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Dear All, I don't know why today the words "Atithi Devo Bhavah" came to my mind, and I was contemplating on the same, not from the normal perspective but may be some out-of-the-box view. ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH Let us abbreviate it to ADH now for easy reference. The layman's translation is 'Guest is God' or the stupid Indian tourism's version of the the same, 'customer is king' does not depict the true intent of the above quote. May be the words 'guests are divine' could better depicts its primary meaning. History:---------- This quote is taken from the Taittiriya Upanishad is one of the older, "primary" Upanishads. Wikipedia states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav ) as follows -//It is the verse in the Taittiriya Upanishad that says "Matru devo bhava, Pitru devo bhava, Acharya devo bhava, Atithi devo bhava". Means One should worship Mother, Father, Teacher and Guests as God.Tithi in Sanskrit means a date. In ancient time when means of communication were limited and it was not possible to anticipate date of arrival of guest the word "Atithi" was coined to depict a visiting person who had no fixed date of arrival or departure. "Devo" means God and Bhav means Be/Is, literally meaning "Guest is God"There is another interpretation very different from the above// That was bit for informative - but still not good enough for us, it seems. :) What are these "Other (possible) interpretations" Wikipedia is pointing to? Is there any astrological relevance to this quote? Why it came to my mind on this Maha Siva Ratri day? When we start to contemplate new info naturally gets revealed by itself! Let us see what follows.Astrological meanings--------------------------- ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used in ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good and bad and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in existance means - * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because eacj Tithi spans 12 degree) * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and predictive astrology was well in place. Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient period of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word "Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those days). Hum... It seems that this quote even has some astrological pointers! For example - ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who crosses the Tithi is the god of the Universe (Moon is the god of the universe/zodiac). ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Those who crosses the Tithis are the gods of the Universe (Sun and Moon rules the the universe/zodiac).

ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Sun and Moon - Siva and Sakti - is behind everything in the Universe. Other meanings -------------------- Why this quote came to me today? What are the other meanings it can point to? ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Siva Siva Siva! Because Sanskrit dictionaries gives the meaning, Atithi = Siva; Devo = Siva; BhavaH= Siva as well! There is an astrological saying - "Tithi Sareeram" (Tithi is body). If Tithi is body then Atithi is non-body or 'one without body'. If Tithi is Prakriti (nature/body) then Atithi is Purusha (energy/chaitanya; non-body). Thus - ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One without body is Siva. Atithi = One without body; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purusha is Siva. Atithi = Purusha; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR Atithi Devo can mean 'one who considers guest as God' and Bhava can mean 'this world' or 'Universe'. Thus - ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who considers guest as God take birth in this world (to serve the people - and thus to fulfill his wish - again and again) There are two kinds of Yajna (dedicated work) - Deva yajna and Nri-yajna. Deva yajna = Worship of God Nri-yajna = Worship of man; worship of humanity; serving the society. Thus - ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Worship of humanity (serving the society) is the most important dedication/prayer. As per Sanskrit dictionaries, Atithi can mean 'Anger'; Deva can mean Lightning and Bhava 'God'. Thus - ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Lightening is the anger of god. Atithi=Anger; Deva=Lightning; Bhava = God Why 'Atithi' (guest) is called so? The answer is present in the following Nirukta quote - Atithi = Atati gaschati na tishtati iti Atithi (Comes, goes and do not stay - and that is why he is called 'guest'). This descritpion suit well to 'Death' as well. Death comes and goes and do not stay. So - ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Death is god; Death is divine; or even 'Death is the ultimate truth on earth'. As per one definition, 'Deva' is called so because 'Devete iti deva' (One who plays is God). Thus -ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who plays is God.ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purush is the one who plays with the Universe.ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = God plays with the world (The play of God is present behind everything) If Tithi is body then Atithi is soul. Thus - ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Soul is light (There is light inside) Atithi = soul; devo = light; Bhavah = is Soul know the righteous path inside and the directions it follow are always correct. This should not be limited to this. Contemplating on on even the direct meaning of the quote 'Atithi devo bhavah' (guest is divine) can bring-out numerous arguments and thoughts in support of and against. Even the question "Guest is divine or not?" can be controversial. And now we see there could be much more to it. Just sharing some passing thoughts with all. Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

You are right. The actual meaning is -

 

That one who comes suddenly and without informing, is to be treated as

God.

