quoting Pt. Bhooshan Priya/ sleekhas II

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Bhai jaan, u replied under wrong subheading and a message not

connecting with issue. i have copied ur message and pasted it at the

right place. it follows my reply.

Now coming to the reply to ur message salt is not an item of saturn

but SUN. lalkitab while discussing eating habits mentions that people

with malefic planets are inclined to eat the items governed the items

governed by these planets to overcome the deficiency. people with

weak /malefic mangal are inclined towards eating sweets and similarly

people with strong sun are advised not to eat salt.

kala namak has an element of saturn in it but not the sea salt.

kulbir bains.

lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote:

>

> kulbir bhai,

>

> same type of theory is with Namak (salt) " esha of shani " know how. i

> have one logic.

> made out of sea water (chanderma) no way connected with shani. made

> after burning (mangal) no way connected with mangal.

>

> but is called eshaa of shani and excess intake of it will make sun

> neech. how.

>

> sea water is mixed with all remains of sea creatures (fish etc)

> which ever fish dies in sea get melted into sea water due to its

> chemical composition. so micro remains of fish particles are always

> be there. thats why our forefather used to use lahori namak, a type

> of rock purely esha of saturn but without remains. but can we leave

> salt no but we can reduce its qty or we can switch to lahori or

> sendha namak.

>

> bhai saheb bahut si cheegey hai which are scienctifally realted or

> proven. pandit ji has written with ilhaam we try to find out logic.

> his work cannot be challenged but we can try to find out things out

> of it.

>

> regards,

> sardar leekha singh

lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains

wrote:

> Dear shamender, Your logic has an inherent shortcoming or defect

> because application the same logic to milk and it's products makes

> paneer, curd and butter all come to be covered by moon. because the

> origin of all these is milk. but paneer comes under saturn and the

> other two under venus. therefore we cannot say that fire is covered

> by saturn because the end product is ash or black colour.

> i couln't find mention in ramayana or ramchritmanas where Hanuman

> ji requested Shani to burn lanka. from which version are u quoting

> this from.?

> kulbir.

> lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote:

> >

> > dear miglani saheb,

> >

> > i think you are right, but we should also go for the concept of

> > mushtarka greh also. there is difference of karta and karak,

karta

> > may be mangal but karak is shani. if we see mandir meing jalti

hui

> > aag is brihspat and jangal ki aag is shani, because mandir ki aag

> > rakh (budh) paida kereyey gi and jungle in aag (kalikh) shani

> paida

> > karegi. and lesser burnt (mangal + shani)(aag +lakdi) will create

> > coal (rahu)(mangal shani mushtarka=rahu)

> >

> > there is very interesting dant katha is behind it, when hanuman

ji

> > lanka mein aag lega rahey they tub soney ki lanka jalney per aur

> > chamkney lagi thi.

> >

> > wahin per shani ji kaid they in rawans custody. he was confine in

> > cell because he has kept his feet in 11th house while sitting in

> 9th

> > house at the time of rawana's son birth. this the effect of 25%

> > dirshti we consider in horoscope. hanuman ji made shani free and

> > requested him that is lanka ko rakh ker deejiyey. shani said i

can

> > not convert this into raakh yeh i can make it black, that why it

> is

> > said soney ki lanka jal ker khaakh ho gai(kali) in lanka still

you

> > can find rocks in black colour but you cannot find rakh on that

> land.

> >

> > regards,

> > leekha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Leekha ji,

> > >

> > > Saturn is not the karak of fire. Could you read this article of

> > Pt.

> > > Bhooshan Priya ji written about " Agni " and " Aag "

> > >

> > > sincerely,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > >

> > > ‘Agni’ in Vedic astrology is signified by mangal. I prefer

> > using the

> > > word ‘agni as against ‘aag’ in this context. “Agniâ€

> has

> > a lot of

> > > connotations in the Indian ethos and psyche. There are so many

> > > manifestations of ‘agni’ that it is difficult to enumerate

> all

> > of

> > > them here. However briefly ‘agni’ could be both visible and

> > non-

> > > visible. ‘Agni’ again could be both , ‘pavitra /

> > kalyankari’ and ‘

> > > vinashkari’. The ‘agni’ of the havankund or agyari , or

> the

> > ‘sakshi

> > > agni’of the marriage , are all pavitra and kalyankari. We all

> > know

> > > the destructive ‘agni’ that burns and destroys. There is

the

> > third

> > > one also, a non-visible ‘agni’ like the ‘jatharagni’

the

> > ‘agni’ that

> > > digests the food or known in common parlance as ‘ pet ki

> agni :

> > pet

> > > ki agni bujhane ke liye roti chahiye’. Whenever there is an

> > > imbalance in the ‘jatharagni’ it results in digestion

> problems

> > and

> > > other stomach related ailments.All these forms of ‘agni’

are

> > > signified by mangal , both subh and ashub or shant and

> prachand .

