Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Kishore, Why is this combination such a deadly effect? I have a chart, Jan 17, 2006, 5:58PM, Irving, TX. Can you elaborate on your analysis, why it would happen? Who would do it?, When would it happen? What has this young baby done to go through such thing? Plus, how to avoid and give her the mental strength to never go through. Another Question??? Why did you do black magic on others? Knowing that it would come and hit you some day??? And I hope you will not do any on the given chart.Please clarify??ThanksAnand On 4/30/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: dear all, I expected a lively discussion in these forums about the point I have raised. But I did not get many informative replies except to narrate the incidents of black art, which does not take us very far. I am presenting one combination that comes to my mind: LL in Leo and 8L in cancer can cause death due to black art I request the group once more to present their views on this subject because this is one area where we can really help people in a tremendous way. Hope I can count on this august group in my noble intentions, regards to all, Kishore patnaik On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik < kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik -- ThanksAnand Srivatsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Dear Kishore, So my opinion on the yoga appears to be right, after all. Thank you for telling this. Take care, Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Fantastic sir, I was anticipating this question but I was thrilled that it has come from you. Even my first thought was the same. In fact, I have calculated the planetary combinations for all the 12 lagnas. Now, coming back to Leo lagna, I have not seen any chart to prove the dictum but I have seen a chart of Leo lagna that has proved the contrary. The chart had a strong sun in the lagna, with Venus and Jupiter in their debilitations and Mars in exaltation. The native has come to study astrology and I have advised him to concentrate on mantra sastra more than on astrology. Towards this, the native has narrated a story of his college days: He had a very bad fight with a keralite who threated the native with dire consequences. The keralite comes from a family of malayalee tantriks and after he went home, he tried black art on the native. But after several trails, his father has told him that it is not possible to use black art on this person and discontinued the effort since it may boomerang on the tantrik himself. The keralite had come back to apologize. This incident must have happened about 15-18 years back. regards, Kishore patnaik On 4/30/07, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, I think that is too simplistic if you will excuse my use of the term. I want to make it clear that I do not mean any offense and neither do I question whether the yoga is right or wrong, lest my intentions are misinterpreted. I mean a lot would depend on the lagna rising and owner of a bhava besides their placement in a bhava and mere placement in rasis may not give the yoga,. For example, if the lagna is Leo and Sun occupies it, with Jupiter the 8th lord being in Cancer, would the yoga still operate is something that has to be thought over. If this yoga appears in a text then there must be some additional parameters that perhaps are missing here. I remember a yoga for abhichar where involvement of Ketu, in 6th, is commented upon in one text, if memory serves me right. I think it is Jataka Parijat, but not certain. Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: dear all, I expected a lively discussion in these forums about the point I have raised. But I did not get many informative replies except to narrate the incidents of black art, which does not take us very far. I am presenting one combination that comes to my mind: LL in Leo and 8L in cancer can cause death due to black art I request the group once more to present their views on this subject because this is one area where we can really help people in a tremendous way. Hope I can count on this august group in my noble intentions, regards to all, Kishore patnaik On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik < kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Sir, I said I dont have a chart which shows the yoga to be true but where the converse of the yoga is true.(not contrary) As per Yoga, Jupiter is to be in exaltation to be effected by the black art but in the chart I have presented, the jupiter is exactly opposite, which perhaps made the native immune to the attacks. Of course, there are other combinations that had made him so but this might be one of the possible, if remote, reasons. Hence, if the arguement is true, it supports the yoga in a way. regards, kishore patnaik On 5/1/07, Chandrashekhar < sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Kishore, So my opinion on the yoga appears to be right, after all. Thank you for telling this. Take care, Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Fantastic sir, I was anticipating this question but I was thrilled that it has come from you. Even my first thought was the same. In fact, I have calculated the planetary combinations for all the 12 lagnas. Now, coming back to Leo lagna, I have not seen any chart to prove the dictum but I have seen a chart of Leo lagna that has proved the contrary. The chart had a strong sun in the lagna, with Venus and Jupiter in their debilitations and Mars in exaltation. The native has come to study astrology and I have advised him to concentrate on mantra sastra more than on astrology. Towards this, the native has narrated a story of his college days: He had a very bad fight with a keralite who threated the native with dire consequences. The keralite comes from a family of malayalee tantriks and after he went home, he tried black art on the native. But after several trails, his father has told him that it is not possible to use black art on this person and discontinued the effort since it may boomerang on the tantrik himself. The keralite had come back to apologize. This incident must have happened about 15-18 years back. regards, Kishore patnaik On 4/30/07, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, I think that is too simplistic if you will excuse my use of the term. I want to make it clear that I do not mean any offense and neither do I question whether the yoga is right or wrong, lest my intentions are misinterpreted. I mean a lot would depend on the lagna rising and owner of a bhava besides their placement in a bhava and mere placement in rasis may not give the yoga,. For example, if the lagna is Leo and Sun occupies it, with Jupiter the 8th lord being in Cancer, would the yoga still operate is something that has to be thought over. If this yoga appears in a text then there must be some additional parameters that perhaps are missing here. I remember a yoga for abhichar where involvement of Ketu, in 6th, is commented upon in one text, if memory serves me right. I think it is Jataka Parijat, but not certain. Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: dear all, I expected a lively discussion in these forums about the point I have raised. But I did not get many informative replies except to narrate the incidents of black art, which does not take us very far. I am presenting one combination that comes to my mind: LL in Leo and 8L in cancer can cause death due to black art I request the group once more to present their views on this subject because this is one area where we can really help people in a tremendous way. Hope I can count on this august group in my noble intentions, regards to all, Kishore patnaik On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik < kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Kishore, I do not think in your original post on the yoga anything about the 8th lord having to be in exaltation or having to be Jupiter was mentioned. It was me who gave the example of Leo lagna rising where Jupiter being the 8th lord if it occupies Cancer will become exalted. In the case you mentioned the 8th lord was not in Cancer, it was in Capricorn. That person was anyway not covered under the yoga is that not so? Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Sir, I said I dont have a chart which shows the yoga to be true but where the converse of the yoga is true.(not contrary) As per Yoga, Jupiter is to be in exaltation to be effected by the black art but in the chart I have presented, the jupiter is exactly opposite, which perhaps made the native immune to the attacks. Of course, there are other combinations that had made him so but this might be one of the possible, if remote, reasons. Hence, if the arguement is true, it supports the yoga in a way. regards, kishore patnaik On 5/1/07, Chandrashekhar < sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, So my opinion on the yoga appears to be right, after all. Thank you for telling this. Take care, Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Fantastic sir, I was anticipating this question but I was thrilled that it has come from you. Even my first thought was the same. In fact, I have calculated the planetary combinations for all the 12 lagnas. Now, coming back to Leo lagna, I have not seen any chart to prove the dictum but I have seen a chart of Leo lagna that has proved the contrary. The chart had a strong sun in the lagna, with Venus and Jupiter in their debilitations and Mars in exaltation. The native has come to study astrology and I have advised him to concentrate on mantra sastra more than on astrology. Towards this, the native has narrated a story of his college days: He had a very bad fight with a keralite who threated the native with dire consequences. The keralite comes from a family of malayalee tantriks and after he went home, he tried black art on the native. But after several trails, his father has told him that it is not possible to use black art on this person and discontinued the effort since it may boomerang on the tantrik himself. The keralite had come back to apologize. This incident must have happened about 15-18 years back. regards, Kishore patnaik On 4/30/07, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, I think that is too simplistic if you will excuse my use of the term. I want to make it clear that I do not mean any offense and neither do I question whether the yoga is right or wrong, lest my intentions are misinterpreted. I mean a lot would depend on the lagna rising and owner of a bhava besides their placement in a bhava and mere placement in rasis may not give the yoga,. For example, if the lagna is Leo and Sun occupies it, with Jupiter the 8th lord being in Cancer, would the yoga still operate is something that has to be thought over. If this yoga appears in a text then there must be some additional parameters that perhaps are missing here. I remember a yoga for abhichar where involvement of Ketu, in 6th, is commented upon in one text, if memory serves me right. I think it is Jataka Parijat, but not certain. Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: dear all, I expected a lively discussion in these forums about the point I have raised. But I did not get many informative replies except to narrate the incidents of black art, which does not take us very far. I am presenting one combination that comes to my mind: LL in Leo and 8L in cancer can cause death due to black art I request the group once more to present their views on this subject because this is one area where we can really help people in a tremendous way. Hope I can count on this august group in my noble intentions, regards to all, Kishore patnaik On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik < kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Friend, as you say that you are using black art you have any other information how to avoid this such things or how to get positive signal. i know you want the same info. if you have any other little info please forward the same to me. thanks sampat Send a FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger. Get it now at http://in.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 sir, i better clarifya) The yoga says a person will suffer through black art if 8th Lord is in cancer with LL in Leob) The eg taken by you ( which was also the first thing that came to my mind) is for the lagna of Leo where Jupiter is in exaltation with Leo occupied by Sun Basically the question is how can a person be afflicted if his chart is so seemingly strong? c) I am not inclined to discuss this because I don't have charts to go either for or against the yoga. It is something I have read somewhere and it appears interesting and worth further probling but I dont have the requisite charts d) However, I note that something like a converse combination is true- instead of 8th lord being in Cancer, if he is exactly opposite, the person may be become defensible against black art. The last sentence is just my thot and in fact, there are combinations which are more logical to make the chart defensible. Hope I am clear, Kishore patnaik On 5/2/07, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, I do not think in your original post on the yoga anything about the 8th lord having to be in exaltation or having to be Jupiter was mentioned. It was me who gave the example of Leo lagna rising where Jupiter being the 8th lord if it occupies Cancer will become exalted. In the case you mentioned the 8th lord was not in Cancer, it was in Capricorn. That person was anyway not covered under the yoga is that not so? Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Sir, I said I dont have a chart which shows the yoga to be true but where the converse of the yoga is true.(not contrary) As per Yoga, Jupiter is to be in exaltation to be effected by the black art but in the chart I have presented, the jupiter is exactly opposite, which perhaps made the native immune to the attacks. Of course, there are other combinations that had made him so but this might be one of the possible, if remote, reasons. Hence, if the arguement is true, it supports the yoga in a way. regards, kishore patnaik On 5/1/07, Chandrashekhar < sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Kishore, So my opinion on the yoga appears to be right, after all. Thank you for telling this. Take care, Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Fantastic sir, I was anticipating this question but I was thrilled that it has come from you. Even my first thought was the same. In fact, I have calculated the planetary combinations for all the 12 lagnas. Now, coming back to Leo lagna, I have not seen any chart to prove the dictum but I have seen a chart of Leo lagna that has proved the contrary. The chart had a strong sun in the lagna, with Venus and Jupiter in their debilitations and Mars in exaltation. The native has come to study astrology and I have advised him to concentrate on mantra sastra more than on astrology. Towards this, the native has narrated a story of his college days: He had a very bad fight with a keralite who threated the native with dire consequences. The keralite comes from a family of malayalee tantriks and after he went home, he tried black art on the native. But after several trails, his father has told him that it is not possible to use black art on this person and discontinued the effort since it may boomerang on the tantrik himself. The keralite had come back to apologize. This incident must have happened about 15-18 years back. regards, Kishore patnaik On 4/30/07, Chandrashekhar < sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, I think that is too simplistic if you will excuse my use of the term. I want to make it clear that I do not mean any offense and neither do I question whether the yoga is right or wrong, lest my intentions are misinterpreted. I mean a lot would depend on the lagna rising and owner of a bhava besides their placement in a bhava and mere placement in rasis may not give the yoga,. For example, if the lagna is Leo and Sun occupies it, with Jupiter the 8th lord being in Cancer, would the yoga still operate is something that has to be thought over. If this yoga appears in a text then there must be some additional parameters that perhaps are missing here. I remember a yoga for abhichar where involvement of Ketu, in 6th, is commented upon in one text, if memory serves me right. I think it is Jataka Parijat, but not certain. Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: dear all, I expected a lively discussion in these forums about the point I have raised. But I did not get many informative replies except to narrate the incidents of black art, which does not take us very far. I am presenting one combination that comes to my mind: LL in Leo and 8L in cancer can cause death due to black art I request the group once more to present their views on this subject because this is one area where we can really help people in a tremendous way. Hope I can count on this august group in my noble intentions, regards to all, Kishore patnaik On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik < kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Dear Kishore, I understand, what you meant by your post. The reason that happens for Leo ascendant, if you are referring to 8th lord for Leo ascendant occupying the 6th bhava, is that a debilitated guru will occupy the 6th bhava causing VRY and being 8th lord would harm the enemies indicated by the 6th bhava. That, I think, is in line with the basic principles of astrology, and may not have anything t do with cancellation of Abhichara. I would appreciate your views on above. Take care, Chandrashekhar kishore patnaik wrote: sir, i better clarify a) The yoga says a person will suffer through black art if 8th Lord is in cancer with LL in Leo b) The eg taken by you ( which was also the first thing that came to my mind) is for the lagna of Leo where Jupiter is in exaltation with Leo occupied by Sun Basically the question is how can a person be afflicted if his chart is so seemingly strong? c) I am not inclined to discuss this because I don't have charts to go either for or against the yoga. It is something I have read somewhere and it appears interesting and worth further probling but I dont have the requisite charts d) However, I note that something like a converse combination is true- instead of 8th lord being in Cancer, if he is exactly opposite, the person may be become defensible against black art. The last sentence is just my thot and in fact, there are combinations which are more logical to make the chart defensible. Hope I am clear, Kishore patnaik On 5/2/07, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, I do not think in your original post on the yoga anything about the 8th lord having to be in exaltation or having to be Jupiter was mentioned. It was me who gave the example of Leo lagna rising where Jupiter being the 8th lord if it occupies Cancer will become exalted. In the case you mentioned the 8th lord was not in Cancer, it was in Capricorn. That person was anyway not covered under the yoga is that not so? Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Sir, I said I dont have a chart which shows the yoga to be true but where the converse of the yoga is true.(not contrary) As per Yoga, Jupiter is to be in exaltation to be effected by the black art but in the chart I have presented, the jupiter is exactly opposite, which perhaps made the native immune to the attacks. Of course, there are other combinations that had made him so but this might be one of the possible, if remote, reasons. Hence, if the arguement is true, it supports the yoga in a way. regards, kishore patnaik On 5/1/07, Chandrashekhar < sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, So my opinion on the yoga appears to be right, after all. Thank you for telling this. Take care, Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: Fantastic sir, I was anticipating this question but I was thrilled that it has come from you. Even my first thought was the same. In fact, I have calculated the planetary combinations for all the 12 lagnas. Now, coming back to Leo lagna, I have not seen any chart to prove the dictum but I have seen a chart of Leo lagna that has proved the contrary. The chart had a strong sun in the lagna, with Venus and Jupiter in their debilitations and Mars in exaltation. The native has come to study astrology and I have advised him to concentrate on mantra sastra more than on astrology. Towards this, the native has narrated a story of his college days: He had a very bad fight with a keralite who threated the native with dire consequences. The keralite comes from a family of malayalee tantriks and after he went home, he tried black art on the native. But after several trails, his father has told him that it is not possible to use black art on this person and discontinued the effort since it may boomerang on the tantrik himself. The keralite had come back to apologize. This incident must have happened about 15-18 years back. regards, Kishore patnaik On 4/30/07, Chandrashekhar < sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Kishore, I think that is too simplistic if you will excuse my use of the term. I want to make it clear that I do not mean any offense and neither do I question whether the yoga is right or wrong, lest my intentions are misinterpreted. I mean a lot would depend on the lagna rising and owner of a bhava besides their placement in a bhava and mere placement in rasis may not give the yoga,. For example, if the lagna is Leo and Sun occupies it, with Jupiter the 8th lord being in Cancer, would the yoga still operate is something that has to be thought over. If this yoga appears in a text then there must be some additional parameters that perhaps are missing here. I remember a yoga for abhichar where involvement of Ketu, in 6th, is commented upon in one text, if memory serves me right. I think it is Jataka Parijat, but not certain. Chandrashekhar. kishore patnaik wrote: dear all, I expected a lively discussion in these forums about the point I have raised. But I did not get many informative replies except to narrate the incidents of black art, which does not take us very far. I am presenting one combination that comes to my mind: LL in Leo and 8L in cancer can cause death due to black art I request the group once more to present their views on this subject because this is one area where we can really help people in a tremendous way. Hope I can count on this august group in my noble intentions, regards to all, Kishore patnaik On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik < kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: Dear all, The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but i am writing what i have seen or heard. 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful raja yogas or other lucky combinations 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely vulnerable to black magic 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black magic Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken as black magic. Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to the evil vibrations they produce 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found weakest 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say anything bad, it will come to pass So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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