Horo Review/ TO Jyoti Marwaha....Bhatia Ji about KALSARP YOGA (A view only)

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Respected Bhatia Ji

Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any description

with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say lalkitab does

not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share some

own views in this perview.

Bhatia Ji lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated as

snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says about

rahu ketu--

1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA KHUD

UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head & Ketu as

tail)

2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shani

khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT KA

ANDHAA SAANP.

So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in

lalkitab.

Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp -

snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all

planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated as

kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Parashar Jyotish.

At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions &

definations as below

1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO

ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa is

AJGAR SNAKE)

SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO

(Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

 

 

2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONE

WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN GINAA

JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM KETU HOGI

(PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

 

 

3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab. As

well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR BAITHAA

HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN (LEFT) RAHU

KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA.

(after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effects

of SAANP (Shani)

4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below

HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL (shape)

BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN BHI YAANI

JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO , US GHAR PAR

SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a snake).Even this

line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other context also saturn

treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as tail. As said above

:--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO.

It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head &

tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including all

planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appears

that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake

(Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does not

used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planets

gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake

Yog,created in horoscope.

 

Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ek

aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh bolnaa

sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se

naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka sir

aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered lalkitab.

But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned members &

there views.

With Regards

Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Jyoti Jee,

> This being a LalKitab based forum, we don't consider KalSarpa yoga.

However, there is absolutely NO kalsarpa yoga in your son's horoscope

(if your son is born on August 9, 1995 - I had to sort of guess because

" 09-08-1995 " can be interpreted differently in different countries.)

>

> Right now, your son is too young to be performing upayas. Your husband

should do the following:

> 1. Donate eight kgs of whole urad (maanh sabut) to a Gurudwara

(because they can utilize that for langar.) This must be done during

daytime hours on any day of your choice. He must do this every year

around his birthday. If nothing else, at least this must be done by him

EVERY year - this is my sincere advice.

> 2. He and your son should NOT wear any cloth which has red and green

stripes in it.

> 3. Is any elder person in the house having difficulty walking (broken

bones or deformed bones or legs or knees)? Also, is/was a grandfather or

a great-grandfather(from either side) of your son a very highly placed

person - very rich or very powerful leader or kingly-like? It doesn't

seem to be so but I still want to confirm it.

> 4. You may want to flow five dried coconuts into (somewhat) clean

running water (not in Jamuna unless rainy season brings fresh water.)

> Don't worry, your son will do well eventually. I don't give

predictions (most of us in this forum don't) as there is no use in doing

that. But we do suggest ways to ward off possible evils.

>

> I wish you well.

>

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

>

> Jyoti marwaha dotcomcreaters wrote:

> Respected Sir,

> What sarma ji said " taken date as 8/9/-08-1983 " what this date is, sir

can U explain me in simple words what U found in Yuvraj's horo.Is there

major problem in his horo.

>

> My Details are: 26-11-1972

> Time : 2:30 pm

> Place:Jalandhar

>

> and his father's details are:

> Balraj Singh

> Dob: 03-10-1970

> Time: 7:15 AM

> Place:Delhi

>

>

>

> Regds

> Jyoti

>

>

> kulbirbains kulbirbains wrote:

> sarma ji lal kitab mentions in clear words. upaya has to be done by

> the native, only if uncapable then it has to be preformed by a blood

> relative so HOW R U SAYING UR PRESENCE NOT NEEDED. tell me frankly

> kya aapne kabhi lalkitab padhi bhi hai.

> kulbir bains

> lalkitab , " sarma24_madiraju "

> sarma24_madiraju@ wrote:

> >

> > lalkitab , Jyoti marwaha <dotcomcreaters@>

> > wrote:

> > >see

> > taken date as 8/9/-08-1983

> > born on tues day

> > aslesha-3

> > needs no fear or egony. he will improve

> > he is under shodows of sadesati

> > 2nd & 5th places r not encouraging at presnt.

> > having Kalasarpa yoga influence

> > think it over

> > whether u can do ( ur presence not needed)

> > Or

> > get it done

> > sarpa sukta

> > maanasa rasmulu

> > sulini durga (For vidya aarogya)

> > slowely in 6months positive results may come . details of star--

> > father / mother -stars - & names r neded.

> > consult qualified persons

> > or contact

> > good wishes.

> > sarma

> > p.s.

> > pl note that ur i.d is not correct,

> > it bounced.

> > twice.

