Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Dear shamender, Your logic has an inherent shortcoming or defect because application the same logic to milk and it's products makes paneer, curd and butter all come to be covered by moon. because the origin of all these is milk. but paneer comes under saturn and the other two under venus. therefore we cannot say that fire is covered by saturn because the end product is ash or black colour. i couln't find mention in ramayana or ramchritmanas where Hanuman ji requested Shani to burn lanka. from which version are u quoting this from.? kulbir. lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: > > dear miglani saheb, > > i think you are right, but we should also go for the concept of > mushtarka greh also. there is difference of karta and karak, karta > may be mangal but karak is shani. if we see mandir meing jalti hui > aag is brihspat and jangal ki aag is shani, because mandir ki aag > rakh (budh) paida kereyey gi and jungle in aag (kalikh) shani paida > karegi. and lesser burnt (mangal + shani)(aag +lakdi) will create > coal (rahu)(mangal shani mushtarka=rahu) > > there is very interesting dant katha is behind it, when hanuman ji > lanka mein aag lega rahey they tub soney ki lanka jalney per aur > chamkney lagi thi. > > wahin per shani ji kaid they in rawans custody. he was confine in > cell because he has kept his feet in 11th house while sitting in 9th > house at the time of rawana's son birth. this the effect of 25% > dirshti we consider in horoscope. hanuman ji made shani free and > requested him that is lanka ko rakh ker deejiyey. shani said i can > not convert this into raakh yeh i can make it black, that why it is > said soney ki lanka jal ker khaakh ho gai(kali) in lanka still you > can find rocks in black colour but you cannot find rakh on that land. > > regards, > leekha > > > > > > lalkitab , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Leekha ji, > > > > Saturn is not the karak of fire. Could you read this article of > Pt. > > Bhooshan Priya ji written about " Agni " and " Aag " > > > > sincerely, > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > ‘Agni’ in Vedic astrology is signified by mangal. I prefer > using the > > word ‘agni as against ‘aag’ in this context. “Agni†has > a lot of > > connotations in the Indian ethos and psyche. There are so many > > manifestations of ‘agni’ that it is difficult to enumerate all > of > > them here. However briefly ‘agni’ could be both visible and > non- > > visible. ‘Agni’ again could be both , ‘pavitra / > kalyankari’ and ‘ > > vinashkari’. The ‘agni’ of the havankund or agyari , or the > ‘sakshi > > agni’of the marriage , are all pavitra and kalyankari. We all > know > > the destructive ‘agni’ that burns and destroys. There is the > third > > one also, a non-visible ‘agni’ like the ‘jatharagni’ the > ‘agni’ that > > digests the food or known in common parlance as ‘ pet ki agni : > pet > > ki agni bujhane ke liye roti chahiye’. Whenever there is an > > imbalance in the ‘jatharagni’ it results in digestion problems > and > > other stomach related ailments.All these forms of ‘agni’ are > > signified by mangal , both subh and ashub or shant and prachand . > > > > In the Lal Kitab the ‘agni’ which is being talked about is the > one > > that destroys and burns , that which - jalaati hai , bhasma karati > > hai etc . Therefore in the context of the Lal Kitab , I prefer > using > > the word ‘aag’ and not ‘agni’ . > > Lal Kitab also refers to ‘jatharagni’ , not by this name of > > course, when mentioning ‘ prabhav beemariyan’ that mangal- > nek > > signifies ‘pet ki beemariyan, haiza, pitta , aamaashaya ki > > beemariyan’ And for mangal †" ashubh diseases like : bhagandar , > fora > > nasoor etc {Arun Sanhita p 427} . > > > > Could this statement be taken as signifying ‘ a form of sheetal > > agni’ I leave it to the readers. “ nek mangal ho kiran sone > ki†{ UE > > 762 ; AS 265 } > > > > > > Fire in Lal Kitab is represented by Mangal †" ashubh , which is > in > > keeping with the Vedic astrology tradition.. The word ‘aag’ > along > > with other associated words like ‘jalaana’ , ‘jalta’ , > ‘bhasma karna’ > > appear in the text. I am quoting Page numbers from the original > Urdu > > edition given as UE --- ; and from Arun Sanhita , for every one to > > verify as AS--- > > > > I have deliberately confined myself to the 1952 Urdu edition of > the > > Lal Kitab because that is the only urdu edition I have. And also > that > > I am not charged with quoting from the Dalda books {not my word}. > > > > [ 1 ] Mangal khana # 1 { UE 488 } > > > > “ khud ki kismet jalti hogi aur jism mein khoon ki jagah pani > hoga†> > AS164 > > > > [ 2] mangal khana # 4 { UE 494 †" 502 } > > > > { a }“ jalati aag , badi ka sardar , jalane par aye to sard maya > ke > > samudra bhi jalaa de’ > > > > AS166 ; > > > > { b } mangal badi mangalik ho , jalate aag samudra mandir ho†AS > 166 > > > > { c } “ gulzar bhara jo kabila apana , 28 bhasma jo karata > ho†AS 166 > > > > { d } “ akla 12 budh teve bhari , pet jala khud dukhiya ho†AS > 166 > > > > { e } “murde sukha kar chulha jalana , raakh mangal bad karta > ho†> > AS166 > > > > { f } “ moti bhare samudra na lekh ghar ka jalata….