> > >

> > > In the Lal Kitab the ‘agni’ which is being talked about is

> the

> > one

> > > that destroys and burns , that which - jalaati hai , bhasma

> karati

> > > hai etc . Therefore in the context of the Lal Kitab , I prefer

> > using

> > > the word ‘aag’ and not ‘agni’ .

> > > Lal Kitab also refers to ‘jatharagni’ , not by this name

of

> > > course, when mentioning ‘ prabhav beemariyan’ that mangal-

> > nek

> > > signifies ‘pet ki beemariyan, haiza, pitta , aamaashaya ki

> > > beemariyan’ And for mangal †" ashubh diseases like :

> bhagandar ,

> > fora

> > > nasoor etc {Arun Sanhita p 427} .

> > >

> > > Could this statement be taken as signifying ‘ a form of

> sheetal

> > > agni’ I leave it to the readers. “ nek mangal ho kiran sone

> > ki†{ UE

> > > 762 ; AS 265 }

> > >

> > >

> > > Fire in Lal Kitab is represented by Mangal †" ashubh , which

> is

> > in

> > > keeping with the Vedic astrology tradition.. The word ‘aag’

> > along

> > > with other associated words like ‘jalaana’ , ‘jalta’ ,

> > ‘bhasma karna’

> > > appear in the text. I am quoting Page numbers from the original

> > Urdu

> > > edition given as UE --- ; and from Arun Sanhita , for every one

> to

> > > verify as AS---

> > >

> > > I have deliberately confined myself to the 1952 Urdu edition of

> > the

> > > Lal Kitab because that is the only urdu edition I have. And

also

> > that

> > > I am not charged with quoting from the Dalda books {not my

word}.

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] Mangal khana # 1 { UE 488 }

> > >

> > > “ khud ki kismet jalti hogi aur jism mein khoon ki jagah

pani

> > hogaâ€

> > > AS164

> > >

> > > [ 2] mangal khana # 4 { UE 494 †" 502 }

> > >

> > > { a }“ jalati aag , badi ka sardar , jalane par aye to sard

> maya

> > ke

> > > samudra bhi jalaa de’

> > >

> > > AS166 ;