> >

> > T

> >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > I am new to this fourm and sending my problems with Birth

> > details, kindly help us after reviewing our horo's

> > >

> > > Firstly following is the Birth detail of my son

> > >

> > > Date of Birth is : 9-08-1995

> > > Place of Birth is :Jalandhar-Punjab

> > > Time of Birth :2:55 Am

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Inspite of all remedies he is doing for his studies, he is not

> > going well with his studies.Why all the remedies not working. Pls

> > Sir, kindly review his horo.

> > >

> > > At present he is doing

> > >

> > > 4 bananas to mandir on every thursday

> > > Wednesday " Moongi ki Dal " to sparrows

> > > TUesday " Parsad to Hnuman "

> > >

> > > He has worrn a silver Kada have two copper nails & also moon

> in

> > the yellow thread.

> > >

> > > Someone told me to wash his under Garments inRIver water

> adding

> > a pinch of haldi into it & also always keep a silver Goli in his

> > pocket but these remedies we have not started till now,

> > >

> > > Kindly suggest why all remedies are not working for his studies

> > >

> > > Regarding me: I have so many health problems and business

> > problems too

> > > Ek problem thik hoti hai dusree shurru ho jati hai, this is

> > happenning after the birth of Yuvraj.

> > >

> > > My details are:

> > >

> > > DOB: 26-11-1972

> > > Place: Jalandhar

> > > Time :2:30 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > My husband's details are

> > > DOB: 03-10-1970

> > > Place: Delhi

> > > Time : 7:15 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Jyoti

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to

> > download CHAT? Here's a solution!

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shukla Jee,

From you, I would not expect anything less than what you have written.

Excellent writeup with good explanation! Thanks.

There is no disagreement over Rahu, Ketu, as being Head and tail of the snake

(Saturn) and that their placement determines Saturn's nature.

My argument is about the " Kalsarpadosa " in the sense of traditional

astrologers have taken it up. In traditional astrology, the Kalsarpa is said to

be present when ALL the planets are enclosed within Rahu and Ketu. It is also

said in traditional astrology that even if a single planet is outside this axis,

the hold of the kalasarpa dosh is virtually eliminated. However, there are

others (professional astrologers) that have started considering various

combinations and permutations of this " Kalsarpa. " Many of them are playing on

the fear factor, thus introduced, and having a field-day recommending all kinds

of Poojas and Jaaps and elaborate rituals. LalKitab was introduced to eliminate

such misinformation. In the horoscope I quoted (Mrs. Jyoti Marwaha's family

case) there is NO Kalsarpa yoga per the Vedic astrology definition. That is what

I wrote about.

What you wrote makes 100% sense. This is where LalKitab practioner can offer

the public a better analysis, an easier and well defined set of remedial

measures which may handle the effects of Rahu, Ketu and Saturn nexus and, most

importantly diffuse the fear factor.

 

A key to this riddle (Rahu Ketu nexus) is also present in the combined chapter

of Rahu+Ketu in LalKitab. My purpose was to eliminate any fear factor instilled

in the mind of the lady who was trying to get her problems worked out.

 

I would beg to differ on the implication that every horoscope has Kalsarpa. We

have to be careful about such generalization otherwise we would sound much like

a two Rupee street astrologer.

 

Best wishes and best regards and please continue the good work.

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

 

 

lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

 

Respected Bhatia Ji

Your keen observations r absolutly right that Nowhere any description

with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can say lalkitab does

not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share some

own views in this perview.

Bhatia Ji lalkitab accepts Rahu as the

head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated as

snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says about

rahu ketu--

1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA KHUD

UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head & Ketu as

tail)

2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shani

khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT KA

ANDHAA SAANP.

So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in

lalkitab.

Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp -

snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all

planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated as

kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Parashar Jyotish.

At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions &

definations as below

1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO

ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa is

AJGAR SNAKE)

SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO

(Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952)

 

2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONE

WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN GINAA

JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM KETU HOGI

(PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT)

 

3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab. As

well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR BAITHAA

HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN (LEFT) RAHU

KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA.

(after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effects

of SAANP (Shani)

4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below

HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA

RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL (shape)

BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN BHI YAANI

JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO , US GHAR PAR

SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a snake).Even this

line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other context also saturn

treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as tail. As said above

:--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO.

It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope.

Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head &

tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including all

planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appears

that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake

(Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does not

used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planets

gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake

Yog,created in horoscope.

 

Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi

grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ek

aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh bolnaa

sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se

naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka sir

aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.

All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered lalkitab.

But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned members &

there views.

With Regards

Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Jyoti Jee,

> This being a LalKitab based forum, we don't consider KalSarpa yoga.

However, there is absolutely NO kalsarpa yoga in your son's horoscope

(if your son is born on August 9, 1995 - I had to sort of guess because

" 09-08-1995 " can be interpreted differently in different countries.)

>

> Right now, your son is too young to be performing upayas. Your husband

should do the following:

> 1. Donate eight kgs of whole urad (maanh sabut) to a Gurudwara

(because they can utilize that for langar.) This must be done during

daytime hours on any day of your choice. He must do this every year

around his birthday. If nothing else, at least this must be done by him

EVERY year - this is my sincere advice.

> 2. He and your son should NOT wear any cloth which has red and green

stripes in it.

> 3. Is any elder person in the house having difficulty walking (broken

bones or deformed bones or legs or knees)? Also, is/was a grandfather or

a great-grandfather(from either side) of your son a very highly placed

person - very rich or very powerful leader or kingly-like? It doesn't

seem to be so but I still want to confirm it.

> 4. You may want to flow five dried coconuts into (somewhat) clean

running water (not in Jamuna unless rainy season brings fresh water.)

> Don't worry, your son will do well eventually. I don't give

predictions (most of us in this forum don't) as there is no use in doing

that. But we do suggest ways to ward off possible evils.

>

> I wish you well.

>

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

>

> Jyoti marwaha dotcomcreaters wrote:

> Respected Sir,

> What sarma ji said " taken date as 8/9/-08-1983 " what this date is, sir

can U explain me in simple words what U found in Yuvraj's horo.Is there

major problem in his horo.

>

> My Details are: 26-11-1972

> Time : 2:30 pm

> Place:Jalandhar

>

> and his father's details are:

> Balraj Singh

> Dob: 03-10-1970

> Time: 7:15 AM

> Place:Delhi

>

>

>

> Regds

> Jyoti

>

>

> kulbirbains kulbirbains wrote:

> sarma ji lal kitab mentions in clear words. upaya has to be done by

> the native, only if uncapable then it has to be preformed by a blood

> relative so HOW R U SAYING UR PRESENCE NOT NEEDED. tell me frankly

> kya aapne kabhi lalkitab padhi bhi hai.

> kulbir bains

> lalkitab , " sarma24_madiraju "

> sarma24_madiraju@ wrote:

> >

> > lalkitab , Jyoti marwaha <dotcomcreaters@>

> > wrote:

> > >see

> > taken date as 8/9/-08-1983

> > born on tues day

> > aslesha-3

> > needs no fear or egony. he will improve

> > he is under shodows of sadesati

> > 2nd & 5th places r not encouraging at presnt.

> > having Kalasarpa yoga influence

> > think it over

> > whether u can do ( ur presence not needed)

> > Or

> > get it done

> > sarpa sukta

> > maanasa rasmulu

> > sulini durga (For vidya aarogya)

> > slowely in 6months positive results may come . details of star--

> > father / mother -stars - & names r neded.

> > consult qualified persons

> > or contact

> > good wishes.

> > sarma

> > p.s.

> > pl note that ur i.d is not correct,

> > it bounced.

> > twice.

> >

> > T

> >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > I am new to this fourm and sending my problems with Birth

> > details, kindly help us after reviewing our horo's

> > >

> > > Firstly following is the Birth detail of my son

> > >

> > > Date of Birth is : 9-08-1995

> > > Place of Birth is :Jalandhar-Punjab

> > > Time of Birth :2:55 Am

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Inspite of all remedies he is doing for his studies, he is not

> > going well with his studies.Why all the remedies not working. Pls

> > Sir, kindly review his horo.

> > >

> > > At present he is doing

> > >

> > > 4 bananas to mandir on every thursday

> > > Wednesday " Moongi ki Dal " to sparrows

> > > TUesday " Parsad to Hnuman "

> > >

> > > He has worrn a silver Kada have two copper nails & also moon

> in

> > the yellow thread.

> > >

> > > Someone told me to wash his under Garments inRIver water

> adding

> > a pinch of haldi into it & also always keep a silver Goli in his

> > pocket but these remedies we have not started till now,

> > >

> > > Kindly suggest why all remedies are not working for his studies

> > >

> > > Regarding me: I have so many health problems and business

> > problems too

> > > Ek problem thik hoti hai dusree shurru ho jati hai, this is

> > happenning after the birth of Yuvraj.

> > >

> > > My details are:

> > >

> > > DOB: 26-11-1972

> > > Place: Jalandhar

> > > Time :2:30 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > My husband's details are

> > > DOB: 03-10-1970

> > > Place: Delhi

> > > Time : 7:15 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Jyoti

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to

> > download CHAT? Here's a solution!

> > >

> > >