Do You Find Black magic / evil spirits in this chart

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~Respected friends~

 

After going thru these posts i was in two minds whether is there

such a thing, previously i used to think its a psycological disorder

with someone's suppressed feelings, plz pardon for my saying so.

But i would like to narrate an incident , i dont know what catagory

should i put it in.Its for the learned friends to decide.BUT it

totally changed my perspective of thought.

 

After marriage , i kept on having numerous miscarriages, inspite of

all medical reports being right and my health kept detoriating.Then

one of my lecturer friend took me to a place,where with blessings of a

PEER baba's mazaar his devotee treated ppl too.As he saw me he said u

are under influence of magic.Some body has done so n so @ ur place.

and has invested interest in not having ur children.I was shocked to

listen to that. He requested us to change the place, we did, he came

to our place all way from the other city(without asking for any money)

i dont know what he did with a knife, drew some lines along with the

bed , the room.then he gave me a bottle of water, read some thing.That

bottle had to be with me all the time,even in the toilet.It was almost

tied to my body.

 

It was his instruction that this thing would happen again , but would

not be successful. and God yes,I was hospitalised for a week with

suspected problem with a very grave intensity . And in the 8 yr of my

marriage i was blessed by a child

 

MAY GOD BLESS HIM, for today i am mother of 2 kids.

 

Now , what was that? black magic?I am still intrigued.

 

 

~Regards~

 

Priyaa SP

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " shripaldalal " <shripaldalal>

wrote:

> Respected Iqbalji,

>

> Kind sir, you are correct. but that is different from black magic.

> when the word spirit comes in, it is called " wadgad " or possession.

> i have seen one such case by my own eyes. but yes you are correct,

> black magic can be used to get someone's body possessed.

>

> i just wish i would knew how to fight such things.

>

> regards,

> shripal dalal.

>

> lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:

> > Respected Shiripal Ji,

> >

> > Please forgive me, but I must retort what you have written. Black

> magic can lead to all of those conditions and more. It can lead one

> to be excessive (greedy) in a variety of activities depending on

the

> nature of the spirits involved and the methodology with which they

> have been secured. It also changes the intellectual, emotional and

> physical abilities and traits of a person so all of the below

> mentioned conditions are only a fragment of what can be altered.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Iqbal

> > Toronto, Canada

> >

> > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > Dear Mr Dube,

> >

> > these are not problems or symptoms of black magic that's for

sure.

> i

> > do not mean to be offensive, but these r symptoms of an evil

> person.

> > black magic does not, IT NEVER gives jealousy. also, black magic

> > symptoms are depression, failure, moving about in circles in

life,

> > sickness without any reason, madness, insanity etc. this is

> > certainly not black magic. i havent seen his chart but it's

common

> > sense.

> >

> > regards,

> > shripal dalal.

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , Priyank Dube <priyankdube>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Mr shripal

> > >

> > > He's person with increase of jealousy, frustration, greed,

> > selfishness, negativity and inability to accept other's happiness

> &

> > growth, sometime he suddenly starts abnormal behaviour in the

> sense

> > by creating unnecessary tension, creating family problems which

> > reaches to extreme, that nobody is able to control him. There are

> > quarrels in the family without any reason. please suggest what do

> we

> > can do.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Priyank

> > >

> > >

> > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > Dear mr dube,

> > >

> > > what exactly are the problems he is facing ? symptoms ?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > shripal.

> > >

> > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube

<priyankdube>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I am posting details of a person please analyze his details

> and

> > > tell do u think that this person is affected by Black Magic.

> > Please

> > > suggest some remedies also

> > > >

> > > > Details are :

> > > > DOB:7/01/1969

> > > > POB: RAJGARH(MP)

> > > > TOB: 33:32:0/GPV

> > > > Rashi: Leo

> > > > Lagna:Leo

> > > > Nakshtra: Magha

> > > > Paksh: Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Planet position in Horoscope:

> > > > 5-Moon

> > > > 6- Jup, Ketu

> > > > 7-Mars

> > > > 8-

> > > > 9-Sun

> > > > 10- Mercury

> > > > 11-venus

> > > > 12- Sat, Rahu

> > > > 1-

> > > > 2-

> > > > 3-

> > > > 4-

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Priyank

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > > Dear nishant saab,

> > > >

> > > > In my experience budh does not give black magic when in 6th

or

> > > 12th,

> > > > but it gives it when in 10th. 10th house budh if bad can

> really

> > > put

> > > > a person in trouble. personal experience.

> > > >

> > > > budh when in 8th house, such a person instead of receiving

> black

> > > > magic ends up doing these things on others. the person who

was

> > > > responsible for making my life very problematic had budh in

> 8th

> > > > house. lal kitab in some book i read stated that budh in 8th

> > house

> > > > wala jatak " gupt vidya janne wala hota hai " .

> > > >

> > > > budh means a vidya, a skill, an art. black magic itself is an

> > art.

> > > > in hindi they call it meli vidya (dirty vidya). people

> > > underestimate

> > > > it saying that it's just in the mind, but when they really

> have

> > to

> > > > go through it, they know the real implications.

> > > >

> > > > budh really gives black magic when conjoined with an ashubh

> > > mangal,

> > > > not shani or rahu. an ashubh mangal + budh is banavati shani

> > (rahu

> > > > svabhav) which itself is black magic. they say you can bury a

> > > flute

> > > > with sugar in it for that, but i dont know if anyone here has

> > > tried

> > > > that remedy (shani in seventh house). if it works then great.

> > > >

> > > > sir, i dont know how exactly budh plays mischief, but i know

> it

> > > > does. i have no knowledge of this art, but i have tremendous

> > > > experience because i have been victim to it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. "

> > > <nishant_aryan>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hello dalal ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with you fully that its a science,I also

> agree

> > > with

> > > > > you that budh plays a role as he is the karaka for magic

and

> > > > miracles

> > > > > and when he conjuncts with or aspected by Rahu or Shani

then

> > > makes

> > > > > the native a potential victim of BM.but budh has to be

> > afflicted

> > > a

> > > > > lot by his situation in 6,8 or 12 th houses in water signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > he mostly gives depression, failure, moving about in

> circles

> > in

> > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all

> > these

> > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic as correctly

> > > written

> > > > by

> > > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will be grateful if you explain the role of budh a

little

> > > more

> > > > and

> > > > > I'm with you on discussing this topic which has interested

> me

> > > > since I

> > > > > was a kid.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > NISHANT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal "

> > > > <shripaldalal>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Black magic HAS to be removed if it has been done on you.

> > > There

> > > > are

> > > > > > proper babas, tantrics to do this, but 90% are fake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jai saab, shani rahu ketu may be culprits, but never

> > > > underestimate

> > > > > > budh. it's the biggest karaka of black magic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as for indications, depression, failure, moving about in

> > > circles

> > > > in

> > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all

> > > these

> > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i have also seen that people in this group have taken the

> > > > subject

> > > > > of

> > > > > > black magic so lightly that they have ignored my previous

> > > pleas

> > > > to

> > > > > > address this great problem. people here dont realise that

> > > people

> > > > > who

> > > > > > ask for help over here may be afflicted by planets, but

> > could

> > > > have

> > > > > > also been afflicted by black magic. this group has taken

> > this

> > > > > > subject very lightly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know this is not documented in lal kitab, but black

> magic

> > is

> > > > very

> > > > > > much a science, which DOES HAVE very close ties to

> > astrology,

> > > > and

> > > > > > has put 40% of innocent people out there in a lot of

> trouble.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My friends, i really think that all of us should taken an

> > > > interest

> > > > > > on how to beat these dirty vidyas (black magic) using the

> > > > science

> > > > > of

> > > > > > lal kitab which will very much help a lot of people out

> > there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lalkitab , Jai Nahata

> <jaynahata@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn & Ketu are the main culprits for this.

> > > > > > > And Sun should be strengthened and culprites have to be

> > > > weakened

> > > > > > once it is

> > > > > > > proved that they are doing this mischief.

> > > > > > > Awaiting valuable insights from all the scholars,

> > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > > Jai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 6/15/05, Priyank <priyankdube> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I fully agree that Black Magic happens, but this is

> the

> > > > first

> > > > > > time i

> > > > > > > > have come to know that planets also plays and

> important

> > > role

> > > > in

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > Thank to all Gurujans.

> > > > > > > > I've also witnessed its victims

> > > > > > > > how can one protect self and family by all these

> things,

> > > > > > > > this should not done , but if someone has done it on

> > you ,

> > > > > > atleast

> > > > > > > > u should know about this and also know how u can

> protect

> > > > urself

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > all these.

> > > > > > > > can anybody tell who are masters of this all and

where

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Priyank

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. "

> > > > > > <nishant_aryan>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Khaan Sahab,

> > > > > > > > > you made a good point and I fully agree with Dalal

> ji

> > > that

> > > > > > Black

> > > > > > > > > Magic happens.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I've witnessed its victims and also met people who

> are

> > > > > masters

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > this all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But yes there are combinations of planets given in

> > Vedic

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > (I'm not sure about LK)which imply a person liable

> to

> > be

> > > > its

> > > > > > victim

> > > > > > > > > in due course of his/her life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rahu and Shani are biggest culprits of this all,

> plus

> > in

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > way Mangal is also a great player effecting Black

> > Magic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > LK only makes Mangal Badh as Karaka for all these

> > things.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sincerely

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal "

> > > > > > <shripaldalal>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > I have seen and experienced with my own two eyes

> > that

> > > > black

> > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > as real as the sun or the moon, and it truly is

> > > > powerful.

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > know that this group discounts black magic, but

do

> > > take

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > seriously, it truly can put someone in trouble.

If

> > > your

> > > > > > times are

> > > > > > > > > > bad (planets are bad) noone is going to bother

> > > troubling

> > > > > > you. But

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > your planets and time are good.... out of

jealousy

> > > > people

> > > > > do

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > > such things to make sure you dont enjoy your good

> > > times,

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > your good times bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhooshanpriya> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is just a hypothesis , I haven't got enough

> > > > empirical

> > > > > > > > > evidence

> > > > > > > > > > > yet , that Mercury and Rahu relationship

> indicates

> > > the

> > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu together in 3,8,9 & 12th house

> or

> > > > > > > > separately ,

> > > > > > > > > > > mercury in any of the 3 , 8 , 9 & 12th houses

> > while

> > > > the

> > > > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > of the 5 , 7 , 8 & 11th houses could cause a

> > malady

> > > > which

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > traced to any apparent reason.Normally such

> things

> > > are

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > credited

> > > > > > > > > > > to the evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Priya

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , SUSAN RANA

> > > > > > <susan.tyson@b...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that all is astrological, to have

> > black

> > > > magic

> > > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > for this to be effective i feel you would need

> to

> > > have

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination of planets that would allow this to

> > > happen.

> > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > su

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan_786 <rizkhan_786> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > To all respected members i have a question

> that

> > > how

> > > > a

> > > > > > layman

> > > > > > > > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > > > > > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad

> > > effect

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > one has done black magic on it because it is

> > fact

> > > > that

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > black

> > > > > > > > > > > > magic , i hope that all memebers participate

> and

> > > > share

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > khowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Respected Shripal,

 

I have seen dozens of cases of black magic, and witnessed exorcisms with my own eyes both abroad and in India. These discussions are too dear and broad to have on this board.

 

There are specific ways and techniques to solve these problems.

 

Perhaps we can follow-up offline in a discussion.

 

Regards,

Iqbalshripaldalal <shripaldalal wrote:

Respected Iqbalji,Kind sir, you are correct. but that is different from black magic. when the word spirit comes in, it is called "wadgad" or possession. i have seen one such case by my own eyes. but yes you are correct, black magic can be used to get someone's body possessed.i just wish i would knew how to fight such things.regards,shripal dalal.lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:> Respected Shiripal Ji,> > Please forgive me, but I must retort what you have written. Black magic can lead to all of those conditions and more. It can lead one to be excessive (greedy) in a variety of activities depending on the nature of the spirits involved and the methodology with which they have been secured. It also changes the intellectual, emotional and physical

abilities and traits of a person so all of the below mentioned conditions are only a fragment of what can be altered.> > Sincerely,> > Iqbal> Toronto, Canada> > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> Dear Mr Dube,> > these are not problems or symptoms of black magic that's for sure. i > do not mean to be offensive, but these r symptoms of an evil person. > black magic does not, IT NEVER gives jealousy. also, black magic > symptoms are depression, failure, moving about in circles in life, > sickness without any reason, madness, insanity etc. this is > certainly not black magic. i havent seen his chart but it's common > sense.> > regards,> shripal dalal.> > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube <priyankdube> > wrote:> > Dear Mr shripal> > >

> He's person with increase of jealousy, frustration, greed, > selfishness, negativity and inability to accept other's happiness & > growth, sometime he suddenly starts abnormal behaviour in the sense > by creating unnecessary tension, creating family problems which > reaches to extreme, that nobody is able to control him. There are > quarrels in the family without any reason. please suggest what do we > can do.> > > > Regards> > Priyank> > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > Dear mr dube,> > > > what exactly are the problems he is facing ? symptoms ?> > > > regards,> > shripal.> > > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube <priyankdube> > > wrote:> > > Dear Friends,> > > I am posting details of a

person please analyze his details and > > tell do u think that this person is affected by Black Magic. > Please > > suggest some remedies also> > > > > > Details are :> > > DOB:7/01/1969> > > POB: RAJGARH(MP)> > > TOB: 33:32:0/GPV> > > Rashi: Leo> > > Lagna:Leo> > > Nakshtra: Magha> > > Paksh: Krishna> > > > > > Planet position in Horoscope:> > > 5-Moon> > > 6- Jup, Ketu> > > 7-Mars> > > 8-> > > 9-Sun> > > 10- Mercury> > > 11-venus> > > 12- Sat, Rahu> > > 1-> > > 2-> > > 3-> > > 4-> > > > > > Regards> > > Priyank> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > Dear nishant saab,> > > > > > In my experience budh does not give black magic when in 6th or > > 12th, > > > but it gives it when in 10th. 10th house budh if bad can really > > put > > > a person in trouble. personal experience.> > > > > > budh when in 8th house, such a person instead of receiving black > > > magic ends up doing these things on others. the person who was > > > responsible for making my life very problematic had budh in 8th > > > house. lal kitab in some book i read stated that budh in 8th > house > > > wala jatak "gupt vidya janne wala hota hai".> > > > > > budh means a vidya, a skill, an art. black magic

itself is an > art. > > > in hindi they call it meli vidya (dirty vidya). people > > underestimate > > > it saying that it's just in the mind, but when they really have > to > > > go through it, they know the real implications.> > > > > > budh really gives black magic when conjoined with an ashubh > > mangal, > > > not shani or rahu. an ashubh mangal + budh is banavati shani > (rahu > > > svabhav) which itself is black magic. they say you can bury a > > flute > > > with sugar in it for that, but i dont know if anyone here has > > tried > > > that remedy (shani in seventh house). if it works then great.> > > > > > sir, i dont know how exactly budh plays mischief, but i know it > > > does. i have no knowledge of this art, but i have tremendous > > >

experience because i have been victim to it.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > lalkitab , "Nishant A.S." > > <nishant_aryan> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello dalal ji,> > > > > > > > I agree with you fully that its a science,I also agree > > with > > > > you that budh plays a role as he is the karaka for magic and > > > miracles > > > > and when he conjuncts with or aspected by Rahu or Shani then > > makes > > > > the native a potential victim of BM.but budh has to be > afflicted > > a > > > > lot by his situation in 6,8 or 12 th houses in water

signs.> > > > > > > > he mostly gives depression, failure, moving about in circles > in > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all > these > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic as correctly > > written > > > by > > > > you.> > > > > > > > I will be grateful if you explain the role of budh a little > > more > > > and > > > > I'm with you on discussing this topic which has interested me > > > since I > > > > was a kid.> > > > > > > > > > > > NISHANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab ,

"shripaldalal" > > > <shripaldalal> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > > > Black magic HAS to be removed if it has been done on you. > > There > > > are > > > > > proper babas, tantrics to do this, but 90% are fake.> > > > > > > > > > jai saab, shani rahu ketu may be culprits, but never > > > underestimate > > > > > budh. it's the biggest karaka of black magic.> > > > > > > > > > as for indications, depression, failure, moving about in > > circles > > > in > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all > > these > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic.> > > > > > > > > > i have

also seen that people in this group have taken the > > > subject > > > > of > > > > > black magic so lightly that they have ignored my previous > > pleas > > > to > > > > > address this great problem. people here dont realise that > > people > > > > who > > > > > ask for help over here may be afflicted by planets, but > could > > > have > > > > > also been afflicted by black magic. this group has taken > this > > > > > subject very lightly.> > > > > > > > > > I know this is not documented in lal kitab, but black magic > is > > > very > > > > > much a science, which DOES HAVE very close ties to > astrology, > > > and > > > > > has put 40% of innocent people out there in

a lot of trouble.> > > > > > > > > > My friends, i really think that all of us should taken an > > > interest > > > > > on how to beat these dirty vidyas (black magic) using the > > > science > > > > of > > > > > lal kitab which will very much help a lot of people out > there.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Jai Nahata <jaynahata@g...> > > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Rahu, Saturn & Ketu are the main culprits for this.> > > > > > And Sun should be strengthened and culprites have to be > > > weakened > > > > > once it is

> > > > > > proved that they are doing this mischief.> > > > > > Awaiting valuable insights from all the scholars,> > > > > > Best regards> > > > > > Jai> > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/15/05, Priyank <priyankdube> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that Black Magic happens, but this is the > > > first > > > > > time i> > > > > > > have come to know that planets also plays and important > > role > > > in > > > > > it.> > > > > > > Thank to all Gurujans.> > > > > > > I've also witnessed its victims> > > > > > > how can one protect self and family by all these things,> > >

> > > > this should not done , but if someone has done it on > you , > > > > > atleast> > > > > > > u should know about this and also know how u can protect > > > urself > > > > > by> > > > > > > all these.> > > > > > > can anybody tell who are masters of this all and where > one > > > can > > > > > find> > > > > > > them.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Priyank> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "Nishant A.S." > > > > > <nishant_aryan>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Khaan Sahab,> > > > > > > > you made a good point and I fully agree with Dalal ji > > that > > > > > Black> > > > > > > > Magic happens.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I've witnessed its victims and also met people who are > > > > masters > > > > > of> > > > > > > > this all.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But yes there are combinations of planets given in > Vedic > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > (I'm not sure about LK)which imply a person liable to > be > > > its > > > > > victim> > > > > > > > in due course of his/her

life.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rahu and Shani are biggest culprits of this all, plus > in > > > some> > > > > > > lesser> > > > > > > > way Mangal is also a great player effecting Black > Magic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > LK only makes Mangal Badh as Karaka for all these > things.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > NISHANT> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lalkitab , "shripaldalal" > > > > > <shripaldalal>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > I have seen and experienced

with my own two eyes > that > > > black > > > > > magic> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > as real as the sun or the moon, and it truly is > > > powerful. > > > > > please> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > know that this group discounts black magic, but do > > take > > > it> > > > > > > > > seriously, it truly can put someone in trouble. If > > your > > > > > times are> > > > > > > > > bad (planets are bad) noone is going to bother > > troubling > > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > your planets and time are good.... out of jealousy > > > people > > > > do

> > > > > use> > > > > > > > > such things to make sure you dont enjoy your good > > times, > > > > they> > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > your good times bad.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "bhooshanpriya"> > > > > > > > > <bhooshanpriya> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It is just a hypothesis , I haven't got enough > > > empirical> > > > > > > > evidence> > > > > > > > > > yet , that

Mercury and Rahu relationship indicates > > the> > > > > > > influence> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > evil spirits.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu together in 3,8,9 & 12th house or> > > > > > > separately ,> > > > > > > > > > mercury in any of the 3 , 8 , 9 & 12th houses > while > > > the > > > > > Rahu in> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > of the 5 , 7 , 8 & 11th houses could cause a > malady > > > which > > > > > can> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > >

traced to any apparent reason.Normally such things > > are > > > > then> > > > > > > > > credited> > > > > > > > > > to the evil spirits.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sincerely,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Priya> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , SUSAN RANA > > > > > <susan.tyson@b...>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > I believe that all is astrological, to have > black > > > magic > > > > > done> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > for this to be effective i feel you would need to > > have > > > the> > > > > > > > > > combination of planets that would allow this to > > happen.> > > > > > > > > > > kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > su> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan_786 <rizkhan_786>

wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > To all respected members i have a question that > > how > > > a > > > > > layman> > > > > > > > > > determine> > > > > > > > > > > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad > > effect > > > of> > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > one has done black magic on it because it is > fact > > > that > > > > > people> > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > black> > > > > > > > > > > magic , i hope that all memebers participate and > > > share > > >

> > their> > > > > > > > > > khowledge> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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hello iqbal ji and shripal ji,

 

what you both have discussed is a good matter content on this

topic,as already written before I too have experienced its effects on

victims, and witnessed the conditions.

