Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Respected experts and dear colleagues, I am a new member of the group but have been visiting the group regularly for quite some time. I have had interest in vedic astrology and I get exposed the fascinating world of the Lal Kitab rather recently. All the senior experts deserve a lot appreciation and sincere thanks for having initiated the group. That underlines their desire both of sharing the occult knowledge and learning and refining it further and also their desire to be of service to others -Bahujan sukhai. Keeping the momentum of such voluntary initiatives is not easy. I humbly submit the following to re-energize the group: 1. I have noticed there are three types of people visiting the group. One, people who have certain degree of expertise in the Lal Kitab ( their number is less). Two, those that are students or beginners and that are still wondering to figure out how to grasp the extremely complex farmans of Lal Kitab and third category os of those who are interested in getting their problems solved. All are important, for the group is like a medical college where we have Professors, students and an OPD. 2. However, I feel the group needs to be organized on the lines of needs of the three categories. Firstly, let there be panel fo experts who volunteer themselves for answering the quarries of people. Such quarries could have a specific subject line to differentiate e.g. " Problem:01 " . No student should attempt answering them. Students should ask clarifications, rationale etc only whose sub line could begin with " Question:01 " related to :problem:01 " . The panel may themselves decide who would answer the quarries which week/ month or form their own sub-groups of two people each. The experts may answer to students with subject line " Rationale:01: 3. The group should seriously work on developing a Comprehensive Repository of Books, Litrature, articles and software tools etc. The current section of Files leaves much to be desired. Ideally the section MUST have all the original Lal Kitab versions in urdu. After 50 years there is no issue of copyrights. Those magnanimous experts who have the original versions may decide to help convert them into pdf forms. There should be a section on books available in the market endorsed/ commented upon by experts. Exchange of books may also be encouraged, to begin with at least among the members living in the same city. 4. Every week, the convener of the group could throw up a question to elicit comments of the group members. the issue could be analyzed by the experts and such issues could have a separate thread so that learning is documented and could be referred again and again. Could begin with subject line: Issue: 01 5. We all are human. In Lal Kitab, as in all branches of astrology, it is advised that one should not try to find answer with regards to his/ her own teva/ horoscope. The subjective inclination interferes in adopting the objective approach. Here the group should come forward and help find answers for individual expert/ student. Could have subject line: Colleague: 01 with deep regards to all senior colleagues Anil Kumar New Delhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 res Anil ji, A VERY NOBLE IDEA THAT MIGHT BRING THE LAL KITAB BACK TO THE GROUP. with respect to all gurujan Varun Trivedi lalkitab , " anilb_999 " <anilb_999> wrote: > Respected experts and dear colleagues, > > I am a new member of the group but have been visiting the group > regularly for quite some time. I have had interest in vedic astrology > and I get exposed the fascinating world of the Lal Kitab rather recently. > > All the senior experts deserve a lot appreciation and sincere thanks > for having initiated the group. That underlines their desire both of > sharing the occult knowledge and learning and refining it further and > also their desire to be of service to others -Bahujan sukhai. Keeping > the momentum of such voluntary initiatives is not easy. > > I humbly submit the following to re-energize the group: > 1. I have noticed there are three types of people visiting the group. > One, people who have certain degree of expertise in the Lal Kitab ( > their number is less). Two, those that are students or beginners and > that are still wondering to figure out how to grasp the extremely > complex farmans of Lal Kitab and third category os of those who are > interested in getting their problems solved. > > All are important, for the group is like a medical college where we > have Professors, students and an OPD. > > 2. However, I feel the group needs to be organized on the lines of > needs of the three categories. Firstly, let there be panel fo experts > who volunteer themselves for answering the quarries of people. Such > quarries could have a specific subject line to differentiate e.g. > " Problem:01 " . No student should attempt answering them. Students > should ask clarifications, rationale etc only whose sub line could > begin with " Question:01 " related to :problem:01 " . The panel may > themselves decide who would answer the quarries which week/ month or > form their own sub-groups of two people each. The experts may answer > to students with subject line " Rationale:01: > > 3. The group should seriously work on developing a Comprehensive > Repository of Books, Litrature, articles and software tools etc. The > current section of Files leaves much to be desired. Ideally the > section MUST have all the original Lal Kitab versions in urdu. After > 50 years there is no issue of copyrights. Those magnanimous experts > who have the original versions may decide to help convert them into > pdf forms. There should be a section on books available in the market > endorsed/ commented upon by experts. Exchange of books may also be > encouraged, to begin with at least among the members living in the > same city. > > 4. Every week, the convener of the group could throw up a question to > elicit comments of the group members. the issue could be analyzed by > the experts and such issues could have a separate thread so that > learning is documented and could be referred again and again. Could > begin with subject line: Issue: 01 > > 5. We all are human. In Lal Kitab, as in all branches of astrology, it > is advised that one should not try to find answer with regards to his/ > her own teva/ horoscope. The subjective inclination interferes in > adopting the objective approach. Here the group should come forward > and help find answers for individual expert/ student. Could have > subject line: Colleague: 01 > > with deep regards to all senior colleagues > Anil Kumar > New Delhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Anil ji, Your ideas look good but first we will have find out the interest of different people in different categories. As of now I see lack of interest by forum members to volunteer so I doubt at this stage we can implement most of your ideas. Anyway it would be good to know individual's opinion. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 9/3/05, anilb_999 <anilb_999 wrote: Respected experts and dear colleagues,I am a new member of the group but have been visiting the group regularly for quite some time. I have had interest in vedic astrologyand I get exposed the fascinating world of the Lal Kitab rather recently.All the senior experts deserve a lot appreciation and sincere thanks for having initiated the group. That underlines their desire both ofsharing the occult knowledge and learning and refining it further andalso their desire to be of service to others -Bahujan sukhai. Keeping the momentum of such voluntary initiatives is not easy.I humbly submit the following to re-energize the group:1. I have noticed there are three types of people visiting the group.One, people who have certain degree of expertise in the Lal Kitab ( their number is less). Two, those that are students or beginners andthat are still wondering to figure out how to grasp the extremelycomplex farmans of Lal Kitab and third category os of those who areinterested in getting their problems solved. All are important, for the group is like a medical college where wehave Professors, students and an OPD.2. However, I feel the group needs to be organized on the lines ofneeds of the three categories. Firstly, let there be panel fo experts who volunteer themselves for answering the quarries of people. Suchquarries could have a specific subject line to differentiate e.g. " Problem:01 " . No student should attempt answering them. Students should ask clarifications, rationale etc only whose sub line couldbegin with " Question:01 " related to :problem:01 " . The panel maythemselves decide who would answer the quarries which week/ month or form their own sub-groups of two people each. The experts may answerto students with subject line " Rationale:01:3. The group should seriously work on developing a ComprehensiveRepository of Books, Litrature, articles and software tools etc. The current section of Files leaves much to be desired. Ideally thesection MUST have all the original Lal Kitab versions in urdu. After50 years there is no issue of copyrights. Those magnanimous expertswho have the original versions may decide to help convert them into pdf forms. There should be a section on books available in the marketendorsed/ commented upon by experts. Exchange of books may also beencouraged, to begin with at least among the members living in thesame city. 4. Every week, the convener of the group could throw up a question toelicit comments of the group members. the issue could be analyzed bythe experts and such issues could have a separate thread so that learning is documented and could be referred again and again. Couldbegin with subject line: Issue: 015. We all are human. In Lal Kitab, as in all branches of astrology, itis advised that one should not try to find answer with regards to his/ her own teva/ horoscope. The subjective inclination interferes inadopting the objective approach. Here the group should come forwardand help find answers for individual expert/ student. Could havesubject line: Colleague: 01 with deep regards to all senior colleaguesAnil KumarNew Delhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Dear Anil Kumar Ji, I really appreciate your idea. I have recently joined this group and flagged all the emails which contains solutions to the problem for later analysis. The idea presented by you is really good. I hope this will help in easy reply of message required to be interest of particular group of persons. Comments from other are welcome in this regards. Thanks Amit --- anilb_999 <anilb_999 wrote: > Respected experts and dear colleagues, > > I am a new member of the group but have been > visiting the group > regularly for quite some time. I have had interest > in vedic astrology > and I get exposed the fascinating world of the Lal > Kitab rather recently. > > All the senior experts deserve a lot appreciation > and sincere thanks > for having initiated the group. That underlines > their desire both of > sharing the occult knowledge and learning and > refining it further and > also their desire to be of service to others > -Bahujan sukhai. Keeping > the momentum of such voluntary initiatives is not > easy. > > I humbly submit the following to re-energize the > group: > 1. I have noticed there are three types of people > visiting the group. > One, people who have certain degree of expertise in > the Lal Kitab ( > their number is less). Two, those that are students > or beginners and > that are still wondering to figure out how to grasp > the extremely > complex farmans of Lal Kitab and third category os > of those who are > interested in getting their problems solved. > > All are important, for the group is like a medical > college where we > have Professors, students and an OPD. > > 2. However, I feel the group needs to be organized > on the lines of > needs of the three categories. Firstly, let there be > panel fo experts > who volunteer themselves for answering the quarries > of people. Such > quarries could have a specific subject line to > differentiate e.g. > " Problem:01 " . No student should attempt answering > them. Students > should ask clarifications, rationale etc only whose > sub line could > begin with " Question:01 " related to :problem:01 " . > The panel may > themselves decide who would answer the quarries > which week/ month or > form their own sub-groups of two people each. The > experts may answer > to students with subject line " Rationale:01: > > 3. The group should seriously work on developing a > Comprehensive > Repository of Books, Litrature, articles and > software tools etc. The > current section of Files leaves much to be desired. > Ideally the > section MUST have all the original Lal Kitab > versions in urdu. After > 50 years there is no issue of copyrights. Those > magnanimous experts > who have the original versions may decide to help > convert them into > pdf forms. There should be a section on books > available in the market > endorsed/ commented upon by experts. Exchange of > books may also be > encouraged, to begin with at least among the > members living in the > same city. > > 4. Every week, the convener of the group could throw > up a question to > elicit comments of the group members. the issue > could be analyzed by > the experts and such issues could have a separate > thread so that > learning is documented and could be referred again > and again. Could > begin with subject line: Issue: 01 > > 5. We all are human. In Lal Kitab, as in all > branches of astrology, it > is advised that one should not try to find answer > with regards to his/ > her own teva/ horoscope. The subjective inclination > interferes in > adopting the objective approach. Here the group > should come forward > and help find answers for individual expert/ > student. Could have > subject line: Colleague: 01 > > with deep regards to all senior colleagues > Anil Kumar > New Delhi ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear Anil ji, You have said what I found to be required in the group and thus I fully endorse your view. We need to develop new framework for the working of the group. All the suggestions of yours are acceptable and practical. May I request group owner to divert his kind attention to this and develop something on these lines. Thanking in advance. Best regards Jai On 9/3/05, anilb_999 <anilb_999 wrote: > Respected experts and dear colleagues, > > I am a new member of the group but have been visiting the group > regularly for quite some time. I have had interest in vedic astrology > and I get exposed the fascinating world of the Lal Kitab rather recently. > > All the senior experts deserve a lot appreciation and sincere thanks > for having initiated the group. That underlines their desire both of > sharing the occult knowledge and learning and refining it further and > also their desire to be of service to others -Bahujan sukhai. Keeping > the momentum of such voluntary initiatives is not easy. > > I humbly submit the following to re-energize the group: > 1. I have noticed there are three types of people visiting the group. > One, people who have certain degree of expertise in the Lal Kitab ( > their number is less). Two, those that are students or beginners and > that are still wondering to figure out how to grasp the extremely > complex farmans of Lal Kitab and third category os of those who are > interested in getting their problems solved. > > All are important, for the group is like a medical college where we > have Professors, students and an OPD. > > 2. However, I feel the group needs to be organized on the lines of > needs of the three categories. Firstly, let there be panel fo experts > who volunteer themselves for answering the quarries of people. Such > quarries could have a specific subject line to differentiate e.g. > " Problem:01 " . No student should attempt answering them. Students > should ask clarifications, rationale etc only whose sub line could > begin with " Question:01 " related to :problem:01 " . The panel may > themselves decide who would answer the quarries which week/ month or > form their own sub-groups of two people each. The experts may answer > to students with subject line " Rationale:01: > > 3. The group should seriously work on developing a Comprehensive > Repository of Books, Litrature, articles and software tools etc. The > current section of Files leaves much to be desired. Ideally the > section MUST have all the original Lal Kitab versions in urdu. After > 50 years there is no issue of copyrights. Those magnanimous experts > who have the original versions may decide to help convert them into > pdf forms. There should be a section on books available in the market > endorsed/ commented upon by experts. Exchange of books may also be > encouraged, to begin with at least among the members living in the > same city. > > 4. Every week, the convener of the group could throw up a question to > elicit comments of the group members. the issue could be analyzed by > the experts and such issues could have a separate thread so that > learning is documented and could be referred again and again. Could > begin with subject line: Issue: 01 > > 5. We all are human. In Lal Kitab, as in all branches of astrology, it > is advised that one should not try to find answer with regards to his/ > her own teva/ horoscope. The subjective inclination interferes in > adopting the objective approach. Here the group should come forward > and help find answers for individual expert/ student. Could have > subject line: Colleague: 01 > > with deep regards to all senior colleagues > Anil Kumar > New Delhi > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Dear friends firstly my best wishes for the group if at all it embarks on re-energizing. i have considerable knowledge in vedic jyotish and reasonable knowledge in lalkitab. an year ago i used to participate actively and whenever i answered queries and if any vedic based observation were given, i was discouraged by senior members and even some mails were withheld by the group owner for deviation from lalkitab principles and also that enough views were already expressed and hence my views need not be added. it is a different matter that for the last six months, MOST of the mails have some basis or other on vedic and some new methods, completely deviating from lalkitab principles in the senior members language. i also observed a great amount of egoism among few members of the group. sister priyaji long back advised me to go to jyotish remedies group for vedic based answering where i have been doing considerable service to many for quite sometime and i thank her for this advise as JR is the right platform. astology is a divine science in which even a doctorate who has been awarded Phd cannot own it as if he is the authority. humility is the hallmark of maturity. my brother advised me to follow one basic principle that the more we learn, we learn that what we learnt is very little. if the astrologers and the group owner also consider on these lines, truly this wonderful group can do the best service to humanity at large. i repeat my first observation of lalkitab that despite its deviation from traditional vedic branch, predictions based on lalkitab are INCREDIBLY TRUE which is why it is attracting many a vedic astrologer towards it. Let us all praise the divine glory of the great master for gifting this incredible lalkitab freely to all of us. the only way to pay respect him and his great book is everyone should add fuel to keep up the light of lalkitab so that it keeps disseminating its light of knowledge in dispelling the doubts of the question seekers. with best wishes and hope to join again this group to contribute actively arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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