Lagn sarani IS AN INACCURATE DOCUMENT!!!

[Guest guest]

Dear Iqbal,

 

Dr. Upadhyay (a.k.a. Bhooshanpriya jee) has presented his views on this topic.

Logically and mathematically, there is no doubt about the accuracy of his

argument. Vipin jee (a.k.a. Lalkitabee) also expressed very similar sentiments

to me in a recent private Email. I have got to say this: those who don't like

the lagan sarini approach, should discard it (trash it, junk it, burn it -

whatever suits them) and continue on with the rest of their lives. Not using it

is not illegal and using it is not immoral. You seem to be particularly obsessed

about this particular topic. All I have to say is that I have made literally

hundreds of horoscopes based on this approach and I am more than satisfied with

it. In the future also, I will continue to use it when I have a " foreign birth "

case. That is my declared and firm policy and belief. People are free to use

whichever approach suits them. To each his own!!

 

I exactly know why there are perceived discrepancies in the lagna sarini - yet

I don't need to defend it - all I have to say is that my success rate with this

is more than 90%.

 

I will make one statement here and please, all readers, read it logically:

Every LalKitab user agrees that Rahu and Ketu can be even one house apart and

Sun and Venus can be seven houses apart (very unscientific and un-Vedic logic.

RIGHT?) Then why can't Lagna Sarini be based on seemingly strange principles?

After all, the same Pt Rup Chand jee developed this lagna sarini who gave us

such an un-vedic and un-scientific

un-refined, crude and strange logic of Rahu-Ketu as (possibly) being in the

same house. He spent years of hard work to formulate and tweak the sarini. Why

are we using double standards here? Discard the blessed LalKitab too as

unscientific and throw it away. Where is the scientific reason for accepting

that silly principle of Rahu - Ketu, and Sun, Venus, Mercury however many houses

apart? Why not forget about the whole entire LalKitab as un-scientific and

un-refined mumbo jumbo?

 

Seriously, there are times when a horoscope doesn't " reveal " itself. Those

kinds of exceptions are always there; I run into this situation every once in a

while whether it is an " India born " or a " foreign born " case. I know that you

haven't had full satisfaction either with LalKitab approach, or with LK Lagna

Sarini approach or (perhaps) with Vedic approach. I am morally obligated not

to discuss your horoscope or situation here in a public forum. I expected the

same from you. The reason I did not forward your previous Email is because you

wrote things in that Email which were discussed strictly between you and I and I

feel that it was a private matter between two gentlemen which should have had no

place in a public forum. Other readers, please note that there is/was no

conflict or misunderstanding between myself and Iqbal. Don't you agree with me

on this, Iqbal?

 

Please refrain from using words like " zamant " and " ...collusion taking place

for commercial purposes... " etc. Please don't get too emotional and too charged

up about it and take it easy. It was I who told you that the Lagna sarini

approach didn't work for you, and that it is useless as far as you are

concerned. But it does work for many folks. Kindly move on with your life.

 

Let me end my Email with a light-hearted dig - How much " zamanat " are you

willing to pay?As everyone knows now, thanks to a well-wisher or two, I can be

bought, if the price is right.

 

My best wishes to you.

 

Rajinder Bhatia

 

ebug wrote:

This is great Bhooshan Ji- Even from a vedic approach this method has been

proven fallible. I appreciate the effort with which you have shown your logical

and umemotional methodology.

 

Why are so many senior members of the forum mum on this topic? Some of you have

claimed you have even used this approach ... Come forward and share your

successes with it ...

 

I have submitted 3 postings in both forums all of which have not been posted

because of the censorship on truth and straightforwardness that apparently the

Forum moderators are married to.

 

 

Punit Ji, Shukla Ji - Why are you feeling threatened by the truth and not

posting my messages as they were in accordance with all forum rules which you

have published and cited?

 

Is there a collusion taking place for commercial purposes? If not - then publish

my posts or explain why they have been " held " and I will provide the Zamanat to

release them ...

 

 

Best Regards,

Iqbal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhatia ji,

 

You seem to be misinformed about the Vedic astrology.