†AS 167 > > > > { g } “ sukhai gayi lashon se bhatti jalana mangal bad ka kam > hai†> > AS167 > > > > { h } “ har tarah se manda , har samay jalti aag†AS 167 > > > > { i } “ samudra ko aag se jala denewala ya aisi aag jo pani se > > bujhane ke bajay > > > > sare samudra ko tah tak jala de†AS 167 > > > > { j } “ aur mangal bad mangalik ki aag jor par hogi†AS 168 > > > > { k }†dukhon se mara hua bewqoof tang , andar ke jalte hue > khoon se > > tarapta > > > > phireâ€AS169 > > > > [ 3 ] Mangal khana # 6 { UE 506 } > > > > “himmat se bhara hua pataal aur pani mein bhi aag jala dene ki > > shakti†AS171 > > > > [ 4 ] Mangal khana # 8 { UE 512 †" 515 } > > > > { a } “ vachan bewa deti jo neki ka tujhako, bhujhe aag khud hi > jala > > deti jo ghar > > > > ko†AS173 > > > > { b } “ tandoor mitti ho jab ghar jalata , bachata baki na koi > ho†AS > > 173 > > > > { c } “ aayu daulat khud apani lambi , jalata jalaata auron ko > ho†> > AS173 > > > > { d } “ chahe aayu ka swami Chandra kaisa hi baitha ho jalata > jalaata > > dusaron > > > > ko hoga†AS173 > > > > [ 5 ] mangal khana # 10 { UE 518 †" 520 } > > > > { a } “ bike ghar se sona to ho dhudh jalata†AS175 > > > > { b }†Chandra ravi guru 6 , 3 baithe , jalata jangal jar > ghatata ho†> > AS 175 > > > > { c } “ guru nashta ,surya barbaad, manda sona ,mandi hawa jo > jalatee > > phire†AS176 > > > > [ 6 ] mangal + guru { UE 762 †" 765 } > > > > { a } “ aag mangal bad jalata parayee, ketu raddi budh manda > ho†AS > > 265 > > > > { b } “ ghar 4 , 6 khali hove , khoon beemari jalata ho†AS266 > > > > [ 7 ] mangal + shukra { UE 851 †" 855} > > > > { a } “mangalik mangal saath jo milata , aag mitti sab jalata > ho†AS > > 299 > > > > { b } in khana 2 “ sab kuchh unka aag mein jalata , papi mangal > bad > > milata ho†AS299 > > > > [ 8 ] Mangal + Budh { UE 872 †" 877 } > > > > { a } in house # 4 “budh akele beshaq uttam , rakh zamana milata > do†> > AS307 > > > > { b } in khana # 11 “ makan tabele daulat jalati, har hani sab > deta > > ho†AS308 > > > > Well , all these excerpts are sufficient enough to make me believe > > that mangal-ashubh signifies ‘aag’ in the Lal Kitab. > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > dear kulbir ji, > > > > > > one thing is to be cleared, burning have two things one is heat > and > > > second is fire. heat is related to sun and fire is related to > shani. > > > > > > heating(sun) not friendly with ghee(shukra) can be > understandable. > > > but burning (jyot)(shani) of shee(shukra) are friendly should > not > > be > > > taken as inauspicious. > > > > > > Let us also have learned gurus view on it. > > > > > > regards, > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected S leekhas ji, > > > > I mentioned the use of dung that is really decomposed. such > > > > decomposed dung is used for manure in fields not in homes. > fresh > > > > dung is used for pasting the kacha floors ( an item of venus) > it > > > is > > > > believed that the digestive system of cow destroys or absorbs > the > > > > malefic tendency of barley etc and therefore cow dung is > treated > > > as > > > > auspicious. > > > > the cow-dung cakes used for cooking are round in shape and > dries > > > but > > > > not decomposed.and the decomposed ones are not used but > discarded. > > > > the dung used in agarbatis is decomposed very much. its colour > > > turns > > > > to black from brown. brown ones are used for burning and > pasting. > > > > in the case of jyot, the batti is made of pure cotton and > put > > in > > > > ghee, both items of shudh venus. when we light it, venus is > burnt > > > by > > > > the heat of sun. sun is natural enemy of venus. > > > > if the tewa has such a combination that sun is harming venus, > > this > > > > act further acts as a catalyst. > > > > miglani ji has already explained it and the bamboo part. > > > > thanx and regards > > > > kulbir. > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am too small to comment but need some guidence submitting > in > > > > BOLD, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the prohibition of burning bamboo is neither from Vedic > > nor > > > > Lal > > > > > > Kitab. This is a folk tradition. The tradition comes from > the > > > > arthi > > > > > > of a dead man. Since the arthi is made of bamboo and is > burnt > > > > > along > with the dead body. Therefore burning bamboo in any > > form > > > > is > > > > > not considered auspicious. > > > > > > > > > > WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, ONLY KNOWING THAT SOME GROUP (BANS) > AVOID > > > IT. > > > > > SECONDLY TOO MANY OTHER THINGS ARE RELATED TO THIS DONOT > THINK > > > ALL > > > > > ARE BANNED/AVOIDED BY PEOPLES. > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to the Lal Kitab, burning bamboo would mean > destroying > > > > > > Mercury. It wouldn't be wise to destroy buddhi. > > > > > > > > > > THOUGH BUDDHI IS RELATED TO BUDH (MERCURY)ONLY BUT > DESTROYING > > IS > > > > > RELATED TO RAHU, THAT'S WHY MAKING/KEEPING HEAVY SMOKE IN > HOUSE > > > IS > > > > > PROHIBITED. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab follows century old collective folk wisdom, > known > > as > > > > > folk tradition. Even though it may not be mentioned in the > Lal > > > > Kitab > > > > > as such, but we have our own intelligence to figure it out. > > > > > > > > > > GOOD JOB BEING DONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) cow dung and urine is very commonly used in most of > the > > > > Indian > > > > > > homes. Upale of dung are also used for cooking. But using > > dung > > > > for > > > > > > burning before a deity in any form and creating smoke [ > > rahu ] > > > > may > > > > > > not be advisable. > > > > > > > > > > COW DUNG IS ALWAYS TAKEN AS AN AUSPICIOUS THING. EVEN IN > > MATHURA > > > > > TEMPLES PANCHAMRAT CONSIST ALL. BURNING OF DHOOP/UPLAS ARE > > > > > CONSIDERED CREATION OF SMOKE (RAHU)BUT JOT I DOUBT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) desi ghee is an ashiya of Venus. With Venus and Sun > > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > 2nd , the house of Venus, it will not be