Message not approved: Prediction through Lal Kitab : Attn Yograj Prabhakar ji

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Dear Punit Ji,

 

Where should I start in responding to your email? I will choose the lesser of

your documented evils ...

 

Firstly, we did not accuse anyone of anything but we are questioning two very

interesting trends. One person asks questions, a senior LK practitioner answers

them, and immediately there is no follow-up whatsoever by the original

requester/poster in the forum.

 

If someone needed help and they saw such detailed dhrusti of the tewa being

analyzed, wouldn't they enthusiastically ask for more help or ask more questions

in the forum? This has not happened on two occasions when both Yograj Ji and

Bhatia Ji have presented their analysis in the forum.

 

Then, someone from USA (new forum member) posts this glorious detailing of how

Bhatia Ji drew his face, his foot etc - but where are any remedies or analysis

or how this person actually benefitted through Lal Kitab? (They are nowhere!) In

the follow-up posting, Bhatia Ji also corrected this person on the fact that he

did get charged money even though it was written that he had not been and a

couple of other minor points also. So that having been said, the original

posting can be viewed as dishonest and without evidence. Why then, did you allow

it to post in the forum? Why did you not ask that person for evidence of proof

as you are asking now?

 

It doesn't matter if someone is a junior or senior astrologer - a question can

be asked of anyone at anytime. This is not a cartel of specific individuals who

can only be right at any given time. What logical basis do you have to question

" if you ask something of a senior astrologer in the forum you need to provide

evidence? " .

 

Do you actually read the postings before censoring them, or are you inundated

with your own self-importance that you cannot decouple fact from fiction? Now

you are saying you are trying to uncover the identity of Vanita. Why then did

you allow such posts to be published in the forum if you had doubt over its

authenticity? Secondly, why did you allow posts praising Bhatia Ji, that were

later snubbed by Bhatia Ji as also being incorrect and factually wrong? Do tell

us why your modus operandi is openly bias towards certain astrologers in this

forum - do you have personal interests? financial interests? familial interests?

If you have any interests whatsoever, then you are in position of conflicting

interests and should resign as the moderator of this forum.

 

Then, you post a response in the forum to which I replied (text below) and

then you censor my posting from the forum. What kind of a balanced moderator,

much less a gentleman are you trying to be?

 

Post my response accordingly to the forum as you have neither the logical nor

moral authority to prevent this from being read. You have ignored all emails in

the past that criticized Bhatia Ji around Lagna Sarini. I have on record 3

different emails I sent to you requesting you to take down the Lagna Sarini in

the files section which detailed my birth details incorrectly. I emailed you

again twice in September of this year questioning you on the same topic - yet

you evade, hide and ignore all such remittances of logic. Now, when learned

scholars in the LK forums have disproven the previous grounds of Lagna Sarini

you still continue to hide behind your unresponsiveness.

 

According to the constitution of your own forum published in the files

section:

 

1) No self-promotion is allowed. All mails containing any type of promotional

matter will be deleted and repeated offence shall entail deletion of your

membership.

2) No self-promotion is allow.

3) Please stick to Lal Kitab principles only.

 

Why did you allow the advertising of Bhatia Ji's visit with someone in Boston,

when it had nothing to do with LK remedies or application? The posting did not

have one sentence about how LK was used, analyzed or applied for a real-life

situation, nor in theory yet you allowed it. These self-propoganda postings by

certain members goes against these three facets of your constitution yet you sit

idle and do nothing. You have the audacity to respond to postings of other

members, including myself questioning the validity of such forum postings. Are

you aware of your nonsensical approach?

 

I am not sure what line of service or business you are engaged in outside of

this forum, but whatever it is - may God help you, because you are expressing no

sense of rational or logical discourse in your dealings with the undersigned.

 

I have not seen one email that you refer to LK remedies nor LK analysis from

you in over 3 years. Yet you continue to censor other people's debates while

simultaneously allowing those that want to extoll the virtues of certain members

without discrimination.

 

Govern yourself accordingly or don't govern at all.

 

Best Regards,

Iqbal

 

USA

 

Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

 

Dear Iqbal ji,

 

Whatever you are saying that may be correct. The whole archive of

this forum is in front of everybody and you need to tell the message/

thread to substantiate what you are saying. I, being a moderator,

would defend myself in front of the forum. I don't fear that. Please

post the message number and the bias you see there.

 

I personally don't feel it correct that two people discussion

something wrong about another person without any proof.

 

By the way, I myself am not very sure about the validity of vanita's

case. I have written an email to Vanita for checking identification.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

> Punit Ji,

>

> When postings in the past with proof were made about certain

members why then did you censor them and prevent the Lk community

from knowing about these events?

>

> Have at least some consistency in your involvement in these

matters ...

>

> What proof is there that these events took place in person?

Initially the posting itself was allowed which inflated a reader's

views of one individual without any discussion about LK remedies

whatsoever and yet you allowed that in antagonism of your own forum's

rules - That posting was subsequently proven by another posting to

have been inaccurate and misleading.