 

Rahu and Ketu being together in the same house or Mercury and Venus

being 7 houses away from the Sun is a Vedic astrology concept. There

is nothing illogical or un-vedic about it. The Vedic astrology had

long back propounded this concept. The Lal Kitab has just followed

it.

 

Rahu and Ketu not only can be but compulsorily have to be in the

same house in the following TEN divisional charts:

 

D-2

D-5

D-6

D-8

D-16

D-20

D-24

D-30

D-40

D-45

 

In divisional charts Venus can be 180 degrees away from the Sun and

so can be Mercury. Astronomically Venus cannot be more than 49

degrees away from the Sun.

 

But the things are different with the Janma Kundali. Since the Janma

Kundali is a map of the sky at the time of birth, the planets,

including the nodes, have to be shown or plotted as they appear in

the sky under the astronomical rules. Similarly the Ascendant has to

be the sign, which is rising at the horizon at the time of birth.

The accuracy of the Ascendant cannot be compromised.

 

Even the Lal Kitab follows the Vedic rules for the Janma Kundali. It

is only in the Varsh Phal chart that the Rahu and Ketu can be in the

adjacent houses and Venus and mercury 7 houses away. In a kundali

prepared through Palmistry both the Rahu and the Ketu can be in the

same house. None of the above is against the principles of vedic

astrology.

 

Therefore the argument that if we accept Rahu and ketu together in

the same house or in adjacent houses, might as well accept an

incorrect ascendant calculated through an inaccurate Sarini, doesn't

hold good.

 

I agree with you when you say that those who do not have faith on

the Sarini because it is inaccurate are free to keep away from it,

or reject it as an obsolete tool.

 

You have said in no uncertain terms that you would continue to use

the same Sarini. I appreciate your stand.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Iqbal,

>

> Dr. Upadhyay (a.k.a. Bhooshanpriya jee) has presented his views

on this topic. Logically and mathematically, there is no doubt about

the accuracy of his argument. Vipin jee (a.k.a. Lalkitabee) also

expressed very similar sentiments to me in a recent private Email.

I have got to say this: those who don't like the lagan sarini

approach, should discard it (trash it, junk it, burn it - whatever

suits them) and continue on with the rest of their lives. Not using

it is not illegal and using it is not immoral. You seem to be

particularly obsessed about this particular topic. All I have to say

is that I have made literally hundreds of horoscopes based on this

approach and I am more than satisfied with it. In the future also, I

will continue to use it when I have a " foreign birth " case. That is

my declared and firm policy and belief. People are free to use

whichever approach suits them. To each his own!!

>

> I exactly know why there are perceived discrepancies in the

lagna sarini - yet I don't need to defend it - all I have to say is

that my success rate with this is more than 90%.

>

> I will make one statement here and please, all readers, read it

logically:

> Every LalKitab user agrees that Rahu and Ketu can be even one

house apart and Sun and Venus can be seven houses apart (very

unscientific and un-Vedic logic. RIGHT?) Then why can't Lagna Sarini

be based on seemingly strange principles? After all, the same Pt Rup

Chand jee developed this lagna sarini who gave us such an un-vedic

and un-scientific

> un-refined, crude and strange logic of Rahu-Ketu as (possibly)

being in the same house. He spent years of hard work to formulate

and tweak the sarini. Why are we using double standards here?

Discard the blessed LalKitab too as unscientific and throw it away.

Where is the scientific reason for accepting that silly principle of

Rahu - Ketu, and Sun, Venus, Mercury however many houses apart? Why

not forget about the whole entire LalKitab as un-scientific and un-

refined mumbo jumbo?

>

> Seriously, there are times when a horoscope doesn't " reveal "

itself. Those kinds of exceptions are always there; I run into this

situation every once in a while whether it is an " India born " or

a " foreign born " case. I know that you haven't had full satisfaction

either with LalKitab approach, or with LK Lagna Sarini approach or

(perhaps) with Vedic approach. I am morally obligated not to

discuss your horoscope or situation here in a public forum. I

expected the same from you. The reason I did not forward your

previous Email is because you wrote things in that Email which were

discussed strictly between you and I and I feel that it was a

private matter between two gentlemen which should have had no place

in a public forum. Other readers, please note that there is/was no

conflict or misunderstanding between myself and Iqbal. Don't you

agree with me on this, Iqbal?