advisable to > destroy > > > > > Venus by burning it because it will weaken the Venus even > > > further. > > > > > Remember Venus is already withered in the company of the Sun. > > > > > > > > > > OKAY, BURNING OF DESI GHEE IS PROHIBITED FOR SUN VEN IN > SECOND. > > > > WHAT > > > > > ABOUT EATING, I FOUND PEOPLE WITH SUN/SHUKRA COMBINATION > FOUND > > > OF > > > > > EATING PARANTHA, DESI GHEE'S SWEET, JALEBI'S. I FEEL ALL > THIS > > > > > INVOLVE BOILING/BURNING OF GHEE. > > > > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > S LEEKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we are diverting our selves from LK learning to > > some > > > > > other > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burning of bamboo(baans) is prohibited in vedic/hindu > > theory? > > > > > > > do u have any proof that LK restrict it. if yes please > > share > > > > it > > > > > > with > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) using of dung in aggarbatti, may be but in lal kitab > we > > > > use > > > > > cow > > > > > > > urine for dropping on floor, Gohey for burning of saunf > > > > > etc,feeding > > > > > > > of cow is also recommended on several places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) burning of jot of desi ghee when suraj te shuker > > > doosrey, > > > > > let > > > > > > us > > > > > > > debate on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us have healthly discussions, I am not an expert > like u > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dera sleekhas ji, i would like to draw ur attention to > > the > > > > > fact > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > aggarbatis usually contain bamboo stick parts and > burning > > > of > > > > > > bamboo > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > prohibited. secondly in the manufature of agarbattis, > > very > > > > old > > > > > > > > decomposed manure/dung is used to keep it burning > > > > continuously. > > > > > > > > secondly burning of jot of desi ghee is prohibited for > > > > people > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > shukra and sun in second house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 dear kulbir bhai, if you happen to read my message deeply, i have written clearly it is " dant katha " narrated by old peoples to their kids or followers. it is not there in any book. same type of theory is also applying to bhagwat gita, the shaloka told by shri krishna at the time of mahabharat yudh (which was written as gita) are in the air(universe) and i think that NASA is trying to find out those sounds in air because it is still their in air. We were also aware of pul made by shri ram at the time of going to lanka and now the pictures of same are available at net. let hope for some good things coming out in near future. regards, sleekhas lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear shamender, Your logic has an inherent shortcoming or defect > because application the same logic to milk and it's products makes > paneer, curd and butter all come to be covered by moon. because the > origin of all these is milk. but paneer comes under saturn and the > other two under venus. therefore we cannot say that fire is covered > by saturn because the end product is ash or black colour. > i couln't find mention in ramayana or ramchritmanas where Hanuman > ji requested Shani to burn lanka. from which version are u quoting > this from.? > kulbir. > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > dear miglani saheb, > > > > i think you are right, but we should also go for the concept of > > mushtarka greh also. there is difference of karta and karak, karta > > may be mangal but karak is shani. if we see mandir meing jalti hui > > aag is brihspat and jangal ki aag is shani, because mandir ki aag > > rakh (budh) paida kereyey gi and jungle in aag (kalikh) shani > paida > > karegi. and lesser burnt (mangal + shani)(aag +lakdi) will create > > coal (rahu)(mangal shani mushtarka=rahu) > > > > there is very interesting dant katha is behind it, when hanuman ji > > lanka mein aag lega rahey they tub soney ki lanka jalney per aur > > chamkney lagi thi. > > > > wahin per shani ji kaid they in rawans custody. he was confine in > > cell because he has kept his feet in 11th house while sitting in > 9th > > house at the time of rawana's son birth. this the effect of 25% > > dirshti we consider in horoscope. hanuman ji made shani free and > > requested him that is lanka ko rakh ker deejiyey. shani said i can > > not convert this into raakh yeh i can make it black, that why it > is > > said soney ki lanka jal ker khaakh ho gai(kali) in lanka still you > > can find rocks in black colour but you cannot find rakh on that > land. > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Leekha ji, > > > > > > Saturn is not the karak of fire. Could you read this article of > > Pt. > > > Bhooshan Priya ji written about " Agni " and " Aag " > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > ‘Agni’ in Vedic astrology is signified by mangal. I prefer > > using the > > > word ‘agni as against ‘aag’ in this context. “Agni†> has > > a lot of > > > connotations in the Indian ethos and psyche. There are so many > > > manifestations of ‘agni’ that it is difficult to enumerate > all > > of > > > them here. However briefly ‘agni’ could be both visible and > > non- > > > visible. ‘Agni’ again could be both , ‘pavitra / > > kalyankari’ and ‘ > > > vinashkari’. The ‘agni’ of the havankund or agyari , or > the > > ‘sakshi > > > agni’of the marriage , are all pavitra and kalyankari. We all > > know > > > the destructive ‘agni’ that burns and destroys. There is the > > third > > > one also, a non-visible ‘agni’ like the ‘jatharagni’ the > > ‘agni’ that > > > digests the food or known in common parlance as ‘ pet ki > agni : > > pet > > > ki agni bujhane ke liye roti chahiye’. Whenever there is an > > > imbalance in the ‘jatharagni’ it results in digestion > problems > > and > > > other stomach related ailments.All these forms of ‘agni’ are > > > signified by mangal , both subh and ashub or shant and > prachand . > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab the ‘agni’ which is being talked about is > the > > one > > > that destroys and burns , that which - jalaati hai , bhasma > karati > > > hai etc . Therefore in the context of the Lal Kitab , I prefer > > using > > > the word ‘aag’ and not ‘agni’ . > > > Lal Kitab also refers to ‘jatharagni’ , not by this name of > > > course, when mentioning ‘ prabhav beemariyan’ that mangal- > > nek > > > signifies ‘pet ki beemariyan, haiza, pitta , aamaashaya ki > > > beemariyan’ And for mangal †" ashubh diseases like : > bhagandar , > > fora > > > nasoor etc {Arun Sanhita p 427} . > > > > > > Could this statement be taken as signifying ‘ a form of > sheetal > > > agni’ I leave it to the readers. “ nek mangal ho kiran sone > > ki†{ UE > > > 762 ; AS 265 } > > > > > > > > > Fire in Lal Kitab is represented by Mangal †" ashubh , which > is > > in > > > keeping with the Vedic astrology tradition.. The word ‘aag’ > > along > > > with other associated words like ‘jalaana’ , ‘jalta’ , > > ‘bhasma karna’ > > > appear in the text. I am quoting Page numbers from the original > > Urdu > > > edition given as UE --- ; and from Arun Sanhita , for every one > to > > > verify as AS--- > > > > > > I have deliberately confined myself to the 1952 Urdu edition of > > the > > > Lal Kitab because that is the only urdu edition I have. And also > > that > > > I am not charged with quoting from the Dalda books {not my word}. > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mangal khana # 1 { UE 488 } > > > > > > “ khud ki kismet jalti hogi aur jism mein khoon ki jagah pani > > hoga†> > > AS164 > > > > > > [ 2] mangal khana # 4 { UE 494 †" 502 } > > > > > > { a }“ jalati aag , badi ka sardar , jalane par aye to sard > maya > > ke > > > samudra bhi jalaa de’ > > > > > > AS166 ; > > > > > > { b } mangal badi mangalik ho , jalate aag samudra mandir ho†> AS > > 166 > > > > > > { c } “ gulzar bhara jo kabila apana , 28 bhasma jo karata > > ho†AS 166 > > > > > > { d } “ akla 12 budh teve bhari , pet jala khud dukhiya ho†> AS > > 166 > > > > > > { e } “murde sukha kar chulha jalana , raakh mangal bad karta > > ho†> > > AS166 > > > > > > { f } “ moti bhare samudra na lekh ghar ka jalata….†AS 167 > > > > > > { g } “ sukhai gayi lashon se bhatti jalana mangal bad ka kam > > hai†> > > AS167 > > > > > > { h } “ har tarah se manda , har samay jalti aag†AS 167 > > > > > > { i } “ samudra ko aag se jala denewala ya aisi aag jo pani se > > > bujhane ke bajay > > > > > > sare samudra ko tah tak jala de†AS 167 > > > > > > { j } “ aur mangal bad mangalik ki aag jor par hogi†AS 168 > > > > > > { k }†dukhon se mara hua bewqoof tang , andar ke jalte hue > > khoon se > > > tarapta > > > > > > phireâ€AS169 > > > > > > [ 3 ] Mangal khana # 6 { UE 506 } > > > > > > “himmat se bhara hua pataal aur pani mein bhi aag jala dene ki > > > shakti†AS171 > > > > > > [ 4 ] Mangal khana # 8 { UE 512 †" 515 } > > > > > > { a } “ vachan bewa deti jo neki ka tujhako, bhujhe aag khud > hi > > jala > > > deti jo ghar > > > > > > ko†AS173 > > > > > > { b } “ tandoor mitti ho jab ghar jalata , bachata baki na koi > > ho†AS > > > 173 > > > > > > { c } “ aayu daulat khud apani lambi , jalata jalaata auron ko > > ho†> > > AS173 > > > > > > { d } “ chahe aayu ka swami Chandra kaisa hi baitha ho jalata > > jalaata > > > dusaron > > > > > > ko hoga†AS173 > > > > > > [ 5 ] mangal khana # 10 { UE 518 †" 520 } > > > > > > { a } “ bike ghar se sona to ho dhudh jalata†AS175 > > > > > > { b }†Chandra ravi guru 6 , 3 baithe , jalata jangal jar > > ghatata ho†> > > AS 175 > > > > > > { c } “ guru nashta ,surya barbaad, manda sona ,mandi hawa jo > > jalatee > > > phire†AS176 > > > > > > [ 6 ] mangal + guru { UE 762 †" 765 } > > > > > > { a } “ aag mangal bad jalata parayee, ketu raddi budh manda > > ho†AS > > > 265 > > > > > > { b } “ ghar 4 , 6 khali hove , khoon beemari jalata ho†> AS266 > > > > > > [ 7 ] mangal + shukra { UE 851 †" 855} > > > > > > { a } “mangalik mangal saath jo milata , aag mitti sab jalata > > ho†AS > > > 299 > > > > > > { b } in khana 2 “ sab kuchh unka aag mein jalata , papi > mangal > > bad > > > milata ho†AS299 > > > > > > [ 8 ] Mangal + Budh { UE 872 †" 877 } > > > > > > { a } in house # 4 “budh akele beshaq uttam , rakh zamana > milata > > do†> > > AS307 > > > > > > { b } in khana # 11 “ makan tabele daulat jalati, har hani sab > > deta > > > ho†AS308 > > > > > > Well , all these excerpts are sufficient enough to make me > believe > > > that mangal-ashubh signifies ‘aag’ in the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > one thing is to be cleared, burning have two things one is > heat > > and > > > > second is fire. heat is related to sun and fire is related to > > shani. > > > > > > > > heating(sun) not friendly with ghee(shukra) can be > > understandable. > > > > but burning (jyot)(shani) of shee(shukra) are friendly should > > not > > > be > > > > taken as inauspicious. > > > > > > > > Let us also have learned gurus view on it. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected S leekhas ji, > > > > > I mentioned the use of dung that is really decomposed. such > > > > > decomposed dung is used for manure in fields not in homes. > > fresh > > > > > dung is used for pasting the kacha floors ( an item of > venus) > > it > > > > is > > > > > believed that the digestive system of cow destroys or > absorbs > > the > > > > > malefic tendency of barley etc and therefore cow dung is > > treated > > > > as > > > > > auspicious. > > > > > the cow-dung cakes used for cooking are round in shape and > > dries > > > > but > > > > > not decomposed.and the decomposed ones are not used but > > discarded. > > > > > the dung used in agarbatis is decomposed very much. its > colour > > > > turns > > > > > to black from brown. brown ones are used for burning and > > pasting. > > > > > in the case of jyot, the batti is made of pure cotton and > > put > > > in > > > > > ghee, both items of shudh venus. when we light it, venus is > > burnt > > > > by > > > > > the heat of sun. sun is natural enemy of venus. > > > > > if the tewa has such a combination that sun is harming > venus, > > > this > > > > > act further acts as a catalyst. > > > > > miglani ji has already explained it and the bamboo part. > > > > > thanx and regards > > > > > kulbir. > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am too small to comment but need some guidence > submitting > > in > > > > > BOLD, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the prohibition of burning bamboo is neither from > Vedic > > > nor > > > > > Lal > > > > > > > Kitab. This is a folk tradition. The tradition comes > from > > the > > > > > arthi > > > > > > > of a dead man. Since the arthi is made of bamboo and is > > burnt > > > > > > along > with the dead body. Therefore burning bamboo in > any > > > form > > > > > is > > > > > > not considered auspicious. > > > > > > > > > > > > WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, ONLY KNOWING THAT SOME GROUP (BANS) > > AVOID > > > > IT. > > > > > > SECONDLY TOO MANY OTHER THINGS ARE RELATED TO THIS DONOT > > THINK > > > > ALL > > > > > > ARE BANNED/AVOIDED BY PEOPLES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to the Lal Kitab, burning bamboo would mean > > destroying > > > > > > > Mercury. It wouldn't be wise to destroy buddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > THOUGH BUDDHI IS RELATED TO BUDH (MERCURY)ONLY BUT > > DESTROYING > > > IS > > > > > > RELATED TO RAHU, THAT'S WHY MAKING/KEEPING HEAVY SMOKE IN > > HOUSE > > > > IS > > > > > > PROHIBITED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab follows century old collective folk wisdom, > > known > > > as > > > > > > folk tradition. Even though it may not be mentioned in the > > Lal > > > > > Kitab > > > > > > as such, but we have our own intelligence to figure it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > GOOD JOB BEING DONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) cow dung and urine is very commonly used in most of > > the > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > homes. Upale of dung are also used for cooking. But > using > > > dung > > > > > for > > > > > > > burning before a deity in any form and creating smoke [ > > > rahu ] > > > > > may > > > > > > > not be advisable. > > > > > > > > > > > > COW DUNG IS ALWAYS TAKEN AS AN AUSPICIOUS THING. EVEN IN > > > MATHURA > > > > > > TEMPLES PANCHAMRAT CONSIST ALL. BURNING OF DHOOP/UPLAS ARE > > > > > > CONSIDERED CREATION OF SMOKE (RAHU)BUT JOT I DOUBT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) desi ghee is an ashiya of Venus. With Venus and Sun > > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2nd , the house of Venus, it will not be advisable to > > destroy > > > > > > Venus by burning it because it will weaken the Venus even > > > > further. > > > > > > Remember Venus is already withered in the company of the > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > OKAY, BURNING OF DESI GHEE IS PROHIBITED FOR SUN VEN IN > > SECOND. > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > ABOUT EATING, I FOUND PEOPLE WITH SUN/SHUKRA COMBINATION > > FOUND > > > > OF > > > > > > EATING PARANTHA, DESI GHEE'S SWEET, JALEBI'S. I FEEL ALL > > THIS > > > > > > INVOLVE BOILING/BURNING OF GHEE. > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > > S LEEKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we are diverting our selves from LK learning > to > > > some > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burning of bamboo(baans) is prohibited in vedic/hindu > > > theory? > > > > > > > > do u have any proof that LK restrict it. if yes please > > > share > > > > > it > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) using of dung in aggarbatti, may be but in lal > kitab > > we > > > > > use > > > > > > cow > > > > > > > > urine for dropping on floor, Gohey for burning of > saunf > > > > > > etc,feeding > > > > > > > > of cow is also recommended on several places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) burning of jot of desi ghee when suraj te shuker > > > > doosrey, > > > > > > let > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > debate on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us have healthly discussions, I am not an expert > > like u > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dera sleekhas ji, i would like to draw ur attention > to > > > the > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > aggarbatis usually contain bamboo stick parts and > > burning > > > > of > > > > > > > bamboo > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > prohibited. secondly in the manufature of > agarbattis, > > > very > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > decomposed manure/dung is used to keep it burning > > > > > continuously. > > > > > > > > > secondly burning of jot of desi ghee is