>

> Secondly, Respected Miglani's and my exchange was an open

discussion and not accusational whatsoever. Trust me when we want to

make an accusation you will know - even though you choose to apply

selective censorship if and when it pertains to your own Modus

Operandi.

>

> Your desire to apply moderation a-la-carte

> Is dissapointing to say the least particularly as you choose to

ignore emails and messages that pertain to criticism of your own

friends in this forum.

>

> Please refrain from pointing fingers in a uni-directional and

haphazard manner.

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal

> USA

>

> Sent via Blackberry

>

>

> " Punit Pandey "

 

>

> Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:40:22

> To:lalkitab

> Re: [lalkitab] Re: Prediction through Lal Kitab : Attn

Yograj Prabhakar ji

>

>

> KP Miglani and Iqbal ji,

>

> You can accuse somebody only if you have some proof. It is not

accepted to

> post something about a senior astrologer without any substantial

proof.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On 11/7/07, kpmiglani 40.co.in> co.in> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Iqbal ji,

> >

> > We do not have to stoop down to such cheap tactics. I am a part-

time

> > professional astrologer and am happy with what I've got. I need

no

> > image building props.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> > lalkitab@

s.com ,

> > punjabilovebug wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Miglani Ji,

> > >

> > > Why do you call it a miracle? It is the application of

analysis. It

> > is no miracle whatsoever so let us not cheapen these terms by

> > applying them inappropriately.

> > >

> > > The second issue you have raised is interesting - in all such

cases

> > to date there has been no follow-up with upayes or remedies or

> > further discussion of anything.

> > >

> > > Can we for a fact confirm that these people actualy existed or

is

> > this pomp and pagentry being displayed in its worst form?

> > >

> > > If you would like we could make such a " miracle " appear in the

> > forum as well - what do you say, shall we perform one together

and

> > you can choose the name I should use...?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Iqbal

> > > USA

> > >

> > >

> > > Sent via Blackberry

> > >

> > >

> > > " kpmiglani "

> > >

> > > Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:47:23

> > > To:lalkitab@

s.com

> > > [lalkitab] Re: Prediction through Lal Kitab : Attn

Yograj

> > Prabhakar ji

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Thakur Saheb,

> > >

> > > What Shri Yograj ji has done is a miracle indeed. Miracle is

some

> > > thing that happens once in a blue moon and is an inexplicable

> > > phenomenon.

> > >

> > > This is the third time in the history of this group we have

seen

> > this

> > > happen. I have gone through the archives very carefully and

have

> > paid

> > > special attention to the messages of a known few.

> > >

> > > The first miracle happened when Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji

examined

> > the

> > > horoscope of one Mr. Alpat. He asked 13 questions; all of them

> > were

> > > answered in yes by Mr. Alpat. Although the message number 25

has

> > been

> > > deleted from the archives, Mr. Alpat's answers are available in

> > the

> > > string to message number 26.

> > > After this, Mr. Alpat was soon forgotten; he never came back to

> > the

> > > group. Shri Bhatia ji never conjured up another miracle.

> > >

> > > The second time one Mr. Nishant did it. Read message number

6980.

> > > Question 6 is of main interest. He was later banned.

> > >

> > > Shri Yograj ji is the third person to do it. 17 questions, all

> > > answered in yes. So much for the law of probability.

> > >

> > > What intrigues us most is the silence of the lady who put the

> > query.

> > > After such a fantastic evaluation she should have been

pestering

> > for

> > > Upaya. There is no reminder from her to that effect. Shri

Yograj

> > ji

> > > doesn't seem to be keen on suggesting upaya for her either.

> > >

> > > Now Thakur Saheb, what would you call it, if not a miracle? I

> > doubt

> > > if even Pundit Rupchand ji would have got such a hundred

percent

> > > scores too often, at least the kundalis at the end of the 1952

> > book

> > > do not suggest so.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > > lalkitab@

> > s.com, " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > You all call your self Lal kitab specialist. Yograj jee has

not

> > > done any

> > > > miracle in

> > > > telling the nishani of planets. It will come with the

> > experience.

> > > All

> > > > these nishanis are given in Lal

> > > > Kitab. Paki Pakayi roti naa khao bhayee, Khud padho hor

labho.

> > > > Kitab apnay bhed padhnay walay ko hee kholti hai.Ye

> > > > to kitab mai hee likha hai.

> > > > Kitab kee koyi line naa samajh aaye, tab in expert kee help

le

> > lo.

> > > > Kya aap ye sochtay hain kee koyi apnay varshon kee mehnat aap

> > sab

> > > ko yon hee

> > > > luta de ga.

> > > > Aapka

> > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > > > --- kpmiglani wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > It will be a great service if you could let us know

> > > > > which planet you

> > > > > had asked each of those questions for. After getting

> > > > > all the answers in

> > > > > YES how did you decide which planets are benefic and

> > > > > do not need any

> > > > > upaya and which are malefic and would need upaya.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > On 11/3/07, waxpol wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Honourable Mr. Yograj

> > > > > Would you kindly let us know for which planets which

questions

> > > were

> > > > > asked.You had asked 17 question which were all answered in

> > > > > affirmative. After reading the answers which planets did

you

> > find

> > > as

> > > > > malefic (bud) & as benefic (nak)

> > > > > It will serve a noble purpose for leraners like me.