>

> Please refrain from using words like " zamant " and " ...collusion

taking place for commercial purposes... " etc. Please don't get too

emotional and too charged up about it and take it easy. It was I who

told you that the Lagna sarini approach didn't work for you, and

that it is useless as far as you are concerned. But it does work for

many folks. Kindly move on with your life.

>

> Let me end my Email with a light-hearted dig - How

much " zamanat " are you willing to pay?As everyone knows now, thanks

to a well-wisher or two, I can be bought, if the price is right.

>

> My best wishes to you.

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> ebug wrote:

> This is great Bhooshan Ji- Even from a vedic approach this

method has been proven fallible. I appreciate the effort with which

you have shown your logical and umemotional methodology.

>

> Why are so many senior members of the forum mum on this topic?

Some of you have claimed you have even used this approach ... Come

forward and share your successes with it ...

>

> I have submitted 3 postings in both forums all of which have not

been posted because of the censorship on truth and

straightforwardness that apparently the Forum moderators are married

to.

>

>

> Punit Ji, Shukla Ji - Why are you feeling threatened by the truth

and not posting my messages as they were in accordance with all

forum rules which you have published and cited?

>

> Is there a collusion taking place for commercial purposes? If not -

then publish my posts or explain why they have been " held " and I

will provide the Zamanat to release them ...

>

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal

>

>

>

>

 

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajinder Bhai,

 

I am not obsessed with this issue - I am obssessed with uncovering the truth

or reality behind this issue. Nobody minds your own methodology or technique

that you prescribe to when practicing Lal Kitab, but to implicitly suggest this

is a mandatory approach in order to achieve the full benefits of LK is

misleading and something which I don't think you are trying to voice.

 

Yes there are discrepancies in the Sarini approach and in previous postings

you have listed how Pandit Ji used this as exceptions. Why then the need to cast

a chart like this 100% of the time? The logic doesn't extend from your previous

comments and the ones aforementioned in your recent post. I agree " to each his

own " but also let us not lead people down a stray path without some bootstraps

around helping them understand why and when certain techniques should be used.

 

As you have clearly stated Pandit Ji spent years formulating that Rahu-Ketu

can be in different houses I agree. But Bhatia Ji the logic also would extend to

signifiying that these findings Pandit Ji included in the Lal Kitab. They did

not include Lagna Sarini in any of the volumes. If they have included it can you

please provide the volume and page number references? They, to the best of my

limited self-knowledge, also not made any comments in passing about Lagna Sarini

throughout all volumes of Lal Kitab or the Gutka itself either. Can you please

either confirm or dispel this as you are more senior than me?

 

You are indeed correct that I haven't had full satisfaction with this Lagna

Sarini approach - I would offer that I have had NO satisfaction or benefits of

this approach. This was also validated by you when you kindly took a look at my

horoscope to help me understand certain events taking place. You also agreed

that the kundali " bol nayee raya " according to this technique. Subsequently and

only after initiating upayes against my foreign-birth varshphal have I had

promising successes with improving certain areas of my own life. I am pleased to

see you have confirmed that this Lagna Sarini approach did not work for my

foreign birth and thus is a fallible methodology.

 

Bhatia Ji there was nothing ill-intended in my previous posting against you, I

believe you would confirm this. Rather, I was defending you in my posting as you

will see from the comments around our agreement on terms for you to analyze my

horoscope. I highlighted my experiences with the only other people I know of who

prescribe to this Sarini approach and the haphazard results which followed.

However the tone of my posting was both cordial, matter-of-factly and most

importantly, laser-sighted on providing the truth of my own experiences and this

is why I was surprised it was published.

 

I don't have any personal differences with you, nor you with I, I would argue.

We have a cordial relationship predicated on our mutual enthusiasm for Lal

Kitab. However, I do not follow your approaches towards Sarini nor do I have as

esteemed views on Pandit Som Dutt Ji's methodologies which I have personally

experienced. ..... We are both gentlemen and in our interactions I don't think

either of us would suggest otherwise about the other, not now nor in the future.

