FORWARDING an Email about Bhav Spashta technique

August 4, 2005

Friends,

I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed personally.

Rajinder Bhatia.

==========================================================

Anil Jee,

I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un-needed but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane gasoline (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel engine. If we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real examples of real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the "owner of the other group" has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just prescribing remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really needed. That is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.

Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it follows:

+--------------+| \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ /

\ / || \ / Ju \ / || \ / \ / || x As x Sa Mo|| / \ / \

|| / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ 12 / \ || / \ / \

|| Ra x Ke || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||

\ / \ / || \ / \ / || x Me x || / \ / \ || /

\ / \ || / \ / \ || / Su \ / Ma \ || / Ve \ / \ |+--------------+

Your horoscope shows a "love marriage" and at least one son. I would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip in her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your family life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something from a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin - place a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in your residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper vessel - you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter, will remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no need to carry out the Rain water upaya.

The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the eighth should be performed.

I wish you well.

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

anilb_999 <wonderhands wrote:

Respected Bhatia ji,Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled upon yourLalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in the group .Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal problem ?In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry to seekguidence in matter of career and marital harmony.DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963Planetary position as indicated in the traditional horoscope: 1. Lagna: Pisces – Jupiter,4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –Mercury; 8. Libra– Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12.Aquarius– moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the planetrayposition is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all planetswould move to next house after bhav

spashtha. He suggested based onthe 'new' positions the following remedies:[ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh.This combination invariably causes marital discord , at times veryserious. Therefore:{ a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in acopper ghara.[ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a littlerain water in abottle.[ 3 ] For mars in the 8th :{ a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place alittle honey in an earthen pot.{ b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silverchain round your neck.To remove hurdles in career:[ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven squarepieces of copper.[ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thingsweet and drink a little water.With due respect, my question is there could be a little error inrecording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I have iscorrect. (My mother remembers the Pandit

having told her that thenakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi akshar 'gu' )I have seen you posing question to ascertain the authenticity ofhoroscope. Could you kindly assist ?The notable developments in the life of native have been:i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of above averageintellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through selflearning.ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of parents butsettled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as ownInstitute did not do well.iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in service.iv. Had a son in 1993.v. Built house in 2001-02.vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without muchgains.vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the march-june2005 period.viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has authroed acouple of books and contributes to

financial papers.Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother. Sisters arewell setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of embrassment forfamily- still unsettled in career.I would be ever grateful for your guidence.warm regardsAnil Kumar

Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

August 4, 2005

Respected Bhatia ji,

This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and the 'person' on

many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu representing

fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki baat. On

this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was

done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi .

Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for every thing. aaj

woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth pechhe

kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye ki

apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More than

700 messages in a month. Can you do this?

woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein to Lal

Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai.

Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat hai?

Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se bara LK

vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi technik

use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal nahi

karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you.

yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Mein jo sach

hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga.

respectfully,

Varun Trivedi

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

<rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

>

> Friends,

> I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed personally.

> Rajinder Bhatia.

> ==========================================================

>

> Anil Jee,

> I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta

technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un-needed

but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane gasoline

(because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel engine. If

we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every

horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real examples of

real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the " owner of the other

group " has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just prescribing

remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the

horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really needed. That

is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.

>

> Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it follows:

>

> +--------------+

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / Ju \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | x As x Sa Mo|

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ 12 / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | Ra x Ke |

> | \ / \ / |

> | x Me x |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / Su \ / Ma \ |

> | / Ve \ / \ |

> +--------------+

>

> Your horoscope shows a " love marriage " and at least one son. I

would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip in

her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your family

life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's

potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or

skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something from

a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin - place

a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in your

residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is

potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper vessel -

you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter, will

remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no need

to carry out the Rain water upaya.

>

> The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the eighth

should be performed.

>

> I wish you well.

>

> Respectfully,

> Rajinder Bhatia

>

> anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote:

> Respected Bhatia ji,

> Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled upon

your

> LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in the

group .

> Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal problem ?

>

> In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry to

seek

> guidence in matter of career and marital harmony.

> DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963

> Planetary position as indicated in the traditional horoscope: 1.

Lagna

> : Pisces – Jupiter,

> 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –

> Mercury; 8. Libra

> – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12.

> Aquarius

> – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963

>

> One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the planetray

> position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all

planets

> would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He suggested based on

> the 'new' positions the following remedies:

> [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh.

> This combination invariably causes marital discord , at times very

> serious. Therefore:

> { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a

> copper ghara.

>

> [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little

> rain water in a

> bottle.

>

> [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th :

> { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a

> little honey in an earthen pot.

> { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver

> chain round your neck.

>

> To remove hurdles in career:

>

> [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square

> pieces of copper.

> [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing

> sweet and drink a little water.

>

> With due respect, my question is there could be a little error in

> recording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I have is

> correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told her that the

> nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi akshar 'gu' )

>

> I have seen you posing question to ascertain the authenticity of

> horoscope. Could you kindly assist ?

> The notable developments in the life of native have been:

> i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of above

average

> intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through self

> learning.

> ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of parents

but

> settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as own

> Institute did not do well.

> iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in service.

> iv. Had a son in 1993.

> v. Built house in 2001-02.

> vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without much

> gains.

> vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the march-june

> 2005 period.

> viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has

authroed a

> couple of books and contributes to financial papers.

>

> Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother. Sisters

are

> well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of embrassment for

> family- still unsettled in career.

>

> I would be ever grateful for your guidence.

>

> warm regards

> Anil Kumar

>

> Mail

> Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

August 6, 2005

Respected Dvivedi ji

I read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji favoured all over

times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi jaantey hain ki

yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra nahi aataa ho to

saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa chahiye.Aur is group

maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi kar paatey aur

XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ? Aise main agar

bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone ke liye bola to

kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth peechhey bolne ki to

group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia ji ko kyaa profit

hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd kisi had tak

thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki maine unhain bola

tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise kyon chhod diyaa? Ab

to is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa tha. I appriciate

the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with the technique of

bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using bhavspasht. Is she

used only bhavarambh & bhavmadhya or any more.Because vinshiopakbal

is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal if we use

remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according to lalkitab.Then we

must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is based at

rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology ,we will confused

to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection karya-karan ke aadhar per

hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai. Agar bhavspasht

se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi hum bhaav ko

secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya rashifal ko ,yeh ek

sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main kayam grah ka

byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa hogaa iska

nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur jo shakki grah

hai use yadi bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to uskaa upay

batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge ya rashichakra ke

mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad lalkitab ka system ulat

palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane jyotish se alagh

hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane jyotish se banayee

kundli ko filhaal istemaal kiyaa jaaye lekin purane jyotish ko ismain

analyze kartey huye milaayaa na jaaye.Main ek letter main to nahi

samjhaa saktaa lekin agar priyaa ji hoti to unse disscussion jaroor

kartaa.Aap mere words ko tod marod kerab jo marzi sawaal karain lekin

thik yahi hai ki lalkitab ko lalkitab ke tarike se hi padhnaa uar

samajhna behter hai.If i hurted ur imotions to priya ji then

sorry ,in fact i also respect bahin priya but it doesnt mean that i

disrespect u or Bhatia ji. Group hai disscussions to hotey hi hain

hote rahengey ,kabhi garam kabhi naram, lekin shabdon ki maryaada to

rakhni chahiye.Aapko bhi hamain bhi. Varnaa yeh sach hai ki ye group

main jo thodi bahut lalkitab bachi hai vo bhi nash ho jayegi.Rahi

baat meri activities ki to main to aise hi ramtaa jogi behtaa paani

ki tarah aungaa aur man karegaa to disscusions main participate

karoongaa varnaa nahi.Aur bahin priya ji ne apne group main jis

tarike se mail ka response diya hai vo kabil a taarif hai. Lekin aisa

niswarth roop se vahi ker saktaa hai, jiske paas paropkaar ki bhavnaa

ke saath saath bharpoor samay hai. Lekein jaraa apne ander jhaank

ker dekhiye ki kyaa aap vaisa ker saktey hain , agar aap nahi ker

saktey to kisi doosrey ko iske liye shabdon ke teer chalaaker majboor

bhi nahi ker saktey .

With regards

Lalkitabee

lalkitab , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd> wrote:

> Respected Bhatia ji,

>

> This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and the 'person'

on

> many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu representing

> fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki baat.

On

> this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was

> done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi .

>

> Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for every thing. aaj

> woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth pechhe

> kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye ki

> apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More than

> 700 messages in a month. Can you do this?

>

> woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein to

Lal

> Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai.

>

> Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat hai?

> Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se bara

LK

> vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi technik

> use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal nahi

> karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you.

>

> yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Mein jo

sach

> hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga.

>

> respectfully,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

> <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> > I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed personally.

> > Rajinder Bhatia.

> > ==========================================================

> >

> > Anil Jee,

> > I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta

> technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un-needed

> but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane gasoline

> (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel engine.

If

> we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every

> horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real examples

of

> real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the " owner of the other

> group " has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just prescribing

> remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the

> horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really needed.

That

> is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.

> >

> > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it follows:

> >

> > +--------------+

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | \ / Ju \ / |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | x As x Sa Mo|

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | / \ 12 / \ |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | Ra x Ke |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | x Me x |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | / Su \ / Ma \ |

> > | / Ve \ / \ |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > Your horoscope shows a " love marriage " and at least one son. I

> would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip in

> her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your family

> life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's

> potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or

> skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something from

> a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin -

place

> a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in your

> residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is

> potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper vessel -

> you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter,

will

> remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no need

> to carry out the Rain water upaya.

> >

> > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the eighth

> should be performed.

> >

> > I wish you well.

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Rajinder Bhatia

> >

> > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote:

> > Respected Bhatia ji,

> > Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled upon

> your

> > LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in the

> group .

> > Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal problem ?

> >

> > In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry to

> seek

> > guidence in matter of career and marital harmony.

> > DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963

> > Planetary position as indicated in the traditional horoscope: 1.

> Lagna

> > : Pisces – Jupiter,

> > 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –

> > Mercury; 8. Libra

> > – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12.

> > Aquarius

> > – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963

> >

> > One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the planetray

> > position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all

> planets

> > would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He suggested based

on

> > the 'new' positions the following remedies:

> > [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh.

> > This combination invariably causes marital discord , at times very

> > serious. Therefore:

> > { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a

> > copper ghara.

> >

> > [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little

> > rain water in a

> > bottle.

> >

> > [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th :

> > { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a

> > little honey in an earthen pot.

> > { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver

> > chain round your neck.

> >

> > To remove hurdles in career:

> >

> > [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square

> > pieces of copper.

> > [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing

> > sweet and drink a little water.

> >

> > With due respect, my question is there could be a little error in

> > recording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I have is

> > correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told her that the

> > nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi akshar 'gu' )

> >

> > I have seen you posing question to ascertain the authenticity of

> > horoscope. Could you kindly assist ?

> > The notable developments in the life of native have been:

> > i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of above

> average

> > intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through self

> > learning.

> > ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of parents

> but

> > settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as own

> > Institute did not do well.

> > iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in service.

> > iv. Had a son in 1993.

> > v. Built house in 2001-02.

> > vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without much

> > gains.

> > vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the march-june

> > 2005 period.

> > viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has

> authroed a

> > couple of books and contributes to financial papers.

> >

> > Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother.

Sisters

> are

> > well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of embrassment

for

> > family- still unsettled in career.

> >

> > I would be ever grateful for your guidence.

> >

> > warm regards

> > Anil Kumar

> >

> > Mail

> > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

August 6, 2005

Dear Dvivedi ji,

I was very thrilled to find a good LK student in you initially. You were among the selected ones, whose postings were not deleted by me without reading. But your outburst against our senior Guru Sh. Rajinder Bhatia ji has really disappointed me. well I am 101% with anyone who has blind faith in the revered Lal Kitab and its principles. Since I belong to the old school of Lal Kitab, for me, any deviation from its rules is like a great sin.

Please try to make equilibrium between your HOSH and JOSH if you want this sacrosanct book’s blessings. Learn to give full respect to the Gurujans. I will not use any harsh word, but would like to share a story. I hope that you will be able to judge yourself what I want to convey. I would like to make myself clear that I am not targeting anyone. If someone finds it hurting I render my unconditional apology in advance.

Once there was a so-called Vidwaan (learned) Pundit ji in a village of Punjab. Whose authority among the illiterate populace was unchallenged for a long time. Once a Baraat (Marriage Party) came to that village, which was accompanied by a truly learned Pundit ji from the city. They invited the village Pundit ji for a Shastrarth (Debate and discussion over holy Shastras) with their Pundit.

The village Pundit ji who was well aware of his capabilities turned down the request initially. But the villagers requested him to join the debate since it was an issue of prestige for the village. After his initial reluctance, Pundit ji finally decided to oblige.

A high Chabootra (stage) was prepared and decorated for the occasion. In the evening the stage was set, the whole village and the marriage party assembled there to witness the clash of Titans. City Pundit ji was the first to took his seat, whereas Village Pundit was still to join. After sometime, village Pundit ji finally arrived there and took his seat besides the city Pundit.

The learned and sophisticated city Pundit respectfully folded his hands and said :

“MAHARAJ KUCHH UCHRO” (Please utter something sir!).