> > > > > With all due respect

> > > > > Niti

> > > > > lalkitab@ s.com > > oups.com> ,

> > > Vandana

> > > > Sahu

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Prabhakar ji pranam.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First of all. I am highly thankful to you for sparing

your

> > > > > precious time to read my chart and sorry for my late

response.

> > I

> > > > > have answered all of your qustions very honestly,.my

answer to

> > > each

> > > > > and every question is in the capital letters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (1). Do you have flat foot?

> > > > > > YES, I HAVE ALMOST FLAT FOOT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (2.) Do you have a hairy body and a small round face?

> > > > > > I HAVE UNUSUAL HAIR GROWTH ON MY ARMS AND LEGS FROM

> > CHILDHOOD.

> > > MY

> > > > > FACE IS ROUND BUT NOT VERY SMALL.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (3). Do you have short and double edged (2-Munh Waley)

but

> > curly

> > > > > hair?

> > > > > > YES, I HAVE DOUBLE EDGE AND CURLY MEDIUM HAIR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (4). Did you learn proper cooking after your marriage?

> > > > > > VERY RIGHT, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW TAUGHT ME THE PROPER COOKING

> > AFTER

> > > MY

> > > > > MARRIAGE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (5). Did you always had a very cordial relations with

your

> > > mother-

> > > > > in-law?

> > > > > > I ALWAYS HAD VERY GOOD RELATIONS. EVEN AFTER DIVORCE SHE

USE

> > TO

> > > > > CALL ME OFTEN.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (6). Was there any tower (Electric/TV/ Radio/Mobile) in

the

> > > south

> > > > > east side of your house in India?

> > > > > > YES, THERE WAS A HIGH POWER ELECTRICAL TOWER NEAR MY

PARENTAL

> > > > > HOUSE AND SMALL TV TRANSMITTER BEHIND MY IN-LAWS HOUSE,

EVEN

> > HERE

> > > IN

> > > > > UK THERE IS A MOBILE TOWER BEHIND MY HOUSE..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (7). Was there any Ganda-Naala opposite your parental

house?

> > > > > > BASICALLY IT WAS A " BARSATI RAJWAHA " BUT BECOME LIKE A

GANDA

> > > NALA

> > > > > LATER ON.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (8). Do you have pain in area below your waist from 1999

> > > onwards?

> > > > > > YES, I AM SUFFERING FROM P.I (PELVIC INFORMATION) FROM

1998

> > > > > ONWARDS. ALSO HAVE KNEE AND FOOT JOINT PAIN.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (9). Did your mother and Nani have/had the similar health

> > > > > problem/disease as you are having?

> > > > > > YOU ARE RIGHT, MY MOTHER TOO HAD SIMILAR PROBLEM, AND MY

> > > NANI.WAS

> > > > > A PATIENT OF ARTHRITIS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (10). Did you got divorce around March-April 2004?

> > > > > > I GOT DIVORCE ON 08-04-2004.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (11). Did you migrated/came to England around May-June

2006?

> > > > > > I CAME HERE ON 23-06-2006.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (12). Did your father ever had any heart problem?

> > > > > > NO, HE NEVER HAD ANY HEART PROBLEM EVER, BUT HE DIED

WITH A

> > > SEVERE

> > > > > HEART ATTACK.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (13). Is your handwriting not very good?

> > > > > > ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I HAVE A VERY ORDINARY HANDWRITING.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (14). Is it true that you never achieved high rank in

> > > > > education/competiti on?

> > > > > > YES, IT IS TRUE. I ALWAYS GOT SECOND CLASS. NEVER

QUALIFIED

> > ANY

> > > > > WRITTEN COMPETITION EXAM. PERHAPS MY POOR HANDWRITING WAS

ALSO

> > A

> > > > > MAJOR FACTOR.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (15). Are you in education or financial business? and

your

> > > > > boss/head is black?

> > > > > > I WORK AS ACCOUNTS ASSISTANT IN A CHARITABLE SCHOOL RUN

BY

> > YMCA.

> > > > > YES, THE HEAD OF MY SECTION IS A BLACK MAN FROM CHAD.

ACTUALLY

> > HE

> > > IS

> > > > > VERY BIASED TOWARDS ME AND I HAVE BIG PROBLEMS FROM HIM. HE

> > ALWAYS

> > > > > THREATEN TO FIRE ME. THIS TENSION IS A CAUSE OF CONTINUOUS

> > > > > DEPRESSION FOR ME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (16). Did you recently get your kitchen repaired

> > particularly

> > > its

> > > > > floor?

> > > > > > YES, IN AUGUST 2007 WE CARRIED OUT REPAIRING OF OUR

KITCHEN

> > BUT

> > > NO

> > > > > REPAIRING OF THE FLOOR WAS DONE EXCEPT THE WAX POLISHING

OF THE

> > > > > TILES.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (17). What was the first letter of your husbands name? J

or

> > M ?