 

I would like to sum that I am not emotional about the conflicting views on

this particular topic, but rather emotional about why no esteemed members,

yourself included as a senior moderator of this forum want to share examples of

where this Sarini approach was used successfully and for rectification of what

kind of problem etc - This is the spirit of this forum and to date, nobody has

gone on record with showing where this approach has succeeded, as you claim in

90% of the cases you work on. I have shared my own case where it failed, why not

share a case or two where you feel they have succeeded bhai?

 

As far as Zamanat is concerned I am poor in comparison to you I am sure -

However, all I can offer as collateral is my integrity and dedicated desire to

uncover the truths of Lal Kitab. Would you be willing to accept these humble

offerings?

 

Best Regards,

Aap Ka Shota Bhai

 

Iqbal

 

 

 

 

Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

 

Dear Iqbal,

 

Dr. Upadhyay (a.k.a. Bhooshanpriya jee) has presented his views on this topic.

Logically and mathematically, there is no doubt about the accuracy of his

argument. Vipin jee (a.k.a. Lalkitabee) also expressed very similar sentiments

to me in a recent private Email. I have got to say this: those who don't like

the lagan sarini approach, should discard it (trash it, junk it, burn it -

whatever suits them) and continue on with the rest of their lives. Not using it

is not illegal and using it is not immoral. You seem to be particularly obsessed

about this particular topic. All I have to say is that I have made literally

hundreds of horoscopes based on this approach and I am more than satisfied with

it. In the future also, I will continue to use it when I have a " foreign birth "

case. That is my declared and firm policy and belief. People are free to use

whichever approach suits them. To each his own!!

 

I exactly know why there are perceived discrepancies in the lagna sarini - yet I

don't need to defend it - all I have to say is that my success rate with this is

more than 90%.

 

I will make one statement here and please, all readers, read it logically:

Every LalKitab user agrees that Rahu and Ketu can be even one house apart and

Sun and Venus can be seven houses apart (very unscientific and un-Vedic logic.

RIGHT?) Then why can't Lagna Sarini be based on seemingly strange principles?

After all, the same Pt Rup Chand jee developed this lagna sarini who gave us

such an un-vedic and un-scientific

un-refined, crude and strange logic of Rahu-Ketu as (possibly) being in the same

house. He spent years of hard work to formulate and tweak the sarini. Why are we

using double standards here? Discard the blessed LalKitab too as unscientific

and throw it away. Where is the scientific reason for accepting that silly

principle of Rahu - Ketu, and Sun, Venus, Mercury however many houses apart? Why

not forget about the whole entire LalKitab as un-scientific and un-refined mumbo

jumbo?

 

Seriously, there are times when a horoscope doesn't " reveal " itself. Those kinds

of exceptions are always there; I run into this situation every once in a while

whether it is an " India born " or a " foreign born " case. I know that you haven't

had full satisfaction either with LalKitab approach, or with LK Lagna Sarini

approach or (perhaps) with Vedic approach. I am morally obligated not to discuss

your horoscope or situation here in a public forum. I expected the same from

you. The reason I did not forward your previous Email is because you wrote

things in that Email which were discussed strictly between you and I and I feel

that it was a private matter between two gentlemen which should have had no

place in a public forum. Other readers, please note that there is/was no

conflict or misunderstanding between myself and Iqbal. Don't you agree with me

on this, Iqbal?

 

Please refrain from using words like " zamant " and " ...collusion taking place for

commercial purposes... " etc. Please don't get too emotional and too charged up

about it and take it easy. It was I who told you that the Lagna sarini approach

didn't work for you, and that it is useless as far as you are concerned. But it

does work for many folks. Kindly move on with your life.

 

Let me end my Email with a light-hearted dig - How much " zamanat " are you

willing to pay?As everyone knows now, thanks to a well-wisher or two, I can be

bought, if the price is right.

 

My best wishes to you.

 

Rajinder Bhatia

 

ebug wrote:

This is great Bhooshan Ji- Even from a vedic approach this method has been

proven fallible. I appreciate the effort with which you have shown your logical

and umemotional methodology.

 

Why are so many senior members of the forum mum on this topic? Some of you have

claimed you have even used this approach ... Come forward and share your

successes with it ...

 

I have submitted 3 postings in both forums all of which have not been posted

because of the censorship on truth and straightforwardness that apparently the

Forum moderators are married to.