prohibited > for > > > > > people > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > shukra and sun in second house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Bhai jaan, yes ur correct, our learned ancestors adopted this story method to explain logics which r otherwise difficult to understand. Relate Shri Ram to Sun, Hanuman and Laxman to Mars nek, Sita to Venus, saturn to Ravana, Mehgnaad ( megh + naad = clouds and thunder ) to rahu, Kumbhkaran ( pitcher + ears) to budh+ketu, Vibhishan to Mars badh, maharsishi Valmiki, Vishvanitra, vashisht, maharaj to jupiter, Luv and kush to ketu etc. matas to chandra. Now corelate it with concepts of lalkitab. it will greatly help in understanding the concepts and upayas. kulbirbains lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: > > dear kulbir bhai, > > if you happen to read my message deeply, i have written clearly it > is " dant katha " narrated by old peoples to their kids or followers. > it is not there in any book. > > same type of theory is also applying to bhagwat gita, the shaloka > told by shri krishna at the time of mahabharat yudh (which was > written as gita) are in the air(universe) and i think that NASA is > trying to find out those sounds in air because it is still their in > air. > > We were also aware of pul made by shri ram at the time of going to > lanka and now the pictures of same are available at net. > > let hope for some good things coming out in near future. > > regards, > sleekhas > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > Dear shamender, Your logic has an inherent shortcoming or defect > > because application the same logic to milk and it's products makes > > paneer, curd and butter all come to be covered by moon. because > the > > origin of all these is milk. but paneer comes under saturn and the > > other two under venus. therefore we cannot say that fire is > covered > > by saturn because the end product is ash or black colour. > > i couln't find mention in ramayana or ramchritmanas where Hanuman > > ji requested Shani to burn lanka. from which version are u quoting > > this from.? > > kulbir. > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > dear miglani saheb, > > > > > > i think you are right, but we should also go for the concept of > > > mushtarka greh also. there is difference of karta and karak, > karta > > > may be mangal but karak is shani. if we see mandir meing jalti > hui > > > aag is brihspat and jangal ki aag is shani, because mandir ki > aag > > > rakh (budh) paida kereyey gi and jungle in aag (kalikh) shani > > paida > > > karegi. and lesser burnt (mangal + shani)(aag +lakdi) will > create > > > coal (rahu)(mangal shani mushtarka=rahu) > > > > > > there is very interesting dant katha is behind it, when hanuman > ji > > > lanka mein aag lega rahey they tub soney ki lanka jalney per aur > > > chamkney lagi thi. > > > > > > wahin per shani ji kaid they in rawans custody. he was confine > in > > > cell because he has kept his feet in 11th house while sitting in > > 9th > > > house at the time of rawana's son birth. this the effect of 25% > > > dirshti we consider in horoscope. hanuman ji made shani free and > > > requested him that is lanka ko rakh ker deejiyey. shani said i > can > > > not convert this into raakh yeh i can make it black, that why it > > is > > > said soney ki lanka jal ker khaakh ho gai(kali) in lanka still > you > > > can find rocks in black colour but you cannot find rakh on that > > land. > > > > > > regards, > > > leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Leekha ji, > > > > > > > > Saturn is not the karak of fire. Could you read this article > of > > > Pt. > > > > Bhooshan Priya ji written about " Agni " and " Aag " > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘Agni’ in Vedic astrology is signified by mangal. I prefer > > > using the > > > > word ‘agni as against ‘aag’ in this context. “Agni†> > has > > > a lot of > > > > connotations in the Indian ethos and psyche. There are so many > > > > manifestations of ‘agni’ that it is difficult to enumerate > > all > > > of > > > > them here. However briefly ‘agni’ could be both visible > and > > > non- > > > > visible. ‘Agni’ again could be both , ‘pavitra / > > > kalyankari’ and ‘ > > > > vinashkari’. The ‘agni’ of the havankund or agyari , or > > the > > > ‘sakshi > > > > agni’of the marriage , are all pavitra and kalyankari. We > all > > > know > > > > the destructive ‘agni’ that burns and destroys. There is > the > > > third > > > > one also, a non-visible ‘agni’ like the ‘jatharagni’ > the > > > ‘agni’ that > > > > digests the food or known in common parlance as ‘ pet ki > > agni : > > > pet > > > > ki agni bujhane ke liye roti chahiye’. Whenever there is an > > > > imbalance in the ‘jatharagni’ it results in digestion > > problems > > > and > > > > other stomach related ailments.All these forms of ‘agni’ > are > > > > signified by mangal , both subh and ashub or shant and > > prachand . > > > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab the ‘agni’ which is being talked about is > > the > > > one > > > > that destroys and burns , that which - jalaati hai , bhasma > > karati > > > > hai etc . Therefore in the context of the Lal Kitab , I prefer > > > using > > > > the word ‘aag’ and not ‘agni’ . > > > > Lal Kitab also refers to ‘jatharagni’ , not by this name > of > > > > course, when mentioning ‘ prabhav beemariyan’ that > mangal- > > > nek > > > > signifies ‘pet ki beemariyan, haiza, pitta , aamaashaya ki > > > > beemariyan’ And for mangal †" ashubh diseases like : > > bhagandar , > > > fora > > > > nasoor etc {Arun Sanhita p 427} . > > > > > > > > Could this statement be