The village Pundit who never read a single word of Sanskrit got confused, since it was a prestige issue he promptly replied loudly:

“UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO”.

The villagers cheered him vigorously. Now it was the turn of city Pundit to get confused. He asked the village Pundit:

“EH KEE?” (What is this?).

Encouraged by the village supporters, the village Pundit ji didn’t lose a moment, and fired:

“EHKEE – NEHKEE-THEKEE”.

The city Pundit shook his head in disbelief, and the villagers without wasting any time rushed to the stage and lift their Pundit ji on the shoulders and start shouting:

“SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA - SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA” (Our Pundit ji has won-Our Pundit ji has won).

Moral of the story:

The “UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO” factor is very badly damaging the cause of Lal Kitab astrology. Please recognize and follow the right people and the right path.

May Lal Kitab bless you.

Yograj Prabhakar

lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

Respected Dvivedi jiI read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji favoured all over times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi jaantey hain ki yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra nahi aataa ho to saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa chahiye.Aur is group maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi kar paatey aur XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ? Aise main agar bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone ke liye bola to kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth peechhey bolne ki to group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia ji ko kyaa profit hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd kisi had tak thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki maine unhain bola tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise kyon chhod diyaa? Ab to

is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa tha. I appriciate the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with the technique of bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using bhavspasht. Is she used only bhavarambh & bhavmadhya or any more.Because vinshiopakbal is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal if we use remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according to lalkitab.Then we must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is based at rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology ,we will confused to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection karya-karan ke aadhar per hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai. Agar bhavspasht se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi hum bhaav ko secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya rashifal ko ,yeh ek sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main kayam grah ka byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa hogaa iska

nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur jo shakki grah hai use yadi bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to uskaa upay batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge ya rashichakra ke mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad lalkitab ka system ulat palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane jyotish se alagh hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane jyotish se banayee kundli ko filhaal istemaal kiyaa jaaye lekin purane jyotish ko ismain analyze kartey huye milaayaa na jaaye.Main ek letter main to nahi samjhaa saktaa lekin agar priyaa ji hoti to unse disscussion jaroor kartaa.Aap mere words ko tod marod kerab jo marzi sawaal karain lekin thik yahi hai ki lalkitab ko lalkitab ke tarike se hi padhnaa uar samajhna behter hai.If i hurted ur imotions to priya ji then sorry ,in fact i also respect bahin priya but it doesnt mean that i disrespect u or Bhatia ji. Group hai disscussions to hotey hi

hain hote rahengey ,kabhi garam kabhi naram, lekin shabdon ki maryaada to rakhni chahiye.Aapko bhi hamain bhi. Varnaa yeh sach hai ki ye group main jo thodi bahut lalkitab bachi hai vo bhi nash ho jayegi.Rahi baat meri activities ki to main to aise hi ramtaa jogi behtaa paani ki tarah aungaa aur man karegaa to disscusions main participate karoongaa varnaa nahi.Aur bahin priya ji ne apne group main jis tarike se mail ka response diya hai vo kabil a taarif hai. Lekin aisa niswarth roop se vahi ker saktaa hai, jiske paas paropkaar ki bhavnaa ke saath saath bharpoor samay hai. Lekein jaraa apne ander jhaank ker dekhiye ki kyaa aap vaisa ker saktey hain , agar aap nahi ker saktey to kisi doosrey ko iske liye shabdon ke teer chalaaker majboor bhi nahi ker saktey .With regardsLalkitabee lalkitab , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd> wrote:> Respected Bhatia ji,>

> This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and the 'person' on > many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu representing > fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki baat. On > this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was > done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi .> > Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for every thing. aaj > woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth pechhe > kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye ki > apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More than > 700 messages in a month. Can you do this?> > woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein to Lal > Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai.> > Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat hai? > Woh 'person' Lal

Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se bara LK > vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi technik > use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal nahi > karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you.> > yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Mein jo sach > hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga.> > respectfully,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> > > > Friends,> > I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed personally.> > Rajinder Bhatia. > > ==========================================================> > > > Anil Jee,> > I am

firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta > technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un-needed > but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane gasoline > (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel engine. If > we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every > horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real examples of > real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the "owner of the other > group" has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just prescribing > remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the > horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really needed. That > is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.> > > > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it follows:> > >

> > > +--------------+> > | \ / \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> > | \

/ \ / |> > | \ / Ju \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> > | x As x Sa Mo|> > | /

\ / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ 12 / \ |> > |

/ \ / \ |> > | Ra x Ke |> > | \ / \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> >

| \ / \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> > | \ / \ / |> > | x Me x |> >

| / \ / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / \ / \ |> > | / Su \ / Ma \ |> > | /

Ve \ / \ |> > +--------------+> > > > > > Your horoscope shows a "love marriage" and at least one son. I > would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip in > her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your family > life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's > potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or > skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something from > a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin - place > a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in your > residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is > potentially

harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper vessel -> you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter, will > remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no need > to carry out the Rain water upaya. > > > > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the eighth > should be performed. > > > > I wish you well.> > > > Respectfully,> > Rajinder Bhatia> > > > > > > > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote:> > Respected Bhatia ji,> > Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled upon > your> > LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in the > group .> > Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal problem ?> > > > In a different Lalkitab

group, I raised the following querry to > seek> > guidence in matter of career and marital harmony.> > DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963> > Planetary position as indicated in the traditional horoscope: 1. > Lagna> > : Pisces – Jupiter,> > 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –> > Mercury; 8. Libra> > – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12.> > Aquarius> > – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963> > > > One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the planetray> > position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all > planets> > would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He suggested based on> > the 'new' positions the following remedies:> > [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh.> > This combination invariably causes

marital discord , at times very> > serious. Therefore:> > { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a> > copper ghara.> > > > [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little> > rain water in a> > bottle.> > > > [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th :> > { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a> > little honey in an earthen pot.> > { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver> > chain round your neck.> > > > To remove hurdles in career:> > > > [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square> > pieces of copper.> > [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing> > sweet and drink a little water.> > > > With due respect, my question is there could be a little error in> > recording time. However, my belief is that the

horoscope I have is> > correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told her that the> > nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi akshar 'gu' )> > > > I have seen you posing question to ascertain the authenticity of> > horoscope. Could you kindly assist ?> > The notable developments in the life of native have been:> > i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of above > average> > intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through self> > learning.> > ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of parents > but> > settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as own> > Institute did not do well.> > iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in service.> > iv. Had a son in 1993.> > v. Built house in 2001-02.> > vi. Travels abroad frequently since

