Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 namaste dhingra ji & priya ji, i dont know why u have made such confusion over a chart,well i beg to disagree 1 stly with priya ji,i dont think Saayan sytem should be confused with Niryana, Saayana system is based on moving zodiac so it cant give the accurate results( i mean abt the transits), there is no need to cast a western style of horoscope for indian charts,( or for any for that matter),so i hope u'll stick to niryana system in future. and dhingra ji,why you are fussed over true or mean nodes,well if we keep on calculating both values for nodes we'll end up in a mess. my experience tells me that True Value give more accurate results,and indian textual astrogical marvels also prefer true values instead of mean values. anyways still if u use mean values, the degrees differ only by 1:05 to true values,yes in 2% cases the problem arises when nodes change signs in charts of the people born during/near that period, but still i dont think a good astrolger , the 1 who knows the fundamentals of astrology can get confused as he must use the basics of graha sphutas and bhava madhyas, or cusps for that matter as bhavas matter more than signs, i hope u get my point. sincerely NISHANT lalkitab , " jsdheendsa " <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote: > Dear Madam, > The only way to cross check the true value of Rahu on August 8 , 2000 > at 14:32 hr at Delhi , was to cast a western style horosocpe on the > net . Therefore I went to the world's biggest Western Astrology site ` > Astrodient'. http://www.astro.com/ " > I don't think above was required.Change settings in any Jyotish > software to calculate True Nodes instead of Mean Nodes. > Now the next question is what is actually used in Indian Astrology? All > traditional astrologers used Mean Nodes so I am sure same was used by > Author of Lal Kitab. > Madam,are you using True Nodes for all your jyotish related studies? If > you are please download free version of Jhora 7.02.change settings to > what ever nodes you want.You won't have to visit world's biggest > western astrology site for your studies and practice in Indian > Astrology. > JD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Dear Nishant ji, It felt nice to read your posting after so long. How is your health post surgery. Please take very good care of yourself. Hope to read your postings regularly in future. Also please comment on my suggestion of new date and time to Anjali ji. Best regards Jai On 6/3/05, Nishant A.S. <nishant_aryan wrote: namaste dhingra ji & priya ji,i dont know why u have made such confusion over a chart,well i beg to disagree 1 stly with priya ji,i dont think Saayan sytem should beconfused with Niryana, Saayana system is based on moving zodiac so itcant give the accurate results( i mean abt the transits), there is noneed to cast a western style of horoscope for indian charts,( or for any for that matter),so i hope u'll stick to niryana system in future.and dhingra ji,why you are fussed over true or mean nodes,well if wekeep on calculating both values for nodes we'll end up in a mess. my experience tells me that True Value give more accurate results,andindian textual astrogical marvels also prefer true values instead ofmean values.anyways still if u use mean values, the degrees differ only by 1:05 to true values,yes in 2% cases the problem arises when nodes change signsin charts of the people born during/near that period, but still i dontthink a good astrolger , the 1 who knows the fundamentals of astrology can get confused as he must use the basics of graha sphutas and bhavamadhyas, or cusps for that matter as bhavas matter more than signs, ihope u get my point.sincerelyNISHANTlalkitab , " jsdheendsa " <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote:> Dear Madam,> The only way to cross check the true value of Rahu on August 8 , 2000 > at 14:32 hr at Delhi , was to cast a western style horosocpe on the> net . Therefore I went to the world's biggest Western Astrology site`> Astrodient'. http://www.astro.com/ " > I don't think above was required.Change settings in any Jyotish> software to calculate True Nodes instead of Mean Nodes.> Now the next question is what is actually used in Indian Astrology?All > traditional astrologers used Mean Nodes so I am sure same was used by> Author of Lal Kitab.> Madam,are you using True Nodes for all your jyotish related studies?If> you are please download free version of Jhora 7.02.change settings to> what ever nodes you want.You won't have to visit world's biggest> western astrology site for your studies and practice in Indian> Astrology.> JD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Nishant ji, I guess, you totally misunderstood what is being discussed. Nirayana system is nothing but Sayana system minus ayanamsa. As now-a-days all celestial observations are is sayana system only, it is better to use sayana system for calculation and than deducting ayanamsa. Nearly all softwares and panchangs are calculating planetary positions this way only. And that's what Priya ji has done for calculation, so nothing wrong in it. Your second point that " indian textual astrogical marvels also prefer true values instead ofmean values " is also incorrect. True Rahu has been discovered recently around 1970. All Indian calculations are based on Mean Node only. All Indian ancient texts give the calculation method of mean nodes only and hence use mean node only. Just because true node is called true node can not be taken as more accurate. It is better to understand celestial mathematics behind it before concluding which one is correct. But it is a controversial topic around the world and will trigger another debate. I personally love to use Mean node. Regards, Punit Pandey On 6/3/05, Nishant A.S. <nishant_aryan wrote: namaste dhingra ji & priya ji,i dont know why u have made such confusion over a chart,well i beg to disagree 1 stly with priya ji,i dont think Saayan sytem should beconfused with Niryana, Saayana system is based on moving zodiac so itcant give the accurate results( i mean abt the transits), there is noneed to cast a western style of horoscope for indian charts,( or for any for that matter),so i hope u'll stick to niryana system in future.and dhingra ji,why you are fussed over true or mean nodes,well if wekeep on calculating both values for nodes we'll end up in a mess. my experience tells me that True Value give more accurate results,andindian textual astrogical marvels also prefer true values instead ofmean values.anyways still if u use mean values, the degrees differ only by 1:05 to true values,yes in 2% cases the problem arises when nodes change signsin charts of the people born during/near that period, but still i dontthink a good astrolger , the 1 who knows the fundamentals of astrology can get confused as he must use the basics of graha sphutas and bhavamadhyas, or cusps for that matter as bhavas matter more than signs, ihope u get my point.sincerelyNISHANTlalkitab , " jsdheendsa " <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote:> Dear Madam,> The only way to cross check the true value of Rahu on August 8 , 2000 > at 14:32 hr at Delhi , was to cast a western style horosocpe on the> net . Therefore I went to the world's biggest Western Astrology site`> Astrodient'. http://www.astro.com/ " > I don't think above was required.Change settings in any Jyotish> software to calculate True Nodes instead of Mean Nodes.> Now the next question is what is actually used in Indian Astrology?All > traditional astrologers used Mean Nodes so I am sure same was used by> Author of Lal Kitab.> Madam,are you using True Nodes for all your jyotish related studies?If> you are please download free version of Jhora 7.02.change settings to> what ever nodes you want.You won't have to visit world's biggest> western astrology site for your studies and practice in Indian> Astrology.> JD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 punit ji, I beg ur pardon to strongly disagree with ur point that all celestial observations today are saayan only and all panchangs and softwares are calculating saayan minus ayanamsha to obtain niryana, which panchangs are u talking about,well jantris that are still available at prestigious astrological book stores dont calculate niryana that way. Infact master astrologer BV RAMAN, taught the method of calculating Saayan by adding ayanamsha to niryana, not the other way round.but yes getting niryana from saayan is also done by most astrologers though I think both these methods are some wht vague, anyways ayanmsha itself has become debatable. one thing more, I replied to dhindhsa ji's message in which he just excerpted only the lines in which priya ji wrote that she calculated saayan degrees of nodes,and in this reply I wrote that not Saayan but niryana system should be used , " I'm sorry to admit that I didn't read her previous message. " ;( plz give both messages a more detailed reading) . about true /mean nodes I again little bit disagree that true node value was only discovered in 1970, if yes then Lahiri Ayanamsha would nopt have been made possible prior to that,again in niryana system u cant use mean values for they are again compatible with moving zodiac.. I personally would always use the true node, not the mean node, the reason for this is that the mean node is by it's nature an 'approximation' if you like, given that the mean measurement exists to even out the bumps and unevenness of the ecliptic path, whereas the true node is the actual, true, measurement. Sincerely, NISHANT lalkitab , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Nishant ji, > I guess, you totally misunderstood what is being discussed. Nirayana system > is nothing but Sayana system minus ayanamsa. As now-a-days all celestial > observations are is sayana system only, it is better to use sayana system > for calculation and than deducting ayanamsa. Nearly all softwares and > panchangs are calculating planetary positions this way only. And that's what > Priya ji has done for calculation, so nothing wrong in it. > Your second point that " indian textual astrogical marvels also prefer true > values instead of > mean values " is also incorrect. True Rahu has been discovered recently > around 1970. All Indian calculations are based on Mean Node only. All Indian > ancient texts give the calculation method of mean nodes only and hence use > mean node only. Just because true node is called true node can not be taken > as more accurate. It is better to understand celestial mathematics behind it > before concluding which one is correct. But it is a controversial topic > around the world and will trigger another debate. I personally love to use > Mean node. > Regards, > Punit Pandey > > On 6/3/05, Nishant A.S. <nishant_aryan> wrote: > > > > > > > > namaste dhingra ji & priya ji, > > > > i dont know why u have made such confusion over a chart,well i beg to > > disagree 1 stly with priya ji,i dont think Saayan sytem should be > > confused with Niryana, Saayana system is based on moving zodiac so it > > cant give the accurate results( i mean abt the transits), there is no > > need to cast a western style of horoscope for indian charts,( or for > > any for that matter),so i hope u'll stick to niryana system in future. > > > > and dhingra ji,why you are fussed over true or mean nodes,well if we > > keep on calculating both values for nodes we'll end up in a mess. > > my experience tells me that True Value give more accurate results,and > > indian textual astrogical marvels also prefer true values instead of > > mean values. > > > > anyways still if u use mean values, the degrees differ only by 1:05 to > > true values,yes in 2% cases the problem arises when nodes change signs > > in charts of the people born during/near that period, but still i dont > > think a good astrolger , the 1 who knows the fundamentals of astrology > > can get confused as he must use the basics of graha sphutas and bhava > > madhyas, or cusps for that matter as bhavas matter more than signs, i > > hope u get my point. > > > > > > sincerely > > > > NISHANT > > > > lalkitab , " jsdheendsa " <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote: > > > Dear Madam, > > > The only way to cross check the true value of Rahu on August 8 , 2000 > > > at 14:32 hr at Delhi , was to cast a western style horosocpe on the > > > net . Therefore I went to the world's biggest Western Astrology site > > ` > > > Astrodient'. http://www.astro.com/ " > > > I don't think above was required.Change settings in any Jyotish > > > software to calculate True Nodes instead of Mean Nodes. > > > Now the next question is what is actually used in Indian Astrology? > > All > > > traditional astrologers used Mean Nodes so I am sure same was used by > > > Author of Lal Kitab. > > > Madam,are you using True Nodes for all your jyotish related studies? > > If > > > you are please download free version of Jhora 7.02.change settings to > > > what ever nodes you want.You won't have to visit world's biggest > > > western astrology site for your studies and practice in Indian > > > Astrology. > > > JD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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