> > >

> > > { b } mangal badi mangalik ho , jalate aag samudra mandir hoâ€

> AS

> > 166

> > >

> > > { c } “ gulzar bhara jo kabila apana , 28 bhasma jo karata

> > ho†AS 166

> > >

> > > { d } “ akla 12 budh teve bhari , pet jala khud dukhiya hoâ€

> AS

> > 166

> > >

> > > { e } “murde sukha kar chulha jalana , raakh mangal bad karta

> > hoâ€

> > > AS166

> > >

> > > { f } “ moti bhare samudra na lekh ghar ka jalata….†AS

167

> > >

> > > { g } “ sukhai gayi lashon se bhatti jalana mangal bad ka kam

> > haiâ€

> > > AS167

> > >

> > > { h } “ har tarah se manda , har samay jalti aag†AS 167

> > >

> > > { i } “ samudra ko aag se jala denewala ya aisi aag jo pani

se

> > > bujhane ke bajay

> > >

> > > sare samudra ko tah tak jala de†AS 167

> > >

> > > { j } “ aur mangal bad mangalik ki aag jor par hogi†AS 168

> > >

> > > { k }†dukhon se mara hua bewqoof tang , andar ke jalte hue

> > khoon se

> > > tarapta

> > >

> > > phireâ€AS169

> > >

> > > [ 3 ] Mangal khana # 6 { UE 506 }

> > >

> > > “himmat se bhara hua pataal aur pani mein bhi aag jala dene

ki

> > > shakti†AS171

> > >

> > > [ 4 ] Mangal khana # 8 { UE 512 †" 515 }

> > >

> > > { a } “ vachan bewa deti jo neki ka tujhako, bhujhe aag khud

> hi

> > jala

> > > deti jo ghar

> > >

> > > ko†AS173

> > >

> > > { b } “ tandoor mitti ho jab ghar jalata , bachata baki na

koi

> > ho†AS

> > > 173

> > >

> > > { c } “ aayu daulat khud apani lambi , jalata jalaata auron

ko

> > hoâ€

> > > AS173

> > >

> > > { d } “ chahe aayu ka swami Chandra kaisa hi baitha ho jalata

> > jalaata

> > > dusaron

> > >

> > > ko hoga†AS173

> > >

> > > [ 5 ] mangal khana # 10 { UE 518 †" 520 }

> > >

> > > { a } “ bike ghar se sona to ho dhudh jalata†AS175

> > >

> > > { b }†Chandra ravi guru 6 , 3 baithe , jalata jangal jar

> > ghatata hoâ€

> > > AS 175

> > >

> > > { c } “ guru nashta ,surya barbaad, manda sona ,mandi hawa jo

> > jalatee

> > > phire†AS176

> > >

> > > [ 6 ] mangal + guru { UE 762 †" 765 }

> > >

> > > { a } “ aag mangal bad jalata parayee, ketu raddi budh manda

> > ho†AS

> > > 265

> > >

> > > { b } “ ghar 4 , 6 khali hove , khoon beemari jalata hoâ€

> AS266

> > >

> > > [ 7 ] mangal + shukra { UE 851 †" 855}

> > >

> > > { a } “mangalik mangal saath jo milata , aag mitti sab jalata

> > ho†AS

> > > 299

> > >

> > > { b } in khana 2 “ sab kuchh unka aag mein jalata , papi

> mangal

> > bad

> > > milata ho†AS299

> > >

> > > [ 8 ] Mangal + Budh { UE 872 †" 877 }

> > >

> > > { a } in house # 4 “budh akele beshaq uttam , rakh zamana

> milata

> > doâ€

> > > AS307

> > >

> > > { b } in khana # 11 “ makan tabele daulat jalati, har hani

sab

> > deta

> > > ho†AS308

> > >

> > > Well , all these excerpts are sufficient enough to make me

> believe

> > > that mangal-ashubh signifies ‘aag’ in the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Bhooshan Priya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > one thing is to be cleared, burning have two things one is

> heat

> > and

> > > > second is fire. heat is related to sun and fire is related to

> > shani.

> > > >

> > > > heating(sun) not friendly with ghee(shukra) can be

> > understandable.

> > > > but burning (jyot)(shani) of shee(shukra) are friendly should

> > not

> > > be

> > > > taken as inauspicious.

> > > >

> > > > Let us also have learned gurus view on it.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > s leekha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected S leekhas ji,

> > > > > I mentioned the use of dung that is really decomposed. such

> > > > > decomposed dung is used for manure in fields not in homes.

> > fresh

> > > > > dung is used for pasting the kacha floors ( an item of

> venus)

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > believed that the digestive system of cow destroys or

> absorbs

> > the

> > > > > malefic tendency of barley etc and therefore cow dung is

> > treated

> > > > as

> > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > the cow-dung cakes used for cooking are round in shape and

> > dries

> > > > but

> > > > > not decomposed.and the decomposed ones are not used but

> > discarded.

> > > > > the dung used in agarbatis is decomposed very much. its

> colour

> > > > turns

> > > > > to black from brown. brown ones are used for burning and

> > pasting.

> > > > > in the case of jyot, the batti is made of pure cotton and

> > put

> > > in

> > > > > ghee, both items of shudh venus. when we light it, venus is

> > burnt

> > > > by

> > > > > the heat of sun. sun is natural enemy of venus.

> > > > > if the tewa has such a combination that sun is harming

> venus,

> > > this

> > > > > act further acts as a catalyst.

> > > > > miglani ji has already explained it and the bamboo part.

> > > > > thanx and regards

> > > > > kulbir.

> > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Miglani ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am too small to comment but need some guidence

> submitting

> > in

> > > > > BOLD,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > i) the prohibition of burning bamboo is neither from

> Vedic

> > > nor

> > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > Kitab. This is a folk tradition. The tradition comes

> from

> > the

> > > > > arthi

> > > > > > > of a dead man. Since the arthi is made of bamboo and is

> > burnt

> > > > > > along > with the dead body. Therefore burning bamboo in

> any

> > > form

> > > > > is

> > > > > > not considered auspicious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, ONLY KNOWING THAT SOME GROUP (BANS)

> > AVOID

> > > > IT.