> > > > > > NO, HIS NAME BEGINS WITH " K " BUT HIS NICK NAME IS " JIMMY "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru ji please help me and give me remedies urgently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vanita

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > > > wrote: Dear Vanita jee

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since you sent me a personal request too, I have seen

your

> > > > > horoscope. But before I can prescribe you any remedial

measure,

> > > > > please answer the following questions. Your correct and

honest

> > > > > answer will help me in seeing the things in a better way

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (1). Do you have flat foot?

> > > > > > (2.) Do you have a hairy body and a small round face?

> > > > > > (3). Do you have short and double edged (2-Munh Waley)

but

> > curly

> > > > > hair?

> > > > > > (4). Did you learn proper cooking after your marriage?

> > > > > > (5). Did you always had a very cordial relations with

your

> > > mother-

> > > > > in-law?

> > > > > > (6). Was there any tower (Electric/TV/ Radio/Mobile) in

the

> > > south

> > > > > east side of your house in India?

> > > > > > (7). Was there any Ganda-Naala opposite your parental

house?

> > > > > > (8). Do you have pain in area below your waist from 1999

> > > onwards?

> > > > > > (9). Did your mother and Nani have/had the similar health

> > > > > problem/disease as you are having?

> > > > > > (10). Did you got divorce around March-April 2004?

> > > > > > (11). Did you migrated/came to England around May-June

2006?

> > > > > > (12). Did your father ever had any heart problem?

> > > > > > (13). Is your handwriting not very good?

> > > > > > (14). Is it true that you never achieved high rank in

> > > > > education/competiti on?

> > > > > > (15). Are you in education or financial business? and

your

> > > > > boss/head is black?

> > > > > > (16). Did you recently get your kitchen repaired

> > particularly

> > > its

> > > > > floor?

> > > > > > (17). What was the first letter of your husbands name? J

or

> > M ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vanita wrote:

> > > > > Respected Guru ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am Vanita Shahi, a divorced woman presently living in

> > > Chemsford

> > > > > > England, facing many many problems in my life. My health

is

> > > > > > deteriorating day by day, a lot of problems in

employment,

> > > > > tension in

> > > > > > the family. Kindly see my chart and suggest upayas and

> > remedies.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > request with folded hands to look at my chart. my detail

is:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D.O.B 24-12-1962

> > > > > > T.O.B 19.15 PM

> > > > > > PLACE : LUDHIANA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanx in anticipation

> > > > > > Vanita

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > around

> > > > > > http://mail. >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Iqbal ji,

 

Please see my response in BLOCK letters.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On 11/9/07, I <punjabilovebug wrote:

>

> Dear Punit Ji,

>

> Where should I start in responding to your email? I will choose the lesser

> of your documented evils ...

>

> Firstly, we did not accuse anyone of anything but we are questioning two

> very interesting trends. One person asks questions, a senior LK practitioner

> answers them, and immediately there is no follow-up whatsoever by the

> original requester/poster in the forum.

>

 

WHEN YOU CALL SOMETHING " CHEAP-TACTICS " , WHAT SHOULD I CONSIDER? IT IS

DEFAME AND IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WHETHER TWO PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING OR

THREE. WITHOUT ANY PROOF, I DON'T ALLOW TO CALL A PREDICTION AS CHEAP

TACTICS. OTHERWISE ALL PREDICITONS/ ANALYSIS IN THIS FORUM CAN BE CLASSIFIED

AS CHEAP TACTICS?

 

 

> If someone needed help and they saw such detailed dhrusti of the tewa

> being analyzed, wouldn't they enthusiastically ask for more help or ask more

> questions in the forum? This has not happened on two occasions when both

> Yograj Ji and Bhatia Ji have presented their analysis in the forum.

>

> Then, someone from USA (new forum member) posts this glorious detailing of

> how Bhatia Ji drew his face, his foot etc - but where are any remedies or

> analysis or how this person actually benefitted through Lal Kitab? (They are

> nowhere!) In the follow-up posting, Bhatia Ji also corrected this person on

> the fact that he did get charged money even though it was written that he

> had not been and a couple of other minor points also. So that having been

> said, the original posting can be viewed as dishonest and without evidence.

> Why then, did you allow it to post in the forum? Why did you not ask that

> person for evidence of proof as you are asking now?

>

> It doesn't matter if someone is a junior or senior astrologer - a question

> can be asked of anyone at anytime. This is not a cartel of specific

> individuals who can only be right at any given time. What logical basis do

> you have to question " if you ask something of a senior astrologer in the

> forum you need to provide evidence? " .

>

 

SENIOR ASTROLGER NEEDS A LITTLE PROTECTION BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE

TRYING TO DEFAME MORE AND CONTRIBUTE LESS. SENIOR ASTROLOGERS ARE ONE WHO

CONTRIBUTE. THIS FORUM IS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE MORE FEUD THAT THAN

ANY CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION.

 

 

> Do you actually read the postings before censoring them, or are you

> inundated with your own self-importance that you cannot decouple fact from

> fiction?