1994 though without much> > gains.> > vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the march-june> > 2005 period.> > viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has > authroed a> > couple of books and contributes to financial papers.> > > > Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother. Sisters > are> > well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of embrassment for> > family- still unsettled in career.> > > > > > I would be ever grateful for your guidence.> > > > warm regards> > Anil Kumar> > > > > > > > Mail> > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

August 6, 2005

dear chaturvedi ji

please give me bhav sphasta discussion message numbers . i want to read this messages of bhushan priya .

thanks

sincerely Ajae sharmavarun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

Respected Bhatia ji,This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and the 'person' on many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu representing fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki baat. On this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi .Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for every thing. aaj woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth pechhe kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye ki apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More than 700 messages in a month. Can you do this?woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein to Lal Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai.Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat

hai? Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se bara LK vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi technik use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal nahi karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you.yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Mein jo sach hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga.respectfully,Varun Trivedilalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:> > Friends,> I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed personally.> Rajinder Bhatia. > ==========================================================> > Anil Jee,> I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un-needed but also, absolutely

wrong. This is like using high octane gasoline (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel engine. If we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real examples of real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the "owner of the other group" has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just prescribing remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really needed. That is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.> > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it follows:> > >

+--------------+> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / Ju \

/ |> | \ / \ / |> | x As x Sa Mo|> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> |

/ \ / \ |> | / \ 12 / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | Ra x Ke |> |

\ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |>

| \ / \ / |> | x Me x |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |>

| / \ / \ |> | / Su \ / Ma \ |> | / Ve \ / \ |> +--------------+> > > Your horoscope shows a "love marriage" and at least one son. I would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip in her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your family life will improve tremendously and will

also bring your wife's potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something from a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin - place a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in your residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper vessel - you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter, will remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no need to carry out the Rain water upaya. > > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the eighth should be performed. > > I wish you well.> > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > > > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote:> Respected Bhatia ji,>

Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled upon your> LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in the group .> Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal problem ?> > In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry to seek> guidence in matter of career and marital harmony.> DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963> Planetary position as indicated in the traditional horoscope: 1. Lagna> : Pisces – Jupiter,> 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –> Mercury; 8. Libra> – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12.> Aquarius> – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963> > One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the planetray> position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all planets> would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He

suggested based on> the 'new' positions the following remedies:> [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh.> This combination invariably causes marital discord , at times very> serious. Therefore:> { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a> copper ghara.> > [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little> rain water in a> bottle.> > [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th :> { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a> little honey in an earthen pot.> { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver> chain round your neck.> > To remove hurdles in career:> > [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square> pieces of copper.> [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing> sweet and drink a little water.> > With due respect, my question is there could be a little error

in> recording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I have is> correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told her that the> nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi akshar 'gu' )> > I have seen you posing question to ascertain the authenticity of> horoscope. Could you kindly assist ?> The notable developments in the life of native have been:> i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of above average> intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through self> learning.> ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of parents but> settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as own> Institute did not do well.> iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in service.> iv. Had a son in 1993.> v. Built house in 2001-02.> vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without

much> gains.> vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the march-june> 2005 period.> viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has authroed a> couple of books and contributes to financial papers.> > Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother. Sisters are> well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of embrassment for> family- still unsettled in career.> > > I would be ever grateful for your guidence.> > warm regards> Anil Kumar> > > > Mail> Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

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August 6, 2005

Dear Dvivedi Ji:

I have been a member of this group since its early days and a

regular reader of the various postings. Like Lalkitabeeji and

Prabhakarji, I was disturbed and disappointed by both the tone and

the content of your message and found myself compelled to say a few

words as well:

a) I have followed the writings of many Lal Kitab scholars and have

a great respect for them. However, Bhatiaji stand different as he

is one of those blessed scholars who has had the priviledge of

learning Lal Kitab directly at the feet of the great master Pt. Roop

Chand Ji. That experiencial undderstanding of Lal Kitab clearly

reflects " passion " in his writings.

b) Lal Kitab clearly talks of " Duniyavi hisab kitab " and we have

also been taught that through proper conduct (actions, words,

thoughts etc) we can all improve our karmic make-up. By using harsh

words, scathing criticisms as evidenced in your note, I believe you

are going against the very tenets of Lal Kitab philosophy which is

lot broader than upayas

Let's not focus on who wins or who loses but evolve our minds to

learning from each other on this forum. I apologise if I have

inadvertantly hurt your feelings.

With regards

Vijay Arora

lalkitab , Yograj Prabhakar

<yr_prabhakar> wrote:

>

> Dear Dvivedi ji,

>

> I was very thrilled to find a good LK student in you initially.

You were among the selected ones, whose postings were not deleted by

me without reading. But your outburst against our senior Guru Sh.

Rajinder Bhatia ji has really disappointed me. well I am 101% with

anyone who has blind faith in the revered Lal Kitab and its

principles. Since I belong to the old school of Lal Kitab, for me,

any deviation from its rules is like a great sin.

>

> Please try to make equilibrium between your HOSH and JOSH if you

want this sacrosanct book's blessings. Learn to give full respect to

the Gurujans. I will not use any harsh word, but would like to share

a story. I hope that you will be able to judge yourself what I want

to convey. I would like to make myself clear that I am not targeting

anyone. If someone finds it hurting I render my unconditional

apology in advance.

>

> Once there was a so-called Vidwaan (learned) Pundit ji in a

village of Punjab. Whose authority among the illiterate populace was

unchallenged for a long time. Once a Baraat (Marriage Party) came to

that village, which was accompanied by a truly learned Pundit ji

from the city. They invited the village Pundit ji for a Shastrarth

(Debate and discussion over holy Shastras) with their Pundit.

>

> The village Pundit ji who was well aware of his capabilities

turned down the request initially. But the villagers requested him

to join the debate since it was an issue of prestige for the

village. After his initial reluctance, Pundit ji finally decided to

oblige.

>

> A high Chabootra (stage) was prepared and decorated for the

occasion. In the evening the stage was set, the whole village and

the marriage party assembled there to witness the clash of Titans.

City Pundit ji was the first to took his seat, whereas Village

Pundit was still to join. After sometime, village Pundit ji finally

arrived there and took his seat besides the city Pundit.

>

> The learned and sophisticated city Pundit respectfully folded his

hands and said :

>

> " MAHARAJ KUCHH UCHRO " (Please utter something sir!).

>

> The village Pundit who never read a single word of Sanskrit got

confused, since it was a prestige issue he promptly replied loudly:

>

> " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " .

>

> The villagers cheered him vigorously. Now it was the turn of city

Pundit to get confused. He asked the village Pundit:

>

> " EH KEE? " (What is this?).

>

> Encouraged by the village supporters, the village Pundit ji didn't

lose a moment, and fired:

>

> " EHKEE – NEHKEE-THEKEE " .