> > > > > > SECONDLY TOO MANY OTHER THINGS ARE RELATED TO THIS DONOT

> > THINK

> > > > ALL

> > > > > > ARE BANNED/AVOIDED BY PEOPLES.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Coming to the Lal Kitab, burning bamboo would mean

> > destroying

> > > > > > > Mercury. It wouldn't be wise to destroy buddhi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THOUGH BUDDHI IS RELATED TO BUDH (MERCURY)ONLY BUT

> > DESTROYING

> > > IS

> > > > > > RELATED TO RAHU, THAT'S WHY MAKING/KEEPING HEAVY SMOKE IN

> > HOUSE

> > > > IS

> > > > > > PROHIBITED.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lal Kitab follows century old collective folk wisdom,

> > known

> > > as

> > > > > > folk tradition. Even though it may not be mentioned in

the

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > as such, but we have our own intelligence to figure it

out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GOOD JOB BEING DONE

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ii) cow dung and urine is very commonly used in most of

> > the

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > homes. Upale of dung are also used for cooking. But

> using

> > > dung

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > burning before a deity in any form and creating smoke [

> > > rahu ]

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > not be advisable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > COW DUNG IS ALWAYS TAKEN AS AN AUSPICIOUS THING. EVEN IN

> > > MATHURA

> > > > > > TEMPLES PANCHAMRAT CONSIST ALL. BURNING OF DHOOP/UPLAS

ARE

> > > > > > CONSIDERED CREATION OF SMOKE (RAHU)BUT JOT I DOUBT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > iii) desi ghee is an ashiya of Venus. With Venus and

Sun

> > > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 2nd , the house of Venus, it will not be advisable to

> > destroy

> > > > > > Venus by burning it because it will weaken the Venus even

> > > > further.

> > > > > > Remember Venus is already withered in the company of the

> Sun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OKAY, BURNING OF DESI GHEE IS PROHIBITED FOR SUN VEN IN

> > SECOND.

> > > > > WHAT

> > > > > > ABOUT EATING, I FOUND PEOPLE WITH SUN/SHUKRA COMBINATION

> > FOUND

> > > > OF

> > > > > > EATING PARANTHA, DESI GHEE'S SWEET, JALEBI'S. I FEEL ALL

> > THIS

> > > > > > INVOLVE BOILING/BURNING OF GHEE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > > > S LEEKHA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think we are diverting our selves from LK learning

> to

> > > some

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > burning of bamboo(baans) is prohibited in vedic/hindu

> > > theory?

> > > > > > > > do u have any proof that LK restrict it. if yes

please

> > > share

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ii) using of dung in aggarbatti, may be but in lal

> kitab

> > we

> > > > > use

> > > > > > cow

> > > > > > > > urine for dropping on floor, Gohey for burning of

> saunf

> > > > > > etc,feeding

> > > > > > > > of cow is also recommended on several places.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > iii) burning of jot of desi ghee when suraj te shuker

> > > > doosrey,

> > > > > > let

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > debate on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us have healthly discussions, I am not an expert

> > like u

> > > > > all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > s leekha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains "

> > > > <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dera sleekhas ji, i would like to draw ur attention

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > aggarbatis usually contain bamboo stick parts and

> > burning

> > > > of

> > > > > > > bamboo

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > prohibited. secondly in the manufature of

> agarbattis,

> > > very

> > > > > old

> > > > > > > > > decomposed manure/dung is used to keep it burning

> > > > > continuously.

> > > > > > > > > secondly burning of jot of desi ghee is prohibited

> for

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > shukra and sun in second house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

I feel their is major disconnect, salt from sea is definatly an esha

of shani, because the base is of brown/black, including fish/sea

animals particles. later this is processed and become white.

 

where as kala namak portion of rock is considered as pure esha of

shani. secondly same theory is applied to white cow shuker black cow

shuker + shani.

 

regards,

sleekhas

 

 

lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Bhai jaan, u replied under wrong subheading and a message not

> connecting with issue. i have copied ur message and pasted it at

the

> right place. it follows my reply.

> Now coming to the reply to ur message salt is not an item of

saturn

> but SUN. lalkitab while discussing eating habits mentions that

people

> with malefic planets are inclined to eat the items governed the

items

> governed by these planets to overcome the deficiency. people with

> weak /malefic mangal are inclined towards eating sweets and

similarly

> people with strong sun are advised not to eat salt.