>

 

THIS IS YOUR OPINION. IF YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT FORUM MODERATION, I AM MORE

THAN WILLING TO LEARN FROM YOU? STOPPING YOU FOR POSTING SOMETHING MEANS I

AM SHOWING SELF-IMPORTANCE?

 

Now you are saying you are trying to uncover the identity of Vanita. Why

> then did you allow such posts to be published in the forum if you had doubt

> over its authenticity?

>

 

I DIDN'T DOUBT ITS AUTHENTICITY INITIALLY. I AM TRYING TO REACH VANITA JUST

BECAUSE FEW PEOPLE, INCLUDING YOU, SUSPECTED HER IDENTITY.

 

Secondly, why did you allow posts praising Bhatia Ji, that were later

> snubbed by Bhatia Ji as also being incorrect and factually wrong?

>

 

PLEASE POST THE MESSAGE NUMBER.

 

Do tell us why your modus operandi is openly bias towards certain

> astrologers in this forum - do you have personal interests? financial

> interests? familial interests? If you have any interests whatsoever, then

> you are in position of conflicting interests and should resign as the

> moderator of this forum.

>

 

THIS IS ANOTHER SPECULATION FROM YOU WHICH IS NOTHING NEW. IT IS EASY TO SAY

TO ANYBODY THAT HE HAS PERSONAL INTEREST. I CAN ALSO SAY TO YOU THAT YOU

HAVE SOME PERSONAL INTEREST, ISN'T IT? BUT YOU NEED TO TELL WHAT PERSONAL

INTEREST I HAVE AND WHY DO YOU THINK I HAVE THOSE PERSONAL INTEREST. PLEASE

STOP SPECULATING.

 

 

> Then, you post a response in the forum to which I replied (text below) and

> then you censor my posting from the forum. What kind of a balanced

> moderator, much less a gentleman are you trying to be?

>

 

I HAVE MENTIONED VERY CLEARLY THE REASON WHY I STOPPED THAT POST IN THE POST

ITSELF. MY REPLY IS PART OF THIS EMAIL, SO IT IS IN FRONT OF THE FORUM.

NOTHING HIDDEN. I'LL NOT ALLOW TO PUBLISH ATTACKING ANY PERSON WITHOUT ANY

PROOF. I AM TRYING MY BEST TO REACH THAT LADY AND IF YOU CAN ALSO PRODUCE

ANY PROOF THAT WILL BE GREAT. PLEASE STOP ALLEGATING AND ILL-FINDING.

 

 

> Post my response accordingly to the forum as you have neither the logical

> nor moral authority to prevent this from being read.

>

 

WHY SO? JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK SO?

 

You have ignored all emails in the past that criticized Bhatia Ji around

> Lagna Sarini. I have on record 3 different emails I sent to you requesting

> you to take down the Lagna Sarini in the files section which detailed my

> birth details incorrectly. I emailed you again twice in September of this

> year questioning you on the same topic - yet you evade, hide and ignore all

> such remittances of logic. Now, when learned scholars in the LK forums have

> disproven the previous grounds of Lagna Sarini you still continue to hide

> behind your unresponsiveness.

>

 

I ALWAYS MENTION THE REASON WHENEVER I DISAPPROVE MESSAGE. PLEASE GO AND

READ THE MESSAGE. I ONLY STOP RESONDING, IF PESON KEEP POSTING THE SAME

THING. I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS ABOUT THAT. PLEASE POST THAT

MESSAGE HERE.

 

 

> According to the constitution of your own forum published in the files

> section:

>

> 1) No self-promotion is allowed. All mails containing any type of

> promotional matter will be deleted and repeated offence shall entail

> deletion of your membership.

> 2) No self-promotion is allow.

> 3) Please stick to Lal Kitab principles only.

>

> Why did you allow the advertising of Bhatia Ji's visit with someone in

> Boston, when it had nothing to do with LK remedies or application? The

> posting did not have one sentence about how LK was used, analyzed or applied

> for a real-life situation, nor in theory yet you allowed it. These

> self-propoganda postings by certain members goes against these three facets

> of your constitution yet you sit idle and do nothing. You have the audacity

> to respond to postings of other members, including myself questioning the

> validity of such forum postings. Are you aware of your nonsensical approach?

>

 

PLEASE POST THE MESSAGE NUMBER. I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT MESSAGE. IN CASE IT WAS

ALLOWED, IT IS DEFINATELY VIOLATION OF FORUM CONSTITUTION. I'LL BE NO FEAR

ACCEPTING MY MISTAKE.

 

 

> I am not sure what line of service or business you are engaged in outside

> of this forum, but whatever it is - may God help you, because you are

> expressing no sense of rational or logical discourse in your dealings with

> the undersigned.

>

 

YOUR OPINION AND YOU ARE FREE TO FORM YOUR OPINION. IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY

SOMEBODY IRRATIONAL OR ILLOGIAL, BUT YOU SHOULD SUBSTANTIATE IT WITH THE

FACT. I MANAGE LOTS OF FORUMS AND LOTS OF THEM ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS

ONE. YOU ARE FIRST AMONG THOUSE SEVERAL THOUSAND MEMBERS WHO ARE CALLING ME

ILLOGIAL :-) LET US DISCUSS ABOUT MY ILLOGICAL DECISIONS AND IF YOU PROVED

THAT I'LL LEAVE THE MODERATION.