>

> The city Pundit shook his head in disbelief, and the villagers

without wasting any time rushed to the stage and lift their Pundit

ji on the shoulders and start shouting:

>

> " SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA - SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA " (Our Pundit ji has

won-Our Pundit ji has won).

>

> Moral of the story:

>

> The " UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO " factor is very badly damaging the cause

of Lal Kitab astrology. Please recognize and follow the right people

and the right path.

>

> May Lal Kitab bless you.

>

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

> lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:

> Respected Dvivedi ji

> I read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji favoured all

over

> times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi jaantey hain

ki

> yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra nahi aataa ho to

> saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa chahiye.Aur is group

> maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi kar paatey aur

> XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ? Aise main agar

> bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone ke liye bola

to

> kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth peechhey bolne ki

to

> group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia ji ko kyaa

profit

> hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd kisi had tak

> thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki maine unhain bola

> tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise kyon chhod diyaa?

Ab

> to is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa tha. I

appriciate

> the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with the technique

of

> bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using bhavspasht. Is

she

> used only bhavarambh & bhavmadhya or any more.Because

vinshiopakbal

> is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal if we use

> remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according to lalkitab.Then

we

> must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is based at

> rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology ,we will

confused

> to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection karya-karan ke aadhar

per

> hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai. Agar

bhavspasht

> se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi hum bhaav ko

> secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya rashifal ko ,yeh ek

> sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main kayam grah ka

> byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa hogaa iska

> nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur jo shakki grah

> hai use yadi bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to uskaa upay

> batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge ya rashichakra

ke

> mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad lalkitab ka system

ulat

> palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane jyotish se

alagh

> hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane jyotish se banayee

> kundli ko filhaal istemaal kiyaa jaaye lekin purane jyotish ko

ismain

> analyze kartey huye milaayaa na jaaye.Main ek letter main to nahi

> samjhaa saktaa lekin agar priyaa ji hoti to unse disscussion

jaroor

> kartaa.Aap mere words ko tod marod kerab jo marzi sawaal karain

lekin

> thik yahi hai ki lalkitab ko lalkitab ke tarike se hi padhnaa uar

> samajhna behter hai.If i hurted ur imotions to priya ji then

> sorry ,in fact i also respect bahin priya but it doesnt mean that

i

> disrespect u or Bhatia ji. Group hai disscussions to hotey hi hain

> hote rahengey ,kabhi garam kabhi naram, lekin shabdon ki maryaada

to

> rakhni chahiye.Aapko bhi hamain bhi. Varnaa yeh sach hai ki ye

group

> main jo thodi bahut lalkitab bachi hai vo bhi nash ho jayegi.Rahi

> baat meri activities ki to main to aise hi ramtaa jogi behtaa

paani

> ki tarah aungaa aur man karegaa to disscusions main participate

> karoongaa varnaa nahi.Aur bahin priya ji ne apne group main jis

> tarike se mail ka response diya hai vo kabil a taarif hai. Lekin

aisa

> niswarth roop se vahi ker saktaa hai, jiske paas paropkaar ki

bhavnaa

> ke saath saath bharpoor samay hai. Lekein jaraa apne ander jhaank

> ker dekhiye ki kyaa aap vaisa ker saktey hain , agar aap nahi ker

> saktey to kisi doosrey ko iske liye shabdon ke teer chalaaker

majboor

> bhi nahi ker saktey .

> With regards

> Lalkitabee

>

> lalkitab , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd>

wrote:

> > Respected Bhatia ji,

> >

> > This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and

the 'person'

> on

> > many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe rahu

representing

> > fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah drishti ki

baat.

> On

> > this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion was

> > done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi .

> >

> > Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for every thing.

aaj

> > woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai ki peeth

pechhe

> > kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha karni chahiye ki

> > apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha hai.More

than

> > 700 messages in a month. Can you do this?

> >

> > woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is group mein to

> Lal

> > Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group hai.

> >

> > Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna galat hai?

> > Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par aaj us se

bara

> LK

> > vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh kar koi

technik

> > use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak mein istemal

nahi

> > karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you.

> >

> > yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama karden. Mein jo

> sach

> > hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi kahoonga.

> >

> > respectfully,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

> > <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > > I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed personally.

> > > Rajinder Bhatia.

> > > ==========================================================

> > >

> > > Anil Jee,

> > > I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav Spashta

> > technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not only un-

needed

> > but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high octane

gasoline

> > (because it is more refined) in a car built with a diesel

engine.

> If

> > we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then almost every

> > horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are real

examples

> of

> > real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the " owner of the

other

> > group " has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just prescribing

> > remedial measures in wholesale without actually verifying if the

> > horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are really needed.

> That

> > is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.

> > >

> > > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger and it

follows:

> > >

> > > +--------------+

> > > | \ / \ / |

> > > | \ / Ju \ / |

> > > | \ / \ / |

> > > | x As x Sa Mo|

> > > | / \ / \ |

> > > | / \ 12 / \ |

> > > | / \ / \ |

> > > | Ra x Ke |

> > > | \ / \ / |

> > > | x Me x |

> > > | / \ / \ |

> > > | / Su \ / Ma \ |

> > > | / Ve \ / \ |

> > > +--------------+

> > >

> > > Your horoscope shows a " love marriage " and at least one son. I

> > would suggest that your wife should always wear a pure gold clip

in

> > her hair and should refrain from remaining bare-footed. Your

family

> > life will improve tremendously and will also bring your wife's

> > potential health problems (mostly woman-related health issues or

> > skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home something

from

> > a temple which has been offered by someone else (like a coin -

> place

> > a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and place this in

your

> > residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces - that is

> > potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled copper

vessel -

>

> > you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected by Jupiter,

> will

> > remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the twelfth - no

need

> > to carry out the Rain water upaya.

> > >

> > > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars in the

eighth

> > should be performed.

> > >

> > > I wish you well.

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > > Rajinder Bhatia

> > >

> > > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote:

> > > Respected Bhatia ji,

> > > Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I stumbled

upon

> > your

> > > LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely contributing in the

> > group .

> > > Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a personal

problem ?

> > >

> > > In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the following querry

to

> > seek

> > > guidence in matter of career and marital harmony.

> > > DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963

> > > Planetary position as indicated in the traditional horoscope:

1.

> > Lagna

> > > : Pisces – Jupiter,

> > > 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –

> > > Mercury; 8. Libra

> > > – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn – Saturn 12.

> > > Aquarius

> > > – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963

> > >

> > > One expert in thr group opined that with this time, the

planetray

> > > position is not correct and except for mercury and mars, all

> > planets

> > > would move to next house after bhav spashtha. He suggested

based

> on

> > > the 'new' positions the following remedies:

> > > [ 1 ] sun and venus join the mercury in the seventh.

> > > This combination invariably causes marital discord , at times

very

> > > serious. Therefore:

> > > { a } Immerse in flowing water sabut moong filled in a

> > > copper ghara.

> > >

> > > [ 2 ] For moon in the 12th : Keep at home a little

> > > rain water in a

> > > bottle.

> > >

> > > [ 3 ] For mars in the 8th :

> > > { a } Bury in a cremation ground or a burial place a

> > > little honey in an earthen pot.

> > > { b } wear a small square piece of silver in a silver

> > > chain round your neck.

> > >

> > > To remove hurdles in career:

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] Bury in a place where grass grows seven square

> > > pieces of copper.

> > > [ 2 ] Before doing any thing important eat some thing

> > > sweet and drink a little water.

> > >

> > > With due respect, my question is there could be a little error

in

> > > recording time. However, my belief is that the horoscope I

have is

> > > correct. (My mother remembers the Pandit having told her that

the

> > > nakshatra for the child is Dhanistha and nam rashi

akshar 'gu' )

> > >

> > > I have seen you posing question to ascertain the authenticity

of

> > > horoscope. Could you kindly assist ?

> > > The notable developments in the life of native have been:

> > > i. the person could complete only graduation inspite of above

> > average

> > > intellectual capability. Aquired professional skills through

self

> > > learning.

> > > ii. Married in 1985-86 -a love marriage against wishes of

parents

> > but

> > > settled amicably with them. Period of struggle till 1990 as own

> > > Institute did not do well.

> > > iii. Change of place in 1990-91 and situation improved in

service.

> > > iv. Had a son in 1993.

> > > v. Built house in 2001-02.

> > > vi. Travels abroad frequently since 1994 though without much

> > > gains.

> > > vii. Good record of marital bliss except the except the march-

june

> > > 2005 period.

> > > viii.well read and well respected in development field. Has

> > authroed a

> > > couple of books and contributes to financial papers.

> > >

> > > Third of four siblings; two elder sisters and one brother.

> Sisters

> > are

> > > well setteld but uonger brother has been a cause of

embrassment

> for

> > > family- still unsettled in career.

> > >

> > > I would be ever grateful for your guidence.

> > >

> > > warm regards

> > > Anil Kumar

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

August 9, 2005

Dear Mr Ajay,

Sorry, for interpreting here,Mr. Ajay, we may be

agreed to the fact that we all are here as a learner

of the great ocean of knowledge and perhaps, if I am

not wrong the board gives all of us as feeling of

equality for which we can be very thankful to

this.Well, in the process of our discussion, if

certain scholors are marked their little bit deep

go-through of the study, this does not at all,mean

that they can be compared. Comparision certainly a

factor which can never be done by the learners, as

that can be done by the teacher only, so,unfortunately

we dont have that because in my view there is hardly

any rich vedic teacher available in the present age

unlike our ancient vedic scholors. So, it is worthy,

for all of us to leave in an air of equallity rather

making some great and small to any one by the personal

feeling.I agree that there appear some mistakes in

interpreting some others view but that can be easily

rectified by simply narrating to the point to the

mis-interpreter.

Sorry, if I hurt your sentimate in any way but that is

the matter if we restrict from the board then we all

will be happy to contribute without hurting any

sentimate of rich and genuine scholor to contribute.

And we should not feel so clumsy, for such things, as

we are on the discussion forum of ancient studies.

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy.

--- AJAY SHARMA <shivjayastrosignature

wrote:

> dear chaturvedi ji

> please give me bhav sphasta

> discussion message numbers . i want to read this

> messages of bhushan priya .

> thanks

> sincerely Ajae

> sharma

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> Respected Bhatia ji,

>

> This is unethical. We saw the debate between you and

> the 'person' on

> many occasions. Every time you lost badly. chahe

> rahu representing

> fire ho ya chandra nashta ki baat , ya phir grah

> drishti ki baat. On

> this topic of bhav-spashtha also a lot of discusion

> was

> done. 'person' ne aap ki bolti band kardee thi .

>

> Aap jante hai ki woh 'person' quotes the book for

> every thing. aaj

> woh is group ka sadasya nahi hai , yeh ochhapan hai

> ki peeth pechhe

> kisi ki burai karana. us 'person' ki prashansha

> karni chahiye ki

> apana alag group banakar is group se achha chal raha

> hai.More than

> 700 messages in a month. Can you do this?

>

> woh group exclusivly Lal Kitab ka group hai aur is

> group mein to Lal

> Kitab bachi hi nahi. Ab Lal Kitab ka wohi asli group

> hai.

>

> Phir yeh kaise manliya jaye ki bhav-spashtha karna

> galat hai?

> Woh 'person' Lal Kitab ka vidwan hai. Internat par

> aaj us se bara LK

> vidwan koi nahi hai . Aisa vidwan bahut soch samajh

> kar koi technik

> use karata hai. woh 'person' bhav-spashtha mazak

> mein istemal nahi

> karta. 'person' works hard , harder than you.

>

> yadi apko meri koi baat galat lagi ho to kshama

> karden. Mein jo sach

> hoga wohi kahunga, pahale bhi kaha hai aur ab bhi

> kahoonga.

>

> respectfully,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia

> <rajinderbhatia2002> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> > I am forwarding a letter that came to me addressed

> personally.

> > Rajinder Bhatia.

> >

>

==========================================================

> >

> > Anil Jee,

> > I am firmly convinced that the application of Bhav

> Spashta

> technique as applied to LalKitab methodology is not

> only un-needed

> but also, absolutely wrong. This is like using high

> octane gasoline

> (because it is more refined) in a car built with a

> diesel engine. If

> we were to go by the Bhav spashta technique then

> almost every

> horoscope given in the LalKitab examples (these are

> real examples of

> real people) would be wrong. Unfortunately, the

> " owner of the other

> group " has been using Bhav Spashta and has been just

> prescribing

> remedial measures in wholesale without actually

> verifying if the

> horoscope is cast correctly or if the upayas are

> really needed. That

> is a wrong and a very dangerous technique.

> >

> > Your horoscope is correctly cast by your astrolger

> and it follows:

> >

> > +--------------+

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | \ / Ju \ / |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | x As x Sa Mo|

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | / \ 12 / \ |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | Ra x Ke |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | x Me x |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | / Su \ / Ma \ |

> > | / Ve \ / \ |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > Your horoscope shows a " love marriage " and at

> least one son. I

> would suggest that your wife should always wear a

> pure gold clip in

> her hair and should refrain from remaining

> bare-footed. Your family

> life will improve tremendously and will also bring

> your wife's

> potential health problems (mostly woman-related

> health issues or

> skin-related issues) under control. Also, bring home

> something from

> a temple which has been offered by someone else

> (like a coin - place

> a five Rupee coin and pick a one Rupee coin) and

> place this in your

> residence. No need to bury seven copper pieces -

> that is

> potentially harmful. No need to do the Moong filled

> copper vessel -

> you will mess up your Mercury which though aspected

> by Jupiter, will

> remove its good effects. The Moon is not in the

> twelfth - no need

> to carry out the Rain water upaya.

