Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Respected Arora ji, I agree with you. My outburst was a result of hurt. No scholar big or small has a right to make fun of or jeer at or belittle another scholar. You might disagree , but you do not have a right to stab at the back. Every scholar has the freedom to hold his / her views. No body has the right to make fun of some one simply because he / she doesn't agree with you. respectfully, varun trivedi lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...> wrote: > Dear Dvivedi Ji: > > I have been a member of this group since its early days and a > regular reader of the various postings. Like Lalkitabeeji and > Prabhakarji, I was disturbed and disappointed by both the tone and > the content of your message and found myself compelled to say a few > words as well: > > a) I have followed the writings of many Lal Kitab scholars and have > a great respect for them. However, Bhatiaji stand different as he > is one of those blessed scholars who has had the priviledge of > learning Lal Kitab directly at the feet of the great master Pt. Roop > Chand Ji. That experiencial undderstanding of Lal Kitab clearly > reflects " passion " in his writings. > > b) Lal Kitab clearly talks of " Duniyavi hisab kitab " and we have > also been taught that through proper conduct (actions, words, > thoughts etc) we can all improve our karmic make-up. By using harsh > words, scathing criticisms as evidenced in your note, I believe you > are going against the very tenets of Lal Kitab philosophy which is > lot broader than upayas > > Let's not focus on who wins or who loses but evolve our minds to > learning from each other on this forum. I apologise if I have > inadvertantly hurt your feelings. > > With regards > Vijay Arora > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dvivedi ji, > > > > > > > > I was very thrilled to find a good LK student in you initially. > You were among the selected ones, whose postings were not deleted by > me without reading. But your outburst against our senior Guru Sh. > Rajinder Bhatia ji has really disappointed me. well I am 101% with > anyone who has blind faith in the revered Lal Kitab and its > principles. Since I belong to the old school of Lal Kitab, for me, > any deviation from its rules is like a great sin. > > > > > > > > Please try to make equilibrium between your HOSH and JOSH if you > want this sacrosanct book's blessings. Learn to give full respect to > the Gurujans. I will not use any harsh word, but would like to share > a story. I hope that you will be able to judge yourself what I want > to convey. I would like to make myself clear that I am not targeting > anyone. If someone finds it hurting I render my unconditional > apology in advance. > > > > > > > > Once there was a so-called Vidwaan (learned) Pundit ji in a > village of Punjab. Whose authority among the illiterate populace was > unchallenged for a long time. Once a Baraat (Marriage Party) came to > that village, which was accompanied by a truly learned Pundit ji > from the city. They invited the village Pundit ji for a Shastrarth > (Debate and discussion over holy Shastras) with their Pundit. > > > > > > > > The village Pundit ji who was well aware of his capabilities > turned down the request initially. But the villagers requested him > to join the debate since it was an issue of prestige for the > village. After his initial reluctance, Pundit ji finally decided to > oblige. > > > > > > > > A high Chabootra (stage) was prepared and decorated for the > occasion. In the evening the stage was set, the whole village and > the marriage party assembled there to witness the clash of Titans. > City Pundit ji was the first to took his seat, whereas Village > Pundit was still to join. After sometime, village Pundit ji finally > arrived there and took his seat besides the city Pundit. > > > > > > > > The learned and sophisticated city Pundit respectfully folded his > hands and said : > > > > > > > > " MAHARAJ KUCHH UCHRO " (Please utter something sir!). > > > > > > > > The village Pundit who never read a single word of Sanskrit got > confused, since it was a prestige issue he promptly replied loudly: > > > > > > > > " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " . > > > > > > > > The villagers cheered him vigorously. Now it was the turn of city > Pundit to get confused. He asked the village Pundit: > > > > > > > > " EH KEE? " (What is this?). > > > > > > > > Encouraged by the village supporters, the village Pundit ji didn't > lose a moment, and fired: > > > > > > > > " EHKEE – NEHKEE-THEKEE " . > > > > > > > > The city Pundit shook his head in disbelief, and the villagers > without wasting any time rushed to the stage and lift their Pundit > ji on the shoulders and start shouting: > > > > > > > > " SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA - SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA " (Our Pundit ji has > won-Our Pundit ji has won). > > > > > > > > > > > > Moral of the story: > > > > > > > > The " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " factor is very badly damaging the cause > of Lal Kitab astrology. Please recognize and follow the right people > and the right path. > > > > > > > > May Lal Kitab bless you. > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > > Respected Dvivedi ji > > I read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji favoured all > over > > times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi jaantey hain > ki > > yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra nahi aataa ho to > > saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa chahiye.Aur is group > > maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi kar paatey aur > > XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ? Aise main agar > > bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone ke liye bola > to > > kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth peechhey bolne ki > to > > group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia ji ko kyaa > profit > > hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd kisi had tak > > thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki maine unhain bola > > tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise kyon chhod diyaa? > Ab > > to is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa tha. I > appriciate > > the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with the technique > of > > bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using bhavspasht. Is > she > > used only bhavarambh & bhavmadhya or any more.Because > vinshiopakbal > > is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal if we use > > remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according to lalkitab.Then > we > > must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is based at > > rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology ,we will > confused > > to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection karya-karan ke aadhar > per > > hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai. Agar > bhavspasht > > se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi hum bhaav ko > > secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya rashifal ko ,yeh ek > > sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main kayam grah ka > > byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa hogaa iska > > nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur jo shakki grah > > hai use yadi bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to uskaa upay > > batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge ya rashichakra > ke > > mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad lalkitab ka system > ulat > > palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane jyotish se > alagh > > hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane jyotish se banayee > > kundli ko filhaal istemaal kiyaa jaaye lekin purane jyotish ko > ismain > > analyze kartey huye milaayaa na jaaye.Main ek letter main to nahi > > samjhaa saktaa lekin agar priyaa ji hoti to unse disscussion > jaroor > > kartaa.Aap mere words ko tod marod kerab jo marzi sawaal karain > lekin > > thik yahi hai ki lalkitab ko lalkitab ke tarike se hi padhnaa uar > > samajhna behter hai.If i hurted ur imotions to priya ji then > > sorry ,in fact i also respect bahin priya but it doesnt mean that > i > > disrespect u or Bhatia ji. Group hai disscussions to hotey hi hain > > hote rahengey ,kabhi garam kabhi naram, lekin shabdon ki maryaada > to > > rakhni chahiye.Aapko bhi hamain bhi. Varnaa yeh sach hai ki ye > group > > main jo thodi bahut lalkitab bachi hai vo bhi nash ho jayegi.Rahi > > baat meri activities ki to main to aise hi ramtaa jogi behtaa > paani > > ki tarah aungaa aur man karegaa to disscusions main participate > > karoongaa varnaa nahi.Aur bahin priya ji ne apne group main jis > > tarike se mail ka response diya hai vo kabil a taarif hai. Lekin > aisa > > niswarth roop se vahi ker saktaa hai, jiske paas paropkaar ki > bhavnaa > > ke saath saath bharpoor samay hai. Lekein jaraa apne ander jhaank > > ker dekhiye ki kyaa aap vaisa ker saktey hain , agar aap nahi ker > > saktey to kisi doosrey ko iske liye shabdon ke teer chalaaker > majboor > > bhi nahi ker saktey . > > With regards > > Lalkitabee > > > > lalkitab , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd> > wrote: > > > Respected Bhatia ji, > > > > > > This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and > the 'person' > > on > > > many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu > representing > > > fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki > baat. > > On > > > this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was > > > done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi . > > > > > > Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for every thing. > aaj > > > woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth > pechhe > > > kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye ki > > > apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More > than > > > 700 messages in a month. Can you do this? > > > > > > woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein to > > Lal > > > Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai. > > > > > > Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat hai? > > > Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se > bara > > LK > > > vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi > technik > > > use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal > nahi > > > karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you. > > > > > > yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Mein jo > > sach > > > hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga. > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed personally. > > > > Rajinder Bhatia. > > > > ========================================================== > > > > > > > > Anil Jee, > > > > I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta > > > technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un- > needed > > > but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane > gasoline > > > (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel > engine. > > If > > > we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every > > > horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real > examples > > of > > > real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the " owner of the > other > > > group " has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just prescribing > > > remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the > > > horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really needed. > > That > > > is a wrong and a very dangerous technique. > > > > > > > > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it > follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > +--------------+ > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / Ju \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | x As x Sa Mo| > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ 12 / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | Ra x Ke | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | x Me x | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / Su \ / Ma \ | > > > > | / Ve \ / \ | > > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > Your horoscope shows a " love marriage " and at least one son. I > > > would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip > in > > > her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your > family > > > life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's > > > potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or > > > skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something > from > > > a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin - > > place > > > a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in > your > > > residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is > > > potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper > vessel - > > > > > you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter, > > will > > > remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no > need > > > to carry out the Rain water upaya. > > > > > > > > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the > eighth > > > should be performed. > > > > > > > > I wish you well. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhatia ji, > > > > Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled > upon > > > your > > > > LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in the > > > group . > > > > Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal > problem ? > > > > > > > > In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry > to > > > seek > > > > guidence in matter of career and marital harmony. > > > > DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963 > > > > Planetary position as indicated in the traditional horoscope: > 1. > > > Lagna > > > > : Pisces – Jupiter, > > > > 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo – > > > > Mercury; 8. Libra > > > > – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12. > > > > Aquarius > > > > – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963 > > > > > > > > One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the > planetray > > > > position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all > > > planets > > > > would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He suggested > based > > on > > > > the 'new' positions the following remedies: > > > > [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh. > > > > This combination invariably causes marital discord , at times > very > > > > serious. Therefore: > > > > { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a > > > > copper ghara. > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little > > > > rain water in a > > > > bottle. > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th : > > > > { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a > > > > little honey in an earthen pot. > > > > { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver > > > > chain round your neck. > > > > > > > > To remove hurdles in career: > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square > > > > pieces of copper. > > > > [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing > > > > sweet and drink a little water. > > > > > > > > With due respect, my question is there could be a little error > in > > > > recording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I > have is > > > > correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told her that > the > > > > nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi > akshar 'gu' ) > > > > > > > > I have seen you posing question to ascertain the authenticity > of > > > > horoscope. Could you kindly assist ? > > > > The notable developments in the life of native have been: > > > > i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of above > > > average > > > > intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through > self > > > > learning. > > > > ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of > parents > > > but > > > > settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as own > > > > Institute did not do well. > > > > iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in > service. > > > > iv. Had a son in 1993. > > > > v. Built house in 2001-02. > > > > vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without much > > > > gains. > > > > vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the march- > june > > > > 2005 period. > > > > viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has > > > authroed a > > > > couple of books and contributes to financial papers. > > > > > > > > Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother. > > Sisters > > > are > > > > well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of > embrassment > > for > > > > family- still unsettled in career. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be ever grateful for your guidence. > > > > > > > > warm regards > > > > Anil Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Varun ji, Bhatia ji is one of the senior most and respected members of this forum. You being a new member probably don't understand it and hence raising such questions. He is also one of the moderator of this forum and hence has the right to correct things which he thinks incorrect. I hope you will understand and will not raise such questions in future. I would also request you to put your views in the polite tone. Your present tone is harsh and is not acceptable at all. I request all members of the forum to keep " forum constitution " in mind which can be found at - lalkitabForum/ Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 8/7/05, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Arora ji,I agree with you. My outburst was a result of hurt. No scholar bigor small has a right to make fun of or jeer at or belittle another scholar. You might disagree , but you do not have a right to stab atthe back. Every scholar has the freedom to hold his / her views. Nobody has the right to make fun of some one simply because he / shedoesn't agree with you. respectfully,varun trivedilalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...> wrote: > Dear Dvivedi Ji:>> I have been a member of this group since its early days and a> regular reader of the various postings. Like Lalkitabeeji and> Prabhakarji, I was disturbed and disappointed by both the tone and > the content of your message and found myself compelled to say afew> words as well:>> a) I have followed the writings of many Lal Kitab scholars andhave> a great respect for them. However, Bhatiaji stand different as he > is one of those blessed scholars who has had the priviledge of> learning Lal Kitab directly at the feet of the great master Pt.Roop> Chand Ji. That experiencial undderstanding of Lal Kitab clearly > reflects " passion " in his writings.>> b) Lal Kitab clearly talks of " Duniyavi hisab kitab " and we have> also been taught that through proper conduct (actions, words,> thoughts etc) we can all improve our karmic make-up. By using harsh> words, scathing criticisms as evidenced in your note, I believeyou> are going against the very tenets of Lal Kitab philosophy which is> lot broader than upayas>> Let's not focus on who wins or who loses but evolve our minds to > learning from each other on this forum. I apologise if I have> inadvertantly hurt your feelings.>> With regards> Vijay Arora>>>> lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar> <yr_prabhakar> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Dvivedi ji,> >> >> >> > I was very thrilled to find a good LK student in you initially. > You were among the selected ones, whose postings were not deletedby> me without reading. But your outburst against our senior Guru Sh.> Rajinder Bhatia ji has really disappointed me. well I am 101% with > anyone who has blind faith in the revered Lal Kitab and its> principles. Since I belong to the old school of Lal Kitab, for me,> any deviation from its rules is like a great sin.> >> > > >> > Please try to make equilibrium between your HOSH and JOSH if you> want this sacrosanct book's blessings. Learn to give full respectto> the Gurujans. I will not use any harsh word, but would like to share> a story. I hope that you will be able to judge yourself what Iwant> to convey. I would like to make myself clear that I am nottargeting> anyone. If someone finds it hurting I render my unconditional > apology in advance.