 

 

> I have not seen one email that you refer to LK remedies nor LK analysis

> from you in over 3 years. Yet you continue to censor other people's debates

> while simultaneously allowing those that want to extoll the virtues of

> certain members without discrimination.

>

 

FOR YOUR INFORMATION I NEVER CLAIMED THAT I AM EXPERT LAL KITAB ASTROLOGER

AND THAT IS THE REASON YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REMEDY OR ANALYSIS FROM ME. I

AM MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM AND MY JOB IS TO MODERATE AND MANAGE THIS FORUM.

IT DOENS'T MATTER WHETHER I ANALYSIS CHART OR PROVIDE REMEDY OR NOT. I HOPE

YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

 

 

> Govern yourself accordingly or don't govern at all.

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal

>

> USA

>

> *Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

>

> Dear Iqbal ji,

>

> Whatever you are saying that may be correct. The whole archive of

> this forum is in front of everybody and you need to tell the message/

> thread to substantiate what you are saying. I, being a moderator,

> would defend myself in front of the forum. I don't fear that. Please

> post the message number and the bias you see there.

>

> I personally don't feel it correct that two people discussion

> something wrong about another person without any proof.

>

> By the way, I myself am not very sure about the validity of vanita's

> case. I have written an email to Vanita for checking identification.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> > Punit Ji,

> >

> > When postings in the past with proof were made about certain

> members why then did you censor them and prevent the Lk community

> from knowing about these events?

> >

> > Have at least some consistency in your involvement in these

> matters ...

> >

> > What proof is there that these events took place in person?

> Initially the posting itself was allowed which inflated a reader's

> views of one individual without any discussion about LK remedies

> whatsoever and yet you allowed that in antagonism of your own forum's

> rules - That posting was subsequently proven by another posting to

> have been inaccurate and misleading.

> >

> > Secondly, Respected Miglani's and my exchange was an open

> discussion and not accusational whatsoever. Trust me when we want to

> make an accusation you will know - even though you choose to apply

> selective censorship if and when it pertains to your own Modus

> Operandi.

> >

> > Your desire to apply moderation a-la-carte

> > Is dissapointing to say the least particularly as you choose to

> ignore emails and messages that pertain to criticism of your own

> friends in this forum.

> >

> > Please refrain from pointing fingers in a uni-directional and

> haphazard manner.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Iqbal

> > USA

> >

> > Sent via Blackberry

> >

> >

> > " Punit Pandey "

> >

> > Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:40:22

> > To:lalkitab

> > Re: [lalkitab] Re: Prediction through Lal Kitab : Attn

> Yograj Prabhakar ji

> >

> >

> > KP Miglani and Iqbal ji,

> >

> > You can accuse somebody only if you have some proof. It is not

> accepted to

> > post something about a senior astrologer without any substantial

> proof.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On 11/7/07, kpmiglani 40.co.in> co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Iqbal ji,

> > >

> > > We do not have to stoop down to such cheap tactics. I am a part-

> time

> > > professional astrologer and am happy with what I've got. I need

> no

> > > image building props.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > > lalkitab@

> s.com ,

> > > punjabilovebug wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Miglani Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Why do you call it a miracle? It is the application of

> analysis. It

> > > is no miracle whatsoever so let us not cheapen these terms by

> > > applying them inappropriately.

> > > >

> > > > The second issue you have raised is interesting - in all such

> cases

> > > to date there has been no follow-up with upayes or remedies or

> > > further discussion of anything.

> > > >

> > > > Can we for a fact confirm that these people actualy existed or

> is

> > > this pomp and pagentry being displayed in its worst form?

> > > >

> > > > If you would like we could make such a " miracle " appear in the

> > > forum as well - what do you say, shall we perform one together

> and

> > > you can choose the name I should use...?

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Iqbal

> > > > USA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sent via Blackberry

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " kpmiglani "

> > > >

> > > > Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:47:23

> > > > To:lalkitab@

> s.com

> > > > [lalkitab] Re: Prediction through Lal Kitab : Attn

> Yograj

> > > Prabhakar ji

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Thakur Saheb,

> > > >

> > > > What Shri Yograj ji has done is a miracle indeed. Miracle is

> some

> > > > thing that happens once in a blue moon and is an inexplicable

> > > > phenomenon.

> > > >

> > > > This is the third time in the history of this group we have

> seen

> > > this

> > > > happen. I have gone through the archives very carefully and

> have

> > > paid

> > > > special attention to the messages of a known few.

> > > >

> > > > The first miracle happened when Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji

> examined

> > > the

> > > > horoscope of one Mr. Alpat. He asked 13 questions; all of them

> > > were

> > > > answered in yes by Mr. Alpat. Although the message number 25

> has

> > > been

> > > > deleted from the archives, Mr. Alpat's answers are available in

> > > the

> > > > string to message number 26.

> > > > After this, Mr. Alpat was soon forgotten; he never came back to

> > > the

> > > > group. Shri Bhatia ji never conjured up another miracle.