> >

> > The upaya suggested (in the other group) for Mars

> in the eighth

> should be performed.

> >

> > I wish you well.

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Rajinder Bhatia

> >

> > anilb_999 <wonderhands@r...> wrote:

> > Respected Bhatia ji,

> > Just out of curiosity and interest in astrology, I

> stumbled upon

> your

> > LalKitab group. I have seen you sincerely

> contributing in the

> group .

> > Can I take the liberty of bothering you with a

> personal problem ?

> >

> > In a different Lalkitab group, I raised the

> following querry to

> seek

> > guidence in matter of career and marital harmony.

> > DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP India 02.09.1963

> > Planetary position as indicated in the traditional

> horoscope: 1.

> Lagna

> > : Pisces – Jupiter,

> > 4. Gemini – rahu; 6. Leo – Sun & venus; 7. Virgo –

> > Mercury; 8. Libra

> > – Mars, 10. Capricorn- Ketu; 11. Capricorn –

> Saturn 12.

> > Aquarius

> > – moon] DoB: 1920 Hrs. Saharanpur UP 02.09.1963

> >

> > One expert in thr group opined that with this

> time, the planetray

> > position is not correct and except for mercury and

> mars, all

> planets

>

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Dear Mr Prabhakar,

I also do agree with you.There are many things to come

up in the field of ancient studies, and these

scholors, including Mr Bhatia, Mr Bhoosanpriya, one I

also remember but not now available in the board Mr

Upadhyaya and many other scholorly people, can

contribute a lot to this aspect and can be benifitted

to all.But one thing is worrying to me, why this ego,

comes in between. Remember, there is no big or small,

we all are learner of this great school of ancient

studies, a little new comer may be having many thing

to contribute, so he should be suitably encouraged.

I feel sorry, I am not giving full of time since I

strive for the legitmate academia position of this

study as a whole,as it has to contribute a lot for

this world especially in the present stage of global

disturbances.So, I search for the news, if there

appears some msg. in this regard and click to that

alongwith very few astro-analysis. But I feel sorry,

if there will be clashes between two legendary

scholors, hence I responded.

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy.

--- Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

>

> Dear Dvivedi ji,

>

> I was very thrilled to find a good LK student in you

> initially. You were among the selected ones, whose

> postings were not deleted by me without reading. But

> your outburst against our senior Guru Sh. Rajinder

> Bhatia ji has really disappointed me. well I am 101%

> with anyone who has blind faith in the revered Lal

> Kitab and its principles. Since I belong to the old

> school of Lal Kitab, for me, any deviation from its

> rules is like a great sin.

>

> Please try to make equilibrium between your HOSH and

> JOSH if you want this sacrosanct book’s blessings.

> Learn to give full respect to the Gurujans. I will

> not use any harsh word, but would like to share a

> story. I hope that you will be able to judge

> yourself what I want to convey. I would like to make

> myself clear that I am not targeting anyone. If

> someone finds it hurting I render my unconditional

> apology in advance.

>

> Once there was a so-called Vidwaan (learned) Pundit

> ji in a village of Punjab. Whose authority among the

> illiterate populace was unchallenged for a long

> time. Once a Baraat (Marriage Party) came to that

> village, which was accompanied by a truly learned

> Pundit ji from the city. They invited the village

> Pundit ji for a Shastrarth (Debate and discussion

> over holy Shastras) with their Pundit.

>

> The village Pundit ji who was well aware of his

> capabilities turned down the request initially. But

> the villagers requested him to join the debate since

> it was an issue of prestige for the village. After

> his initial reluctance, Pundit ji finally decided to

> oblige.

>

> A high Chabootra (stage) was prepared and decorated

> for the occasion. In the evening the stage was set,

> the whole village and the marriage party assembled

> there to witness the clash of Titans. City Pundit ji

> was the first to took his seat, whereas Village

> Pundit was still to join. After sometime, village

> Pundit ji finally arrived there and took his seat

> besides the city Pundit.

>

> The learned and sophisticated city Pundit

> respectfully folded his hands and said :

>

> “MAHARAJ KUCHH UCHRO” (Please utter something

> sir!).

>

> The village Pundit who never read a single word of

> Sanskrit got confused, since it was a prestige issue

> he promptly replied loudly:

>

> “UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO”.

>

> The villagers cheered him vigorously. Now it was the

> turn of city Pundit to get confused. He asked the

> village Pundit:

>

> “EH KEE?” (What is this?).

>

> Encouraged by the village supporters, the village

> Pundit ji didn’t lose a moment, and fired:

>

> “EHKEE – NEHKEE-THEKEE”.

>

> The city Pundit shook his head in disbelief, and the

> villagers without wasting any time rushed to the

> stage and lift their Pundit ji on the shoulders and

> start shouting:

>

> “SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA - SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA” (Our

> Pundit ji has won-Our Pundit ji has won).

>

> Moral of the story:

>

> The “UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO” factor is very badly

> damaging the cause of Lal Kitab astrology. Please

> recognize and follow the right people and the right

> path.

>

> May Lal Kitab bless you.

>

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

> lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

> Respected Dvivedi ji

> I read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji

> favoured all over

> times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi

> jaantey hain ki

> yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra

> nahi aataa ho to

> saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa

> chahiye.Aur is group

> maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi

> kar paatey aur

> XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ?

> Aise main agar

> bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone

> ke liye bola to

> kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth

> peechhey bolne ki to

> group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia

> ji ko kyaa profit

> hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd

> kisi had tak

> thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki

> maine unhain bola

> tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise

> kyon chhod diyaa? Ab

> to is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa

> tha. I appriciate

> the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with

> the technique of

> bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using

> bhavspasht. Is she

> used only bhavarambh & bhavmadhya or any

> more.Because vinshiopakbal

> is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal

> if we use

> remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according to

> lalkitab.Then we

> must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is

> based at

> rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology

> ,we will confused

> to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection

> karya-karan ke aadhar per

> hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai.

> Agar bhavspasht

> se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi

> hum bhaav ko

> secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya

> rashifal ko ,yeh ek

> sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main

> kayam grah ka

> byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa

> hogaa iska

> nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur

> jo shakki grah

> hai use yadi bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to

> uskaa upay

> batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge

> ya rashichakra ke

> mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad

> lalkitab ka system ulat

> palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane

> jyotish se alagh

> hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane

> jyotish se banayee

>

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Dear all

I am writing to you all people, i think you dont know me , i just study about lalkitab by reading your mails only , from last many days i am watching this discussion in our group, I think you all r more senior, i think you all shd. forgive him & stop this discussion.