> kala namak has an element of saturn in it but not the sea salt.

> kulbir bains.

> lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote:

> >

> > kulbir bhai,

> >

> > same type of theory is with Namak (salt) " esha of shani " know

how. i

> > have one logic.

> > made out of sea water (chanderma) no way connected with shani.

made

> > after burning (mangal) no way connected with mangal.

> >

> > but is called eshaa of shani and excess intake of it will make

sun

> > neech. how.

> >

> > sea water is mixed with all remains of sea creatures (fish etc)

> > which ever fish dies in sea get melted into sea water due to its

> > chemical composition. so micro remains of fish particles are

always

> > be there. thats why our forefather used to use lahori namak, a

type

> > of rock purely esha of saturn but without remains. but can we

leave

> > salt no but we can reduce its qty or we can switch to lahori or

> > sendha namak.

> >

> > bhai saheb bahut si cheegey hai which are scienctifally realted

or

> > proven. pandit ji has written with ilhaam we try to find out

logic.

> > his work cannot be challenged but we can try to find out things

out

> > of it.

> >

> > regards,

> > sardar leekha singh

> lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@>

> wrote:

> > Dear shamender, Your logic has an inherent shortcoming or defect

> > because application the same logic to milk and it's products

makes

> > paneer, curd and butter all come to be covered by moon. because

the

> > origin of all these is milk. but paneer comes under saturn and

the

> > other two under venus. therefore we cannot say that fire is

covered

> > by saturn because the end product is ash or black colour.

> > i couln't find mention in ramayana or ramchritmanas where

Hanuman

> > ji requested Shani to burn lanka. from which version are u

quoting

> > this from.?

> > kulbir.

> > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear miglani saheb,

> > >

> > > i think you are right, but we should also go for the concept

of

> > > mushtarka greh also. there is difference of karta and karak,

> karta

> > > may be mangal but karak is shani. if we see mandir meing jalti

> hui

> > > aag is brihspat and jangal ki aag is shani, because mandir ki

aag

> > > rakh (budh) paida kereyey gi and jungle in aag (kalikh) shani

> > paida

> > > karegi. and lesser burnt (mangal + shani)(aag +lakdi) will

create

> > > coal (rahu)(mangal shani mushtarka=rahu)

> > >

> > > there is very interesting dant katha is behind it, when

hanuman

> ji

> > > lanka mein aag lega rahey they tub soney ki lanka jalney per

aur

> > > chamkney lagi thi.

> > >

> > > wahin per shani ji kaid they in rawans custody. he was confine

in

> > > cell because he has kept his feet in 11th house while sitting

in

> > 9th

> > > house at the time of rawana's son birth. this the effect of

25%

> > > dirshti we consider in horoscope. hanuman ji made shani free

and

> > > requested him that is lanka ko rakh ker deejiyey. shani said i

> can

> > > not convert this into raakh yeh i can make it black, that why

it

> > is

> > > said soney ki lanka jal ker khaakh ho gai(kali) in lanka still

> you

> > > can find rocks in black colour but you cannot find rakh on

that

> > land.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > leekha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > lalkitab , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Leekha ji,

> > > >

> > > > Saturn is not the karak of fire. Could you read this article

of

> > > Pt.

> > > > Bhooshan Priya ji written about " Agni " and " Aag "

> > > >

> > > > sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ‘Agni’ in Vedic astrology is signified by mangal. I

prefer

> > > using the

> > > > word ‘agni as against ‘aag’ in this context.

“Agniâ€

> > has

> > > a lot of

> > > > connotations in the Indian ethos and psyche. There are so

many

> > > > manifestations of ‘agni’ that it is difficult to

enumerate

> > all

> > > of

> > > > them here. However briefly ‘agni’ could be both visible

and

> > > non-

> > > > visible. ‘Agni’ again could be both , ‘pavitra /

> > > kalyankari’ and ‘

> > > > vinashkari’. The ‘agni’ of the havankund or agyari ,

or

> > the

> > > ‘sakshi

> > > > agni’of the marriage , are all pavitra and kalyankari. We

all

> > > know

> > > > the destructive ‘agni’ that burns and destroys. There is

> the

> > > third

> > > > one also, a non-visible ‘agni’ like the ‘jatharagni’

> the

> > > ‘agni’ that

> > > > digests the food or known in common parlance as ‘ pet ki

> > agni :

> > > pet

> > > > ki agni bujhane ke liye roti chahiye’. Whenever there is

an

> > > > imbalance in the ‘jatharagni’ it results in digestion

> > problems

> > > and

> > > > other stomach related ailments.All these forms of ‘agni’

> are

> > > > signified by mangal , both subh and ashub or shant and

> > prachand .