> > > >

> > > > The second time one Mr. Nishant did it. Read message number

> 6980.

> > > > Question 6 is of main interest. He was later banned.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Yograj ji is the third person to do it. 17 questions, all

> > > > answered in yes. So much for the law of probability.

> > > >

> > > > What intrigues us most is the silence of the lady who put the

> > > query.

> > > > After such a fantastic evaluation she should have been

> pestering

> > > for

> > > > Upaya. There is no reminder from her to that effect. Shri

> Yograj

> > > ji

> > > > doesn't seem to be keen on suggesting upaya for her either.

> > > >

> > > > Now Thakur Saheb, what would you call it, if not a miracle? I

> > > doubt

> > > > if even Pundit Rupchand ji would have got such a hundred

> percent

> > > > scores too often, at least the kundalis at the end of the 1952

> > > book

> > > > do not suggest so.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab@

> > > s.com, " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > You all call your self Lal kitab specialist. Yograj jee has

> not

> > > > done any

> > > > > miracle in

> > > > > telling the nishani of planets. It will come with the

> > > experience.

> > > > All

> > > > > these nishanis are given in Lal

> > > > > Kitab. Paki Pakayi roti naa khao bhayee, Khud padho hor

> labho.

> > > > > Kitab apnay bhed padhnay walay ko hee kholti hai.Ye

> > > > > to kitab mai hee likha hai.

> > > > > Kitab kee koyi line naa samajh aaye, tab in expert kee help

> le

> > > lo.

> > > > > Kya aap ye sochtay hain kee koyi apnay varshon kee mehnat aap

> > > sab

> > > > ko yon hee

> > > > > luta de ga.

> > > > > Aapka

> > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > > > > --- kpmiglani wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It will be a great service if you could let us know

> > > > > > which planet you

> > > > > > had asked each of those questions for. After getting

> > > > > > all the answers in

> > > > > > YES how did you decide which planets are benefic and

> > > > > > do not need any

> > > > > > upaya and which are malefic and would need upaya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > On 11/3/07, waxpol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Honourable Mr. Yograj

> > > > > > Would you kindly let us know for which planets which

> questions

> > > > were

> > > > > > asked.You had asked 17 question which were all answered in

> > > > > > affirmative. After reading the answers which planets did

> you

> > > find

> > > > as

> > > > > > malefic (bud) & as benefic (nak)

> > > > > > It will serve a noble purpose for leraners like me.

> > > > > > With all due respect

> > > > > > Niti

> > > > > > lalkitab@ s.com > > oups.com> ,

> > > > Vandana

> > > > > Sahu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Prabhakar ji pranam.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First of all. I am highly thankful to you for sparing

> your

> > > > > > precious time to read my chart and sorry for my late

> response.

> > > I

> > > > > > have answered all of your qustions very honestly,.my

> answer to

> > > > each

> > > > > > and every question is in the capital letters.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (1). Do you have flat foot?

> > > > > > > YES, I HAVE ALMOST FLAT FOOT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (2.) Do you have a hairy body and a small round face?

> > > > > > > I HAVE UNUSUAL HAIR GROWTH ON MY ARMS AND LEGS FROM

> > > CHILDHOOD.

> > > > MY

> > > > > > FACE IS ROUND BUT NOT VERY SMALL.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (3). Do you have short and double edged (2-Munh Waley)

> but

> > > curly

> > > > > > hair?

> > > > > > > YES, I HAVE DOUBLE EDGE AND CURLY MEDIUM HAIR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (4). Did you learn proper cooking after your marriage?

> > > > > > > VERY RIGHT, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW TAUGHT ME THE PROPER COOKING

> > > AFTER

> > > > MY

> > > > > > MARRIAGE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (5). Did you always had a very cordial relations with

> your

> > > > mother-

> > > > > > in-law?

> > > > > > > I ALWAYS HAD VERY GOOD RELATIONS. EVEN AFTER DIVORCE SHE

> USE

> > > TO

> > > > > > CALL ME OFTEN.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (6). Was there any tower (Electric/TV/ Radio/Mobile) in

> the

> > > > south

> > > > > > east side of your house in India?

> > > > > > > YES, THERE WAS A HIGH POWER ELECTRICAL TOWER NEAR MY

> PARENTAL

> > > > > > HOUSE AND SMALL TV TRANSMITTER BEHIND MY IN-LAWS HOUSE,

> EVEN

> > > HERE

> > > > IN

> > > > > > UK THERE IS A MOBILE TOWER BEHIND MY HOUSE..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (7). Was there any Ganda-Naala opposite your parental

> house?

> > > > > > > BASICALLY IT WAS A " BARSATI RAJWAHA " BUT BECOME LIKE A

> GANDA

> > > > NALA

> > > > > > LATER ON.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (8). Do you have pain in area below your waist from 1999

> > > > onwards?

> > > > > > > YES, I AM SUFFERING FROM P.I (PELVIC INFORMATION) FROM

> 1998

> > > > > > ONWARDS. ALSO HAVE KNEE AND FOOT JOINT PAIN.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (9). Did your mother and Nani have/had the similar health

> > > > > > problem/disease as you are having?