 

what I want to add is that most of the times the victims dont even

know that they have been targeted by black magic,they keep suffering

and think its because of times or just because its life's natural

journey, well there are very few remedies once you are bitten by

black magic bug.

 

but the dashas of planets play a major role,specailly dasha of 6th

lord if afflicted with some connection with the 8th house does make

the victim a potential target of black magic.

 

Sinc.

 

NISHANT

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:

> Respected Shripal,

>

> I have seen dozens of cases of black magic, and witnessed exorcisms

with my own eyes both abroad and in India. These discussions are too

dear and broad to have on this board.

>

> There are specific ways and techniques to solve these problems.

>

> Perhaps we can follow-up offline in a discussion.

>

> Regards,

> Iqbal

>

> shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> Respected Iqbalji,

>

> Kind sir, you are correct. but that is different from black magic.

> when the word spirit comes in, it is called " wadgad " or possession.

> i have seen one such case by my own eyes. but yes you are correct,

> black magic can be used to get someone's body possessed.

>

> i just wish i would knew how to fight such things.

>

> regards,

> shripal dalal.

>

> lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:

> > Respected Shiripal Ji,

> >

> > Please forgive me, but I must retort what you have written. Black

> magic can lead to all of those conditions and more. It can lead one

> to be excessive (greedy) in a variety of activities depending on

the

> nature of the spirits involved and the methodology with which they

> have been secured. It also changes the intellectual, emotional and

> physical abilities and traits of a person so all of the below

> mentioned conditions are only a fragment of what can be altered.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Iqbal

> > Toronto, Canada

> >

> > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > Dear Mr Dube,

> >

> > these are not problems or symptoms of black magic that's for

sure.

> i

> > do not mean to be offensive, but these r symptoms of an evil

> person.

> > black magic does not, IT NEVER gives jealousy. also, black magic

> > symptoms are depression, failure, moving about in circles in

life,

> > sickness without any reason, madness, insanity etc. this is

> > certainly not black magic. i havent seen his chart but it's

common

> > sense.

> >

> > regards,

> > shripal dalal.

> >

> >

> > lalkitab , Priyank Dube <priyankdube>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Mr shripal

> > >

> > > He's person with increase of jealousy, frustration, greed,

> > selfishness, negativity and inability to accept other's happiness

> &

> > growth, sometime he suddenly starts abnormal behaviour in the

> sense

> > by creating unnecessary tension, creating family problems which

> > reaches to extreme, that nobody is able to control him. There are

> > quarrels in the family without any reason. please suggest what do

> we

> > can do.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Priyank

> > >

> > >

> > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > Dear mr dube,

> > >

> > > what exactly are the problems he is facing ? symptoms ?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > shripal.

> > >

> > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube

<priyankdube>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I am posting details of a person please analyze his details

> and

> > > tell do u think that this person is affected by Black Magic.

> > Please

> > > suggest some remedies also

> > > >

> > > > Details are :

> > > > DOB:7/01/1969

> > > > POB: RAJGARH(MP)

> > > > TOB: 33:32:0/GPV

> > > > Rashi: Leo

> > > > Lagna:Leo

> > > > Nakshtra: Magha

> > > > Paksh: Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Planet position in Horoscope:

> > > > 5-Moon

> > > > 6- Jup, Ketu

> > > > 7-Mars

> > > > 8-

> > > > 9-Sun

> > > > 10- Mercury

> > > > 11-venus

> > > > 12- Sat, Rahu

> > > > 1-

> > > > 2-

> > > > 3-

> > > > 4-

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Priyank

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > > Dear nishant saab,

> > > >

> > > > In my experience budh does not give black magic when in 6th

or

> > > 12th,

> > > > but it gives it when in 10th. 10th house budh if bad can

> really

> > > put

> > > > a person in trouble. personal experience.

> > > >

> > > > budh when in 8th house, such a person instead of receiving

> black

> > > > magic ends up doing these things on others. the person who

was

> > > > responsible for making my life very problematic had budh in

> 8th

> > > > house. lal kitab in some book i read stated that budh in 8th

> > house

> > > > wala jatak " gupt vidya janne wala hota hai " .

> > > >

> > > > budh means a vidya, a skill, an art. black magic itself is an

> > art.

> > > > in hindi they call it meli vidya (dirty vidya). people

> > > underestimate

> > > > it saying that it's just in the mind, but when they really

> have

> > to

> > > > go through it, they know the real implications.

> > > >

> > > > budh really gives black magic when conjoined with an ashubh

> > > mangal,

> > > > not shani or rahu. an ashubh mangal + budh is banavati shani

> > (rahu

> > > > svabhav) which itself is black magic. they say you can bury a

> > > flute

> > > > with sugar in it for that, but i dont know if anyone here has

> > > tried

> > > > that remedy (shani in seventh house). if it works then great.

> > > >

> > > > sir, i dont know how exactly budh plays mischief, but i know

> it

> > > > does. i have no knowledge of this art, but i have tremendous

> > > > experience because i have been victim to it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. "

> > > <nishant_aryan>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hello dalal ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with you fully that its a science,I also

> agree

> > > with

> > > > > you that budh plays a role as he is the karaka for magic

and

> > > > miracles

> > > > > and when he conjuncts with or aspected by Rahu or Shani

then

> > > makes

> > > > > the native a potential victim of BM.but budh has to be

> > afflicted

> > > a

> > > > > lot by his situation in 6,8 or 12 th houses in water signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > he mostly gives depression, failure, moving about in

> circles

> > in

> > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all

> > these

> > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic as correctly

> > > written

> > > > by

> > > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will be grateful if you explain the role of budh a

little

> > > more

> > > > and

> > > > > I'm with you on discussing this topic which has interested

> me

> > > > since I

> > > > > was a kid.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > NISHANT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal "

> > > > <shripaldalal>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Black magic HAS to be removed if it has been done on you.

> > > There

> > > > are

> > > > > > proper babas, tantrics to do this, but 90% are fake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jai saab, shani rahu ketu may be culprits, but never

> > > > underestimate

> > > > > > budh. it's the biggest karaka of black magic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as for indications, depression, failure, moving about in

> > > circles

> > > > in

> > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all

> > > these

> > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i have also seen that people in this group have taken the

> > > > subject

> > > > > of

> > > > > > black magic so lightly that they have ignored my previous

> > > pleas

> > > > to

> > > > > > address this great problem. people here dont realise that

> > > people

> > > > > who

> > > > > > ask for help over here may be afflicted by planets, but

> > could

> > > > have

> > > > > > also been afflicted by black magic. this group has taken

> > this

> > > > > > subject very lightly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know this is not documented in lal kitab, but black

> magic

> > is

> > > > very

> > > > > > much a science, which DOES HAVE very close ties to

> > astrology,

> > > > and

> > > > > > has put 40% of innocent people out there in a lot of

> trouble.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My friends, i really think that all of us should taken an

> > > > interest

> > > > > > on how to beat these dirty vidyas (black magic) using the

> > > > science

> > > > > of

> > > > > > lal kitab which will very much help a lot of people out

> > there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lalkitab , Jai Nahata

> <jaynahata@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn & Ketu are the main culprits for this.

> > > > > > > And Sun should be strengthened and culprites have to be

> > > > weakened

> > > > > > once it is

> > > > > > > proved that they are doing this mischief.

> > > > > > > Awaiting valuable insights from all the scholars,

> > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > > Jai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 6/15/05, Priyank <priyankdube> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I fully agree that Black Magic happens, but this is

> the

> > > > first

> > > > > > time i

> > > > > > > > have come to know that planets also plays and

> important

> > > role

> > > > in

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > Thank to all Gurujans.

> > > > > > > > I've also witnessed its victims

> > > > > > > > how can one protect self and family by all these

> things,

> > > > > > > > this should not done , but if someone has done it on

> > you ,

> > > > > > atleast

> > > > > > > > u should know about this and also know how u can

> protect

> > > > urself

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > all these.

> > > > > > > > can anybody tell who are masters of this all and

where

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Priyank

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. "

> > > > > > <nishant_aryan>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Khaan Sahab,

> > > > > > > > > you made a good point and I fully agree with Dalal

> ji

> > > that

> > > > > > Black

> > > > > > > > > Magic happens.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I've witnessed its victims and also met people who

> are

> > > > > masters

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > this all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But yes there are combinations of planets given in

> > Vedic

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > (I'm not sure about LK)which imply a person liable

> to

> > be

> > > > its

> > > > > > victim

> > > > > > > > > in due course of his/her life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rahu and Shani are biggest culprits of this all,

> plus

> > in

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > way Mangal is also a great player effecting Black

> > Magic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > LK only makes Mangal Badh as Karaka for all these

> > things.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sincerely

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal "

> > > > > > <shripaldalal>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > I have seen and experienced with my own two eyes

> > that

> > > > black

> > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > as real as the sun or the moon, and it truly is

> > > > powerful.

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > know that this group discounts black magic, but

do

> > > take

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > seriously, it truly can put someone in trouble.

If

> > > your

> > > > > > times are

> > > > > > > > > > bad (planets are bad) noone is going to bother

> > > troubling

> > > > > > you. But

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > your planets and time are good.... out of

jealousy

> > > > people

> > > > > do

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > > such things to make sure you dont enjoy your good

> > > times,

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > your good times bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhooshanpriya> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is just a hypothesis , I haven't got enough

> > > > empirical

> > > > > > > > > evidence

> > > > > > > > > > > yet , that Mercury and Rahu relationship

> indicates

> > > the

> > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu together in 3,8,9 & 12th house

> or

> > > > > > > > separately ,

> > > > > > > > > > > mercury in any of the 3 , 8 , 9 & 12th houses

> > while

> > > > the

> > > > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > of the 5 , 7 , 8 & 11th houses could cause a

> > malady

> > > > which

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > traced to any apparent reason.Normally such

> things

> > > are

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > credited

> > > > > > > > > > > to the evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Priya

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , SUSAN RANA

> > > > > > <susan.tyson@b...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that all is astrological, to have

> > black

> > > > magic

> > > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > for this to be effective i feel you would need

> to

> > > have

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination of planets that would allow this to

> > > happen.

> > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > su

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan_786 <rizkhan_786> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > To all respected members i have a question

> that

> > > how

> > > > a

> > > > > > layman

> > > > > > > > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > > > > > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad

> > > effect

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > one has done black magic on it because it is

> > fact

> > > > that

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > black

> > > > > > > > > > > > magic , i hope that all memebers participate

> and

> > > > share

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > khowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shripalji,

 

Would you be kind enough to enumerate some of the tried and tested(by you or someone known to you) remedies those worked well in this regard. We need to make people equipped to fight such things. Knowledge is only reliable weapon against ignorance.

 

Thanking you in advance,

 

Best regards

 

Jai

 

 

On 7/3/05, shripaldalal <shripaldalal wrote:

Dear Nishant saab,It is true that most of the times victims dont know that they areafflicted by black magic. very true. that's y they say that the

better you know your enemy the better you can fight him.As far as in my experience I think black magic is signified by thetenth house. I am not as learned as other people over here but Ithink that " andhi kundli " is also somewhat linked to black magic. I

think budh in tenth house also brings a lot of black magic on aperson (personal experience, since i have budh in tenth and i knowothers too who have budh in tenth house)But one thing i know for sure is that proper/simple remedies of lal

kitab if done correctly for 43 days can truly end black magic.regards,shripal dalal.lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. " <nishant_aryan@y

....>wrote:> ->> hello iqbal ji and shripal ji,>> what you both have discussed is a good matter content on this> topic,as already written before I too have experienced its effects

on> victims, and witnessed the conditions.>> what I want to add is that most of the times the victims donteven> know that they have been targeted by black magic,they keepsuffering

> and think its because of times or just because its life's natural> journey, well there are very few remedies once you are bitten by> black magic bug.>> but the dashas of planets play a major role,specailly dasha of 6th

> lord if afflicted with some connection with the 8th house doesmake> the victim a potential target of black magic.>> Sinc.>> NISHANT>>>>>

>> -- In lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:> > Respected Shripal,> >> > I have seen dozens of cases of black magic, and witnessed

exorcisms> with my own eyes both abroad and in India. These discussions aretoo> dear and broad to have on this board.> >> > There are specific ways and techniques to solve these problems.

> >> > Perhaps we can follow-up offline in a discussion.> >> > Regards,> > Iqbal> >> > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > Respected Iqbalji,

> >> > Kind sir, you are correct. but that is different from blackmagic.> > when the word spirit comes in, it is called " wadgad " orpossession.> > i have seen one such case by my own eyes. but yes you are

correct,> > black magic can be used to get someone's body possessed.> >> > i just wish i would knew how to fight such things.> >> > regards,> > shripal dalal.

> >> > lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug>wrote:> > > Respected Shiripal Ji,> > >> > > Please forgive me, but I must retort what you have written.

Black> > magic can lead to all of those conditions and more. It can leadone> > to be excessive (greedy) in a variety of activities depending on> the> > nature of the spirits involved and the methodology with which

they> > have been secured. It also changes the intellectual, emotionaland> > physical abilities and traits of a person so all of the below> > mentioned conditions are only a fragment of what can be altered.

> > >> > > Sincerely,> > >> > > Iqbal> > > Toronto, Canada> > >> > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > Dear Mr Dube,

> > >> > > these are not problems or symptoms of black magic that's for> sure.> > i> > > do not mean to be offensive, but these r symptoms of an evil> > person.

> > > black magic does not, IT NEVER gives jealousy. also, blackmagic> > > symptoms are depression, failure, moving about in circles in> life,> > > sickness without any reason, madness, insanity etc. this is

> > > certainly not black magic. i havent seen his chart but it's> common> > > sense.> > >> > > regards,> > > shripal dalal.> > >> > >

> > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube<priyankdube>> > > wrote:> > > > Dear Mr shripal> > > >

> > > > He's person with increase of jealousy, frustration, greed,> > > selfishness, negativity and inability to accept other'shappiness> > & > > > growth, sometime he suddenly starts abnormal behaviour in the

> > sense> > > by creating unnecessary tension, creating family problemswhich> > > reaches to extreme, that nobody is able to control him. Thereare> > > quarrels in the family without any reason. please suggest what

do> > we> > > can do.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Priyank> > > >> > > >> > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal@y

....> wrote:> > > > Dear mr dube,> > > >> > > > what exactly are the problems he is facing ? symptoms ?> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > shripal.

> > > >> > > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube> <priyankdube>> > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > I am posting details of a person please analyze hisdetails> > and> > > > tell do u think that this person is affected by Black Magic.> > > Please

> > > > suggest some remedies also> > > > >> > > > > Details are :> > > > > DOB:7/01/1969> > > > > POB: RAJGARH(MP)> > > > > TOB: 33:32:0/GPV

> > > > > Rashi: Leo> > > > > Lagna:Leo> > > > > Nakshtra: Magha> > > > > Paksh: Krishna> > > > >> > > > > Planet position in Horoscope:

> > > > > 5-Moon> > > > > 6- Jup, Ketu> > > > > 7-Mars> > > > > 8-> > > > > 9-Sun> > > > > 10- Mercury> > > > > 11-venus

> > > > > 12- Sat, Rahu> > > > > 1-> > > > > 2-> > > > > 3-> > > > > 4-> > > > >> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Priyank> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > > > Dear nishant saab,> > > > >> > > > > In my experience budh does not give black magic when in

6th> or> > > > 12th,> > > > > but it gives it when in 10th. 10th house budh if bad can> > really> > > > put> > > > > a person in trouble. personal experience.

> > > > >> > > > > budh when in 8th house, such a person instead of receiving> > black> > > > > magic ends up doing these things on others. the person who

> was> > > > > responsible for making my life very problematic had budhin> > 8th> > > > > house. lal kitab in some book i read stated that budh in8th> > > house

> > > > > wala jatak " gupt vidya janne wala hota hai " .> > > > >> > > > > budh means a vidya, a skill, an art. black magic itself isan> > > art.

> > > > > in hindi they call it meli vidya (dirty vidya). people> > > > underestimate> > > > > it saying that it's just in the mind, but when they really> > have

> > > to> > > > > go through it, they know the real implications.> > > > >> > > > > budh really gives black magic when conjoined with anashubh> > > > mangal,

> > > > > not shani or rahu. an ashubh mangal + budh is banavatishani> > > (rahu> > > > > svabhav) which itself is black magic. they say you canbury a> > > > flute

> > > > > with sugar in it for that, but i dont know if anyone herehas> > > > tried> > > > > that remedy (shani in seventh house). if it works thengreat.> > > > >

> > > > > sir, i dont know how exactly budh plays mischief, but iknow> > it> > > > > does. i have no knowledge of this art, but i havetremendous> > > > > experience because i have been victim to it.

> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > >> > > > > lalkitab

, " Nishant A.S. " > > > > <nishant_aryan>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > hello dalal ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree with you fully that its a science,I also> > agree> > > > with

> > > > > > you that budh plays a role as he is the karaka for magic> and> > > > > miracles> > > > > > and when he conjuncts with or aspected by Rahu or Shani

> then> > > > makes> > > > > > the native a potential victim of BM.but budh has to be> > > afflicted> > > > a> > > > > > lot by his situation in 6,8 or 12 th houses in water

signs.> > > > > >> > > > > > he mostly gives depression, failure, moving about in> > circles> > > in> > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity,

all> > > these> > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic ascorrectly> > > > written> > > > > by> > > > > > you.

> > > > > >> > > > > > I will be grateful if you explain the role of budh a> little> > > > more> > > > > and> > > > > > I'm with you on discussing this topic which has

interested> > me> > > > > since I> > > > > > was a kid.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > lalkitab

, " shripaldalal " > > > > > <shripaldalal>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Black magic HAS to be removed if it has been done on

you.> > > > There> > > > > are> > > > > > > proper babas, tantrics to do this, but 90% are fake.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > jai saab, shani rahu ketu may be culprits, but never

> > > > > underestimate> > > > > > > budh. it's the biggest karaka of black magic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > as for indications, depression, failure, moving about

in> > > > circles> > > > > in> > > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity,all> > > > these> > > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i have also seen that people in this group have takenthe> > > > > subject> > > > > > of> > > > > > > black magic so lightly that they have ignored my

previous> > > > pleas> > > > > to> > > > > > > address this great problem. people here dont realisethat> > > > people> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > ask for help over here may be afflicted by planets,but> > > could> > > > > have> > > > > > > also been afflicted by black magic. this group has

taken> > > this> > > > > > > subject very lightly.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I know this is not documented in lal kitab, but black

> > magic> > > is> > > > > very> > > > > > > much a science, which DOES HAVE very close ties to> > > astrology,> > > > > and

> > > > > > > has put 40% of innocent people out there in a lot of> > trouble.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My friends, i really think that all of us should taken

an> > > > > interest> > > > > > > on how to beat these dirty vidyas (black magic) usingthe> > > > > science> > > > > > of> > > > > > > lal kitab which will very much help a lot of people

out> > > there.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lalkitab , Jai Nahata> > <jaynahata@g...>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn & Ketu are the main culprits for this.> > > > > > > > And Sun should be strengthened and culprites have tobe> > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > once it is> > > > > > > > proved that they are doing this mischief.> > > > > > > > Awaiting valuable insights from all the scholars,

> > > > > > > > Best regards> > > > > > > > Jai> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 6/15/05, Priyank <priyankdube@y

....> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I fully agree that Black Magic happens, but thisis> > the> > > > > first> > > > > > > time i

> > > > > > > > > have come to know that planets also plays and> > important> > > > role> > > > > in> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > Thank to all Gurujans.> > > > > > > > > I've also witnessed its victims> > > > > > > > > how can one protect self and family by all these

> > things,> > > > > > > > > this should not done , but if someone has done iton> > > you ,> > > > > > > atleast> > > > > > > > > u should know about this and also know how u can

> > protect> > > > > urself> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > all these.> > > > > > > > > can anybody tell who are masters of this all and

> where> > > one> > > > > can> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > them.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Priyank> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. " > > > > > > > <nishant_aryan>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Khaan Sahab,> > > > > > > > > > you made a good point and I fully agree with

Dalal> > ji> > > > that> > > > > > > Black> > > > > > > > > > Magic happens.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've witnessed its victims and also met people

who> > are> > > > > > masters> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > this all.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But yes there are combinations of planets givenin> > > Vedic> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > (I'm not sure about LK)which imply a person

liable> > to> > > be> > > > > its> > > > > > > victim> > > > > > > > > > in due course of his/her life.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Shani are biggest culprits of this all,> > plus> > > in> > > > > some> > > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > > way Mangal is also a great player effectingBlack> > > Magic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > LK only makes Mangal Badh as Karaka for all

these> > > things.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal " > > > > > > > <

shripaldalal>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > I have seen and experienced with my own twoeyes> > > that> > > > > black

> > > > > > > magic> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > as real as the sun or the moon, and it trulyis> > > > > powerful.

> > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > know that this group discounts black magic,but> do> > > > take

> > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > seriously, it truly can put someone introuble.> If> > > > your> > > > > > > times are

> > > > > > > > > > > bad (planets are bad) noone is going to bother> > > > troubling> > > > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > your planets and time are good.... out of> jealousy> > > > > people> > > > > > do> > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > > > such things to make sure you dont enjoy yourgood> > > > times,> > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > your good times bad.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- Inlalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > > > > > > > > > <

bhooshanpriya> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is just a hypothesis , I haven't got

enough> > > > > empirical> > > > > > > > > > evidence> > > > > > > > > > > > yet , that Mercury and Rahu relationship> > indicates

> > > > the> > > > > > > > > influence> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu together in 3,8,9 & 12thhouse> > or> > > > > > > > > separately ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury in any of the 3 , 8 , 9 & 12thhouses> > > while> > > > > the> > > > > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > of the 5 , 7 , 8 & 11th houses could cause a> > > malady> > > > > which

> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > traced to any apparent reason.Normally such> > things> > > > are> > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > credited> > > > > > > > > > > > to the evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Priya> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

lalkitab , SUSAN RANA> > > > > > > <susan.tyson@b...>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that all is astrological, to

have> > > black> > > > > magic> > > > > > > done> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > for this to be effective i feel you would

need> > to> > > > have> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > combination of planets that would allow thisto> > > > happen.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > su> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan_786 <rizkhan_786> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > To all respected members i have a question

> > that> > > > how> > > > > a> > > > > > > layman> > > > > > > > > > > > determine> > > > > > > > > > > > > that difficulties one is facing is due to

bad> > > > effect> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one has done black magic on it because itis> > > fact> > > > > that> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > black> > > > > > > > > > > > > magic , i hope that all memebers

participate> > and> > > > > share> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > khowledge> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

hello dalal ji,

 

well i'm not sure abt 10th house and BM acc to LK, but wht i know is

tht Mangal Badh is reg as the karaka fro all these things in LK,

acc to vedic i already wrote to u lord of 6 th house and 8th house

relate to this BM things.

 

Now there is one question i wud like to put,wht happens to the person

who does this to some innocent human,just out of jealosy or ill

feeling, is tht culprit ever punished acc. to GOD's judegement or not.

 

 

Sinc.

 

NISHANT

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " shripaldalal " <shripaldalal>

wrote:

> Dear Nishant saab,

>

> It is true that most of the times victims dont know that they are

> afflicted by black magic. very true. that's y they say that the

> better you know your enemy the better you can fight him.

>

> As far as in my experience I think black magic is signified by the

> tenth house. I am not as learned as other people over here but I

> think that " andhi kundli " is also somewhat linked to black magic. I

> think budh in tenth house also brings a lot of black magic on a

> person (personal experience, since i have budh in tenth and i know

> others too who have budh in tenth house)

>

> But one thing i know for sure is that proper/simple remedies of lal

> kitab if done correctly for 43 days can truly end black magic.

>

> regards,

> shripal dalal.

>

> lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. "

<nishant_aryan>

> wrote:

> > -

> >

> > hello iqbal ji and shripal ji,

> >

> > what you both have discussed is a good matter content on this

> > topic,as already written before I too have experienced its

effects

> on

> > victims, and witnessed the conditions.

> >

> > what I want to add is that most of the times the victims dont

> even

> > know that they have been targeted by black magic,they keep

> suffering

> > and think its because of times or just because its life's natural

> > journey, well there are very few remedies once you are bitten by

> > black magic bug.

> >

> > but the dashas of planets play a major role,specailly dasha of

6th

> > lord if afflicted with some connection with the 8th house does

> make

> > the victim a potential target of black magic.

> >

> > Sinc.

> >

> > NISHANT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:

> > > Respected Shripal,

> > >

> > > I have seen dozens of cases of black magic, and witnessed

> exorcisms

> > with my own eyes both abroad and in India. These discussions are

> too

> > dear and broad to have on this board.

> > >

> > > There are specific ways and techniques to solve these problems.

> > >

> > > Perhaps we can follow-up offline in a discussion.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Iqbal

> > >

> > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > Respected Iqbalji,

> > >

> > > Kind sir, you are correct. but that is different from black

> magic.

> > > when the word spirit comes in, it is called " wadgad " or

> possession.

> > > i have seen one such case by my own eyes. but yes you are

> correct,

> > > black magic can be used to get someone's body possessed.

> > >

> > > i just wish i would knew how to fight such things.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > shripal dalal.

> > >

> > > lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug>

> wrote:

> > > > Respected Shiripal Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please forgive me, but I must retort what you have written.

> Black

> > > magic can lead to all of those conditions and more. It can lead

> one

> > > to be excessive (greedy) in a variety of activities depending

on

> > the

> > > nature of the spirits involved and the methodology with which

> they

> > > have been secured. It also changes the intellectual, emotional

> and

> > > physical abilities and traits of a person so all of the below

> > > mentioned conditions are only a fragment of what can be altered.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Iqbal

> > > > Toronto, Canada

> > > >

> > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > > Dear Mr Dube,

> > > >

> > > > these are not problems or symptoms of black magic that's for

> > sure.

> > > i

> > > > do not mean to be offensive, but these r symptoms of an evil

> > > person.

> > > > black magic does not, IT NEVER gives jealousy. also, black

> magic

> > > > symptoms are depression, failure, moving about in circles in

> > life,

> > > > sickness without any reason, madness, insanity etc. this is

> > > > certainly not black magic. i havent seen his chart but it's

> > common

> > > > sense.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > shripal dalal.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube

> <priyankdube>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Mr shripal

> > > > >

> > > > > He's person with increase of jealousy, frustration, greed,

> > > > selfishness, negativity and inability to accept other's

> happiness

> > > &

> > > > growth, sometime he suddenly starts abnormal behaviour in the

> > > sense

> > > > by creating unnecessary tension, creating family problems

> which

> > > > reaches to extreme, that nobody is able to control him. There

> are

> > > > quarrels in the family without any reason. please suggest

what

> do

> > > we

> > > > can do.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Priyank

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > > > Dear mr dube,

> > > > >

> > > > > what exactly are the problems he is facing ? symptoms ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > shripal.

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube

> > <priyankdube>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > I am posting details of a person please analyze his

> details

> > > and

> > > > > tell do u think that this person is affected by Black

Magic.

> > > > Please

> > > > > suggest some remedies also

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Details are :

> > > > > > DOB:7/01/1969

> > > > > > POB: RAJGARH(MP)

> > > > > > TOB: 33:32:0/GPV

> > > > > > Rashi: Leo

> > > > > > Lagna:Leo

> > > > > > Nakshtra: Magha

> > > > > > Paksh: Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Planet position in Horoscope:

> > > > > > 5-Moon

> > > > > > 6- Jup, Ketu

> > > > > > 7-Mars

> > > > > > 8-

> > > > > > 9-Sun

> > > > > > 10- Mercury

> > > > > > 11-venus

> > > > > > 12- Sat, Rahu

> > > > > > 1-

> > > > > > 2-

> > > > > > 3-

> > > > > > 4-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Priyank

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear nishant saab,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my experience budh does not give black magic when in

> 6th

> > or

> > > > > 12th,

> > > > > > but it gives it when in 10th. 10th house budh if bad can

> > > really

> > > > > put

> > > > > > a person in trouble. personal experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > budh when in 8th house, such a person instead of

receiving

> > > black

> > > > > > magic ends up doing these things on others. the person

who

> > was

> > > > > > responsible for making my life very problematic had budh

> in

> > > 8th

> > > > > > house. lal kitab in some book i read stated that budh in

> 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > wala jatak " gupt vidya janne wala hota hai " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > budh means a vidya, a skill, an art. black magic itself

is

> an

> > > > art.

> > > > > > in hindi they call it meli vidya (dirty vidya). people

> > > > > underestimate

> > > > > > it saying that it's just in the mind, but when they

really

> > > have

> > > > to

> > > > > > go through it, they know the real implications.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > budh really gives black magic when conjoined with an

> ashubh

> > > > > mangal,

> > > > > > not shani or rahu. an ashubh mangal + budh is banavati

> shani

> > > > (rahu

> > > > > > svabhav) which itself is black magic. they say you can

> bury a

> > > > > flute

> > > > > > with sugar in it for that, but i dont know if anyone here

> has

> > > > > tried

> > > > > > that remedy (shani in seventh house). if it works then

> great.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sir, i dont know how exactly budh plays mischief, but i

> know

> > > it

> > > > > > does. i have no knowledge of this art, but i have

> tremendous

> > > > > > experience because i have been victim to it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. "

> > > > > <nishant_aryan>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hello dalal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree with you fully that its a science,I also

> > > agree

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > you that budh plays a role as he is the karaka for

magic

> > and

> > > > > > miracles

> > > > > > > and when he conjuncts with or aspected by Rahu or Shani

> > then

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > > the native a potential victim of BM.but budh has to be

> > > > afflicted

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > lot by his situation in 6,8 or 12 th houses in water

> signs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he mostly gives depression, failure, moving about in

> > > circles

> > > > in

> > > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity,

> all

> > > > these

> > > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic as

> correctly

> > > > > written

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will be grateful if you explain the role of budh a

> > little

> > > > > more

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > I'm with you on discussing this topic which has

> interested

> > > me

> > > > > > since I

> > > > > > > was a kid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal "

> > > > > > <shripaldalal>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Black magic HAS to be removed if it has been done on

> you.