taken as signifying ‘ a form of > > sheetal > > > > agni’ I leave it to the readers. “ nek mangal ho kiran > sone > > > ki†{ UE > > > > 762 ; AS 265 } > > > > > > > > > > > > Fire in Lal Kitab is represented by Mangal †" ashubh , > which > > is > > > in > > > > keeping with the Vedic astrology tradition.. The word > ‘aag’ > > > along > > > > with other associated words like ‘jalaana’ , ‘jalta’ , > > > ‘bhasma karna’ > > > > appear in the text. I am quoting Page numbers from the > original > > > Urdu > > > > edition given as UE --- ; and from Arun Sanhita , for every > one > > to > > > > verify as AS--- > > > > > > > > I have deliberately confined myself to the 1952 Urdu edition > of > > > the > > > > Lal Kitab because that is the only urdu edition I have. And > also > > > that > > > > I am not charged with quoting from the Dalda books {not my > word}. > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Mangal khana # 1 { UE 488 } > > > > > > > > “ khud ki kismet jalti hogi aur jism mein khoon ki jagah > pani > > > hoga†> > > > AS164 > > > > > > > > [ 2] mangal khana # 4 { UE 494 †" 502 } > > > > > > > > { a }“ jalati aag , badi ka sardar , jalane par aye to sard > > maya > > > ke > > > > samudra bhi jalaa de’ > > > > > > > > AS166 ; > > > > > > > > { b } mangal badi mangalik ho , jalate aag samudra mandir > ho†> > AS > > > 166 > > > > > > > > { c } “ gulzar bhara jo kabila apana , 28 bhasma jo karata > > > ho†AS 166 > > > > > > > > { d } “ akla 12 budh teve bhari , pet jala khud dukhiya > ho†> > AS > > > 166 > > > > > > > > { e } “murde sukha kar chulha jalana , raakh mangal bad > karta > > > ho†> > > > AS166 > > > > > > > > { f } “ moti bhare samudra na lekh ghar ka jalata….†AS > 167 > > > > > > > > { g } “ sukhai gayi lashon se bhatti jalana mangal bad ka > kam > > > hai†> > > > AS167 > > > > > > > > { h } “ har tarah se manda , har samay jalti aag†AS 167 > > > > > > > > { i } “ samudra ko aag se jala denewala ya aisi aag jo pani > se > > > > bujhane ke bajay > > > > > > > > sare samudra ko tah tak jala de†AS 167 > > > > > > > > { j } “ aur mangal bad mangalik ki aag jor par hogi†AS > 168 > > > > > > > > { k }†dukhon se mara hua bewqoof tang , andar ke jalte hue > > > khoon se > > > > tarapta > > > > > > > > phireâ€AS169 > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] Mangal khana # 6 { UE 506 } > > > > > > > > “himmat se bhara hua pataal aur pani mein bhi aag jala dene > ki > > > > shakti†AS171 > > > > > > > > [ 4 ] Mangal khana # 8 { UE 512 †" 515 } > > > > > > > > { a } “ vachan bewa deti jo neki ka tujhako, bhujhe aag khud > > hi > > > jala > > > > deti jo ghar > > > > > > > > ko†AS173 > > > > > > > > { b } “ tandoor mitti ho jab ghar jalata , bachata baki na > koi > > > ho†AS > > > > 173 > > > > > > > > { c } “ aayu daulat khud apani lambi , jalata jalaata auron > ko > > > ho†> > > > AS173 > > > > > > > > { d } “ chahe aayu ka swami Chandra kaisa hi baitha ho > jalata > > > jalaata > > > > dusaron > > > > > > > > ko hoga†AS173 > > > > > > > > [ 5 ] mangal khana # 10 { UE 518 †" 520 } > > > > > > > > { a } “ bike ghar se sona to ho dhudh jalata†AS175 > > > > > > > > { b }†Chandra ravi guru 6 , 3 baithe , jalata jangal jar > > > ghatata ho†> > > > AS 175 > > > > > > > > { c } “ guru nashta ,surya barbaad, manda sona ,mandi hawa > jo > > > jalatee > > > > phire†AS176 > > > > > > > > [ 6 ] mangal + guru { UE 762 †" 765 } > > > > > > > > { a } “ aag mangal bad jalata parayee, ketu raddi budh manda > > > ho†AS > > > > 265 > > > > > > > > { b } “ ghar 4 , 6 khali hove , khoon beemari jalata ho†> > AS266 > > > > > > > > [ 7 ] mangal + shukra { UE 851 †" 855} > > > > > > > > { a } “mangalik mangal saath jo milata , aag mitti sab > jalata > > > ho†AS > > > > 299 > > > > > > > > { b } in khana 2 “ sab kuchh unka aag mein jalata , papi > > mangal > > > bad > > > > milata ho†AS299 > > > > > > > > [ 8 ] Mangal + Budh { UE 872 †" 877 } > > > > > > > > { a } in house # 4 “budh akele beshaq uttam , rakh zamana > > milata > > > do†> > > > AS307 > > > > > > > > { b } in khana # 11 “ makan tabele daulat jalati, har hani > sab > > > deta > > > > ho†AS308 > > > > > > > > Well , all these excerpts are sufficient enough to make me > > believe > > > > that mangal-ashubh signifies ‘aag’ in the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > one thing is to be cleared, burning have two things one is > > heat > > > and > > > > > second is fire. heat is related to sun and fire is related > to > > > shani. > > > > > > > > > > heating(sun) not friendly with ghee(shukra) can be > > > understandable. > > > > > but burning (jyot)(shani) of shee(shukra) are friendly > should > > > not > > > > be > > > > > taken as inauspicious. > > > > > > > > > > Let us also have learned gurus view on it. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected S leekhas ji, > > > > > > I mentioned the use of dung that is really decomposed. > such > > > > > > decomposed dung is used for manure in fields not in homes. > > > fresh > > > > > > dung is used for pasting the kacha floors ( an item of > > venus) > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > believed that the digestive system of cow destroys or > > absorbs > > > the > > > > > > malefic tendency of barley etc and therefore cow dung is > > > treated > > > > > as > > > > > > auspicious. > > > > > > the cow-dung cakes used for cooking are round in shape and > > > dries > > > > > but > > > > > > not decomposed.and the decomposed ones are not used but > > > discarded. > > > > > > the dung used in agarbatis is decomposed very much. its > > colour > > > > > turns > > > > > > to black from brown. brown ones are used for burning and > > > pasting. > > > > > > in