Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Punit ji, In the Lal Kitab, Rahu and Ketu are always 7th to each other in a normal horoscope drawn through a Sarini or software. These two planets can be next to each other in a Varsh Phal kundali but NEVER in the same house. Rahu and Ketu could be in the same house only in a horoscope that has been drawn according to the signs on the palm. This is done only when the Jatak is not aware of his birth details. Sincerely, KP Miglani lalkitab , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > Dear Miglani ji, > > Just a small correction that this is NOT the stand taken by this forum. > Everybody is free to use whatever method s/he likes and finds working. I > personally prefer to discuss analytical part rather than mathematical part > to prove or disprove something. For example, we have discussing it in the > past that astronomically Rahu and Ketu can not be in the same house, but in > Lal Kitab it is true. That doesn't prove Lal Kitab incorrect. We need to > analyse and discuss multipe foreign charts and check its applicablitiy. > Based on that only we should conclude something. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On 11/10/07, krishna pal miglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > > > Dear Kalsi ji, > > > > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > > > > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same time as > > given irrespective of the place of birth. > > > > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in London, we > > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be Makar at one > > degree [ 1Cp0] > > > > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > > > > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > > > > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at 1 degree [ > > ayanansha correction not done] > > > > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how correct the > > Lagna from the Sarini is: > > > > Lagna through the software > > > > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51] > > > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > > > > > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the Lagna changes > > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > > > > This is an answer to your trick. Therefore we once again reiterate the > > stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : > > > > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or abroad except > > for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining places in that > > region. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Miglani ji, I have answered this in my other reply to your email. Your statement " This (Palm Charts) is done only when the Jatak is not aware of his birth details. " doesn't seem correct to me. Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji has analysed Palm horoscope side by side with the chart created by " Pundit " (birth chart). You can refer case studies section given at the end of various editions of Lal Kitab to validate it. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > Dear Punit ji, > > In the Lal Kitab, Rahu and Ketu are always 7th to each other in a > normal horoscope drawn through a Sarini or software. These two > planets can be next to each other in a Varsh Phal kundali but NEVER > in the same house. > > Rahu and Ketu could be in the same house only in a horoscope that has > been drawn according to the signs on the palm. This is done only when > the Jatak is not aware of his birth details. > > Sincerely, > > KP Miglani > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, " Punit > Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > Just a small correction that this is NOT the stand taken by this > forum. > > Everybody is free to use whatever method s/he likes and finds > working. I > > personally prefer to discuss analytical part rather than > mathematical part > > to prove or disprove something. For example, we have discussing it > in the > > past that astronomically Rahu and Ketu can not be in the same > house, but in > > Lal Kitab it is true. That doesn't prove Lal Kitab incorrect. We > need to > > analyse and discuss multipe foreign charts and check its > applicablitiy. > > Based on that only we should conclude something. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On 11/10/07, krishna pal miglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kalsi ji, > > > > > > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > > > > > > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same > time as > > > given irrespective of the place of birth. > > > > > > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in > London, we > > > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be Makar > at one > > > degree [ 1Cp0] > > > > > > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > > > > > > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > > > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > > > > > > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at 1 > degree [ > > > ayanansha correction not done] > > > > > > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how > correct the > > > Lagna from the Sarini is: > > > > > > Lagna through the software > > > > > > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51] > > > > > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > > > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > > > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > > > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > > > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > > > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > > > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > > > > > > > > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the Lagna > changes > > > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > > > > > > This is an answer to your trick. Therefore we once again > reiterate the > > > stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : > > > > > > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or abroad > except > > > for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining places > in that > > > region. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Punit ji, Sure yes, Pandit ji would have cast a horoscope with the help of the signs on the palm if he suspected the horoscope prepared by a local pandit to be inaccurate. Sincerely, KP Miglani lalkitab , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > Dear Miglani ji, > > I have answered this in my other reply to your email. > > Your statement " This (Palm Charts) is done only when the Jatak is not aware > of his birth details. " doesn't seem correct to me. Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji > has analysed Palm horoscope side by side with the chart created by " Pundit " > (birth chart). You can refer case studies section given at the end of > various editions of Lal Kitab to validate it. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On 11/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > In the Lal Kitab, Rahu and Ketu are always 7th to each other in a > > normal horoscope drawn through a Sarini or software. These two > > planets can be next to each other in a Varsh Phal kundali but NEVER > > in the same house. > > > > Rahu and Ketu could be in the same house only in a horoscope that has > > been drawn according to the signs on the palm. This is done only when > > the Jatak is not aware of his birth details. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > KP Miglani > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab% 40>, " Punit > > Pandey " <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > Just a small correction that this is NOT the stand taken by this > > forum. > > > Everybody is free to use whatever method s/he likes and finds > > working. I > > > personally prefer to discuss analytical part rather than > > mathematical part > > > to prove or disprove something. For example, we have discussing it > > in the > > > past that astronomically Rahu and Ketu can not be in the same > > house, but in > > > Lal Kitab it is true. That doesn't prove Lal Kitab incorrect. We > > need to > > > analyse and discuss multipe foreign charts and check its > > applicablitiy. > > > Based on that only we should conclude something. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > On 11/10/07, krishna pal miglani <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kalsi ji, > > > > > > > > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > > > > > > > > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same > > time as > > > > given irrespective of the place of birth. > > > > > > > > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in > > London, we > > > > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be Makar > > at one > > > > degree [ 1Cp0] > > > > > > > > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > > > > > > > > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > > > > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > > > > > > > > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at 1 > > degree [ > > > > ayanansha correction not done] > > > > > > > > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how > > correct the > > > > Lagna from the Sarini is: > > > > > > > > Lagna through the software > > > > > > > > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51] > > > > > > > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > > > > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > > > > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > > > > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > > > > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > > > > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > > > > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the Lagna > > changes > > > > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > > > > > > > > This is an answer to your trick. Therefore we once again > > reiterate the > > > > stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : > > > > > > > > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or abroad > > except > > > > for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining places > > in that > > > > region. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Miglani ji, I don't get this feeling. To me it looks like he preferred Palm charts. Anyways, can you refer/ quote in case he mentioned it somewhere that because he is suspecting the pundit ji's chart that's why he is using palm chart? Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > Dear Punit ji, > > Sure yes, Pandit ji would have cast a horoscope with the help of the > signs on the palm if he suspected the horoscope prepared by a local > pandit to be inaccurate. > > Sincerely, > > KP Miglani > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, " Punit > Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > I have answered this in my other reply to your email. > > > > Your statement " This (Palm Charts) is done only when the Jatak is > not aware > > of his birth details. " doesn't seem correct to me. Pt. Roop Chand > Joshi ji > > has analysed Palm horoscope side by side with the chart created > by " Pundit " > > (birth chart). You can refer case studies section given at the end > of > > various editions of Lal Kitab to validate it. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On 11/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab, Rahu and Ketu are always 7th to each other in a > > > normal horoscope drawn through a Sarini or software. These two > > > planets can be next to each other in a Varsh Phal kundali but > NEVER > > > in the same house. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu could be in the same house only in a horoscope that > has > > > been drawn according to the signs on the palm. This is done only > when > > > the Jatak is not aware of his birth details. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab% > 40>, " Punit > > > Pandey " <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > > > Just a small correction that this is NOT the stand taken by this > > > forum. > > > > Everybody is free to use whatever method s/he likes and finds > > > working. I > > > > personally prefer to discuss analytical part rather than > > > mathematical part > > > > to prove or disprove something. For example, we have discussing > it > > > in the > > > > past that astronomically Rahu and Ketu can not be in the same > > > house, but in > > > > Lal Kitab it is true. That doesn't prove Lal Kitab incorrect. We > > > need to > > > > analyse and discuss multipe foreign charts and check its > > > applicablitiy. > > > > Based on that only we should conclude something. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/10/07, krishna pal miglani <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kalsi ji, > > > > > > > > > > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > > > > > > > > > > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same > > > time as > > > > > given irrespective of the place of birth. > > > > > > > > > > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in > > > London, we > > > > > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be > Makar > > > at one > > > > > degree [ 1Cp0] > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > > > > > > > > > > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > > > > > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > > > > > > > > > > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at > 1 > > > degree [ > > > > > ayanansha correction not done] > > > > > > > > > > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how > > > correct the > > > > > Lagna from the Sarini is: > > > > > > > > > > Lagna through the software > > > > > > > > > > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51] > > > > > > > > > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > > > > > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > > > > > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > > > > > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > > > > > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > > > > > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > > > > > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the > Lagna > > > changes > > > > > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > > > > > > > > > > This is an answer to your trick. Therefore we once again > > > reiterate the > > > > > stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : > > > > > > > > > > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or > abroad > > > except > > > > > for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining > places > > > in that > > > > > region. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Punit ji, No I can not quote any written evidence for it. But one of the senior members, shri Kapatjal ji, has mentioned in one of the messages that Pundit ji asked people to get their horoscopes cast by a learned pundit even if they have to heavy fees for it. I assume he wouldn't have said so unless he found a few horoscopes wrongly cast and might have tested them through the Palm-horoscope, because that was the only easy method available with him. Sincerely, KP Miglani lalkitab , " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote: > > Dear Miglani ji, > > I don't get this feeling. To me it looks like he preferred Palm charts. > Anyways, can you refer/ quote in case he mentioned it somewhere that because > he is suspecting the pundit ji's chart that's why he is using palm chart? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On 11/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > Sure yes, Pandit ji would have cast a horoscope with the help of the > > signs on the palm if he suspected the horoscope prepared by a local > > pandit to be inaccurate. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > KP Miglani > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab% 40>, " Punit > > Pandey " <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > I have answered this in my other reply to your email. > > > > > > Your statement " This (Palm Charts) is done only when the Jatak is > > not aware > > > of his birth details. " doesn't seem correct to me. Pt. Roop Chand > > Joshi ji > > > has analysed Palm horoscope side by side with the chart created > > by " Pundit " > > > (birth chart). You can refer case studies section given at the end > > of > > > various editions of Lal Kitab to validate it. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > On 11/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab, Rahu and Ketu are always 7th to each other in a > > > > normal horoscope drawn through a Sarini or software. These two > > > > planets can be next to each other in a Varsh Phal kundali but > > NEVER > > > > in the same house. > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu could be in the same house only in a horoscope that > > has > > > > been drawn according to the signs on the palm. This is done only > > when > > > > the Jatak is not aware of his birth details. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab% 40><lalkitab% > > 40>, " Punit > > > > Pandey " <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > > > > > > > Just a small correction that this is NOT the stand taken by this > > > > forum. > > > > > Everybody is free to use whatever method s/he likes and finds > > > > working. I > > > > > personally prefer to discuss analytical part rather than > > > > mathematical part > > > > > to prove or disprove something. For example, we have discussing > > it > > > > in the > > > > > past that astronomically Rahu and Ketu can not be in the same > > > > house, but in > > > > > Lal Kitab it is true. That doesn't prove Lal Kitab incorrect. We > > > > need to > > > > > analyse and discuss multipe foreign charts and check its > > > > applicablitiy. > > > > > Based on that only we should conclude something. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/10/07, krishna pal miglani <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kalsi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > > > > > > > > > > > > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same > > > > time as > > > > > > given irrespective of the place of birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in > > > > London, we > > > > > > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be > > Makar > > > > at one > > > > > > degree [ 1Cp0] > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > > > > > > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at > > 1 > > > > degree [ > > > > > > ayanansha correction not done] > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how > > > > correct the > > > > > > Lagna from the Sarini is: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna through the software > > > > > > > > > > > > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51] > > > > > > > > > > > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > > > > > > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > > > > > > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > > > > > > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > > > > > > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > > > > > > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > > > > > > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the > > Lagna > > > > changes > > > > > > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an answer to your trick. Therefore we once again > > > > reiterate the > > > > > > stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : > > > > > > > > > > > > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or > > abroad > > > > except > > > > > > for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining > > places > > > > in that > > > > > > region. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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