 

We normally know which tithi is going to come when. In this case when a

guest turns without any pre message given to us ( a - tithi) , then it

means he has to be respected like The Venerated.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I don't know why today the words " Atithi Devo Bhavah " came to my

> mind, and I was contemplating on the same, not from the normal

> perspective but may be some out-of-the-box view.

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

> Let us abbreviate it to ADH now for easy reference.

> The layman's translation is 'Guest is God' or the stupid Indian

> tourism's version of the the same, 'customer is king' does not depict

> the true intent of the above quote. May be the words 'guests are

divine'

> could better depicts its primary meaning.

> History:

> ----------

> This quote is taken from the Taittiriya Upanishad is one of the older,

> " primary " Upanishads. Wikipedia states

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav> ) as follows -

> //It is the verse in the Taittiriya Upanishad that says " Matru devo

> bhava, Pitru devo bhava, Acharya devo bhava, Atithi devo bhava " . Means

> One should worship Mother, Father, Teacher and Guests as God.

> Tithi in Sanskrit means a date. In ancient time when means of

> communication were limited and it was not possible to anticipate date

of

> arrival of guest the word " Atithi " was coined to depict a visiting

> person who had no fixed date of arrival or departure. " Devo " means God

> and Bhav means Be/Is, literally meaning " Guest is God "

> There is another interpretation very different from the above//

>

>

> That was bit for informative - but still not good enough for us, it

> seems. :) What are these " Other (possible) interpretations " Wikipedia

> is pointing to? Is there any astrological relevance to this quote? Why

> it came to my mind on this Maha Siva Ratri day? When we start to

> contemplate new info naturally gets revealed by itself! Let us see

what

> follows.

>

> Astrological meanings

> ---------------------------

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

> 'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal

> difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used in

> ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good and bad

and

> some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in existance

> means -

> * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence

> * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because

> eacj Tithi spans 12 degree)

> * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and

> predictive astrology was well in place.

> Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient period of

> Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word " Atithi "

> proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without considering

> Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of considering/selecting

> Tithi for everything during those days). Hum... It seems that this

quote

> even has some astrological pointers! For example -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who crosses the Tithi is the god of the

> Universe (Moon is the god of the universe/zodiac).

> ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Those who crosses the Tithis are the gods of the

> Universe (Sun and Moon rules the the universe/zodiac).

> ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Sun and Moon - Siva and Sakti - is behind

> everything in the Universe.

>

> Other meanings

> --------------------

> Why this quote came to me today? What are the other meanings it can

> point to?

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Siva Siva Siva!

> Because Sanskrit dictionaries gives the meaning, Atithi = Siva; Devo =

> Siva; BhavaH= Siva as well!

> There is an astrological saying - " Tithi Sareeram " (Tithi is body). If

> Tithi is body then Atithi is non-body or 'one without body'. If Tithi

is

> Prakriti (nature/body) then Atithi is Purusha (energy/chaitanya;

> non-body). Thus -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One without body is Siva.

> Atithi = One without body; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purusha is Siva.

> Atithi = Purusha; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

> Atithi Devo can mean 'one who considers guest as God' and Bhava can

> mean 'this world' or 'Universe'. Thus -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who considers guest as God take birth in this

> world (to serve the people - and thus to fulfill his wish - again and

> again)

> There are two kinds of Yajna (dedicated work) - Deva yajna and

> Nri-yajna.

> Deva yajna = Worship of God

> Nri-yajna = Worship of man; worship of humanity; serving the society.

> Thus -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Worship of humanity (serving the society) is the

> most important dedication/prayer.

> As per Sanskrit dictionaries, Atithi can mean 'Anger'; Deva can mean

> Lightning and Bhava 'God'. Thus -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Lightening is the anger of god.