> >> >> >> > Once there was a so-called Vidwaan (learned) Pundit ji in a> village of Punjab. Whose authority among the illiterate populacewas > unchallenged for a long time. Once a Baraat (Marriage Party) cameto> that village, which was accompanied by a truly learned Pundit ji> from the city. They invited the village Pundit ji for a Shastrarth > (Debate and discussion over holy Shastras) with their Pundit.> >> >> >> > The village Pundit ji who was well aware of his capabilities> turned down the request initially. But the villagers requested him > to join the debate since it was an issue of prestige for the> village. After his initial reluctance, Pundit ji finally decidedto> oblige.> >> >> >> > A high Chabootra (stage) was prepared and decorated for the > occasion. In the evening the stage was set, the whole village and> the marriage party assembled there to witness the clash of Titans.> City Pundit ji was the first to took his seat, whereas Village > Pundit was still to join. After sometime, village Pundit jifinally> arrived there and took his seat besides the city Pundit.> >> >> >> > The learned and sophisticated city Pundit respectfully folded his> hands and said :> >> >> >> > " MAHARAJ KUCHH UCHRO " (Please utter something sir!).> >> >> >> > The village Pundit who never read a single word of Sanskrit got > confused, since it was a prestige issue he promptly replied loudly:> >> >> >> > " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " .> >> >> >> > The villagers cheered him vigorously. Now it was the turn of city> Pundit to get confused. He asked the village Pundit:> >> >> >> > " EH KEE? " (What is this?).> >> >> >> > Encouraged by the village supporters, the village Pundit ji didn't> lose a moment, and fired:> >> >> >> > " EHKEE – NEHKEE-THEKEE " .> >> >> >> > The city Pundit shook his head in disbelief, and the villagers > without wasting any time rushed to the stage and lift their Pundit> ji on the shoulders and start shouting:> >> >> >> > " SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA - SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA " (Our Pundit ji has> won-Our Pundit ji has won).> >> >> >> >> >> > Moral of the story:> >> >> >> > The " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " factor is very badly damaging the cause> of Lal Kitab astrology. Please recognize and follow the rightpeople> and the right path.> >> >> >> > May Lal Kitab bless you.> >> > > >> > Yograj Prabhakar> >> >> >> >> > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:> > Respected Dvivedi ji> > I read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji favoured all > over> > times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi jaanteyhain> ki> > yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra nahi aataa hoto> > saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa chahiye.Aur isgroup> > maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi kar paateyaur> > XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ? Aise mainagar> > bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone ke liye bola > to> > kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth peechhey bolne ki> to> > group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia ji ko kyaa> profit> > hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd kisi had tak> > thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki maine unhainbola> > tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise kyon chhoddiyaa?> Ab> > to is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa tha. I > appriciate> > the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with thetechnique> of> > bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using bhavspasht. Is> she> > used only bhavarambh & bhavmadhya or any more.Because> vinshiopakbal> > is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal if we use> > remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according tolalkitab.Then> we> > must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is based at> > rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology ,we will> confused> > to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection karya-karan ke aadhar> per> > hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai. Agar > bhavspasht> > se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi hum bhaavko> > secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya rashifal ko ,yeh ek> > sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main kayam grah ka> > byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa hogaa iska> > nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur jo shakkigrah> > hai use yadi bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to uskaa upay > > batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge yarashichakra> ke> > mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad lalkitab ka system> ulat> > palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane jyotish se > alagh> > hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane jyotish sebanayee> > kundli ko filhaal istemaal kiyaa jaaye lekin purane jyotish ko> ismain> > analyze kartey huye milaayaa na jaaye.Main ek letter main tonahi> > samjhaa saktaa lekin agar priyaa ji hoti to unse disscussion> jaroor> > kartaa.Aap mere words ko tod marod kerab jo marzi sawaal karain> lekin> > thik yahi hai ki lalkitab ko lalkitab ke tarike se hi padhnaa uar> > samajhna behter hai.If i hurted ur imotions to priya ji then> > sorry ,in fact i also respect bahin priya but it doesnt meanthat> i> > disrespect u or Bhatia ji. Group hai disscussions to hotey hi hain> > hote rahengey ,kabhi garam kabhi naram, lekin shabdon kimaryaada> to> > rakhni chahiye.Aapko bhi hamain bhi. Varnaa yeh sach hai ki ye> group> > main jo thodi bahut lalkitab bachi hai vo bhi nash ho jayegi.Rahi> > baat meri activities ki to main to aise hi ramtaa jogi behtaa> paani> > ki tarah aungaa aur man karegaa to disscusions main participate> > karoongaa varnaa nahi.Aur bahin priya ji ne apne group main jis > > tarike se mail ka response diya hai vo kabil a taarif hai. Lekin> aisa> > niswarth roop se vahi ker saktaa hai, jiske paas paropkaar ki> bhavnaa> > ke saath saath bharpoor samay hai. Lekein jaraa apne ander jhaank> > ker dekhiye ki kyaa aap vaisa ker saktey hain , agar aap nahiker> > saktey to kisi doosrey ko iske liye shabdon ke teer chalaaker> majboor> > bhi nahi ker saktey . > > With regards> > Lalkitabee> >> > lalkitab , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd>> wrote:> > > Respected Bhatia ji, > > >> > > This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and> the 'person'> > on> > > many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu> representing > > > fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki> baat.