the case of jyot, the batti is made of pure cotton > and > > > put > > > > in > > > > > > ghee, both items of shudh venus. when we light it, venus > is > > > burnt > > > > > by > > > > > > the heat of sun. sun is natural enemy of venus. > > > > > > if the tewa has such a combination that sun is harming > > venus, > > > > this > > > > > > act further acts as a catalyst. > > > > > > miglani ji has already explained it and the bamboo part. > > > > > > thanx and regards > > > > > > kulbir. > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am too small to comment but need some guidence > > submitting > > > in > > > > > > BOLD, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i) the prohibition of burning bamboo is neither from > > Vedic > > > > nor > > > > > > Lal > > > > > > > > Kitab. This is a folk tradition. The tradition comes > > from > > > the > > > > > > arthi > > > > > > > > of a dead man. Since the arthi is made of bamboo and > is > > > burnt > > > > > > > along > with the dead body. Therefore burning bamboo in > > any > > > > form > > > > > > is > > > > > > > not considered auspicious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, ONLY KNOWING THAT SOME GROUP (BANS) > > > AVOID > > > > > IT. > > > > > > > SECONDLY TOO MANY OTHER THINGS ARE RELATED TO THIS DONOT > > > THINK > > > > > ALL > > > > > > > ARE BANNED/AVOIDED BY PEOPLES. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to the Lal Kitab, burning bamboo would mean > > > destroying > > > > > > > > Mercury. It wouldn't be wise to destroy buddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOUGH BUDDHI IS RELATED TO BUDH (MERCURY)ONLY BUT > > > DESTROYING > > > > IS > > > > > > > RELATED TO RAHU, THAT'S WHY MAKING/KEEPING HEAVY SMOKE > IN > > > HOUSE > > > > > IS > > > > > > > PROHIBITED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab follows century old collective folk wisdom, > > > known > > > > as > > > > > > > folk tradition. Even though it may not be mentioned in > the > > > Lal > > > > > > Kitab > > > > > > > as such, but we have our own intelligence to figure it > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GOOD JOB BEING DONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) cow dung and urine is very commonly used in most > of > > > the > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > homes. Upale of dung are also used for cooking. But > > using > > > > dung > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > burning before a deity in any form and creating smoke > [ > > > > rahu ] > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > not be advisable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COW DUNG IS ALWAYS TAKEN AS AN AUSPICIOUS THING. EVEN IN > > > > MATHURA > > > > > > > TEMPLES PANCHAMRAT CONSIST ALL. BURNING OF DHOOP/UPLAS > ARE > > > > > > > CONSIDERED CREATION OF SMOKE (RAHU)BUT JOT I DOUBT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) desi ghee is an ashiya of Venus. With Venus and > Sun > > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2nd , the house of Venus, it will not be advisable to > > > destroy > > > > > > > Venus by burning it because it will weaken the Venus > even > > > > > further. > > > > > > > Remember Venus is already withered in the company of the > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OKAY, BURNING OF DESI GHEE IS PROHIBITED FOR SUN VEN IN > > > SECOND. > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > ABOUT EATING, I FOUND PEOPLE WITH SUN/SHUKRA COMBINATION > > > FOUND > > > > > OF > > > > > > > EATING PARANTHA, DESI GHEE'S SWEET, JALEBI'S. I FEEL ALL > > > THIS > > > > > > > INVOLVE BOILING/BURNING OF GHEE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > > > S LEEKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " > <sleekhas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we are diverting our selves from LK learning > > to > > > > some > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > burning of bamboo(baans) is prohibited in > vedic/hindu > > > > theory? > > > > > > > > > do u have any proof that LK restrict it. if yes > please > > > > share > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ii) using of dung in aggarbatti, may be but in lal > > kitab > > > we > > > > > > use > > > > > > > cow > > > > > > > > > urine for dropping on floor, Gohey for burning of > > saunf > > > > > > > etc,feeding > > > > > > > > > of cow is also recommended on several places. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iii) burning of jot of desi ghee when suraj te > shuker > > > > > doosrey, > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > debate on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us have healthly discussions, I am not an expert > > > like u > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > s leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " kulbirbains " > > > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dera sleekhas ji, i would like to draw ur > attention > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > aggarbatis usually contain bamboo stick parts and > > > burning > > > > > of > > > > > > > > bamboo > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > prohibited. secondly in the manufature of > > agarbattis, > > > > very > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > decomposed manure/dung is used to keep it burning > > > > > > continuously. > > > > > > > > > > secondly burning of jot of desi ghee is prohibited > > for > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > shukra and sun in second house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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