LalKitab - interpretation - REPLY-CORRECTION

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lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

>

> Friends,

>

> Sorry, compressed the two column table (into a single

column) that I had included in my previous Email. Let me reproduce

it so as to avoid confusion:

>

> Planet/s in||||||||May Hit Suddenly

> the House ||||||||this/these houses

> ===============================

> 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3, 7, 11

> 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4

> 3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

> 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10, 6

> 5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7

> 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

> 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1, 5, 9

> 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10

> 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7

> 10>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4,8,12

> 11>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

> 12>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10

>

> Thanks.

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

> Yog Raj Jee,

> That is a very astute observation by you. If I may, I'd like to

add another factor in this reference. There is an " achaank choT "

aspect which also has been helpful in explaining these sudden

occurances. Although the table is given in LalKitab, let me take the

liberty of reproducing it below:

>

> Planet/s in May Hit Suddenly

> the House this/these houses

> ===============================

> 1 3, 7, 11

> 2 4

> 3 1

> 4 10,6

> 5 7

> 6 4

> 7 1, 5, 9

> 8 10

> 9 7

> 10 4,8,12

> 11 1

> 12 10

>

> This is a very interesting pattern. Based on my observations, this

is applicable in annual progressed charts quite effectively. I have

not been able to predict sudden calamity in one's life based on this

yet but I have been able to observe this pattern being effective

while doing what I call a " post-mortem " or, after-the-fact

justification. Till I am sure that I can do so (predict) based on

this technique, with a reasonable degree of accuracy, I won't make

predictions of upcoming calamities. Otherwise a planet in each house

can hit one or more houses. In that case, all the twelve months

become dangerous. Let us not raise any more " vaham " is what I want

to emphasize. Unfortunately. these aspects have not been explained

in LalKitab.

>

> This needs more research and observation. I'd invite all to

experiment with this and even observe incidents that have taken

place in the past and learn from them. If someone can get a case-

study together and write to the forum, it will be very beneficial

for all of us.

>

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

> Respected Bhatia Sahib,

>

> A very enlightening explanation indeed. Sir, I would like to add a

few words (with your kind permission) in addition to your most

scholarly respond. In my humble opinion, one likely cause of sudden

incidents of illnesses, accidents and other unfortunate occurrence

etc. is " Dhokhe ka Grah " and the other is " Pitri Rin " in a natives

chart. Both of these terms are a bit technical in nature and

unfortunately people often overlook these crucial factors while

analyzing but, I have seen in numerous charts that these two factors

are mainly responsible for unseen and unexpected difficulties.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Kiranjit Jee,

> Please see my reply enclosed in { } because fonts sometimes are

over-ridden.

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote:

> dear bhatia ji,

>

> your reply is very apt. When it is said that the Sun in 7th house

is melefic,that is a general statement that Sun usually is melefic

in 7th house as it is very likely to affect Venus melefically.

>

> Bhatia ji, i have a couple of questions;please clarify- i have not

been able to find it out myself:

>

> 1.How to find out about sudden illnesses,accidents etc. from janam

kundli or birth charts as par Lal Kitab?

> {

> This is a difficult one to answer. Since accidents happen

suddenly, the events that are sudden in nature are mostly caused by

Rahu. In the varshphal, if Rahu is badly positioned and by virtue of

aspects, is becoming malefic, it may cause one to be suddenly

involved in accidents.

> Illness is even more complicated. Each planet has specific disease

associated with it. During its maleficity, a planet may cause a

specific type of disease or illness.

> Frankly, it is hard to predict; at least I don't know how to be

definitive about it. Vedic astrology may provide more clues and

indications. LalKitab needs more research in this area.

> }

>

> 2.These days janam kundlis prepared by Lal Kitab pundits state

mahadasha,sub-periods etc. from DOB.Please clarify as to how one

finds out the Grah at the time of birth and its period and sub-

periods as it is quite different from vedic janam kundali.

>

> {

> Mahadasha has a totally different connotation in LalKitab versus

Vedic astrology. This topic, in regards to application to LalKitab

has come up for discussion in the past, here and in other forums,

and many people claim to understand it. But no one has succeeded to

provide any convincing proof that they understand this or have

utilized this in a practical sense. LalKitab does talk about it but

unfortunately, does not give any examples of its usage. Having

discussed this with many fellow LalKitab enthusiasts, I have dropped

this topic altogether. Only the janma waqt ka grah and janma din ka

grah, have practical use. And these too, have relevance when one's

full birth details are not known but an educated guess is needed for

remedial purposes.

>

> I would like to emphasize that this is my personal observation and

the fellow LalKitab enthusiasts may or may not agree with me.