> > > >

> > > > In the Lal Kitab the ‘agni’ which is being talked about

is

> > the

> > > one

> > > > that destroys and burns , that which - jalaati hai , bhasma

> > karati

> > > > hai etc . Therefore in the context of the Lal Kitab , I

prefer

> > > using

> > > > the word ‘aag’ and not ‘agni’ .

> > > > Lal Kitab also refers to ‘jatharagni’ , not by this

name

> of

> > > > course, when mentioning ‘ prabhav beemariyan’ that

mangal-

> > > nek

> > > > signifies ‘pet ki beemariyan, haiza, pitta , aamaashaya ki

> > > > beemariyan’ And for mangal †" ashubh diseases like :

> > bhagandar ,

> > > fora

> > > > nasoor etc {Arun Sanhita p 427} .

> > > >

> > > > Could this statement be taken as signifying ‘ a form of

> > sheetal

> > > > agni’ I leave it to the readers. “ nek mangal ho kiran

sone

> > > ki†{ UE

> > > > 762 ; AS 265 }

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Fire in Lal Kitab is represented by Mangal †" ashubh ,

which

> > is

> > > in

> > > > keeping with the Vedic astrology tradition.. The word

‘aag’

> > > along

> > > > with other associated words like ‘jalaana’ ,

‘jalta’ ,

> > > ‘bhasma karna’

> > > > appear in the text. I am quoting Page numbers from the

original

> > > Urdu

> > > > edition given as UE --- ; and from Arun Sanhita , for every

one

> > to

> > > > verify as AS---

> > > >

> > > > I have deliberately confined myself to the 1952 Urdu edition

of

> > > the

> > > > Lal Kitab because that is the only urdu edition I have. And

> also

> > > that

> > > > I am not charged with quoting from the Dalda books {not my

> word}.

> > > >

> > > > [ 1 ] Mangal khana # 1 { UE 488 }

> > > >

> > > > “ khud ki kismet jalti hogi aur jism mein khoon ki jagah

> pani

> > > hogaâ€

> > > > AS164

> > > >

> > > > [ 2] mangal khana # 4 { UE 494 †" 502 }

> > > >

> > > > { a }“ jalati aag , badi ka sardar , jalane par aye to

sard

> > maya

> > > ke

> > > > samudra bhi jalaa de’

> > > >

> > > > AS166 ;

> > > >

> > > > { b } mangal badi mangalik ho , jalate aag samudra mandir

hoâ€

> > AS

> > > 166

> > > >

> > > > { c } “ gulzar bhara jo kabila apana , 28 bhasma jo

karata

> > > ho†AS 166

> > > >

> > > > { d } “ akla 12 budh teve bhari , pet jala khud dukhiya

hoâ€

> > AS

> > > 166

> > > >

> > > > { e } “murde sukha kar chulha jalana , raakh mangal bad

karta

> > > hoâ€

> > > > AS166

> > > >

> > > > { f } “ moti bhare samudra na lekh ghar ka jalata….â€

AS

> 167

> > > >

> > > > { g } “ sukhai gayi lashon se bhatti jalana mangal bad ka

kam

> > > haiâ€

> > > > AS167

> > > >

> > > > { h } “ har tarah se manda , har samay jalti aag†AS 167

> > > >

> > > > { i } “ samudra ko aag se jala denewala ya aisi aag jo

pani

> se

> > > > bujhane ke bajay

> > > >

> > > > sare samudra ko tah tak jala de†AS 167

> > > >

> > > > { j } “ aur mangal bad mangalik ki aag jor par hogi†AS

168

> > > >

> > > > { k }†dukhon se mara hua bewqoof tang , andar ke jalte

hue

> > > khoon se

> > > > tarapta

> > > >

> > > > phireâ€AS169

> > > >

> > > > [ 3 ] Mangal khana # 6 { UE 506 }

> > > >

> > > > “himmat se bhara hua pataal aur pani mein bhi aag jala

dene

> ki

> > > > shakti†AS171

> > > >

> > > > [ 4 ] Mangal khana # 8 { UE 512 †" 515 }

> > > >

> > > > { a } “ vachan bewa deti jo neki ka tujhako, bhujhe aag

khud

> > hi

> > > jala

> > > > deti jo ghar

> > > >

> > > > ko†AS173

> > > >

> > > > { b } “ tandoor mitti ho jab ghar jalata , bachata baki na

> koi

> > > ho†AS

> > > > 173

> > > >

> > > > { c } “ aayu daulat khud apani lambi , jalata jalaata

auron

> ko

> > > hoâ€

> > > > AS173

> > > >

> > > > { d } “ chahe aayu ka swami Chandra kaisa hi baitha ho

jalata

> > > jalaata

> > > > dusaron

> > > >

> > > > ko hoga†AS173

> > > >

> > > > [ 5 ] mangal khana # 10 { UE 518 †" 520 }

> > > >

> > > > { a } “ bike ghar se sona to ho dhudh jalata†AS175

> > > >

> > > > { b }†Chandra ravi guru 6 , 3 baithe , jalata jangal jar

> > > ghatata hoâ€

> > > > AS 175

> > > >

> > > > { c } “ guru nashta ,surya barbaad, manda sona ,mandi hawa

jo

> > > jalatee

> > > > phire†AS176

> > > >

> > > > [ 6 ] mangal + guru { UE 762 †" 765 }

> > > >

> > > > { a } “ aag mangal bad jalata parayee, ketu raddi budh

manda

> > > ho†AS

> > > > 265

> > > >

> > > > { b } “ ghar 4 , 6 khali hove , khoon beemari jalata hoâ€

> > AS266

> > > >

> > > > [ 7 ] mangal + shukra { UE 851 †" 855}

> > > >

> > > > { a } “mangalik mangal saath jo milata , aag mitti sab

jalata

> > > ho†AS

> > > > 299

> > > >

> > > > { b } in khana 2 “ sab kuchh unka aag mein jalata , papi

> > mangal

> > > bad

> > > > milata ho†AS299

> > > >

> > > > [ 8 ] Mangal + Budh { UE 872 †" 877 }

> > > >

> > > > { a } in house # 4 “budh akele beshaq uttam , rakh zamana

> > milata

> > > doâ€

> > > > AS307

> > > >

> > > > { b } in khana # 11 “ makan tabele daulat jalati, har hani

> sab

> > > deta

> > > > ho†AS308

> > > >

> > > > Well , all these excerpts are sufficient enough to make me

> > believe

> > > > that mangal-ashubh signifies ‘aag’ in the Lal Kitab.

> > > >

> > > > Bhooshan Priya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > one thing is to be cleared, burning have two things one is

> > heat

> > > and

> > > > > second is fire. heat is related to sun and fire is related

to

> > > shani.

> > > > >

> > > > > heating(sun) not friendly with ghee(shukra) can be

> > > understandable.

> > > > > but burning (jyot)(shani) of shee(shukra) are friendly

should

> > > not

> > > > be

> > > > > taken as inauspicious.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us also have learned gurus view on it.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > s leekha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains "

<kulbirbains@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected S leekhas ji,

> > > > > > I mentioned the use of dung that is really decomposed.

such

> > > > > > decomposed dung is used for manure in fields not in

homes.

> > > fresh

> > > > > > dung is used for pasting the kacha floors ( an item of

> > venus)

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > believed that the digestive system of cow destroys or

> > absorbs

> > > the

> > > > > > malefic tendency of barley etc and therefore cow dung is

> > > treated

> > > > > as

> > > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > the cow-dung cakes used for cooking are round in shape

and

> > > dries

> > > > > but

> > > > > > not decomposed.and the decomposed ones are not used but

> > > discarded.

> > > > > > the dung used in agarbatis is decomposed very much. its

> > colour

> > > > > turns

> > > > > > to black from brown. brown ones are used for burning and

> > > pasting.

> > > > > > in the case of jyot, the batti is made of pure cotton

and

> > > put

> > > > in

> > > > > > ghee, both items of shudh venus. when we light it, venus

is

> > > burnt

> > > > > by

> > > > > > the heat of sun. sun is natural enemy of venus.

> > > > > > if the tewa has such a combination that sun is harming

> > venus,

> > > > this

> > > > > > act further acts as a catalyst.

> > > > > > miglani ji has already explained it and the bamboo part.