 

Punit Ji, Shukla Ji - Why are you feeling threatened by the truth and not

posting my messages as they were in accordance with all forum rules which you

have published and cited?

 

Is there a collusion taking place for commercial purposes? If not - then publish

my posts or explain why they have been " held " and I will provide the Zamanat to

release them ...

 

Best Regards,

Iqbal

 

 

Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with

FareChase.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Shri miglani ji. it is written in llkitab ' shashtri jyotish ki

burayion se bachein'' but it is no where written that shashtri

jyotish se bachen. lk says rashi cshod nakshatra bhulaya but did it

really abandoned the concept of rashi and rashi phal. if somebaody

still says that rashi has been used in place of ghar then surely he

is misinformed. lagan rashi, rashiphal are all concepts of shashtri

jyotish.

regards

kulbir bains

>

> Dear Bhatia ji,

>

> You seem to be misinformed about the Vedic astrology.

>

> Rahu and Ketu being together in the same house or Mercury and

Venus

> being 7 houses away from the Sun is a Vedic astrology concept.

There

> is nothing illogical or un-vedic about it. The Vedic astrology had

> long back propounded this concept. The Lal Kitab has just followed

> it.

>

> Rahu and Ketu not only can be but compulsorily have to be in the

> same house in the following TEN divisional charts:

>

> D-2

> D-5

> D-6

> D-8

> D-16

> D-20

> D-24

> D-30

> D-40

> D-45

>

> In divisional charts Venus can be 180 degrees away from the Sun

and

> so can be Mercury. Astronomically Venus cannot be more than 49

> degrees away from the Sun.

>

> But the things are different with the Janma Kundali. Since the

Janma

> Kundali is a map of the sky at the time of birth, the planets,

> including the nodes, have to be shown or plotted as they appear in

> the sky under the astronomical rules. Similarly the Ascendant has

to

> be the sign, which is rising at the horizon at the time of birth.

> The accuracy of the Ascendant cannot be compromised.

>

> Even the Lal Kitab follows the Vedic rules for the Janma Kundali.

It

> is only in the Varsh Phal chart that the Rahu and Ketu can be in

the

> adjacent houses and Venus and mercury 7 houses away. In a kundali

> prepared through Palmistry both the Rahu and the Ketu can be in

the

> same house. None of the above is against the principles of vedic

> astrology.

>

> Therefore the argument that if we accept Rahu and ketu together in

> the same house or in adjacent houses, might as well accept an

> incorrect ascendant calculated through an inaccurate Sarini,

doesn't

> hold good.

>

> I agree with you when you say that those who do not have faith on

> the Sarini because it is inaccurate are free to keep away from it,

> or reject it as an obsolete tool.

>

> You have said in no uncertain terms that you would continue to use

> the same Sarini. I appreciate your stand.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

> <rajinderbhatia2002@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Iqbal,

> >

> > Dr. Upadhyay (a.k.a. Bhooshanpriya jee) has presented his

views

> on this topic. Logically and mathematically, there is no doubt

about

> the accuracy of his argument. Vipin jee (a.k.a. Lalkitabee) also

> expressed very similar sentiments to me in a recent private

Email.

> I have got to say this: those who don't like the lagan sarini

> approach, should discard it (trash it, junk it, burn it - whatever

> suits them) and continue on with the rest of their lives. Not

using

> it is not illegal and using it is not immoral. You seem to be

> particularly obsessed about this particular topic. All I have to

say

> is that I have made literally hundreds of horoscopes based on this

> approach and I am more than satisfied with it. In the future also,

I

> will continue to use it when I have a " foreign birth " case. That

is

> my declared and firm policy and belief. People are free to use

> whichever approach suits them. To each his own!!

> >

> > I exactly know why there are perceived discrepancies in the

> lagna sarini - yet I don't need to defend it - all I have to say

is

> that my success rate with this is more than 90%.

> >

> > I will make one statement here and please, all readers, read

it

> logically:

> > Every LalKitab user agrees that Rahu and Ketu can be even one

> house apart and Sun and Venus can be seven houses apart (very

> unscientific and un-Vedic logic. RIGHT?) Then why can't Lagna

Sarini

> be based on seemingly strange principles? After all, the same Pt

Rup

> Chand jee developed this lagna sarini who gave us such an un-vedic

> and un-scientific

> > un-refined, crude and strange logic of Rahu-Ketu as (possibly)

> being in the same house. He spent years of hard work to formulate

> and tweak the sarini. Why are we using double standards here?

> Discard the blessed LalKitab too as unscientific and throw it

away.

> Where is the scientific reason for accepting that silly principle

of

> Rahu - Ketu, and Sun, Venus, Mercury however many houses apart?

Why

> not forget about the whole entire LalKitab as un-scientific and un-

> refined mumbo jumbo?

> >

> > Seriously, there are times when a horoscope doesn't " reveal "

> itself. Those kinds of exceptions are always there; I run into

this

> situation every once in a while whether it is an " India born " or

> a " foreign born " case. I know that you haven't had full

satisfaction

> either with LalKitab approach, or with LK Lagna Sarini approach

or

> (perhaps) with Vedic approach. I am morally obligated not to

> discuss your horoscope or situation here in a public forum. I

> expected the same from you. The reason I did not forward your

> previous Email is because you wrote things in that Email which

were

> discussed strictly between you and I and I feel that it was a

> private matter between two gentlemen which should have had no

place

> in a public forum. Other readers, please note that there is/was no

> conflict or misunderstanding between myself and Iqbal. Don't you

> agree with me on this, Iqbal?

> >

> > Please refrain from using words like " zamant "

and " ...collusion

> taking place for commercial purposes... " etc. Please don't get

too

> emotional and too charged up about it and take it easy. It was I

who

> told you that the Lagna sarini approach didn't work for you, and

> that it is useless as far as you are concerned. But it does work

for

> many folks. Kindly move on with your life.

> >

> > Let me end my Email with a light-hearted dig - How

> much " zamanat " are you willing to pay?As everyone knows now,

thanks

> to a well-wisher or two, I can be bought, if the price is right.

> >

> > My best wishes to you.

> >

> > Rajinder Bhatia

> >

> > ebug@ wrote:

> > This is great Bhooshan Ji- Even from a vedic approach this

> method has been proven fallible. I appreciate the effort with

which

> you have shown your logical and umemotional methodology.

> >

> > Why are so many senior members of the forum mum on this topic?

> Some of you have claimed you have even used this approach ... Come

> forward and share your successes with it ...

> >

> > I have submitted 3 postings in both forums all of which have not

> been posted because of the censorship on truth and

> straightforwardness that apparently the Forum moderators are

married

> to.

> >

> >

> > Punit Ji, Shukla Ji - Why are you feeling threatened by the

truth

> and not posting my messages as they were in accordance with all

> forum rules which you have published and cited?

> >

> > Is there a collusion taking place for commercial purposes? If

not -

> then publish my posts or explain why they have been " held " and I

> will provide the Zamanat to release them ...

> >

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Iqbal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with

> FareChase.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajinder Bhatia,

 

If the late Pandit Roop Chand Joshi was so sure about the idea that

the Ascendants of all foreign people should should be calculated as if

their birthplace was somewhere in India, why didn't he write anything

about this in Lal Kitab?

 

Assuming for a moment this theory to be right, then surely, such a

fundamentally unortodox procedure would have been relevant to mention

in at least one of the five Lal Kitab books?

 

I mean, imagine if this was merely some weird idea which Pt. Roop

Chand Joshi was playing with as an experiment for a short period or

when he was too old and nothing more than that. What if this is

something that he would never promote in public, simply because he was

not sure of it?

 

After all, from his writings Pt. Roop Chand Joshi doesn't strike me to

be any expert in western life-style and culture. Who knows, perhaps he

realized that, and kept these weird ideas for himself.

 

I think it is doubtful that Pt. Roop Chand Joshi would ever display

such an arrogance towards western culture, western people and towards

all other astrological traditions? From his books he seems like a good

and humble man.

 

I think it is important to respect the textbooks and the great

astrologers of the past like Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. No doubt we are

standing on their shoulders. However we should not become too

religious about following their ideas to the very minute in our

fanaticism. Then we would loose our own powers of discrimination and

get lost in the woods of astrological knowledge. So respect is a good

thing, but too much respect is not very useful.

 

Surely we astrologers should always keep a critical mind, good

judgement and be honest in our research, at least towards ourselves.

 

Yours friendly,

Finn Wandahl

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Iqbal,

>

> Dr. Upadhyay (a.k.a. Bhooshanpriya jee) has presented his views on

this topic. Logically and mathematically, there is no doubt about the

accuracy of his argument. Vipin jee (a.k.a. Lalkitabee) also expressed

very similar sentiments to me in a recent private Email. I have got

to say this: those who don't like the lagan sarini approach, should

discard it (trash it, junk it, burn it - whatever suits them) and

continue on with the rest of their lives. Not using it is not illegal

and using it is not immoral. You seem to be particularly obsessed

about this particular topic. All I have to say is that I have made

literally hundreds of horoscopes based on this approach and I am more

than satisfied with it. In the future also, I will continue to use it

when I have a " foreign birth " case. That is my declared and firm

policy and belief. People are free to use whichever approach suits

them. To each his own!!

>

> I exactly know why there are perceived discrepancies in the lagna

sarini - yet I don't need to defend it - all I have to say is that my

success rate with this is more than 90%.

>

> I will make one statement here and please, all readers, read it

logically:

> Every LalKitab user agrees that Rahu and Ketu can be even one

house apart and Sun and Venus can be seven houses apart (very

unscientific and un-Vedic logic. RIGHT?) Then why can't Lagna Sarini

be based on seemingly strange principles? After all, the same Pt Rup

Chand jee developed this lagna sarini who gave us such an un-vedic and

un-scientific

> un-refined, crude and strange logic of Rahu-Ketu as (possibly)

being in the same house. He spent years of hard work to formulate and

tweak the sarini. Why are we using double standards here? Discard the

blessed LalKitab too as unscientific and throw it away. Where is the

scientific reason for accepting that silly principle of Rahu - Ketu,

and Sun, Venus, Mercury however many houses apart? Why not forget

about the whole entire LalKitab as un-scientific and un-refined mumbo

jumbo?

>

> Seriously, there are times when a horoscope doesn't " reveal "

itself. Those kinds of exceptions are always there; I run into this

situation every once in a while whether it is an " India born " or a

" foreign born " case. I know that you haven't had full satisfaction

either with LalKitab approach, or with LK Lagna Sarini approach or

(perhaps) with Vedic approach. I am morally obligated not to discuss

your horoscope or situation here in a public forum. I expected the

same from you. The reason I did not forward your previous Email is

because you wrote things in that Email which were discussed strictly

between you and I and I feel that it was a private matter between two

gentlemen which should have had no place in a public forum. Other

readers, please note that there is/was no conflict or misunderstanding

between myself and Iqbal. Don't you agree with me on this, Iqbal?

>

> Please refrain from using words like " zamant " and " ...collusion

taking place for commercial purposes... " etc. Please don't get too

emotional and too charged up about it and take it easy. It was I who

told you that the Lagna sarini approach didn't work for you, and that

it is useless as far as you are concerned. But it does work for many

folks. Kindly move on with your life.

>

> Let me end my Email with a light-hearted dig - How much " zamanat "

are you willing to pay?As everyone knows now, thanks to a well-wisher

or two, I can be bought, if the price is right.

>

> My best wishes to you.

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> ebug wrote:

> This is great Bhooshan Ji- Even from a vedic approach this method

has been proven fallible. I appreciate the effort with which you have

shown your logical and umemotional methodology.

>

> Why are so many senior members of the forum mum on this topic? Some

of you have claimed you have even used this approach ... Come forward

and share your successes with it ...

>

> I have submitted 3 postings in both forums all of which have not

been posted because of the censorship on truth and straightforwardness

that apparently the Forum moderators are married to.

>

>

> Punit Ji, Shukla Ji - Why are you feeling threatened by the truth

and not posting my messages as they were in accordance with all forum

rules which you have published and cited?

>

> Is there a collusion taking place for commercial purposes? If not -

then publish my posts or explain why they have been " held " and I will

provide the Zamanat to release them ...

>

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal

>

>

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