> > On> > > this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was> > > done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi . > > >> > > Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for everything.> aaj> > > woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth> pechhe> > > kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye ki> > > apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More> than> > > 700 messages in a month. Can you do this?> > >> > > woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein to> > Lal> > > Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai.> > >> > > Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat hai?> > > Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se > bara> > LK> > > vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi> technik> > > use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal> nahi> > > karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you. > > >> > > yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Meinjo> > sach> > > hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga.> > > > > > respectfully,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> > > >> > > > Friends,> > > > I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressedpersonally.> > > > Rajinder Bhatia. > > > > ==========================================================> > > >> > > > Anil Jee,> > > > I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta > > > technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un-> needed> > > but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane> gasoline> > > (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel > engine.> > If> > > we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every> > > horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real> examples> > of > > > real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the " owner of the> other> > > group " has been using Bhav Spashta and has been justprescribing> > > remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the> > > horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are reallyneeded.> > That> > > is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.> > > >> > > > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it > follows:> > > >> > > >> > > > +--------------+> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / Ju \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | x As x Sa Mo|> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ 12 / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | Ra x Ke |> > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / |> > > > | x Me x |> > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ |> > > > | / Su \ / Ma \ |> > > > | / Ve \ / \ |> > > > +--------------+ > > > >> > > >> > > > Your horoscope shows a " love marriage " and at least one son.I> > > would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip> in> > > her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your> family> > > life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's> > > potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or> > > skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something> from> > > a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin -> > place> > > a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in > your> > > residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is> > > potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper> vessel -> >> > > you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter,> > will> > > remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no> need> > > to carry out the Rain water upaya.> > > >> > > > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the > eighth> > > should be performed.> > > >> > > > I wish you well.> > > >> > > > Respectfully,> > > > Rajinder Bhatia> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote:> > > > Respected Bhatia ji,> > > > Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled > upon> > > your> > > > LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing inthe> > > group .> > > > Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal > problem ?> > > >> > > > In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry> to> > > seek> > > > guidence in matter of career and marital harmony. > > > > DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963> > > > Planetary position as indicated in the traditionalhoroscope:> 1.> > > Lagna> > > > : Pisces – Jupiter, > > > > 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –> > > > Mercury; 8. Libra> > > > – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12.> > > > Aquarius > > > > – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963> > > >> > > > One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the> planetray> > > > position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all > > > planets> > > > would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He suggested> based> > on> > > > the 'new' positions the following remedies:> > > > [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh. > > > > This combination invariably causes marital discord , attimes> very> > > > serious. Therefore:> > > > { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a > > > > copper ghara.> > > >> > > > [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little> > > > rain water in a> > > > bottle.> > > > > > > > [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th :> > > > { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a> > > > little honey in an earthen pot.> > > > { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver > > > > chain round your neck.> > > >> > > > To remove hurdles in career:> > > >> > > > [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square > > > > pieces of copper.> > > > [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing> > > > sweet and drink a little water.> > > >> > > > With due respect, my question is there could be a little error> in> > > > recording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I> have is> > > > correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told herthat> the > > > > nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi> akshar 'gu' )> > > >> > > > I have seen you posing question to ascertain theauthenticity> of> > > > horoscope. Could you kindly assist ? > > > > The notable developments in the life of native have been:> > > > i. the person could complete only graduation inspite ofabove> > > average> > > > intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through > self> > > > learning.> > > > ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of> parents> > > but> > > > settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as own> > > > Institute did not do well.> > > > iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in> service.> > > > iv. Had a son in 1993.> > > > v. Built house in 2001-02. > > > > vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without much> > > > gains.> > > > vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except themarch-> june> > > > 2005 period. > > > > viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has> > > authroed a> > > > couple of books and contributes to financial papers.> > > >> > > > Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother. > > Sisters> > > are> > > > well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of> embrassment> > for> > > > family- still unsettled in career.> > > > > > > >> > > > I would be ever grateful for your guidence.> > > >> > > > warm regards> > > > Anil Kumar> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Mail> > > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour> >> >> >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Trivedi Ji: I went back and re-read Bhatia ji's respose 3 times. I am really struggling to understand how you could draw the conclusion that Bhatia Ji was belittling the other scholar or stabbing in the back because I could not conclude that: a) During early discussions between Priya ji and Bhatia Ji it was clear that Priya ji was very much supportive of the " bhav spasht " technique whereas Bhatia ji reflected a very " purist " view and discarded the " bhav spasht " technique as unnecessary when interpreting using Lal Kitab. I know those discussions at time did get hot but that's the nature of debates b) Bhatiaji's current note reflects the consistency of his approach on the subject. He is repeating what he has said before when Priya Ji was on the stage - that is not stabbing in the back Even though the 2 scholars disagree in certain areas, they do respect each other. I hope I have eased your " hurt " somewhat and also hope that you will relook at your conclusions. With regards Vijay Arora lalkitab , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd> wrote: > Respected Arora ji, > > I agree with you. My outburst was a result of hurt. No scholar big > or small has a right to make fun of or jeer at or belittle another > scholar. You might disagree , but you do not have a right to stab at > the back. Every scholar has the freedom to hold his / her views. No > body has the right to make fun of some one simply because he / she > doesn't agree with you. > > respectfully, > > varun trivedi > > > > lalkitab , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...> wrote: > > Dear Dvivedi Ji: > > > > I have been a member of this group since its early days and a > > regular reader of the various postings. Like Lalkitabeeji and > > Prabhakarji, I was disturbed and disappointed by both the tone and > > the content of your message and found myself compelled to say a > few > > words as well: > > > > a) I have followed the writings of many Lal Kitab scholars and > have > > a great respect for them. However, Bhatiaji stand different as he > > is one of those blessed scholars who has had the priviledge of > > learning Lal Kitab directly at the feet of the great master Pt. > Roop > > Chand Ji. That experiencial undderstanding of Lal Kitab clearly > > reflects " passion " in his writings. > > > > b) Lal Kitab clearly talks of " Duniyavi hisab kitab " and we have > > also been taught that through proper conduct (actions, words, > > thoughts etc) we can all improve our karmic make-up. By using > harsh > > words, scathing criticisms as evidenced in your note, I believe > you > > are going against the very tenets of Lal Kitab philosophy which is > > lot broader than upayas > > > > Let's not focus on who wins or who loses but evolve our minds to > > learning from each other on this forum. I apologise if I have > > inadvertantly hurt your feelings. > > > > With regards > > Vijay Arora > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dvivedi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was very thrilled to find a good LK student in you initially. > > You were among the selected ones, whose postings were not deleted > by > > me without reading. But your outburst against our senior Guru Sh. > > Rajinder Bhatia ji has really disappointed me. well I am 101% with > > anyone who has blind faith in the revered Lal Kitab and its > > principles. Since I belong to the old school of Lal Kitab, for me, > > any deviation from its rules is like a great sin. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to make equilibrium between your HOSH and JOSH if you > > want this sacrosanct book's blessings. Learn to give full respect > to > > the Gurujans. I will not use any harsh word, but would like to > share > > a story. I hope that you will be able to judge yourself what I > want > > to convey. I would like to make myself clear that I am not > targeting > > anyone. If someone finds it hurting I render my unconditional > > apology in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once there was a so-called Vidwaan (learned) Pundit ji in a > > village of Punjab. Whose authority among the illiterate populace > was > > unchallenged for a long time. Once a Baraat (Marriage Party) came > to > > that village, which was accompanied by a truly learned Pundit ji > > from the city. They invited the village Pundit ji for a Shastrarth > > (Debate and discussion over holy Shastras) with their Pundit. > > > > > > > > > > > > The village Pundit ji who was well aware of his capabilities > > turned down the request initially. But the villagers requested him > > to join the debate since it was an issue of prestige for the > > village. After his initial reluctance, Pundit ji finally decided > to > > oblige. > > > > > > > > > > > > A high Chabootra (stage) was prepared and decorated for the > > occasion. In the evening the stage was set, the whole village and > > the marriage party assembled there to witness the clash of Titans. > > City Pundit ji was the first to took his seat, whereas Village > > Pundit was still to join. After sometime, village Pundit ji > finally > > arrived there and took his seat besides the city Pundit. > > > > > > > > > > > > The learned and sophisticated city Pundit respectfully folded > his > > hands and said : > > > > > > > > > > > > " MAHARAJ KUCHH UCHRO " (Please utter something sir!). > > > > > > > > > > > > The village Pundit who never read a single word of Sanskrit got > > confused, since it was a prestige issue he promptly replied loudly: > > > > > > > > > > > > " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The villagers cheered him vigorously. Now it was the turn of > city > > Pundit to get confused. He asked the village Pundit: > > > > > > > > > > > > " EH KEE? " (What is this?). > > > > > > > > > > > > Encouraged by the village supporters, the village Pundit ji > didn't > > lose a moment, and fired: > > > > > > > > > > > > " EHKEE – NEHKEE-THEKEE " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The city Pundit shook his head in disbelief, and the villagers > > without wasting any time rushed to the stage and lift their Pundit > > ji on the shoulders and start shouting: > > > > > > > > > > > > " SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA - SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA " (Our Pundit ji > has > > won-Our Pundit ji has won). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moral of the story: > > > > > > > > > > > > The " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " factor is very badly damaging the > cause > > of Lal Kitab astrology. Please recognize and follow the right > people > > and the right path. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Lal Kitab bless you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > > > Respected Dvivedi ji > > > I read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji favoured all > > over > > > times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi jaantey > hain > > ki > > > yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra nahi aataa ho > to > > > saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa chahiye.Aur is > group > > > maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi kar paatey > aur > > > XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ? Aise main > agar > > > bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone ke liye bola > > to > > > kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth peechhey bolne ki > > to > > > group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia ji ko kyaa > > profit > > > hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd kisi had > tak > > > thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki maine unhain > bola > > > tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise kyon chhod > diyaa? > > Ab > > > to is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa tha. I > > appriciate > > > the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with the > technique > > of > > > bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using bhavspasht. Is > > she > > > used only bhavarambh & bhavmadhya or any more.Because > > vinshiopakbal > > > is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal if we use > > > remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according to > lalkitab.Then > > we > > > must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is based at > > > rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology ,we will > > confused > > > to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection karya-karan ke aadhar > > per > > > hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai. Agar > > bhavspasht > > > se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi hum bhaav > ko > > > secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya rashifal ko ,yeh ek > > > sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main kayam grah ka > > > byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa hogaa iska > > > nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur jo shakki > grah > > > hai use yadi bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to uskaa upay > > > batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge ya > rashichakra > > ke > > > mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad lalkitab ka system > > ulat > > > palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane jyotish se > > alagh > > > hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane jyotish se > banayee > > > kundli ko filhaal istemaal kiyaa jaaye lekin purane jyotish ko > > ismain > > > analyze kartey huye milaayaa na jaaye.Main ek letter main to > nahi > > > samjhaa saktaa lekin agar priyaa ji hoti to unse disscussion > > jaroor > > > kartaa.Aap mere words ko tod marod kerab jo marzi sawaal karain > > lekin > > > thik yahi hai ki lalkitab ko lalkitab ke tarike se hi padhnaa > uar > > > samajhna behter hai.If i hurted ur imotions to priya ji then > > > sorry ,in fact i also respect bahin priya but it doesnt mean > that > > i > > > disrespect u or Bhatia ji. Group hai disscussions to hotey hi > hain > > > hote rahengey ,kabhi garam kabhi naram, lekin shabdon ki > maryaada > > to > > > rakhni chahiye.Aapko bhi hamain bhi. Varnaa yeh sach hai ki ye > > group > > > main jo thodi bahut lalkitab bachi hai vo bhi nash ho > jayegi.Rahi > > > baat meri activities ki to main to aise hi ramtaa jogi behtaa > > paani > > > ki tarah aungaa aur man karegaa to disscusions main participate > > > karoongaa varnaa nahi.Aur bahin priya ji ne apne group main jis > > > tarike se mail ka response diya hai vo kabil a taarif hai. Lekin > > aisa > > > niswarth roop se vahi ker saktaa hai, jiske paas paropkaar ki > > bhavnaa > > > ke saath saath bharpoor samay hai. Lekein jaraa apne ander > jhaank > > > ker dekhiye ki kyaa aap vaisa ker saktey hain , agar aap nahi > ker > > > saktey to kisi doosrey ko iske liye shabdon ke teer chalaaker > > majboor > > > bhi nahi ker saktey . > > > With regards > > > Lalkitabee > > > > > > lalkitab , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd> > > wrote: > > > > Respected Bhatia ji, > > > > > > > > This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and > > the 'person' > > > on > > > > many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu > > representing > > > > fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki > > baat. > > > On > > > > this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was > > > > done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi . > > > > > > > > Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for every > thing. > > aaj > > > > woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth > > pechhe > > > > kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye > ki > > > > apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More > > than > > > > 700 messages in a month. Can you do this? > > > > > > > > woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein > to > > > Lal > > > > Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai. > > > > > > > > Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat hai? > > > > Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se > > bara > > > LK > > > > vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi > > technik > > > > use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal > > nahi > > > > karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you. > > > > > > > > yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Mein > jo > > > sach > > > > hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga. > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > > > > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed > personally. > > > > > Rajinder