Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Bhai Jaan; 1942 gives the following as shay (items) of Sun in house no1.= din ka waqt, dayan hissa, NAMAK SAFED (white salt). Items of Saturn in house no 1 are ganda keeda/kapda, mandi aag, NAMAK SYAH (black salt) and kikkar ka ped. Page 306 0f 1952 edition says MANDIR KI ROSHNI OR JYOTI comes under SUN. and mandi aag (destructive fire) comes under shani. further female human is described as coming under Mercury, Venus and Moon in different circumstances. so items are divided amongst planets without considering their origin or end product. it gives preferrance to independent nature and identity. kulbirbains lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > I feel their is major disconnect, salt from sea is definatly an esha > of shani, because the base is of brown/black, including fish/sea > animals particles. later this is processed and become white. > > where as kala namak portion of rock is considered as pure esha of > shani. secondly same theory is applied to white cow shuker black cow > shuker + shani. > > regards, > sleekhas > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > Bhai jaan, u replied under wrong subheading and a message not > > connecting with issue. i have copied ur message and pasted it at > the > > right place. it follows my reply. > > Now coming to the reply to ur message salt is not an item of > saturn > > but SUN. lalkitab while discussing eating habits mentions that > people > > with malefic planets are inclined to eat the items governed the > items > > governed by these planets to overcome the deficiency. people with > > weak /malefic mangal are inclined towards eating sweets and > similarly > > people with strong sun are advised not to eat salt. > > kala namak has an element of saturn in it but not the sea salt. > > kulbir bains. > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > kulbir bhai, > > > > > > same type of theory is with Namak (salt) " esha of shani " know > how. i > > > have one logic. > > > made out of sea water (chanderma) no way connected with shani. > made > > > after burning (mangal) no way connected with mangal. > > > > > > but is called eshaa of shani and excess intake of it will make > sun > > > neech. how. > > > > > > sea water is mixed with all remains of sea creatures (fish etc) > > > which ever fish dies in sea get melted into sea water due to its > > > chemical composition. so micro remains of fish particles are > always > > > be there. thats why our forefather used to use lahori namak, a > type > > > of rock purely esha of saturn but without remains. but can we > leave > > > salt no but we can reduce its qty or we can switch to lahori or > > > sendha namak. > > > > > > bhai saheb bahut si cheegey hai which are scienctifally realted > or > > > proven. pandit ji has written with ilhaam we try to find out > logic. > > > his work cannot be challenged but we can try to find out things > out > > > of it. > > > > > > regards, > > > sardar leekha singh > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> > > wrote: > > > Dear shamender, Your logic has an inherent shortcoming or defect > > > because application the same logic to milk and it's products > makes > > > paneer, curd and butter all come to be covered by moon. because > the > > > origin of all these is milk. but paneer comes under saturn and > the > > > other two under venus. therefore we cannot say that fire is > covered > > > by saturn because the end product is ash or black colour. > > > i couln't find mention in ramayana or ramchritmanas where > Hanuman > > > ji requested Shani to burn lanka. from which version are u > quoting > > > this from.? > > > kulbir. > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear miglani saheb, > > > > > > > > i think you are right, but we should also go for the concept > of > > > > mushtarka greh also. there is difference of karta and karak, > > karta > > > > may be mangal but karak is shani. if we see mandir meing jalti > > hui > > > > aag is brihspat and jangal ki aag is shani, because mandir ki > aag > > > > rakh (budh) paida kereyey gi and jungle in aag (kalikh) shani > > > paida > > > > karegi. and lesser burnt (mangal + shani)(aag +lakdi) will > create > > > > coal (rahu)(mangal shani mushtarka=rahu) > > > > > > > > there is very interesting dant katha is behind it, when > hanuman > > ji > > > > lanka mein aag lega rahey they tub soney ki lanka jalney per > aur > > > > chamkney lagi thi. > > > > > > > > wahin per shani ji kaid they in rawans custody. he was confine > in > > > > cell because he has kept his feet in 11th house while sitting > in > > > 9th > > > > house at the time of rawana's son birth. this the effect of > 25% > > > > dirshti we consider in horoscope. hanuman ji made shani free > and > > > > requested him that is lanka ko rakh ker deejiyey. shani said i > > can > > > > not convert this into raakh yeh i can make it black, that why > it > > > is > > > > said soney ki lanka jal ker khaakh ho gai(kali) in lanka still > > you > > > > can find rocks in black colour but you cannot find rakh on > that > > > land. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Leekha ji, > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is not the karak of fire. Could you read this article > of > > > > Pt. > > > > > Bhooshan Priya ji written about " Agni " and " Aag " > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘Agni’ in Vedic astrology is signified by mangal. I > prefer > > > > using the > > > > > word ‘agni as against ‘aag’ in this context. > “Agni†> > > has > > > > a lot of > > > > > connotations in the Indian ethos and psyche. There are so > many > > > > > manifestations of ‘agni’ that it is difficult to > enumerate > > > all > > > > of > > > > > them here. However briefly ‘agni’ could be both visible > and > > > > non- > > > > > visible. ‘Agni’ again could be both , ‘pavitra / > > > > kalyankari’ and ‘ > > > > > vinashkari’. The ‘agni’ of the havankund or agyari , > or > > > the > > > > ‘sakshi > > > > > agni’of the marriage , are all pavitra and kalyankari. We > all > > > > know > > > > > the destructive ‘agni’ that burns and destroys. There is > > the > > > > third > > > > > one also, a non-visible ‘agni’ like the ‘jatharagni’ > > the > > > > ‘agni’ that > > > > > digests the food or known in common parlance as ‘ pet ki > > > agni : > > > > pet > > > > > ki agni bujhane ke liye roti chahiye’. Whenever there is > an > > > > > imbalance in the ‘jatharagni’ it results in digestion > > > problems > > > > and > > > > > other stomach related ailments.All these forms of ‘agni’ > > are > > > > > signified by mangal , both subh and ashub or shant and > > > prachand . > > > > > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab the ‘agni’ which is being talked about > is > > > the > > > > one > > > > > that destroys and burns , that which - jalaati hai , bhasma > > > karati > > > > > hai etc . Therefore in the context of the Lal Kitab , I > prefer > > > > using > > > > > the word ‘aag’ and not ‘agni’ . > > > > > Lal Kitab also refers to ‘jatharagni’ , not by this > name > > of > > > > > course, when mentioning ‘ prabhav beemariyan’ that > mangal- > > > > nek > > > > > signifies ‘pet ki beemariyan, haiza, pitta , aamaashaya ki > > > > > beemariyan’ And for mangal †" ashubh diseases like : > > > bhagandar , > > > > fora > > > > > nasoor etc {Arun Sanhita p 427} . > > > > > > > > > > Could this statement be taken as signifying ‘ a form of > > > sheetal > > > > > agni’ I leave it to the readers. “ nek mangal ho kiran > sone > > > > ki†{ UE > > > > > 762 ; AS 265 } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fire in Lal Kitab is represented by Mangal †" ashubh , > which > > > is > > > > in > > > > > keeping with the Vedic astrology tradition.. The word > ‘aag’ > > > > along > > > > > with other associated words like ‘jalaana’ , > ‘jalta’ , > > > > ‘bhasma karna’ > > > > > appear in the text. I am quoting Page numbers from the > original > > > > Urdu > > > > > edition given as UE --- ; and from Arun Sanhita , for every > one > > > to > > > > > verify as AS--- > > > > > > > > > > I have deliberately confined myself to the 1952 Urdu edition > of > > > > the > > > > > Lal Kitab because that is the only urdu edition I have. And > > also > > > > that > > > > > I am not charged with quoting from the Dalda books {not my > > word}. > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mangal khana # 1 { UE 488 } > > > > > > > > > > “ khud ki kismet jalti hogi aur jism mein khoon ki jagah > > pani > > > > hoga†> > > > > AS164 > > > > > > > > > > [ 2] mangal khana # 4 { UE 494 †" 502 } > > > > > > > > > > { a }“ jalati aag , badi ka sardar , jalane par aye to > sard > > > maya > > > > ke > > > > > samudra bhi jalaa de’ > > > > > > > > > > AS166 ; > > > > > > > > > > { b } mangal badi mangalik ho , jalate aag samudra mandir > ho†> > > AS > > > > 166 > > > > > > > > > > { c } “ gulzar bhara jo kabila apana , 28 bhasma jo > karata > > > > ho†AS 166 > > > > > > > > > > { d } “ akla 12 budh teve bhari , pet jala khud dukhiya > ho†> > > AS > > > > 166 > > > > > > > > > > { e } “murde sukha kar chulha jalana , raakh mangal bad > karta > > > > ho†> > > > > AS166 > > > > > > > > > > { f } “ moti bhare samudra na lekh ghar ka jalata….†> AS > > 167 > > > > > > > > > > { g } “ sukhai gayi lashon se bhatti jalana mangal bad ka > kam > > > > hai†> > > > > AS167 > > > > > > > > > > { h } “ har tarah se manda , har samay jalti aag†AS 167 > > > > > > > > > > { i } “ samudra ko aag se jala denewala ya aisi aag jo > pani > > se > > > > > bujhane ke bajay > > > > > > > > > > sare samudra ko tah tak jala de†AS 167 > > > > > > > > > > { j } “ aur mangal bad mangalik ki aag jor par hogi†AS > 168 > > > > > > > > > > { k }†dukhon se mara hua bewqoof tang , andar ke jalte > hue > > > > khoon se > > > > > tarapta > > > > > > > > > > phireâ€AS169 > > > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] Mangal khana # 6 { UE 506 } > > > > > > > > > > “himmat se bhara hua pataal aur pani mein bhi aag jala > dene > > ki > > > > > shakti†AS171 > > > > > > > > > > [ 4 ] Mangal khana # 8 { UE 512 †" 515 } > > > > > > > > > > { a } “ vachan bewa deti jo neki ka tujhako, bhujhe aag > khud > > > hi > > > > jala > > > > > deti jo ghar > > > > > > > > > > ko†AS173 > > > > > > > > > > { b } “ tandoor mitti ho jab ghar jalata , bachata baki na > > koi > > > > ho†AS > > > > > 173 > > > > > > > > > > { c } “ aayu daulat khud apani lambi , jalata jalaata > auron > > ko > > > > ho†> > > > > AS173 > > > > > > > > > > { d } “ chahe aayu ka swami Chandra kaisa hi baitha ho > jalata > > > > jalaata > > > > > dusaron > > > > > > > > > > ko hoga†AS173 > > > > > > > > > > [ 5 ] mangal khana # 10 { UE 518 †" 520 } > > > > > > > > > > { a } “ bike ghar se sona to ho dhudh jalata†AS175 > > > > > > > > > > { b }†Chandra ravi guru 6 , 3 baithe , jalata jangal jar > > > > ghatata ho†> > > > > AS 175 > > > > > > > > > > { c } “ guru nashta ,surya barbaad, manda sona ,mandi hawa > jo > > > > jalatee > > > > > phire†AS176 > > > > > > > > > > [ 6 ] mangal + guru { UE 762 †" 765 } > > > > > > > > > > { a } “ aag mangal bad jalata parayee, ketu raddi budh > manda > > > > ho†AS > > > > > 265 > > > > > > > > > > { b } “ ghar 4 , 6 khali hove , khoon beemari jalata ho†> > > AS266 > > > > > > > > > > [ 7 ] mangal + shukra { UE 851 †" 855} > > > > > > > > > > { a } “mangalik mangal saath jo milata , aag mitti sab > jalata > > > > ho†AS > > > > > 299 > > > > > > > > > > { b } in khana 2 “ sab kuchh unka aag mein jalata , papi > > > mangal > > > > bad > > > > > milata ho†AS299 > > > > > > > > > > [ 8 ] Mangal + Budh { UE 872 †" 877 } > > > > > > > > > > { a } in house # 4 “budh akele beshaq uttam , rakh zamana > > > milata > > > > do†> > > > > AS307 > > > > > > > > > > { b } in khana # 11 “ makan tabele daulat jalati, har hani > > sab > > > > deta > > > > > ho†AS308 > > > > > > > > > > Well , all these excerpts are sufficient enough to make me > > > believe > > > > > that mangal-ashubh signifies ‘aag’ in the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > one thing is to be cleared, burning have two things one is > > > heat > > > > and > > > > > > second is fire. heat is related to sun and fire is related > to > > > > shani. > > > > > > > > > > > > heating(sun) not friendly with ghee(shukra) can be > > > > understandable. > > > > > > but burning (jyot)(shani) of shee(shukra) are friendly > should > > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > taken as inauspicious. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us also have learned gurus view on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected S leekhas ji, > > > > > > > I mentioned the use of dung that is really decomposed. > such > > > > > > > decomposed dung is used for manure in fields not in > homes. > > > > fresh > > > > > > > dung is used for pasting the kacha floors ( an item of > > > venus) > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > believed that the digestive system of cow destroys or > > > absorbs > > > > the > > > > > > > malefic tendency of barley etc and therefore cow dung is > > > > treated > > > > > > as > > > > > > > auspicious. > > > > > > > the cow-dung cakes used for cooking are round in shape > and > > > > dries > > > > > > but > > > > > > > not decomposed.and the decomposed ones are not used but > > > > discarded. > > > > > > > the dung used in agarbatis is decomposed very much. its > > > colour > > > > > > turns > > > > > > > to black from brown. brown ones are used for burning and > > > > pasting. > > > > > > > in the case of jyot, the batti is made of pure cotton > and > > > > put > > > > > in > > > > > > > ghee, both items of shudh venus. when we light it, venus > is > > > > burnt > > > > > > by > > > > > > > the heat of sun. sun is natural enemy of venus. > > > > > > > if the tewa has such a combination that sun is harming > > > venus, > > > > > this > > > > > > > act further acts as a catalyst. > > > > > > > miglani ji has already explained it and the bamboo part. > > > > > > > thanx and regards > > > > > > > kulbir. > > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am too small to comment but need some guidence > > > submitting > > > > in > > > > > > > BOLD, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the prohibition of burning bamboo is neither from > > > Vedic > > > > > nor > > > > > > > Lal > > > > > > > > > Kitab. This is a folk tradition. The tradition comes > > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > arthi > > > > > > > > > of a dead man. Since the arthi is made of bamboo and > is > > > > burnt > > > > > > > > along > with the dead body. Therefore burning bamboo > in > > > any > > > > > form > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not considered auspicious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, ONLY KNOWING THAT SOME GROUP > (BANS) > > > > AVOID > > > > > > IT. > > > > > > > > SECONDLY TOO MANY OTHER THINGS ARE RELATED TO THIS > DONOT > > > > THINK > > > > > > ALL > > > > > > > > ARE BANNED/AVOIDED BY PEOPLES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to the Lal Kitab, burning bamboo would mean > > > > destroying > > > > > > > > > Mercury. It wouldn't be wise to destroy buddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOUGH BUDDHI IS RELATED TO BUDH (MERCURY)ONLY BUT > > > > DESTROYING > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > RELATED TO RAHU, THAT'S WHY MAKING/KEEPING HEAVY SMOKE > IN > > > > HOUSE > > > > > > IS > > > > > > > > PROHIBITED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab follows century old collective folk > wisdom, > > > > known > > > > > as > > > > > > > > folk tradition. Even though it may not be mentioned in > > the > > > > Lal > > > > > > > Kitab > > > > > > > > as such, but we have our own intelligence to figure it > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GOOD JOB BEING DONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) cow dung and urine is very commonly used in most > of > > > > the > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > homes. Upale of dung are also used for cooking. But > > > using > > > > > dung > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > burning before a deity in any form and creating > smoke [ > > > > > rahu ] > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > not be advisable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COW DUNG IS ALWAYS TAKEN AS AN AUSPICIOUS THING. EVEN > IN > > > > > MATHURA > > > > > > > > TEMPLES PANCHAMRAT CONSIST ALL. BURNING OF DHOOP/UPLAS > > ARE > > > > > > > > CONSIDERED CREATION OF SMOKE (RAHU)BUT JOT I DOUBT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) desi ghee is an ashiya of Venus. With Venus and > > Sun > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 2nd , the house of Venus, it will not be advisable > to > > > > destroy > > > > > > > > Venus by burning it because it will weaken the Venus > even > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > Remember Venus is already withered in the company of > the > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OKAY, BURNING OF DESI GHEE IS PROHIBITED FOR SUN VEN > IN > > > > SECOND. > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > ABOUT EATING, I FOUND PEOPLE WITH SUN/SHUKRA > COMBINATION > > > > FOUND > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > EATING PARANTHA, DESI GHEE'S SWEET, JALEBI'S. I FEEL > ALL > > > > THIS > > > > > > > > INVOLVE BOILING/BURNING OF GHEE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > > > > S LEEKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " > <sleekhas@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we are diverting our selves from LK > learning > > > to > > > > > some > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burning of bamboo(baans) is prohibited in > vedic/hindu > > > > > theory? > > > > > > > > > > do u have any proof that LK restrict it. if yes > > please > > > > > share > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) using of dung in aggarbatti, may be but in lal > > > kitab > > > > we > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > cow > > > > > > > > > > urine for dropping on floor, Gohey for burning of > > > saunf > > > > > > > > etc,feeding > > > > > > > > > > of cow is also recommended on several places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) burning of jot of desi ghee when suraj te > shuker > > > > > > doosrey, > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > debate on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us have healthly discussions, I am not an > expert > > > > like u > > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dera sleekhas ji, i would like to draw ur > attention > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > aggarbatis usually contain bamboo stick parts > and > > > > burning > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > bamboo > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > prohibited. secondly in the manufature of > > > agarbattis, > > > > > very > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > decomposed manure/dung is used to keep it > burning > > > > > > > continuously. > > > > > > > > > > > secondly burning of jot of desi ghee is > prohibited > > > for > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > shukra and sun in second house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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