> > > > > There

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > proper babas, tantrics to do this, but 90% are fake.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jai saab, shani rahu ketu may be culprits, but never

> > > > > > underestimate

> > > > > > > > budh. it's the biggest karaka of black magic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as for indications, depression, failure, moving about

> in

> > > > > circles

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity,

> all

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i have also seen that people in this group have taken

> the

> > > > > > subject

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > black magic so lightly that they have ignored my

> previous

> > > > > pleas

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > address this great problem. people here dont realise

> that

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > ask for help over here may be afflicted by planets,

> but

> > > > could

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > also been afflicted by black magic. this group has

> taken

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > subject very lightly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know this is not documented in lal kitab, but black

> > > magic

> > > > is

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > much a science, which DOES HAVE very close ties to

> > > > astrology,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > has put 40% of innocent people out there in a lot of

> > > trouble.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My friends, i really think that all of us should

taken

> an

> > > > > > interest

> > > > > > > > on how to beat these dirty vidyas (black magic) using

> the

> > > > > > science

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > lal kitab which will very much help a lot of people

> out

> > > > there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lalkitab , Jai Nahata

> > > <jaynahata@g...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn & Ketu are the main culprits for this.

> > > > > > > > > And Sun should be strengthened and culprites have

to

> be

> > > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > once it is

> > > > > > > > > proved that they are doing this mischief.

> > > > > > > > > Awaiting valuable insights from all the scholars,

> > > > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > > > > Jai

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 6/15/05, Priyank <priyankdube> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that Black Magic happens, but this

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > time i

> > > > > > > > > > have come to know that planets also plays and

> > > important

> > > > > role

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > Thank to all Gurujans.

> > > > > > > > > > I've also witnessed its victims

> > > > > > > > > > how can one protect self and family by all these

> > > things,

> > > > > > > > > > this should not done , but if someone has done it

> on

> > > > you ,

> > > > > > > > atleast

> > > > > > > > > > u should know about this and also know how u can

> > > protect

> > > > > > urself

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > all these.

> > > > > > > > > > can anybody tell who are masters of this all and

> > where

> > > > one

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Priyank

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. "

> > > > > > > > <nishant_aryan>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Khaan Sahab,

> > > > > > > > > > > you made a good point and I fully agree with

> Dalal

> > > ji

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > Black

> > > > > > > > > > > Magic happens.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I've witnessed its victims and also met people

> who

> > > are

> > > > > > > masters

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > this all.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But yes there are combinations of planets given

> in

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > (I'm not sure about LK)which imply a person

> liable

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > victim

> > > > > > > > > > > in due course of his/her life.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Shani are biggest culprits of this

all,

> > > plus

> > > > in

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > > > > way Mangal is also a great player effecting

> Black

> > > > Magic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > LK only makes Mangal Badh as Karaka for all

> these

> > > > things.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal "

> > > > > > > > <shripaldalal>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen and experienced with my own two

> eyes

> > > > that

> > > > > > black

> > > > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > as real as the sun or the moon, and it truly

> is

> > > > > > powerful.

> > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > know that this group discounts black magic,

> but

> > do

> > > > > take

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > seriously, it truly can put someone in

> trouble.

> > If

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > times are

> > > > > > > > > > > > bad (planets are bad) noone is going to

bother

> > > > > troubling

> > > > > > > > you. But

> > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > your planets and time are good.... out of

> > jealousy

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > > > > such things to make sure you dont enjoy your

> good

> > > > > times,

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > your good times bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhooshanpriya> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just a hypothesis , I haven't got

> enough

> > > > > > empirical

> > > > > > > > > > > evidence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yet , that Mercury and Rahu relationship

> > > indicates

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu together in 3,8,9 & 12th

> house

> > > or

> > > > > > > > > > separately ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury in any of the 3 , 8 , 9 & 12th

> houses

> > > > while

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 5 , 7 , 8 & 11th houses could cause

a

> > > > malady

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > traced to any apparent reason.Normally such

> > > things

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > credited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , SUSAN RANA

> > > > > > > > <susan.tyson@b...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that all is astrological, to

> have

> > > > black

> > > > > > magic

> > > > > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for this to be effective i feel you would

> need

> > > to

> > > > > have

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination of planets that would allow

this

> to

> > > > > happen.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > su

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan_786 <rizkhan_786> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all respected members i have a

question

> > > that

> > > > > how

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > layman

> > > > > > > > > > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that difficulties one is facing is due to

> bad

> > > > > effect

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one has done black magic on it because it

> is

> > > > fact

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > black

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > magic , i hope that all memebers

> participate

> > > and

> > > > > > share

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > khowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Fellow Board Members,

 

A lal kitab upaye for 43 days will NOT get rid of black magic. There is nowhere in Lal Kitab where specific remedies for black magic.

 

Regards,

Iqbalshripaldalal <shripaldalal wrote:

Dear Nishant saab,It is true that most of the times victims dont know that they are afflicted by black magic. very true. that's y they say that the better you know your enemy the better you can fight him.As far as in my experience I think black magic is signified by the tenth house. I am not as learned as other people over here but I think that "andhi kundli" is also somewhat linked to black magic. I think budh in tenth house also brings a lot of black magic on a person (personal experience, since i have budh in tenth and i know others too who have budh in tenth house)But one thing i know for sure is that proper/simple remedies of lal kitab if done correctly for 43 days can truly end black magic.regards,shripal dalal.lalkitab , "Nishant A.S." <nishant_aryan>

wrote:> -> > hello iqbal ji and shripal ji,> > what you both have discussed is a good matter content on this > topic,as already written before I too have experienced its effects on > victims, and witnessed the conditions.> > what I want to add is that most of the times the victims dont even > know that they have been targeted by black magic,they keep suffering > and think its because of times or just because its life's natural > journey, well there are very few remedies once you are bitten by > black magic bug.> > but the dashas of planets play a major role,specailly dasha of 6th > lord if afflicted with some connection with the 8th house does make > the victim a potential target of black magic.> > Sinc.> > NISHANT > > > > > > > -- In

lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:> > Respected Shripal,> > > > I have seen dozens of cases of black magic, and witnessed exorcisms > with my own eyes both abroad and in India. These discussions are too > dear and broad to have on this board.> > > > There are specific ways and techniques to solve these problems.> > > > Perhaps we can follow-up offline in a discussion.> > > > Regards,> > Iqbal> > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > Respected Iqbalji,> > > > Kind sir, you are correct. but that is different from black magic. > > when the word spirit comes in, it is called "wadgad" or possession. > > i have seen one such case by my own eyes. but yes you are correct, > > black magic can be used to get

someone's body possessed.> > > > i just wish i would knew how to fight such things.> > > > regards,> > shripal dalal.> > > > lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:> > > Respected Shiripal Ji,> > > > > > Please forgive me, but I must retort what you have written. Black > > magic can lead to all of those conditions and more. It can lead one > > to be excessive (greedy) in a variety of activities depending on > the > > nature of the spirits involved and the methodology with which they > > have been secured. It also changes the intellectual, emotional and > > physical abilities and traits of a person so all of the below > > mentioned conditions are only a fragment of what can be altered.> > > > > > Sincerely,> >

> > > > Iqbal> > > Toronto, Canada> > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > Dear Mr Dube,> > > > > > these are not problems or symptoms of black magic that's for > sure. > > i > > > do not mean to be offensive, but these r symptoms of an evil > > person. > > > black magic does not, IT NEVER gives jealousy. also, black magic > > > symptoms are depression, failure, moving about in circles in > life, > > > sickness without any reason, madness, insanity etc. this is > > > certainly not black magic. i havent seen his chart but it's > common > > > sense.> > > > > > regards,> > > shripal dalal.> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube

<priyankdube> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Mr shripal> > > > > > > > He's person with increase of jealousy, frustration, greed, > > > selfishness, negativity and inability to accept other's happiness > > & > > > growth, sometime he suddenly starts abnormal behaviour in the > > sense > > > by creating unnecessary tension, creating family problems which > > > reaches to extreme, that nobody is able to control him. There are > > > quarrels in the family without any reason. please suggest what do > > we > > > can do.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Priyank> > > > > > > > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > > Dear mr dube,> > >

> > > > > what exactly are the problems he is facing ? symptoms ?> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > shripal.> > > > > > > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube > <priyankdube> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > I am posting details of a person please analyze his details > > and > > > > tell do u think that this person is affected by Black Magic. > > > Please > > > > suggest some remedies also> > > > > > > > > > Details are :> > > > > DOB:7/01/1969> > > > > POB: RAJGARH(MP)> > > > > TOB: 33:32:0/GPV> > > > > Rashi: Leo> > > > > Lagna:Leo> > > > > Nakshtra: Magha> > > >

> Paksh: Krishna> > > > > > > > > > Planet position in Horoscope:> > > > > 5-Moon> > > > > 6- Jup, Ketu> > > > > 7-Mars> > > > > 8-> > > > > 9-Sun> > > > > 10- Mercury> > > > > 11-venus> > > > > 12- Sat, Rahu> > > > > 1-> > > > > 2-> > > > > 3-> > > > > 4-> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > Priyank> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > > >

Dear nishant saab,> > > > > > > > > > In my experience budh does not give black magic when in 6th > or > > > > 12th, > > > > > but it gives it when in 10th. 10th house budh if bad can > > really > > > > put > > > > > a person in trouble. personal experience.> > > > > > > > > > budh when in 8th house, such a person instead of receiving > > black > > > > > magic ends up doing these things on others. the person who > was > > > > > responsible for making my life very problematic had budh in > > 8th > > > > > house. lal kitab in some book i read stated that budh in 8th > > > house > > > > > wala jatak "gupt vidya janne wala hota hai".> > > > > > > > > > budh means

a vidya, a skill, an art. black magic itself is an > > > art. > > > > > in hindi they call it meli vidya (dirty vidya). people > > > > underestimate > > > > > it saying that it's just in the mind, but when they really > > have > > > to > > > > > go through it, they know the real implications.> > > > > > > > > > budh really gives black magic when conjoined with an ashubh > > > > mangal, > > > > > not shani or rahu. an ashubh mangal + budh is banavati shani > > > (rahu > > > > > svabhav) which itself is black magic. they say you can bury a > > > > flute > > > > > with sugar in it for that, but i dont know if anyone here has > > > > tried > > > > > that remedy (shani in seventh house).

if it works then great.> > > > > > > > > > sir, i dont know how exactly budh plays mischief, but i know > > it > > > > > does. i have no knowledge of this art, but i have tremendous > > > > > experience because i have been victim to it.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "Nishant A.S." > > > > <nishant_aryan> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello dalal ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you fully that its a science,I also >

> agree > > > > with > > > > > > you that budh plays a role as he is the karaka for magic > and > > > > > miracles > > > > > > and when he conjuncts with or aspected by Rahu or Shani > then > > > > makes > > > > > > the native a potential victim of BM.but budh has to be > > > afflicted > > > > a > > > > > > lot by his situation in 6,8 or 12 th houses in water signs.> > > > > > > > > > > > he mostly gives depression, failure, moving about in > > circles > > > in > > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all > > > these > > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic as correctly > > > > written > >