> Atithi=Anger; Deva=Lightning; Bhava = God

> Why 'Atithi' (guest) is called so? The answer is present in the

> following Nirukta quote -

> Atithi = Atati gaschati na tishtati iti Atithi (Comes, goes and do not

> stay - and that is why he is called 'guest').

> This descritpion suit well to 'Death' as well. Death comes and goes

> and do not stay. So -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Death is god; Death is divine; or even 'Death is

> the ultimate truth on earth'.

> As per one definition, 'Deva' is called so because 'Devete iti deva'

> (One who plays is God). Thus -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who plays is God.

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purush is the one who plays with the Universe.

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = God plays with the world (The play of God is

> present behind everything)

> If Tithi is body then Atithi is soul. Thus -

> ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Soul is light (There is light inside)

> Atithi = soul; devo = light; Bhavah = is

> Soul know the righteous path inside and the directions it follow are

> always correct.

>

> This should not be limited to this. Contemplating on on even the

direct

> meaning of the quote 'Atithi devo bhavah' (guest is divine) can

> bring-out numerous arguments and thoughts in support of and against.

> Even the question " Guest is divine or not? " can be controversial. And

> now we see there could be much more to it.

> Just sharing some passing thoughts with all. [:)]

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

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Dear Sreenadh JI,

 

A good chain of thoughts.....

Below is my thought out of Box...

 

Atithi Devo Bhav---One who transcendence Tithi it Bhav/become Dev --so

Jyotish can be applied on All Human till they are human and trying to

transcendence to attain Bhagvatata ....

 

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

sreesog wrote:

 

 

Dear All,

I don't know why today the words "Atithi Devo Bhavah" came to my

mind, and I was contemplating on the same, not from the normal

perspective but may be some out-of-the-box view.

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

Let us abbreviate it to ADH now for easy reference.

The layman's translation is 'Guest is God' or the stupid Indian

tourism's version of the the same, 'customer is king' does not depict

the true intent of the above quote. May be the words 'guests are

divine' could better depicts its primary meaning.

History:

----------

This quote is taken from the Taittiriya Upanishad is one of the

older, "primary" Upanishads. Wikipedia states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav )

as follows -

//It is the verse in the Taittiriya Upanishad that says "Matru devo

bhava, Pitru devo bhava, Acharya devo bhava, Atithi devo bhava". Means

One should worship Mother, Father, Teacher and Guests as God.

Tithi in Sanskrit means a date. In ancient time when means of

communication were limited and it was not possible to anticipate date

of arrival of guest the word "Atithi" was coined to depict a visiting

person who had no fixed date of arrival or departure. "Devo" means God

and Bhav means Be/Is, literally meaning "Guest is God"

There is another interpretation very different from the above//

 

 

That was bit for informative - but still not good enough for us, it

seems. :) What are these "Other (possible) interpretations" Wikipedia

is pointing to? Is there any astrological relevance to this quote? Why

it came to my mind on this Maha Siva Ratri day? When we start to

contemplate new info naturally gets revealed by itself! Let us see what

follows.

 

Astrological meanings

---------------------------

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal

difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used in

ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good and bad

and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in

existance means -

* Astronomy and Astrology was in existence

* The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because

eacj Tithi spans 12 degree)

* Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and

predictive astrology was well in place.

Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient period

of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word

"Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without

considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of considering/selecting

Tithi for everything during those days). Hum... It seems that this

quote even has some astrological pointers! For example -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who crosses the Tithi is the god of the

Universe (Moon is the god of the universe/zodiac).

ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Those who crosses the Tithis are the gods of the

Universe (Sun and Moon rules the the universe/zodiac).

ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Sun and Moon - Siva and Sakti - is behind

everything in the Universe.

 

Other meanings

--------------------

Why this quote came to me today? What are the other meanings it can

point to?

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Siva Siva Siva!

Because Sanskrit dictionaries gives the meaning, Atithi = Siva; Devo =

Siva; BhavaH= Siva as well!

There is an astrological saying - "Tithi Sareeram" (Tithi is body).