> > > > > > > YOU ARE RIGHT, MY MOTHER TOO HAD SIMILAR PROBLEM, AND MY

> > > > NANI.WAS

> > > > > > A PATIENT OF ARTHRITIS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (10). Did you got divorce around March-April 2004?

> > > > > > > I GOT DIVORCE ON 08-04-2004.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (11). Did you migrated/came to England around May-June

> 2006?

> > > > > > > I CAME HERE ON 23-06-2006.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (12). Did your father ever had any heart problem?

> > > > > > > NO, HE NEVER HAD ANY HEART PROBLEM EVER, BUT HE DIED

> WITH A

> > > > SEVERE

> > > > > > HEART ATTACK.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (13). Is your handwriting not very good?

> > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I HAVE A VERY ORDINARY HANDWRITING.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (14). Is it true that you never achieved high rank in

> > > > > > education/competiti on?

> > > > > > > YES, IT IS TRUE. I ALWAYS GOT SECOND CLASS. NEVER

> QUALIFIED

> > > ANY

> > > > > > WRITTEN COMPETITION EXAM. PERHAPS MY POOR HANDWRITING WAS

> ALSO

> > > A

> > > > > > MAJOR FACTOR.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (15). Are you in education or financial business? and

> your

> > > > > > boss/head is black?

> > > > > > > I WORK AS ACCOUNTS ASSISTANT IN A CHARITABLE SCHOOL RUN

> BY

> > > YMCA.

> > > > > > YES, THE HEAD OF MY SECTION IS A BLACK MAN FROM CHAD.

> ACTUALLY

> > > HE

> > > > IS

> > > > > > VERY BIASED TOWARDS ME AND I HAVE BIG PROBLEMS FROM HIM. HE

> > > ALWAYS

> > > > > > THREATEN TO FIRE ME. THIS TENSION IS A CAUSE OF CONTINUOUS

> > > > > > DEPRESSION FOR ME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (16). Did you recently get your kitchen repaired

> > > particularly

> > > > its

> > > > > > floor?

> > > > > > > YES, IN AUGUST 2007 WE CARRIED OUT REPAIRING OF OUR

> KITCHEN

> > > BUT

> > > > NO

> > > > > > REPAIRING OF THE FLOOR WAS DONE EXCEPT THE WAX POLISHING

> OF THE

> > > > > > TILES.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (17). What was the first letter of your husbands name? J

> or

> > > M ?

> > > > > > > NO, HIS NAME BEGINS WITH " K " BUT HIS NICK NAME IS " JIMMY "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guru ji please help me and give me remedies urgently.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vanita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > > > > wrote: Dear Vanita jee

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since you sent me a personal request too, I have seen

> your

> > > > > > horoscope. But before I can prescribe you any remedial

> measure,

> > > > > > please answer the following questions. Your correct and

> honest

> > > > > > answer will help me in seeing the things in a better way

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (1). Do you have flat foot?

> > > > > > > (2.) Do you have a hairy body and a small round face?

> > > > > > > (3). Do you have short and double edged (2-Munh Waley)

> but

> > > curly

> > > > > > hair?

> > > > > > > (4). Did you learn proper cooking after your marriage?

> > > > > > > (5). Did you always had a very cordial relations with

> your

> > > > mother-

> > > > > > in-law?

> > > > > > > (6). Was there any tower (Electric/TV/ Radio/Mobile) in

> the

> > > > south

> > > > > > east side of your house in India?

> > > > > > > (7). Was there any Ganda-Naala opposite your parental

> house?

> > > > > > > (8). Do you have pain in area below your waist from 1999

> > > > onwards?

> > > > > > > (9). Did your mother and Nani have/had the similar health

> > > > > > problem/disease as you are having?

> > > > > > > (10). Did you got divorce around March-April 2004?

> > > > > > > (11). Did you migrated/came to England around May-June

> 2006?

> > > > > > > (12). Did your father ever had any heart problem?

> > > > > > > (13). Is your handwriting not very good?

> > > > > > > (14). Is it true that you never achieved high rank in

> > > > > > education/competiti on?

> > > > > > > (15). Are you in education or financial business? and

> your

> > > > > > boss/head is black?

> > > > > > > (16). Did you recently get your kitchen repaired

> > > particularly

> > > > its

> > > > > > floor?

> > > > > > > (17). What was the first letter of your husbands name? J

> or

> > > M ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless you

> > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vanita wrote:

> > > > > > Respected Guru ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am Vanita Shahi, a divorced woman presently living in

> > > > Chemsford

> > > > > > > England, facing many many problems in my life. My health

> is

> > > > > > > deteriorating day by day, a lot of problems in

> employment,

> > > > > > tension in

> > > > > > > the family. Kindly see my chart and suggest upayas and

> > > remedies.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > request with folded hands to look at my chart. my detail

> is:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D.O.B 24-12-1962

> > > > > > > T.O.B 19.15 PM

> > > > > > > PLACE : LUDHIANA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx in anticipation

> > > > > > > Vanita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > around

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >