> > Questions

> >> > > > are

> >> > > > > :

> >> > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> >> > available.

> >> > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

> >> horoscope.

> >> > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

> >> advise.

> >> > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> >> > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> >> > > > > Parm Saini

> >> > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> >> > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> >> > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> >> > > > > <lalkitab@

> >> > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> >> > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> >> > > > oups.com> >

> >> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> >> > Kitab Group

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of his

> >> > kundli will

> >> > > > > be

> >> > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect understanding of

> >> > Lal Kitab

> >> > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> >> > Though I

> >> > > > believe

> >> > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal Kiab, but

> >> > the

> >> > > > > reasoning

> >> > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> >> > should not be

> >> > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab experts

> >> > don't

> >> > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing such

> >> > books due to

> >> > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house. There

> >> > is no such

> >> > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all teaching

> >> > of Lal

> >> > > > > Kitab.

> >> > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> >> > another

> >> > > > planet,

> >> > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet, and

> >> > removing

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of Lal

> >> > Kitab

> >> > > > remedies

> >> > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should stick to

> >> > what is

> >> > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> >> > language used in

> >> > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> >> > understand it.

> >> > > > As

> >> > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about the

> >> > post-remedy

> >> > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> >> > planetary

> >> > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> >> > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> >> > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> >> > <pammisaggu <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> >> > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> >> > > > 40>

> >> > > > > >wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> >> > kitab (Pt.

> >> > > > > Krishan

> >> > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone already

> >> > done some

> >> > > > > remedy

> >> > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come to me

> >> > or someone

> >> > > > > else

> >> > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i don't

> >> > know that

> >> > > > how

> >> > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> >> > improve his

> >> > > > > status.

> >> > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

> >> after

> >> > that

> >> > > > > remedy.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > in wait of your reply

> >> > > > > > parminder saggu

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

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Dear punit ji,

Are you saying that a good astrologer doesn't need to have some sort

of intution power/divine blessing/spritiual quality in order to

assist him/her?

 

Are you saying astrology is purely calculation and application?

 

If yes, then would be kind enough to explain the origin of lal kitab

or any other " granth " for that matter.

 

regards

jitin syal

 

lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to predict

> correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will come

out

> correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the time ..

> consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method to

predict

> past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine

blessings are

> the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves.

Something should

> be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't it?

> Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by

introducing all

> these intuition factors.

>

> Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive

capabilities. It

> takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin of

planets,

> signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in

order to

> predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply

knowledge

> given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and

systematic

> methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and

meditate to

> learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving

blessings/

> intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool

yourself and

> others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial meaning of

> 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my opinion.

These

> words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of

astrology.

> These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of the

so called

> Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that stops

further

> research and development.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan <chims45 wrote:

>

> > -Dear all,

> > I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

> > If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger,

their

> > wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

> > The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

> > period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but

disowned.He

> > would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to

unknown

> > person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

> > given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

> > thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

> > prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me

for

> > the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

> > Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not

right

> > time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

> > prediction.parihars not performed.

> > Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with

just

> > few calculations(computer like)

> >

> > regds

> > madhavan

> >

> > -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%

40>, " Asheesh

> > Mathur " <asheesh.mathur@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and

above

> > > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

> > >

> > > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical,

they

> > > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> > > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

> > >

> > > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab

one

> > > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

> > >

> > > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be

nature

> > > will prevent him from doing that.

> > >

> > > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case

with

> > > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

> > >

> > > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I

have

> > > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

> > unable

> > > to trace him.

> > >

> > > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

> > their

> > > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> > > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

> > >

> > > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided

the

> > > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at

the

> > > last moment tables turned upside down.

> > >

> > > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

> > >

> > >

> > > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls,

intersting

> > > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be

correct

> > or

> > > appropriate.

> > >

> > > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Asheesh

> > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>,

Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raveesh ji,

> > > >

> > > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing

what is

> > > written

> > > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> > > really doesn't

> > > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for

25th

> > > year. What

> > > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it

also

> > > doesn't

> > > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples.

Whether

> > > there were

> > > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move

forward

> > > now. If

> > > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books

as

> > > well.

> > > >

> > > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y

house

> > > and what

> > > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> > > doesn't

> > > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There

is

> > no

> > > efforts

> > > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on

Internet

> > > for so

> > > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> > > academic nature

> > > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> > > books and

> > > > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of

Lal

> > > Kitab. And

> > > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical

astrology is

> > a

> > > must

> > > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Few things i have come to know .

> > > > >

> > > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10

diciples

> > > and 10

> > > > > books were published by him , according to few people who

follow

> > > lalkitaab

> > > > > theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal

kitaab

> > > is oen of

> > > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with

the

> > > right

> > > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers

say

> > > that it has to

> > > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are

based

> > > on old

> > > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations

are

> > > changing these

> > > > > remmdies should also change,

> > > > >

> > > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> > > different

> > > > > opinions

> > > > >

> > > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> > > number is 5 but

> > > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it

should

> > > be no 2 not

> > > > > 5 .

> > > > >

> > > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any

copy

> > of

> > > those 10

> > > > > books published during that time then things will be much

more

> > > easier.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raveesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Warm Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> > Kitab

> > > Group

> > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>

> > > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> > > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> > > online reference

> > > > >

> > > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught

in

> > the

> > > form of a

> > > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> > > itself is in

> > > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves

on

> > > the basic

> > > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal

Kitab

> > > in Hindi

> > > > > is

> > > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

> > Unlike

> > > classical

> > > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal

Kitab.

> > > Not many

> > > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

> > understand

> > > it

> > > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material

and

> > > people who

> > > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to

Lal

> > > Kitab at

> > > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system

which

> > > talks about

> > > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

> > have

> > > not seen

> > > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these

fully.

> > > Most of the

> > > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited

knowledge

> > > of Lal

> > > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion,

we

> > are

> > > still few

> > > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

> > Kitab

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > in easy to understand form.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel

<mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> > > 40>>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> > > details on

> > > > > below

> > > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since

long i

> > > have been

> > > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on

lal

> > > kitaab can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform

where

> > > learned

> > > > > gurus

> > > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > Mohit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > > > lalkitab@

> > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > oups.com>

> > > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in

Lal

> > > Kitab Group

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> > > concerns. I have

> > > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

> > This

> > > mail us

> > > > > to

> > > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> > > assist in

> > > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible.

Concerns /

> > > Questions

> > > > > are

> > > > > > :

> > > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> > > available.

> > > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

> > horoscope.

> > > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

> > advise.

> > > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > > > Parm Saini

> > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> > > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > > > <lalkitab@

> > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > oups.com> >

> > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in

Lal

> > > Kitab Group

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of

his

> > > kundli will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect

understanding of

> > > Lal Kitab

> > > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> > > Though I

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal

Kiab, but

> > > the

> > > > > > reasoning

> > > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> > > should not be

> > > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab

experts

> > > don't

> > > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing

such

> > > books due to

> > > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house.

There

> > > is no such

> > > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all

teaching

> > > of Lal

> > > > > > Kitab.

> > > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> > > another

> > > > > planet,

> > > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet,

and

> > > removing

> > > > > the

> > > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of

Lal

> > > Kitab

> > > > > remedies

> > > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should

stick to

> > > what is

> > > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> > > language used in

> > > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> > > understand it.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about

the

> > > post-remedy

> > > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> > > planetary

> > > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> > > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> > > <pammisaggu (AT) (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> > > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> > > kitab (Pt.

> > > > > > Krishan

> > > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone

already

> > > done some

> > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come

to me

> > > or someone

> > > > > > else

> > > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i

don't

> > > know that

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> > > improve his

> > > > > > status.

> > > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

> > after

> > > that

> > > > > > remedy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Jitin ji,

 

You got it right. I am exactly saying so. To reiterate, a good astrologer

DOES NOT need to have some sort of intuition power/divine blessing/spiritual

quality in order to assist him/her.

 

This statement is related to the application of astrology and not origin of

astrology. I am not bothered whether spirituality/ intuition/ divine power

is required or not for the creation of such " grantha " like Lal Kitab.

Originiation is not my problem and we are not going to write a new Lal Kitab

in this forum. What I am bothered about is the application of the rules

which are already avaible in the " grantha " like Lal Kitab. And for that, I

will repeat again that there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED of spirituality/ divine

blessings/ spirual power. I hope I am clear now.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82wrote:

 

> Dear punit ji,

> Are you saying that a good astrologer doesn't need to have some sort

> of intution power/divine blessing/spritiual quality in order to

> assist him/her?

>

> Are you saying astrology is purely calculation and application?

>

> If yes, then would be kind enough to explain the origin of lal kitab

> or any other " granth " for that matter.

>

> regards

> jitin syal

>

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, Punit Pandey

> <punitp wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > If a period is good, one doesn't even require astrology to predict

> > correctly. Whatever you will say in your fruitful period will come

> out

> > correct. Beauty of astrology is to predict correctly all the time ..

> > consistently. Astrology is not a magic but a systematic method to

> predict

> > past, present and future. In my opinion, intuition and divine

> blessings are

> > the tools invented by astrologers to safe-guard themselves.

> Something should

> > be there to blame upon in case of incorrect predictions. Isn't it?

> > Astrologers should stop fooling themselves and the public by

> introducing all

> > these intuition factors.

> >

> > Astrology is a systematic method for developing predictive

> capabilities. It

> > takes time and efforts. An astrologer has to get into the skin of

> planets,

> > signs, nakshatras, bhavas etc. and feel them/ think like them in

> order to

> > predict correctly. All astrology texts teaches us how to apply

> knowledge

> > given in the texts. All astrology texts has given sound and

> systematic

> > methods. Those texts don't tell use to sit in padmasana and

> meditate to

> > learn astrology. If people call 'predictive ability' a 'diving

> blessings/

> > intuiation', that is OK because then it is not a tool to fool

> yourself and

> > others. But this magical, undocumented, extra-terrestial meaning of

> > 'intuition/ divine blessings' is nothing but absurd in my opinion.

> These

> > words are big hindrance in the path of systematic development of

> astrology.

> > These are even bigger challenge for Lal Kitab, because some of the

> so called

> > Lal Kitab experts project this book as divine book and that stops

> further

> > research and development.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Madhavan <chims45 wrote:

> >

> > > -Dear all,

> > > I fully endorse the opinion of Ashish ji,

> > > If only the good time prevails for both native and astrolger,

> their

> > > wont be any effective prediction and parihars.

> > > The astroleger may be good - but for himself is surrounded by bad

> > > period, then his predictions may not be appreciated but

> disowned.He

> > > would have unfolded mystry, but the credits would be given to

> unknown

> > > person. Even a street passer's good wish of the occasion would be

> > > given weightage than the renowned astrolgers.

> > > thats why i used to say, if my time is good you will appreciate my

> > > prediction- if bad times, you will blame me or totally forget me

> for

> > > the occasion when you are enjoying the fruits.

> > > Regarding the Native's good time, even good astroleger could not

> right

> > > time and satan will play its role in misinterepting the right

> > > prediction.parihars not performed.

> > > Thats why the upasakas are more respected than astrolgers with

> just

> > > few calculations(computer like)

> > >

> > > regds

> > > madhavan

> > >

> > > -- In lalkitab <lalkitab%40> <lalkitab%

> 40>, " Asheesh

>

> > > Mathur " <asheesh.mathur@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Predictions are mystique and require meditation, intuition and

> above

> > > > all HIS Blessings for both Native and the Astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > Astrology / predictions are not mathematical or pure logical,

> they

> > > > are sprinkled with the astrologers experience and cosmic

> > > > fecilitation. Otherwise a smart computer program could predict.

> > > >

> > > > A native will visit a good astrologer, specifically a Lal Kitab

> one

> > > > only if he's destined to do get benefit.

> > > >

> > > > Native may listen to upayes, but may not perform them. May be

> nature

> > > > will prevent him from doing that.

> > > >

> > > > Lord Ram had to suffer for 14 years in exile. Same is the case

> with

> > > > Pandavas, they had access to best astrologers in their court.

> > > >

> > > > I know of one LK Expert, who transformed me 25 years back. I

> have

> > > > seen miracles with his remedies, but now despite my trials, am

> > > unable

> > > > to trace him.

> > > >

> > > > Remembers Astrologers predicting are revealing secrets of God ,

> > > their

> > > > bosses. Which Boss would like his secretary or juniors who have

> > > > access to CR reveal it prematurely.

> > > >

> > > > Remember Ramayana, Rama was to be made King, big saints decided

> the

> > > > auspicious Muhurata, there were good Shaguns all around and at

> the

> > > > last moment tables turned upside down.

> > > >

> > > > Suggest we accept astrology/palmistry in light of above.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This is a good lively forum with lots of gifted souls,

> intersting

> > > > threads, once again these are only my views and may not be

> correct

> > > or

> > > > appropriate.

> > > >

> > > > Please excuse me if I have hurt your feelings.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Asheesh

> > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40>,

> Punit

> > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Raveesh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the problem with the Lal Kitab. All are discussing

> what is

> > > > written

> > > > > in Lal Kitab and there in efforts to understand it. To me, it

> > > > really doesn't

> > > > > matter whether there is '2' or '5' in front of the row for

> 25th

> > > > year. What

> > > > > matters is to understand why that table is like that. Now it

> also

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > matter whether there were 10 disciples or 100 disciples.

> Whether

> > > > there were

> > > > > 10 books or 100 books. This is all gone and we should move

> forward

> > > > now. If

> > > > > we can not learn from 5 books, we can not learn from 50 books

> as

> > > > well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Most of the discussion that I have seen is on X planet in Y

> house

> > > > and what

> > > > > will be the remedy. To me, that not only is incorrent but also

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > matter. The matter is why those remedies are like that. There

> is

> > > no

> > > > efforts

> > > > > in that direction. I am watching Lal Kitab discussions on

> Internet

> > > > for so

> > > > > long but never seen even a one single discussion whether of

> > > > academic nature

> > > > > on the grammar of Lal Kitab. People will have to go beyond the

> > > > books and

> > > > > will have to use their reasoning to understand application of

> Lal

> > > > Kitab. And

> > > > > for doing that, I believe the knowledge of classical

> astrology is

> > > a

> > > > must

> > > > > because classical astrology can provide us the missing links.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 PM, raveesh sethi <raveesh_13@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To All Members and moderator Puneet Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Few things i have come to know .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1 Lalkitaab founder or the person who wrote this had 10

> diciples

> > > > and 10

> > > > > > books were published by him , according to few people who

> follow

> > > > lalkitaab

> > > > > > theory.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. out of those 10 i think no one is alive now ., yes lal

> kitaab

> > > > is oen of

> > > > > > the most effective theory but if if it is practicsed with

> the

> > > > right

> > > > > > knowledge then it helps, but another group of astrologers

> say

> > > > that it has to

> > > > > > undergo changes in remedies as most of these remedies are

> based

> > > > on old

> > > > > > concepts and with new thinsg and environment , situations

> are

> > > > changing these

> > > > > > remmdies should also change,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now i came to know of few things on which astrolgers have

> > > > different

> > > > > > opinions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in 25th year if u see varshaphal sarini under 5th house the

> > > > number is 5 but

> > > > > > according to few experts and astrologers of lal kitaab it

> should

> > > > be no 2 not

> > > > > > 5 .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now question is if we get to know any pperson who has any

> copy

> > > of

> > > > those 10

> > > > > > books published during that time then things will be much

> more

> > > > easier.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raveesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Warm Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raveesh Kumar Sethi*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On *Wed, 2/18/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@>* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in Lal

> > > Kitab

> > > > Group

> > > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40>

>

> > > > > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 1:13 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mohit ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have documented response to Saini ji at

> > > > > > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro

> > > > logy/,<http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/,>which can be an

> > > > online reference

> > > > > >

> > > > > > for knowing available books on Lal Kitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truly speaking, I don't think that Lal Kitab can be taught

> in

> > > the

> > > > form of a

> > > > > > formal course at this point of time. Right now, Lal Kitab in

> > > > itself is in

> > > > > > research mode. Lal Kitab astrologers don't agree themselves

> on

> > > > the basic

> > > > > > principles of Lal Kitab. Publishing of all editions of Lal

> Kitab

> > > > in Hindi

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > under way. Origin and authorship of Lal Kitab is disputed.

> > > Unlike

> > > > classical

> > > > > > astrology, there is no supporting text available for Lal

> Kitab.

> > > > Not many

> > > > > > practical case studies have been given in Lal Kitab to

> > > understand

> > > > it

> > > > > > properly. This makes Lal Kitab at most a research material

> and

> > > > people who

> > > > > > want to devote a lot of time to research are only suited to

> Lal

> > > > Kitab at

> > > > > > this point of time. Lal Kitab is a comprehensive system

> which

> > > > talks about

> > > > > > palmistry, vastu, phrenology, astrology, remedies etc. and I

> > > have

> > > > not seen

> > > > > > even a single Lal Kitab astrologer who understand these

> fully.

> > > > Most of the

> > > > > > Lal Kitab astrologers, including myself, have limited

> knowledge

> > > > of Lal

> > > > > > Kitab. There are no gurus but all students. In my opinion,

> we

> > > are

> > > > still few

> > > > > > years fromt the time when we can systematically document Lal

> > > Kitab

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > in easy to understand form.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mohit Goel

> <mr_mohitg (AT) (DOT)

> > > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=mr_mohitg%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Puneet ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i would also like to join Mr Saini in requesting you about

> > > > details on

> > > > > > below

> > > > > > > questions. i am regular reader on this forum and since

> long i

> > > > have been

> > > > > > > wishing if someone could advise if some formal courses on

> lal

> > > > kitaab can

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > conducted for learners and to start a school /platform

> where

> > > > learned

> > > > > > gurus

> > > > > > > of LK can enlightned the new comers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > Mohit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > > al.co.uk> " <

> > > > > > > parm (AT) citizenglobal (DOT)

> > > > co.uk<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=parm%

> > > > 40citizenglobal.co.uk><parm%40citizenglob

> > > > > > al.co.uk> >

> > > > > > > lalkitab@

> > > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > > oups.com>

> > > > > > > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 4:31:13 AM

> > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in

> Lal

> > > > Kitab Group

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Puneet ji,

> > > > > > > Really appreciate your logical explanation to Parminders

> > > > concerns. I have

> > > > > > > always been inclined to Lap kitab for some unknown reason.

> > > This

> > > > mail us

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > all Lal Kitab experts and is to seek your expert advise to

> > > > assist in

> > > > > > > exploring Lal Kitab to the deepest level possible.

> Concerns /

> > > > Questions

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > 1. Which is the best reference Lal Kitab and where visit

> > > > available.

> > > > > > > 2. Which is the authentic Lal Kitab software to make

> > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > 3. Contact details of reliable Lal Kitab expert to seek

> > > advise.

> > > > > > > 4. Any formal courses available on Lal Kitab remedies.

> > > > > > > Thanking you in anticipation for your kind favour

> > > > > > > Parm Saini

> > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > > > com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=punitp%

> > > > 40gmail.com><punitp%40gmail. com>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:26:29

> > > > > > > <lalkitab@

> > > > s.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=lalkitab%

> > > > 40><lalkitab%40gr

> > > > > > oups.com> >

> > > > > > > Re: [lalkitab] please answer my mail anyone in

> Lal

> > > > Kitab Group

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Parminder ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When you have written that " Right now where the planet of

> his

> > > > kundli will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > placed after that remedy " , it shows incorrect

> understanding of

> > > > Lal Kitab

> > > > > > > which has been propagated by some of the Lal Kitab books.

> > > > Though I

> > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > that Pt. Krishna Ashant's book is a good book on Lal

> Kiab, but

> > > > the

> > > > > > > reasoning

> > > > > > > given in that book for remedies is *totally incorrect and

> > > > should not be

> > > > > > > followed*. In my opinon, most of so called Lal Kitab

> experts

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > understand the functioning of remedies and keep writing

> such

> > > > books due to

> > > > > > > ignorance or lack of understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One can not move planet from one house to another house.

> There

> > > > is no such

> > > > > > > magic given in Lal Kitab. Moving planet is not at all

> teaching

> > > > of Lal

> > > > > > > Kitab.

> > > > > > > Lal Kitab has mentioned some methods like taking help from

> > > > another

> > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > praying a planet, trying to reduce affect of some planet,

> and

> > > > removing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > mansui planet from the root of a planet etc. Working of

> Lal

> > > > Kitab

> > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > has been explained clearly in Lal Kitab and we should

> stick to

> > > > what is

> > > > > > > writen in 5 editions of Lal Kitab. Though due to complex

> > > > language used in

> > > > > > > Lal Kitab, one needs to read Lal Kitab again and again to

> > > > understand it.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > we can not move planets, there is no need to worry about

> the

> > > > post-remedy

> > > > > > > placement of the planets and suggest remedies based on the

> > > > planetary

> > > > > > > positions in birth chart and year chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > http://www.PunitAst rologer.com

> > > > <http://www.punitastrologer.com/>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, parminder singh

> > > > <pammisaggu (AT) (DOT)

> com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?

> > > > to=pammisaggu%40><pammisaggu%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi all member of LK group,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just started to read LK (Arun Shita) also I have a LAL

> > > > kitab (Pt.

> > > > > > > Krishan

> > > > > > > > Asant), I want to know one thing that is if someone

> already

> > > > done some

> > > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > by diffrent LK pundits and after that He/she will come

> to me

> > > > or someone

> > > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > then howcome I will give him/her exact remedy bec. i

> don't

> > > > know that

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > much remedy he done and how my astrologer he changed to

> > > > improve his

> > > > > > > status.

> > > > > > > > Right now where the planet of his kundli will be placed

> > > after

> > > > that

> > > > > > > remedy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in wait of your reply

> > > > > > > > parminder saggu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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