Regards

Nagendra "p.k. tripathy" <pktripathy2003 wrote:

Dear Mr Prabhakar,I also do agree with you.There are many things to comeup in the field of ancient studies, and thesescholors, including Mr Bhatia, Mr Bhoosanpriya, one Ialso remember but not now available in the board MrUpadhyaya and many other scholorly people, cancontribute a lot to this aspect and can be benifittedto all.But one thing is worrying to me, why this ego,comes in between. Remember, there is no big or small,we all are learner of this great school of ancientstudies, a little new comer may be having many thingto contribute, so he should be suitably encouraged.I feel sorry, I am not giving full of time since Istrive for the legitmate academia position of thisstudy as a whole,as it has to contribute a lot forthis world especially in the present stage of globaldisturbances.So, I search for the news,

if thereappears some msg. in this regard and click to thatalongwith very few astro-analysis. But I feel sorry,if there will be clashes between two legendaryscholors, hence I responded.With best wishes,P K Tripathy.--- Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:> > > > Dear Dvivedi ji,> > > > I was very thrilled to find a good LK student in you> initially. You were among the selected ones, whose> postings were not deleted by me without reading. But> your outburst against our senior Guru Sh. Rajinder> Bhatia ji has really disappointed me. well I am 101%> with anyone who has blind faith in the revered Lal> Kitab and its principles. Since I belong to the old> school of Lal Kitab, for me, any deviation from its> rules is like a great sin. > > > > Please try to make equilibrium

between your HOSH and> JOSH if you want this sacrosanct book’s blessings.> Learn to give full respect to the Gurujans. I will> not use any harsh word, but would like to share a> story. I hope that you will be able to judge> yourself what I want to convey. I would like to make> myself clear that I am not targeting anyone. If> someone finds it hurting I render my unconditional> apology in advance.> > > > Once there was a so-called Vidwaan (learned) Pundit> ji in a village of Punjab. Whose authority among the> illiterate populace was unchallenged for a long> time. Once a Baraat (Marriage Party) came to that> village, which was accompanied by a truly learned> Pundit ji from the city. They invited the village> Pundit ji for a Shastrarth (Debate and discussion> over holy Shastras) with their Pundit. > > > > The village

Pundit ji who was well aware of his> capabilities turned down the request initially. But> the villagers requested him to join the debate since> it was an issue of prestige for the village. After> his initial reluctance, Pundit ji finally decided to> oblige.> > > > A high Chabootra (stage) was prepared and decorated> for the occasion. In the evening the stage was set,> the whole village and the marriage party assembled> there to witness the clash of Titans. City Pundit ji> was the first to took his seat, whereas Village> Pundit was still to join. After sometime, village> Pundit ji finally arrived there and took his seat> besides the city Pundit.> > > > The learned and sophisticated city Pundit> respectfully folded his hands and said : > > > > “MAHARAJ KUCHH UCHRO” (Please utter

something> sir!).> > > > The village Pundit who never read a single word of> Sanskrit got confused, since it was a prestige issue> he promptly replied loudly:> > > > “UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO”.> > > > The villagers cheered him vigorously. Now it was the> turn of city Pundit to get confused. He asked the> village Pundit:> > > > “EH KEE?” (What is this?).> > > > Encouraged by the village supporters, the village> Pundit ji didn’t lose a moment, and fired:> > > > “EHKEE – NEHKEE-THEKEE”.> > > > The city Pundit shook his head in disbelief, and the> villagers without wasting any time rushed to the> stage and lift their Pundit ji on the shoulders and> start shouting:> > >

> “SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA - SADA PUNDIT JITT GAYA” (Our> Pundit ji has won-Our Pundit ji has won).> > > > > > Moral of the story: > > > > The “UCHRO-MUCHRO-DHUCHRO” factor is very badly> damaging the cause of Lal Kitab astrology. Please> recognize and follow the right people and the right> path.> > > > May Lal Kitab bless you.> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:> Respected Dvivedi ji> I read ur letter but i want to say that Bhatia ji> favoured all over > times about only lalkitab in the group.Lekin aap bhi> jaantey hain ki > yadi bichchhoo (Scorpio) ke jehar ka bhi mantra> nahi aataa ho to > saanp (snake) ke bill main haath nahi daalnaa>

chahiye.Aur is group > maim abhi tak lalkitab ke ABC tak ko log touch nahi> kar paatey aur > XYZ ka lozic dhondhne lagtey hain.Kya ye thik hai ?> Aise main agar > bhatia ji ne sirf lalkitab per hi concerntrate hone> ke liye bola to > kyaa gunah kiya.Rahi baat Bahin priya ke peeth> peechhey bolne ki to > group main is baat ki shoorveerta dikhnae se bhatia> ji ko kyaa profit > hoga.Mere jaise insaan ke baare main boltey to shayd> kisi had tak > thik bhi hotaa.Lekin bahin priyaa se poochhna ki> maine unhain bola > tha ki aapne seperate group kyon banaaya aur ise> kyon chhod diyaa? Ab > to is group main disscussiona ka atmosphere banaa> tha. I appriciate > the caliber of Bhooshanpriyaa ji but i disagree with> the technique of > bhavspasht.Because im confused how she was using> bhavspasht. Is she > used only bhavarambh &

bhavmadhya or any> more.Because vinshiopakbal > is nessecry there to know.In perview of vinshopakbal> if we use > remedial then wat is use of rashichakra according to> lalkitab.Then we > must centralised at only bhavspasht.But lalkitab is> based at > rashichakra.I think if we go to classical astrology> ,we will confused > to decide remedies.Lalkitab ki predection> karya-karan ke aadhar per > hain jabki prachin jyotish ke mutabik nishchit hai.> Agar bhavspasht > se yeh clear ho jaaye ki yeh bhav kamjor hai to bhi> hum bhaav ko > secure kaRAIN ya bhavfal ko ya grahfal ko ya> rashifal ko ,yeh ek > sawaal khadaa hi reh jayegaa.Isiliye lalkitab main> kayam grah ka > byoura hai.Bhavspasht ke baad bhi shakki grah kyaa> hogaa iska > nishchay kaise hogaa kyaa aap bataa saktey hain.Aur> jo shakki grah > hai use yadi

bhavspasht se nishchit ker bhi liya to> uskaa upay > batatey huye uskaa asar bhavspasht ke mutabik lenge> ya rashichakra ke > mutabik.gaur se dekho kya bhavspasht ke baad> lalkitab ka system ulat > palat hota hua nahi lagtaa?Lalkitab ka tarika purane> jyotish se alagh > hai, isiliye lalkitab main likha hai ki purane> jyotish se banayee > === message truncated === __Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.

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