If Tithi is body then Atithi is non-body or 'one without body'. If

Tithi is Prakriti (nature/body) then Atithi is Purusha

(energy/chaitanya; non-body). Thus -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One without body is Siva.

Atithi = One without body; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purusha is Siva.

Atithi = Purusha; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

Atithi Devo can mean 'one who considers guest as God' and Bhava can

mean 'this world' or 'Universe'. Thus -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who considers guest as God take birth in this

world (to serve the people - and thus to fulfill his wish - again and

again)

There are two kinds of Yajna (dedicated work) - Deva yajna and

Nri-yajna.

Deva yajna = Worship of God

Nri-yajna = Worship of man; worship of humanity; serving the society.

Thus -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Worship of humanity (serving the society) is the

most important dedication/prayer.

As per Sanskrit dictionaries, Atithi can mean 'Anger'; Deva can mean

Lightning and Bhava 'God'. Thus -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Lightening is the anger of god.

Atithi=Anger; Deva=Lightning; Bhava = God

Why 'Atithi' (guest) is called so? The answer is present in the

following Nirukta quote -

Atithi = Atati gaschati na tishtati iti Atithi (Comes, goes and do not

stay - and that is why he is called 'guest').

This descritpion suit well to 'Death' as well. Death comes and goes

and do not stay. So -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Death is god; Death is divine; or even 'Death is

the ultimate truth on earth'.

As per one definition, 'Deva' is called so because 'Devete iti deva'

(One who plays is God). Thus -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who plays is God.

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purush is the one who plays with the Universe.

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = God plays with the world (The play of God is

present behind everything)

If Tithi is body then Atithi is soul. Thus -

ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Soul is light (There is light inside)

Atithi = soul; devo = light; Bhavah = is

Soul know the righteous path inside and the directions it follow are

always correct.

 

This should not be limited to this. Contemplating on on even the

direct meaning of the quote 'Atithi devo bhavah' (guest is divine) can

bring-out numerous arguments and thoughts in support of and against.

Even the question "Guest is divine or not?" can be controversial. And

now we see there could be much more to it.

Just sharing some passing thoughts with all.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

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Dear Devisingh ji, //> Atithi Devo Bhav---One who transcendence Tithi it Bhav/become Dev --so > Jyotish can be applied on All Human till they are human and trying to > transcendence to attain Bhagvatata ....// Ha..Ha.. cute! Atithi Devo Bhava! [Tithi = Body; Atithi = one without body; Bhava = is; Devo = God/Divine/Divine beings] Thus, Atithi Devo bhava = The one without body is a divine being (Deva; and astrology does not apply to him). Here, since Tithi is an astrology related term, Tithi symbolically stands for astrology as well. Thus it means, for divine being [non-human supreme being or those who attained devatra (became Jeevan mukta through enlightenment) ] for them astrology does not apply! May be it also means that 'Tithi manushyo bhava' [Astrology is applicable to human beings only; i.e. only to those who are not enlightened yet!] Tithi = body. Those who transcend body (the feeling that I am this body) become divine beings (dev) - astrology is not for them. Those who are yet to transcend the body (we all are so; those who think that we are body) they are all normal human beings (not dev; may be manushya or even asura) - astrology is for them! Yap, you puts it all in two lines - beautiful! That is an interesting interpretation! :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh JI,> > A good chain of thoughts.....> Below is my thought out of Box...> > Atithi Devo Bhav---One who transcendence Tithi it Bhav/become Dev --so > Jyotish can be applied on All Human till they are human and trying to > transcendence to attain Bhagvatata ....> > ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > sreesog wrote:> > > >> > Dear All,> > I don't know why today the words "Atithi Devo Bhavah" came to my > > mind, and I was contemplating on the same, not from the normal > > perspective but may be some out-of-the-box view.> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH> > Let us abbreviate it to ADH now for easy reference. > > The layman's translation is 'Guest is God' or the stupid Indian > > tourism's version of the the same, 'customer is king' does not depict > > the true intent of the above quote. May be the words 'guests are > > divine' could better depicts its primary meaning.> > History:> > ----------> > This quote is taken from the Taittiriya Upanishad is one of the > > older, "primary" Upanishads. Wikipedia states > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav> ) as follows -> > //It is the verse in the Taittiriya Upanishad that says "Matru devo > > bhava, Pitru devo bhava, Acharya devo bhava, Atithi devo bhava". Means > > One should worship Mother, Father, Teacher and Guests as God.> > Tithi in Sanskrit means a date. In ancient time when means of > > communication were limited and it was not possible to anticipate date > > of arrival of guest the word "Atithi" was coined to depict a visiting > > person who had no fixed date of arrival or departure. "Devo" means God > > and Bhav means Be/Is, literally meaning "Guest is God"> > There is another interpretation very different from the above//> >> >> > That was bit for informative - but still not good enough for us, it > > seems. :) What are these "Other (possible) interpretations" Wikipedia > > is pointing to? Is there any astrological relevance to this quote? Why > > it came to my mind on this Maha Siva Ratri day? When we start to > > contemplate new info naturally gets revealed by itself! Let us see > > what follows.> >> > Astrological meanings> > ---------------------------> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH> > 'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal > > difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used in > > ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good and bad > > and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in > > existance means -> > * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence> > * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because > > eacj Tithi spans 12 degree)> > * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and > > predictive astrology was well in place.> > Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient period > > of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word > > "Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without > > considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of > > considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those days). Hum... > > It seems that this quote even has some astrological pointers! For > > example -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who crosses the Tithi is the god of the > > Universe (Moon is the god of the universe/zodiac).> > ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Those who crosses the Tithis are the gods of the > > Universe (Sun and Moon rules the the universe/zodiac).> > ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Sun and Moon - Siva and Sakti - is behind > > everything in the Universe.> >> > Other meanings> > --------------------> > Why this quote came to me today? What are the other meanings it can > > point to?> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Siva Siva Siva!> > Because Sanskrit dictionaries gives the meaning, Atithi = Siva; Devo > > = Siva; BhavaH= Siva as well!> > There is an astrological saying - "Tithi Sareeram" (Tithi is body). > > If Tithi is body then Atithi is non-body or 'one without body'. If > > Tithi is Prakriti (nature/body) then Atithi is Purusha > > (energy/chaitanya; non-body). Thus -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One without body is Siva.> > Atithi = One without body; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purusha is Siva.> > Atithi = Purusha; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR> > Atithi Devo can mean 'one who considers guest as God' and Bhava can > > mean 'this world' or 'Universe'. Thus -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who considers guest as God take birth in > > this world (to serve the people - and thus to fulfill his wish - again > > and again)> > There are two kinds of Yajna (dedicated work) - Deva yajna and > > Nri-yajna.> > Deva yajna = Worship of God> > Nri-yajna = Worship of man; worship of humanity; serving the society.> > Thus -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Worship of humanity (serving the society) is the > > most important dedication/prayer.> > As per Sanskrit dictionaries, Atithi can mean 'Anger'; Deva can mean > > Lightning and Bhava 'God'. Thus -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Lightening is the anger of god.> > Atithi=Anger; Deva=Lightning; Bhava = God> > Why 'Atithi' (guest) is called so? The answer is present in the > > following Nirukta quote -> > Atithi = Atati gaschati na tishtati iti Atithi (Comes, goes and do > > not stay - and that is why he is called 'guest').> > This descritpion suit well to 'Death' as well. Death comes and goes > > and do not stay. So -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Death is god; Death is divine; or even 'Death > > is the ultimate truth on earth'.> > As per one definition, 'Deva' is called so because 'Devete iti > > deva' (One who plays is God). Thus -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who plays is God.> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purush is the one who plays with the Universe.> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = God plays with the world (The play of God is > > present behind everything)> > If Tithi is body then Atithi is soul. Thus -> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Soul is light (There is light inside)> > Atithi = soul; devo = light; Bhavah = is> > Soul know the righteous path inside and the directions it follow are > > always correct.> >> > This should not be limited to this. Contemplating on on even the > > direct meaning of the quote 'Atithi devo bhavah' (guest is divine) > > can bring-out numerous arguments and thoughts in support of and > > against. Even the question "Guest is divine or not?" can be > > controversial. And now we see there could be much more to it.> > Just sharing some passing thoughts with all. :)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >>

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" Atithi Devo Bhav'

 

This has got certain connotations and a message. Normally guests inform

us beforehand when they are coming to our place. This when means the

Date or the tithi (As the word used to denote date in the older time

shwne Sanskrit was used).