> }

>

> With regards and best wishes,

> Sincerely,

> kiranjeet

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Prafulla Jee,

> That is the basic premise of LalKitab. A planet in a particular

house

> can be benefic for some and malefic for the others. Per LaKitab,

how a

> planet effects an individual's life, depends upon one's

environment and

> surroundings, one's inherited sins/good karma etc. Each planet has

> certain peculiarites associated with it as given in LalKitab. Some

of

> these peculiarities would mean that the planet is a benefic one

while

> the others would signify a maleficity associated with it. You as a

> practitioner of LalKitab have to be able to distinguish between

the two.

> If the planet is a benefic one, then the description given in " nek

> haalat " will be evident and similarly " mandee haalat " will be

evident.

> AFTER you have established that a planet is in malefic condition,

only

> then should you attempt to suggest a remedial measure.

Unnecessarily

> giving out remedial measures will be an exercise in futility, if

not

> downright harmful.

>

> If you read through the old messages, you will find that this

topic has

> been discussed in various mail messages.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> lalkitab , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members

> >

> > Many years back, I bought lal kitab (photocopy publishing

of " typed "

> > copy) and tried to read / comprehend it. Somehow, being vedic

> astrology

> > student - I could not understand the rationale (as in many ways -

it

> > was defying fundamentals of vedic astrology). Yes, I observed

> excellent

> > application by few fellow astrologers.

> >

> > I have downloaded reading materials from the file section of

group and

> > will read them. However, one thing, I am yet confused is about

the

> same

> > planet being malefic or benefic. For example - if lal kitab

considers

> > sun in 7th as malefic, then how can it be benefic.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

>

> Friends,

>

> Sorry, compressed the two column table (into a single

column) that I had included in my previous Email. Let me reproduce

it so as to avoid confusion:

>

> Planet/s in||||||||May Hit Suddenly

> the House ||||||||this/these houses

> ===============================

> 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3, 7, 11

> 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4

> 3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

> 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10, 6

> 5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7

> 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

> 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1, 5, 9

> 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10

> 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7

> 10>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4,8,12

> 11>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

> 12>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10

>

> Thanks.

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

> Yog Raj Jee,

> That is a very astute observation by you. If I may, I'd like to

add another factor in this reference. There is an " achaank choT "

aspect which also has been helpful in explaining these sudden

occurances. Although the table is given in LalKitab, let me take the

liberty of reproducing it below:

>

> Planet/s in May Hit Suddenly

> the House this/these houses

> ===============================

> 1 3, 7, 11

> 2 4

> 3 1

> 4 10,6

> 5 7

> 6 4

> 7 1, 5, 9

> 8 10

> 9 7

> 10 4,8,12

> 11 1

> 12 10

>

> This is a very interesting pattern. Based on my observations, this

is applicable in annual progressed charts quite effectively. I have

not been able to predict sudden calamity in one's life based on this

yet but I have been able to observe this pattern being effective

while doing what I call a " post-mortem " or, after-the-fact

justification. Till I am sure that I can do so (predict) based on

this technique, with a reasonable degree of accuracy, I won't make

predictions of upcoming calamities. Otherwise a planet in each house

can hit one or more houses. In that case, all the twelve months

become dangerous. Let us not raise any more " vaham " is what I want

to emphasize. Unfortunately. these aspects have not been explained

in LalKitab.

>

> This needs more research and observation. I'd invite all to

experiment with this and even observe incidents that have taken

place in the past and learn from them. If someone can get a case-

study together and write to the forum, it will be very beneficial

for all of us.

>

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

> Respected Bhatia Sahib,

>

> A very enlightening explanation indeed. Sir, I would like to add a

few words (with your kind permission) in addition to your most

scholarly respond. In my humble opinion, one likely cause of sudden

incidents of illnesses, accidents and other unfortunate occurrence

etc. is " Dhokhe ka Grah " and the other is " Pitri Rin " in a natives

chart. Both of these terms are a bit technical in nature and

unfortunately people often overlook these crucial factors while

analyzing but, I have seen in numerous charts that these two factors

are mainly responsible for unseen and unexpected difficulties.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Kiranjit Jee,

> Please see my reply enclosed in { } because fonts sometimes are

over-ridden.

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote:

> dear bhatia ji,

>

> your reply is very apt. When it is said that the Sun in 7th house

is melefic,that is a general statement that Sun usually is melefic

in 7th house as it is very likely to affect Venus melefically.

>

> Bhatia ji, i have a couple of questions;please clarify- i have not

been able to find it out myself:

>

> 1.How to find out about sudden illnesses,accidents etc. from janam

kundli or birth charts as par Lal Kitab?

> {

> This is a difficult one to answer. Since accidents happen

suddenly, the events that are sudden in nature are mostly caused by

Rahu. In the varshphal, if Rahu is badly positioned and by virtue of

aspects, is becoming malefic, it may cause one to be suddenly

involved in accidents.

> Illness is even more complicated. Each planet has specific disease

associated with it. During its maleficity, a planet may cause a

specific type of disease or illness.

> Frankly, it is hard to predict; at least I don't know how to be

definitive about it. Vedic astrology may provide more clues and

indications. LalKitab needs more research in this area.

> }

>

> 2.These days janam kundlis prepared by Lal Kitab pundits state

mahadasha,sub-periods etc. from DOB.Please clarify as to how one

finds out the Grah at the time of birth and its period and sub-

periods as it is quite different from vedic janam kundali.

>

> {

> Mahadasha has a totally different connotation in LalKitab versus

Vedic astrology. This topic, in regards to application to LalKitab

has come up for discussion in the past, here and in other forums,

and many people claim to understand it. But no one has succeeded to

provide any convincing proof that they understand this or have

utilized this in a practical sense. LalKitab does talk about it but

unfortunately, does not give any examples of its usage. Having

discussed this with many fellow LalKitab enthusiasts, I have dropped

this topic altogether. Only the janma waqt ka grah and janma din ka

grah, have practical use. And these too, have relevance when one's

full birth details are not known but an educated guess is needed for

remedial purposes.

>

> I would like to emphasize that this is my personal observation and

the fellow LalKitab enthusiasts may or may not agree with me.

> }

>

> With regards and best wishes,

> Sincerely,

> kiranjeet

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Prafulla Jee,

> That is the basic premise of LalKitab. A planet in a particular

house

> can be benefic for some and malefic for the others. Per LaKitab,

how a

> planet effects an individual's life, depends upon one's

environment and

> surroundings, one's inherited sins/good karma etc. Each planet has

> certain peculiarites associated with it as given in LalKitab. Some

of

> these peculiarities would mean that the planet is a benefic one

while

> the others would signify a maleficity associated with it. You as a

> practitioner of LalKitab have to be able to distinguish between

the two.

> If the planet is a benefic one, then the description given in " nek

> haalat " will be evident and similarly " mandee haalat " will be

evident.

> AFTER you have established that a planet is in malefic condition,

only

> then should you attempt to suggest a remedial measure.

Unnecessarily

> giving out remedial measures will be an exercise in futility, if

not

> downright harmful.

>

> If you read through the old messages, you will find that this

topic has

> been discussed in various mail messages.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> lalkitab , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members

> >

> > Many years back, I bought lal kitab (photocopy publishing

of " typed "

> > copy) and tried to read / comprehend it. Somehow, being vedic

> astrology

> > student - I could not understand the rationale (as in many ways -

it

> > was defying fundamentals of vedic astrology). Yes, I observed

> excellent

> > application by few fellow astrologers.

> >

> > I have downloaded reading materials from the file section of

group and

> > will read them. However, one thing, I am yet confused is about

the

> same

> > planet being malefic or benefic. For example - if lal kitab

considers

> > sun in 7th as malefic, then how can it be benefic.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear Friends,

it is an enlightening discussion. As mentioned, there is a Dhoke Ka Grah and

it is very important to study this Grah in addition to Varsh Phal. To find out

Dhoke Ka Grah for a particular year of life,there is a table given which has to

be corrected for each individual depending upon the placement of the Sun in the

Birth Chart.This Grah may affect rarely but when it does, the injury is quite

severe. This table is quite different from the pictorial one given under

Achaanak Chot.

Please do keep up[ sharing the knowledge.

with best wishes;

kiranjeet

 

rk_18nov <rk_18nov wrote:

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

>

> Friends,

>

> Sorry, compressed the two column table (into a single

column) that I had included in my previous Email. Let me reproduce

it so as to avoid confusion:

>

> Planet/s in||||||||May Hit Suddenly

> the House ||||||||this/these houses

> ===============================

> 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3, 7, 11

> 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4

> 3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

> 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10, 6

> 5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7

> 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

> 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1, 5, 9

> 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10

> 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7

> 10>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4,8,12

> 11>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

> 12>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10

>

> Thanks.

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

> Yog Raj Jee,

> That is a very astute observation by you. If I may, I'd like to

add another factor in this reference. There is an " achaank choT "

aspect which also has been helpful in explaining these sudden

occurances. Although the table is given in LalKitab, let me take the

liberty of reproducing it below:

>

> Planet/s in May Hit Suddenly

> the House this/these houses

> ===============================

> 1 3, 7, 11

> 2 4

> 3 1

> 4 10,6

> 5 7

> 6 4

> 7 1, 5, 9

> 8 10

> 9 7

> 10 4,8,12

> 11 1

> 12 10

>

> This is a very interesting pattern. Based on my observations, this

is applicable in annual progressed charts quite effectively. I have

not been able to predict sudden calamity in one's life based on this

yet but I have been able to observe this pattern being effective

while doing what I call a " post-mortem " or, after-the-fact

justification. Till I am sure that I can do so (predict) based on

this technique, with a reasonable degree of accuracy, I won't make

predictions of upcoming calamities. Otherwise a planet in each house

can hit one or more houses. In that case, all the twelve months

become dangerous. Let us not raise any more " vaham " is what I want

to emphasize. Unfortunately. these aspects have not been explained

in LalKitab.

>

> This needs more research and observation. I'd invite all to

experiment with this and even observe incidents that have taken

place in the past and learn from them. If someone can get a case-

study together and write to the forum, it will be very beneficial

for all of us.

>

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

> Respected Bhatia Sahib,

>

> A very enlightening explanation indeed. Sir, I would like to add a

few words (with your kind permission) in addition to your most

scholarly respond. In my humble opinion, one likely cause of sudden

incidents of illnesses, accidents and other unfortunate occurrence

etc. is " Dhokhe ka Grah " and the other is " Pitri Rin " in a natives

chart. Both of these terms are a bit technical in nature and

unfortunately people often overlook these crucial factors while

analyzing but, I have seen in numerous charts that these two factors

are mainly responsible for unseen and unexpected difficulties.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Kiranjit Jee,

> Please see my reply enclosed in { } because fonts sometimes are

over-ridden.

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote:

> dear bhatia ji,

>

> your reply is very apt. When it is said that the Sun in 7th house

is melefic,that is a general statement that Sun usually is melefic

in 7th house as it is very likely to affect Venus melefically.

>

> Bhatia ji, i have a couple of questions;please clarify- i have not

been able to find it out myself:

>

> 1.How to find out about sudden illnesses,accidents etc. from janam

kundli or birth charts as par Lal Kitab?

> {

> This is a difficult one to answer. Since accidents happen

suddenly, the events that are sudden in nature are mostly caused by

Rahu. In the varshphal, if Rahu is badly positioned and by virtue of

aspects, is becoming malefic, it may cause one to be suddenly

involved in accidents.

> Illness is even more complicated. Each planet has specific disease

associated with it. During its maleficity, a planet may cause a

specific type of disease or illness.

> Frankly, it is hard to predict; at least I don't know how to be

definitive about it. Vedic astrology may provide more clues and

indications. LalKitab needs more research in this area.

> }

>

> 2.These days janam kundlis prepared by Lal Kitab pundits state

mahadasha,sub-periods etc. from DOB.Please clarify as to how one

finds out the Grah at the time of birth and its period and sub-

periods as it is quite different from vedic janam kundali.

>

> {

> Mahadasha has a totally different connotation in LalKitab versus

Vedic astrology. This topic, in regards to application to LalKitab

has come up for discussion in the past, here and in other forums,

and many people claim to understand it. But no one has succeeded to

provide any convincing proof that they understand this or have

utilized this in a practical sense. LalKitab does talk about it but

unfortunately, does not give any examples of its usage. Having

discussed this with many fellow LalKitab enthusiasts, I have dropped

this topic altogether. Only the janma waqt ka grah and janma din ka

grah, have practical use. And these too, have relevance when one's

full birth details are not known but an educated guess is needed for

remedial purposes.

>

> I would like to emphasize that this is my personal observation and

the fellow LalKitab enthusiasts may or may not agree with me.

> }

>

> With regards and best wishes,

> Sincerely,

> kiranjeet

> Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

>

> Prafulla Jee,

> That is the basic premise of LalKitab. A planet in a particular

house

> can be benefic for some and malefic for the others. Per LaKitab,

how a

> planet effects an individual's life, depends upon one's

environment and

> surroundings, one's inherited sins/good karma etc. Each planet has

> certain peculiarites associated with it as given in LalKitab. Some

of

> these peculiarities would mean that the planet is a benefic one

while

> the others would signify a maleficity associated with it. You as a

> practitioner of LalKitab have to be able to distinguish between

the two.

> If the planet is a benefic one, then the description given in " nek

> haalat " will be evident and similarly " mandee haalat " will be

evident.

> AFTER you have established that a planet is in malefic condition,

only

> then should you attempt to suggest a remedial measure.

Unnecessarily

> giving out remedial measures will be an exercise in futility, if

not

> downright harmful.

>

> If you read through the old messages, you will find that this

topic has

> been discussed in various mail messages.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> lalkitab , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members

> >

> > Many years back, I bought lal kitab (photocopy publishing

of " typed "

> > copy) and tried to read / comprehend it. Somehow, being vedic

> astrology

> > student - I could not understand the rationale (as in many ways -

it

> > was defying fundamentals of vedic astrology). Yes, I observed

> excellent

> > application by few fellow astrologers.

> >

> > I have downloaded reading materials from the file section of

group and

> > will read them. However, one thing, I am yet confused is about

the

> same

> > planet being malefic or benefic. For example - if lal kitab

considers

> > sun in 7th as malefic, then how can it be benefic.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

>

>