> > > > > > thanx and regards

> > > > > > kulbir.

> > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am too small to comment but need some guidence

> > submitting

> > > in

> > > > > > BOLD,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i) the prohibition of burning bamboo is neither from

> > Vedic

> > > > nor

> > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > Kitab. This is a folk tradition. The tradition comes

> > from

> > > the

> > > > > > arthi

> > > > > > > > of a dead man. Since the arthi is made of bamboo and

is

> > > burnt

> > > > > > > along > with the dead body. Therefore burning bamboo

in

> > any

> > > > form

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not considered auspicious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, ONLY KNOWING THAT SOME GROUP

(BANS)

> > > AVOID

> > > > > IT.

> > > > > > > SECONDLY TOO MANY OTHER THINGS ARE RELATED TO THIS

DONOT

> > > THINK

> > > > > ALL

> > > > > > > ARE BANNED/AVOIDED BY PEOPLES.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Coming to the Lal Kitab, burning bamboo would mean

> > > destroying

> > > > > > > > Mercury. It wouldn't be wise to destroy buddhi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THOUGH BUDDHI IS RELATED TO BUDH (MERCURY)ONLY BUT

> > > DESTROYING

> > > > IS

> > > > > > > RELATED TO RAHU, THAT'S WHY MAKING/KEEPING HEAVY SMOKE

IN

> > > HOUSE

> > > > > IS

> > > > > > > PROHIBITED.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab follows century old collective folk

wisdom,

> > > known

> > > > as

> > > > > > > folk tradition. Even though it may not be mentioned in

> the

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > as such, but we have our own intelligence to figure it

> out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GOOD JOB BEING DONE

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ii) cow dung and urine is very commonly used in most

of

> > > the

> > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > homes. Upale of dung are also used for cooking. But

> > using

> > > > dung

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > burning before a deity in any form and creating

smoke [

> > > > rahu ]

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > not be advisable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > COW DUNG IS ALWAYS TAKEN AS AN AUSPICIOUS THING. EVEN

IN

> > > > MATHURA

> > > > > > > TEMPLES PANCHAMRAT CONSIST ALL. BURNING OF DHOOP/UPLAS

> ARE

> > > > > > > CONSIDERED CREATION OF SMOKE (RAHU)BUT JOT I DOUBT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > iii) desi ghee is an ashiya of Venus. With Venus and

> Sun

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 2nd , the house of Venus, it will not be advisable

to

> > > destroy

> > > > > > > Venus by burning it because it will weaken the Venus

even

> > > > > further.

> > > > > > > Remember Venus is already withered in the company of

the

> > Sun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OKAY, BURNING OF DESI GHEE IS PROHIBITED FOR SUN VEN

IN

> > > SECOND.

> > > > > > WHAT

> > > > > > > ABOUT EATING, I FOUND PEOPLE WITH SUN/SHUKRA

COMBINATION

> > > FOUND

> > > > > OF

> > > > > > > EATING PARANTHA, DESI GHEE'S SWEET, JALEBI'S. I FEEL

ALL

> > > THIS

> > > > > > > INVOLVE BOILING/BURNING OF GHEE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > > > > S LEEKHA

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas "

<sleekhas@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think we are diverting our selves from LK

learning

> > to

> > > > some

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > burning of bamboo(baans) is prohibited in

vedic/hindu

> > > > theory?

> > > > > > > > > do u have any proof that LK restrict it. if yes

> please

> > > > share

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ii) using of dung in aggarbatti, may be but in lal

> > kitab

> > > we

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > cow

> > > > > > > > > urine for dropping on floor, Gohey for burning of

> > saunf

> > > > > > > etc,feeding

> > > > > > > > > of cow is also recommended on several places.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > iii) burning of jot of desi ghee when suraj te

shuker

> > > > > doosrey,

> > > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > debate on it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let us have healthly discussions, I am not an

expert

> > > like u

> > > > > > all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > s leekha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains "

> > > > > <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dera sleekhas ji, i would like to draw ur

attention

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > aggarbatis usually contain bamboo stick parts

and

> > > burning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > bamboo

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > prohibited. secondly in the manufature of

> > agarbattis,

> > > > very

> > > > > > old

> > > > > > > > > > decomposed manure/dung is used to keep it

burning

> > > > > > continuously.

> > > > > > > > > > secondly burning of jot of desi ghee is

prohibited

> > for

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > shukra and sun in second house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>