> > > by > > > > > > you.> > > > > > > > > > > > I will be grateful if you explain the role of budh a > little > > > > more > > > > > and > > > > > > I'm with you on discussing this topic which has interested > > me > > > > > since I > > > > > > was a kid.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NISHANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "shripaldalal" > > > > > <shripaldalal> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Dear

friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black magic HAS to be removed if it has been done on you. > > > > There > > > > > are > > > > > > > proper babas, tantrics to do this, but 90% are fake.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jai saab, shani rahu ketu may be culprits, but never > > > > > underestimate > > > > > > > budh. it's the biggest karaka of black magic.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as for indications, depression, failure, moving about in > > > > circles > > > > > in > > > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity, all > > > > these > > > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic.> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i have also seen that people in this group have taken the > > > > > subject > > > > > > of > > > > > > > black magic so lightly that they have ignored my previous > > > > pleas > > > > > to > > > > > > > address this great problem. people here dont realise that > > > > people > > > > > > who > > > > > > > ask for help over here may be afflicted by planets, but > > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > > also been afflicted by black magic. this group has taken > > > this > > > > > > > subject very lightly.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is not documented in lal kitab, but

black > > magic > > > is > > > > > very > > > > > > > much a science, which DOES HAVE very close ties to > > > astrology, > > > > > and > > > > > > > has put 40% of innocent people out there in a lot of > > trouble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friends, i really think that all of us should taken an > > > > > interest > > > > > > > on how to beat these dirty vidyas (black magic) using the > > > > > science > > > > > > of > > > > > > > lal kitab which will very much help a lot of people out > > > there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Jai Nahata > > <jaynahata@g...> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn & Ketu are the main culprits for this.> > > > > > > > And Sun should be strengthened and culprites have to be > > > > > weakened > > > > > > > once it is > > > > > > > > proved that they are doing this mischief.> > > > > > > > Awaiting valuable insights from all the scholars,> > > > > > > > Best regards> > > > > > > > Jai> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/15/05, Priyank <priyankdube> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that Black Magic happens, but this is > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > time i> > > > > > > > > have come to know that planets also plays and > > important > > > > role > > > > > in > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > Thank to all Gurujans.> > > > > > > > > I've also witnessed its victims> > > > > > > > > how can one protect self and family by all these > > things,> > > > > > > > > this should not done , but if someone has done it on > > > you , > > > > > > > atleast> > > > > > > > > u should know about this

and also know how u can > > protect > > > > > urself > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > all these.> > > > > > > > > can anybody tell who are masters of this all and > where > > > one > > > > > can > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > them.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Priyank> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "Nishant A.S." > > > > > > > <nishant_aryan>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Khaan Sahab,> > > > > > > > > > you made a good point and I fully agree with Dalal > > ji > > > > that > > > > > > > Black> > > > > > > > > > Magic happens.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've witnessed its victims and also met people who > > are > > > > > > masters > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > this all.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But yes there are combinations of planets given in > > > Vedic > > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > (I'm not sure

about LK)which imply a person liable > > to > > > be > > > > > its > > > > > > > victim> > > > > > > > > > in due course of his/her life.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Shani are biggest culprits of this all, > > plus > > > in > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > lesser> > > > > > > > > > way Mangal is also a great player effecting Black > > > Magic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > LK only makes Mangal Badh as Karaka for all these > > > things.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > NISHANT> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "shripaldalal" > > > > > > > <shripaldalal>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > I have seen and experienced with my own two eyes > > > that > > > > > black > > > > > > > magic> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > as real as the sun or the moon, and it truly is > > > > > powerful. > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > know that this group discounts black magic, but > do

> > > > take > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > seriously, it truly can put someone in trouble. > If > > > > your > > > > > > > times are> > > > > > > > > > > bad (planets are bad) noone is going to bother > > > > troubling > > > > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > your planets and time are good.... out of > jealousy > > > > > people > > > > > > do > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > such things to make sure you dont enjoy your good > > > > times, > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > make> > > >

> > > > > > > your good times bad.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , "bhooshanpriya"> > > > > > > > > > > <bhooshanpriya> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is just a hypothesis , I haven't got enough > > > > > empirical> > > > > > > > > > evidence> > > > > > > > > > > > yet , that Mercury and Rahu relationship > > indicates > > > > the> > > > > > >

> > influence> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > evil spirits.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu together in 3,8,9 & 12th house > > or> > > > > > > > > separately ,> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury in any of the 3 , 8 , 9 & 12th houses > > > while > > > > > the > > > > > > > Rahu in> > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > of the 5 , 7 , 8 & 11th houses could cause a > > > malady > > > > > which > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > not> > > > >

> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > traced to any apparent reason.Normally such > > things > > > > are > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > credited> > > > > > > > > > > > to the evil spirits.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Priya> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , SUSAN RANA > > > > > > > <susan.tyson@b...>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that all is astrological, to have > > > black > > > > > magic > > > > > > > done> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > for this to be effective i feel you would need > > to > > > > have > > > > > the>

> > > > > > > > > > > combination of planets that would allow this to > > > > happen.> > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > su> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan_786 <rizkhan_786> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > To all respected members i have a question > > that > > > > how > > > > > a > > > > > > > layman> > > > > > > > > > > > determine> > > > > > > > > > > > > that difficulties one is facing is due to bad > > > > effect > > > > > of> > > > > > >

> > planets> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > one has done black magic on it because it is > > > fact > > > > > that > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > black> > > > > > > > > > > > > magic , i hope that all memebers participate > > and > > > > > share > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > khowledge> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Shripalji & Nishant ji,

 

Black magic is in itself a different branch of occult sience and works quite different from set rules of astronomy and astrology. Voo-doo is an example of this. Havan and other many things are essentially not needed everytime. It basically works on the hidden characterstics of various things like lemon, needle, etc. Yes, here also symbolism plays a major role.

We all know and it is scientifically proven that everything emits various sorts of waves/radiations and they influence different things in different ways.This basic rule is used for practicing black magic. If you know different components and their properties you can create Atom bomb and destroy many happy lives. Similar is with Black magic.Various components like mantra, objects,etc are used to destroy happiness of the people. mantras are as we all know powerful patterns of sound capable of producing quite extraordianry impacts. When they are coupled with various objects emitting a particular type of waves/radiation Black magic is born.

 

Here we have a silver lining in the clouds. I have experienced that if male planets are strong in the chart person is protected from Black Magic. Reason is obvious. Main significator for black magic in LK is Mars negative and some different combinations also give rise to this situation. Mer in 10th is also one of them. You could find them in LK. They are made even from Moon. But here I would like to add something based on my experience that a CHART SUFFERING FROM ANY OF THE ECLIPSES IS PRONE TO BLACK MAGIC. Revered scholars may test it and let me know.

 

Awaiting response from all the revered members,

 

Best regards

 

Jai

 

On 7/4/05, shripaldalal <shripaldalal wrote:

Dear jay ji,To tell you honestly if I knew I would not have desperately postedmessages for help over here. Second thing, the only reason I say Lal

Kitab remedies work against black magic is because I think blackmagic also works on astrological principles...and things like doingblack magic on a specific day/nakshatra/rashi is all counted. Evenblack magic havan's have to be kept on for 45 days...cant' be done

in one day. IF BLACK MAGIC CAN EFFECT UR PLANETS THEN UR PLANETS CANALSO AFFECT BLACK MAGIC.....AND IF U CAN IMPROVE YOUR CHART USINGREMEDIES OF LAL KITAB THEN I AM SURE U CAN BREAK SPELLS OF BLACKMAGIC.

regards,shripal dalal.lalkitab , Jai Nahata <jaynahata@g...> wrote:> Dear Shripalji,> Would you be kind enough to enumerate some of the tried and tested

(by you> or someone known to you) remedies those worked well in thisregard. We need> to make people equipped to fight such things. *Knowledge is onlyreliable> weapon against ignorance.*

> Thanking you in advance,> Best regards> Jai>>> On 7/3/05, shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> >> > Dear Nishant saab,> >> > It is true that most of the times victims dont know that they are

> > afflicted by black magic. very true. that's y they say that the> > better you know your enemy the better you can fight him.> >> > As far as in my experience I think black magic is signified by

the> > tenth house. I am not as learned as other people over here but I> > think that " andhi kundli " is also somewhat linked to blackmagic. I> > think budh in tenth house also brings a lot of black magic on a

> > person (personal experience, since i have budh in tenth and iknow> > others too who have budh in tenth house)> >> > But one thing i know for sure is that proper/simple remedies of

lal> > kitab if done correctly for 43 days can truly end black magic.> >> > regards,> > shripal dalal.> >> >

lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. " <nishant_aryan>> > wrote:> > > -> > >> > > hello iqbal ji and shripal ji,> > >> > > what you both have discussed is a good matter content on this

> > > topic,as already written before I too have experienced itseffects> > on> > > victims, and witnessed the conditions.> > >> > > what I want to add is that most of the times the victims dont

> > even> > > know that they have been targeted by black magic,they keep> > suffering> > > and think its because of times or just because its life'snatural> > > journey, well there are very few remedies once you are bitten

by> > > black magic bug.> > >> > > but the dashas of planets play a major role,specailly dasha of6th> > > lord if afflicted with some connection with the 8th house does

> > make> > > the victim a potential target of black magic.> > >> > > Sinc.> > >> > > NISHANT> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > > -- In lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug>wrote:> > > > Respected Shripal,

> > > >> > > > I have seen dozens of cases of black magic, and witnessed> > exorcisms> > > with my own eyes both abroad and in India. These discussionsare> > too

> > > dear and broad to have on this board.> > > >> > > > There are specific ways and techniques to solve theseproblems.> > > >> > > > Perhaps we can follow-up offline in a discussion.

> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Iqbal> > > >> > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > > Respected Iqbalji,

> > > >> > > > Kind sir, you are correct. but that is different from black> > magic.> > > > when the word spirit comes in, it is called " wadgad " or> > possession.

> > > > i have seen one such case by my own eyes. but yes you are> > correct,> > > > black magic can be used to get someone's body possessed.> > > >> > > > i just wish i would knew how to fight such things.

> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > shripal dalal.> > > >> > > > lalkitab , Iqbal <

punjabilovebug>> > wrote:> > > > > Respected Shiripal Ji,> > > > >> > > > > Please forgive me, but I must retort what you have written.> > Black

> > > > magic can lead to all of those conditions and more. It canlead> > one> > > > to be excessive (greedy) in a variety of activitiesdepending on> > > the

> > > > nature of the spirits involved and the methodology with which> > they> > > > have been secured. It also changes the intellectual,emotional> > and> > > > physical abilities and traits of a person so all of the below

> > > > mentioned conditions are only a fragment of what can bealtered.> > > > >> > > > > Sincerely,> > > > >> > > > > Iqbal

> > > > > Toronto, Canada> > > > >> > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > > > Dear Mr Dube,> > > > >> > > > > these are not problems or symptoms of black magic that's

for> > > sure.> > > > i> > > > > do not mean to be offensive, but these r symptoms of anevil> > > > person.> > > > > black magic does not, IT NEVER gives jealousy. also, black

> > magic> > > > > symptoms are depression, failure, moving about in circlesin> > > life,> > > > > sickness without any reason, madness, insanity etc. this is

> > > > > certainly not black magic. i havent seen his chart but it's> > > common> > > > > sense.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > shripal dalal.

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > lalkitab , Priyank Dube> > <priyankdube>> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mr shripal> > > > > >> > > > > > He's person with increase of jealousy, frustration,greed,> > > > > selfishness, negativity and inability to accept other's

> > happiness> > > > & > > > > > growth, sometime he suddenly starts abnormal behaviour inthe> > > > sense> > > > > by creating unnecessary tension, creating family problems

> > which> > > > > reaches to extreme, that nobody is able to control him.There> > are> > > > > quarrels in the family without any reason. please suggestwhat

> > do> > > > we> > > > > can do.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Priyank> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > > > > Dear mr dube,> > > > > >> > > > > > what exactly are the problems he is facing ? symptoms ?

> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > shripal.> > > > > >> > > > > >

lalkitab , Priyank Dube> > > <priyankdube>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > I am posting details of a person please analyze his

> > details> > > > and> > > > > > tell do u think that this person is affected by BlackMagic.> > > > > Please> > > > > > suggest some remedies also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Details are :> > > > > > > DOB:7/01/1969> > > > > > > POB: RAJGARH(MP)> > > > > > > TOB: 33:32:0/GPV

> > > > > > > Rashi: Leo> > > > > > > Lagna:Leo> > > > > > > Nakshtra: Magha> > > > > > > Paksh: Krishna> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Planet position in Horoscope:> > > > > > > 5-Moon> > > > > > > 6- Jup, Ketu> > > > > > > 7-Mars> > > > > > > 8-

> > > > > > > 9-Sun> > > > > > > 10- Mercury> > > > > > > 11-venus> > > > > > > 12- Sat, Rahu> > > > > > > 1-

> > > > > > > 2-> > > > > > > 3-> > > > > > > 4-> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Priyank

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > shripaldalal <shripaldalal> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear nishant saab,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In my experience budh does not give black magic when in> > 6th> > > or> > > > > > 12th,> > > > > > > but it gives it when in 10th. 10th house budh if bad

can> > > > really> > > > > > put> > > > > > > a person in trouble. personal experience.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > budh when in 8th house, such a person instead of

receiving> > > > black> > > > > > > magic ends up doing these things on others. the personwho> > > was> > > > > > > responsible for making my life very problematic had

budh> > in> > > > 8th> > > > > > > house. lal kitab in some book i read stated that budhin> > 8th> > > > > house> > > > > > > wala jatak " gupt vidya janne wala hota hai " .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > budh means a vidya, a skill, an art. black magicitself is> > an> > > > > art.> > > > > > > in hindi they call it meli vidya (dirty vidya). people

> > > > > > underestimate> > > > > > > it saying that it's just in the mind, but when theyreally> > > > have> > > > > to> > > > > > > go through it, they know the real implications.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > budh really gives black magic when conjoined with an> > ashubh> > > > > > mangal,> > > > > > > not shani or rahu. an ashubh mangal + budh is banavati

> > shani> > > > > (rahu> > > > > > > svabhav) which itself is black magic. they say you can> > bury a> > > > > > flute> > > > > > > with sugar in it for that, but i dont know if anyone

here> > has> > > > > > tried> > > > > > > that remedy (shani in seventh house). if it works then> > great.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sir, i dont know how exactly budh plays mischief, but i

> > know> > > > it> > > > > > > does. i have no knowledge of this art, but i have> > tremendous> > > > > > > experience because i have been victim to it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. " > > > > > > <nishant_aryan>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > hello dalal ji,> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I agree with you fully that its a science,I also> > > > agree> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > you that budh plays a role as he is the karaka for

magic> > > and> > > > > > > miracles> > > > > > > > and when he conjuncts with or aspected by Rahu orShani> > > then> > > > > > makes

> > > > > > > > the native a potential victim of BM.but budh has tobe> > > > > afflicted> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > lot by his situation in 6,8 or 12 th houses in water

> > signs.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > he mostly gives depression, failure, moving about in> > > > circles> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness, insanity,> > all> > > > > these> > > > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic as

> > correctly> > > > > > written> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > you.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I will be grateful if you explain the role of budh a

> > > little> > > > > > more> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > I'm with you on discussing this topic which has> > interested

> > > > me> > > > > > > since I> > > > > > > > was a kid.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lalkitab , " shripaldalal " > > > > > > > <shripaldalal>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Black magic HAS to be removed if it has been doneon> > you.> > > > > > There> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > proper babas, tantrics to do this, but 90% arefake.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > jai saab, shani rahu ketu may be culprits, but

never> > > > > > > underestimate> > > > > > > > > budh. it's the biggest karaka of black magic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > as for indications, depression, failure, moving

about> > in> > > > > > circles> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > life, sickness without any reason, madness,insanity,> > all

> > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > things are very much symptoms of black magic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i have also seen that people in this group have

taken> > the> > > > > > > subject> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > black magic so lightly that they have ignored my> > previous

> > > > > > pleas> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > address this great problem. people here dontrealise> > that> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > ask for help over here may be afflicted by planets,> > but> > > > > could> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > also been afflicted by black magic. this group has> > taken> > > > > this> > > > > > > > > subject very lightly.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I know this is not documented in lal kitab, butblack> > > > magic> > > > > is> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > much a science, which DOES HAVE very close ties to> > > > > astrology,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > has put 40% of innocent people out there in a lot

of> > > > trouble.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My friends, i really think that all of us shouldtaken> > an> > > > > > > interest

> > > > > > > > > on how to beat these dirty vidyas (black magic)using> > the> > > > > > > science> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > lal kitab which will very much help a lot of people

> > out> > > > > there.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lalkitab , Jai Nahata

> > > > <jaynahata@g...>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn & Ketu are the main culprits for

this.> > > > > > > > > > And Sun should be strengthened and culpriteshave to> > be> > > > > > > weakened> > > > > > > > > once it is

> > > > > > > > > > proved that they are doing this mischief.> > > > > > > > > > Awaiting valuable insights from all the scholars,> > > > > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > > > > > Jai> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 6/15/05, Priyank <priyankdube> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that Black Magic happens, butthis> > is> > > > the> > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > time i

> > > > > > > > > > > have come to know that planets also plays and> > > > important> > > > > > role> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank to all Gurujans.> > > > > > > > > > > I've also witnessed its victims> > > > > > > > > > > how can one protect self and family by all

these> > > > things,> > > > > > > > > > > this should not done , but if someone has doneit> > on> > > > > you ,> > > > > > > > > atleast

> > > > > > > > > > > u should know about this and also know how ucan> > > > protect> > > > > > > urself> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > all these.> > > > > > > > > > > can anybody tell who are masters of this alland> > > where> > > > > one

> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > them.> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Priyank> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " Nishant A.S. " > > > > > > > > > <nishant_aryan@y

....>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Khaan Sahab,

> > > > > > > > > > > > you made a good point and I fully agree with> > Dalal> > > > ji> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > Black

> > > > > > > > > > > > Magic happens.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I've witnessed its victims and also met

people> > who> > > > are> > > > > > > > masters> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > this all.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But yes there are combinations of planetsgiven> > in> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > (I'm not sure about LK)which imply a person> > liable> > > > to> > > > > be

> > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > victim> > > > > > > > > > > > in due course of his/her life.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Shani are biggest culprits of thisall,> > > > plus> > > > > in> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > lesser> > > > > > > > > > > > way Mangal is also a great player effecting> > Black> > > > > Magic.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > LK only makes Mangal Badh as Karaka for all> > these> > > > > things.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > NISHANT

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Inlalkitab , " shripaldalal "

> > > > > > > > > <shripaldalal>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen and experienced with my own two

> > eyes> > > > > that> > > > > > > black> > > > > > > > > magic> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > as real as the sun or the moon, and it

truly> > is> > > > > > > powerful.> > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > know that this group discounts black magic,

> > but> > > do> > > > > > take> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously, it truly can put someone in

> > trouble.> > > If> > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > times are> > > > > > > > > > > > > bad (planets are bad) noone is going to

bother> > > > > > troubling> > > > > > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > your planets and time are good.... out of

> > > jealousy> > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > such things to make sure you dont enjoy

your> > good> > > > > > times,> > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > > > > > your good times bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripal Dalal.> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > lalkitab , " bhooshanpriya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <

bhooshanpriya> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Susan,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is just a hypothesis , I haven't got

> > enough> > > > > > > empirical> > > > > > > > > > > > evidence> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet , that Mercury and Rahu relationship

> > > > indicates> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > influence> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evil spirits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu together in 3,8,9 & 12th> > house> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > separately ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury in any of the 3 , 8 , 9 & 12th> > houses> > > > > while

> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Rahu in> > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 5 , 7 , 8 & 11th houses could

cause a> > > > > malady> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > traced to any apparent reason.Normallysuch> > > > things> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > credited> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the evil spirits.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , SUSANRANA> > > > > > > > > <susan.tyson@b

....>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that all is astrological, to> > have

> > > > > black> > > > > > > magic> > > > > > > > > done> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for this to be effective i feel you would

> > need> > > > to> > > > > > have> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination of planets that would allow

this> > to> > > > > > happen.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > su

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan_786 <rizkhan_786> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all respected members i have a

question> > > > that> > > > > > how> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > layman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that difficulties one is facing is dueto> > bad> > > > > > effect> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one has done black magic on it because

it> > is> > > > > fact> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > black> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magic , i hope that all memebers> > participate> > > > and

> > > > > > > share> > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > > > khowledge> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rizkhan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >