Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

April 21, 2007

Hi my dob is 20-06-1982, time of birth 8.26am, location: uk, london

I understand that for foreign borns lal kitab uses a different method

to calculate the lagna chart. can anyone help me in understanding how

this method is used? for example, in my chart - can anyone tell me

which positions the planets will sit in? thanks

May 3, 2007

The correct way is to use the chart based on where you were born. There is no

need to change planets based on India time etc -

The planets positions at your respective place of birth is the correct approach

to use - Numerous charts of foreign-borns who had their times translated to

India time simply didn't hold up when changed in terms of both natal and

varshphal implications. This is a common fallacy by some LK practitioners.

Best Regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canada

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" mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma

Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:30:01

To:lalkitab

[lalkitab] Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

Hi my dob is 20-06-1982, time of birth 8.26am, location: uk, london

I understand that for foreign borns lal kitab uses a different method

to calculate the lagna chart. can anyone help me in understanding how

this method is used? for example, in my chart - can anyone tell me

which positions the planets will sit in? thanks

May 3, 2007

Dear friend, you mean the kundali will be diffrent then in indian style,pls let

me know i am curious on my kundali cause i am foreign birth ok

" punjabilovebug " <punjabilovebug

lalkitab

Thursday, May 3, 2007 8:52:16 AM

Re: [lalkitab] Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

The correct way is to use the chart based on where you were born. There is no

need to change planets based on India time etc -

The planets positions at your respective place of birth is the correct approach

to use - Numerous charts of foreign-borns who had their times translated to

India time simply didn't hold up when changed in terms of both natal and

varshphal implications. This is a common fallacy by some LK practitioners.

Best Regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canada

Sent via Blackberry

" mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma

Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:30:01

To:lalkitab

[lalkitab] Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

Hi my dob is 20-06-1982, time of birth 8.26am, location: uk, london

I understand that for foreign borns lal kitab uses a different method

to calculate the lagna chart. can anyone help me in understanding how

this method is used? for example, in my chart - can anyone tell me

which positions the planets will sit in? thanks

May 4, 2007

The placement of planets in your chart is based on your place of birth. Some

astrologers wrongly convert the time of birth abroad to India time to craft a

new chart. This is wrong and unfounded.

Rather when you construct the chart you should use the time and place of your

foreign location (place of birth) and use the planet placements at that location

in your chart as they are the planets in force at the time of your birth not

ones half way around the world.

Best Regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canada

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rashmi patel <rashmihpatel

Thu, 3 May 2007 14:56:29

To:lalkitab

Cc:punjabilovebug

Re: [lalkitab] Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

Dear friend, you mean the kundali will be diffrent then in indian style,pls let

me know i am curious on my kundali cause i am foreign birth ok

" punjabilovebug " <punjabilovebug

lalkitab

Thursday, May 3, 2007 8:52:16 AM

Re: [lalkitab] Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

The correct way is to use the chart based on where you were born. There is no

need to change planets based on India time etc -

The planets positions at your respective place of birth is the correct approach

to use - Numerous charts of foreign-borns who had their times translated to

India time simply didn't hold up when changed in terms of both natal and

varshphal implications. This is a common fallacy by some LK practitioners.

Best Regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canada

Sent via Blackberry

" mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma

Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:30:01

To:lalkitab

[lalkitab] Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

Hi my dob is 20-06-1982, time of birth 8.26am, location: uk, london

I understand that for foreign borns lal kitab uses a different method

to calculate the lagna chart. can anyone help me in understanding how

this method is used? for example, in my chart - can anyone tell me

which positions the planets will sit in? thanks

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May 4, 2007

If you go to the Files section in the for LalKitab, you will find a

write-up(LK_timeabroad) on how to make LalKitab horoscopes for natives born

outside India. I have been using this methodology for over twenty five years

with excellent results. The author and originator of LalKitab, Pt Roop Chand

Jee devised this method which is used strictly for LalKitab analysis only. For

Vedic analysis, one must use the horoscope made with the classical approach.

Rajinder Bhatia

mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma wrote:

Hi my dob is 20-06-1982, time of birth 8.26am, location: uk, london

I understand that for foreign borns lal kitab uses a different method

to calculate the lagna chart. can anyone help me in understanding how

this method is used? for example, in my chart - can anyone tell me

which positions the planets will sit in? thanks

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May 4, 2007

Dear Bhatia Ji,

I must respectfully disagree with your statement. When using your devised

methodology it differs in results from the horoscope cast by Pandit Ji's own son

in Toronto whom I consulted about this very issue.

Moreover, I have tried your approach on dozens of other kundlis and

cross-pollinated the life events during certain years with the ascribed

varshphals based on your approach and they do not align.

In like manner, many of the learned members of this forum have also given

support to the fact that kundlis and varshphals based on those natal charts of

foriegn births should entail the location of the birth itself. The most senior

and revered LK practitioners In this group have also leant their explicit

support in this manner.

When I had earlier prodded Pandit Ji's son about the irregularities he at first

cautioned me that LK's ilm was hindustani and that therefore all such births

needed to follow the desi coordinates. However when I pushed for further

comments on the irregularites in 2003 he told me that it was quite possible that

the foreign location for varshphals could be used and insisted instead on

ensuring the accuracy of the placement of planets per the chart given in LK for

each varshphal year.

I would humbly request the forum moderator to remove the link in the files

section unless the senior members of this forum will come forward and vouch for

this approach and explain the inconsistencies between the example shown and what

Pandit Ji's son himself showed to be the correct varshphal.

This is a serious topic and one which Pandits use to their occupational

advantage as individuals are told that times need to be converted to India in

order for accuracy to be ensured.

The reality is that the stars in place at your location and time of birth are

cardinal. Time changes that are arbitrary (i.e the U.S decision to alter

daylight savings time this year going forward) do not impact and should not

impact your planets where you were born.

Shri Bhatia Ji - I am not doubting whether you have had success in helping

people with foreign births - however the fluctuations between your recommended

approach with Pandit Ji's son and the differing results notwithstanding helped

propel me into researching this issue further. As someone born abroad I can

assure you I gave this issue the most widespread effort I could in looking to

determine the right approach. You may simply be gifted with Pandit Ji's

blessings and therefore your help would impact others with Godspeed. I can only

wish I had such blessings and perhaps will one day. However, on this issue I

must respectfully decline to your recommended approach.

That being said - to my knowledge nowhere in the Lal Kitab is this approach

cited also. Are there specific references you can give for where this approach

is recommended?

Again - I would urge fellow members to remain steadfast in leveraging the

localized details and resulting chart and varshphal in helping others.

Respectfully and with best regards,

Iqbal

Toronto, Canada

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Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002

Thu, 3 May 2007 18:08:41

To:lalkitab

Re: [lalkitab] Lal Kitab Janam Kundali For Foreign Borns

If you go to the Files section in the for LalKitab, you will find a

write-up(LK_timeabroad) on how to make LalKitab horoscopes for natives born

outside India. I have been using this methodology for over twenty five years

with excellent results. The author and originator of LalKitab, Pt Roop Chand Jee

devised this method which is used strictly for LalKitab analysis only. For Vedic

analysis, one must use the horoscope made with the classical approach.

Rajinder Bhatia

mrsorabhsharma <mrsorabhsharma@: <mrsorabhsharma%40> >

wrote:

Hi my dob is 20-06-1982, time of birth 8.26am, location: uk, london

I understand that for foreign borns lal kitab uses a different method

to calculate the lagna chart. can anyone help me in understanding how

this method is used? for example, in my chart - can anyone tell me

which positions the planets will sit in? thanks

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May 5, 2007

Iqbal Jee,

I appreciate your concern regarding this topic. My basis are also in Vedic

astrology and for someone who understands the mathematical and astronomical part

of astrology (Years ago I wrote a FORTRAN program to make horoscopes) it does

seem difficult to agree with the methodolgy for foreign births. However, back in

the late seventies, Pt Roop Chand jee charted my Washington born niece's

horoscope using a hand-written lagna sarini after converting the time to " Madras

time. " The verifications were amazing and the horoscope STILL works (I was able

to make out her probable career, her expected year of marriage and the arrival

of her children etc.) A couple of years later, Pt jee made my daughter's

horoscope using the printed Lagna Sarini. Not only did he explain to me the

methodology (which I have included in the files section of the forum) but also

provided me the newly printed Lagna Sarini booklet that many people who visited

Pt Jee, know about. I made my son's horoscope

based on that and had it verified by Pt jee himself. Here is the trick - at

times, the planets that are just about to transition to a different sign, need

to be adjusted (that is a process of 'kyafa'.) Similarly, Moon needs to be

looked at more carefully and may need adjustment.

What I am trying to emphasise is that:

(i) This methodology is NOT devised by me. But I wanted to share it with

others. Your suggestion of deleting it from the files section however, is

preposterous. It is like saying that because you don't understand a certain

book, it should be removed from the library.

(ii) I am not ignorant of the mathematics of horoscope making. However, I go

by what the great one demonstrated and it has (almost) always worked for me. I

am not a professional astrologer but I do go through more than my fair share of

horoscopes and, I always follow this methodology. I am not compelling anyone to

use this Madras conversion method nor am I condemning anyone for not using it.

(iv) Pandit jee was very much cognizant of the fact that this is a

non-standard method. This is like Rahu and Ketu not necessarily being seven

houses apart from each other and numerous such non-standard unique features of

LalKitab.

Regarding your point that there is no reference to this method in the Lal

Kitabs, please be aware that the knowledge did NOT stop in 1952. Pt jee kept

learning/thinking/experimenting/intuitioning till his last days. In fact, this

Sarini came about in the late seveneties because he was not able to get

satisfactory results from foreign borns' horoscopes using standard horoscopes

and after a great thought, he devised this method. Similarly, there are numerous

new areas that Pt jee explored regarding horoscopes that have no mention in the

published books.

It is one's personal choice - one may take it or leave it. I've shared my

experiences; it works for me and if it doesn't work for you, please ignore it.

Please do remember that there is much more to just making a mathematically

correct horoscope .

Respectfully,