Bhatia. > > > > > ========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > Anil Jee, > > > > > I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta > > > > technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un- > > needed > > > > but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane > > gasoline > > > > (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel > > engine. > > > If > > > > we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every > > > > horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real > > examples > > > of > > > > real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the " owner of the > > other > > > > group " has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just > prescribing > > > > remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if > the > > > > horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really > needed. > > > That > > > > is a wrong and a very dangerous technique. > > > > > > > > > > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it > > follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +--------------+ > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | \ / Ju \ / | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | x As x Sa Mo| > > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > > | / \ 12 / \ | > > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > > | Ra x Ke | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > > | x Me x | > > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > > | / Su \ / Ma \ | > > > > > | / Ve \ / \ | > > > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your horoscope shows a " love marriage " and at least one son. > I > > > > would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold > clip > > in > > > > her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your > > family > > > > life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's > > > > potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues > or > > > > skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something > > from > > > > a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin - > > > place > > > > a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in > > your > > > > residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is > > > > potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper > > vessel - > > > > > > > you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by > Jupiter, > > > will > > > > remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no > > need > > > > to carry out the Rain water upaya. > > > > > > > > > > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the > > eighth > > > > should be performed. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you well. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote: > > > > > Respected Bhatia ji, > > > > > Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled > > upon > > > > your > > > > > LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in > the > > > > group . > > > > > Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal > > problem ? > > > > > > > > > > In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry > > to > > > > seek > > > > > guidence in matter of career and marital harmony. > > > > > DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963 > > > > > Planetary position as indicated in the traditional > horoscope: > > 1. > > > > Lagna > > > > > : Pisces – Jupiter, > > > > > 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo – > > > > > Mercury; 8. Libra > > > > > – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12. > > > > > Aquarius > > > > > – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963 > > > > > > > > > > One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the > > planetray > > > > > position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all > > > > planets > > > > > would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He suggested > > based > > > on > > > > > the 'new' positions the following remedies: > > > > > [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh. > > > > > This combination invariably causes marital discord , at > times > > very > > > > > serious. Therefore: > > > > > { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a > > > > > copper ghara. > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little > > > > > rain water in a > > > > > bottle. > > > > > > > > > > [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th : > > > > > { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a > > > > > little honey in an earthen pot. > > > > > { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver > > > > > chain round your neck. > > > > > > > > > > To remove hurdles in career: > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square > > > > > pieces of copper. > > > > > [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing > > > > > sweet and drink a little water. > > > > > > > > > > With due respect, my question is there could be a little > error > > in > > > > > recording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I > > have is > > > > > correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told her > that > > the > > > > > nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi > > akshar 'gu' ) > > > > > > > > > > I have seen you posing question to ascertain the > authenticity > > of > > > > > horoscope. Could you kindly assist ? > > > > > The notable developments in the life of native have been: > > > > > i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of > above > > > > average > > > > > intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through > > self > > > > > learning. > > > > > ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of > > parents > > > > but > > > > > settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as > own > > > > > Institute did not do well. > > > > > iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in > > service. > > > > > iv. Had a son in 1993. > > > > > v. Built house in 2001-02. > > > > > vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without much > > > > > gains. > > > > > vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the > march- > > june > > > > > 2005 period. > > > > > viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has > > > > authroed a > > > > > couple of books and contributes to financial papers. > > > > > > > > > > Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother. > > > Sisters > > > > are > > > > > well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of > > embrassment > > > for > > > > > family- still unsettled in career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be ever grateful for your guidence. > > > > > > > > > > warm regards > > > > > Anil Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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