 

So when a Guest comes without informing the date (Atithi) of his

arrival, he must be treated as one would treat a God.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear Devisingh ji,

> //> Atithi Devo Bhav---One who transcendence Tithi it Bhav/become Dev

> --so

> > Jyotish can be applied on All Human till they are human and trying

to

> > transcendence to attain Bhagvatata ....//

> Ha..Ha.. cute!

> Atithi Devo Bhava! [Tithi = Body; Atithi = one without body; Bhava =

> is; Devo = God/Divine/Divine beings]

> Thus, Atithi Devo bhava = The one without body is a divine being

> (Deva; and astrology does not apply to him).

> Here, since Tithi is an astrology related term, Tithi symbolically

> stands for astrology as well. Thus it means, for divine being

[non-human

> supreme being or those who attained devatra (became Jeevan mukta

through

> enlightenment) ] for them astrology does not apply!

> May be it also means that 'Tithi manushyo bhava' [Astrology is

> applicable to human beings only; i.e. only to those who are not

> enlightened yet!]

> Tithi = body.

> Those who transcend body (the feeling that I am this body) become

> divine beings (dev) - astrology is not for them.

> Those who are yet to transcend the body (we all are so; those who

> think that we are body) they are all normal human beings (not dev; may

> be manushya or even asura) - astrology is for them!

> Yap, you puts it all in two lines - beautiful! That is an interesting

> interpretation! :)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , devisigh

> devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> >

> > A good chain of thoughts.....

> > Below is my thought out of Box...

> >

> > Atithi Devo Bhav---One who transcendence Tithi it Bhav/become Dev

> --so

> > Jyotish can be applied on All Human till they are human and trying

to

> > transcendence to attain Bhagvatata ....

> >

> > ------------------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > sreesog wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > I don't know why today the words " Atithi Devo Bhavah " came to my

> > > mind, and I was contemplating on the same, not from the normal

> > > perspective but may be some out-of-the-box view.

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

> > > Let us abbreviate it to ADH now for easy reference.

> > > The layman's translation is 'Guest is God' or the stupid Indian

> > > tourism's version of the the same, 'customer is king' does not

> depict

> > > the true intent of the above quote. May be the words 'guests are

> > > divine' could better depicts its primary meaning.

> > > History:

> > > ----------

> > > This quote is taken from the Taittiriya Upanishad is one of the

> > > older, " primary " Upanishads. Wikipedia states

> > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav> ) as follows -

> > > //It is the verse in the Taittiriya Upanishad that says " Matru

devo

> > > bhava, Pitru devo bhava, Acharya devo bhava, Atithi devo bhava " .

> Means

> > > One should worship Mother, Father, Teacher and Guests as God.

> > > Tithi in Sanskrit means a date. In ancient time when means of

> > > communication were limited and it was not possible to anticipate

> date

> > > of arrival of guest the word " Atithi " was coined to depict a

> visiting

> > > person who had no fixed date of arrival or departure. " Devo " means

> God

> > > and Bhav means Be/Is, literally meaning " Guest is God "

> > > There is another interpretation very different from the above//

> > >

> > >

> > > That was bit for informative - but still not good enough for us,

it

> > > seems. :) What are these " Other (possible) interpretations "

> Wikipedia

> > > is pointing to? Is there any astrological relevance to this quote?

> Why

> > > it came to my mind on this Maha Siva Ratri day? When we start to

> > > contemplate new info naturally gets revealed by itself! Let us see

> > > what follows.

> > >

> > > Astrological meanings

> > > ---------------------------

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

> > > 'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal

> > > difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used

in

> > > ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good and

bad

> > > and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in

> > > existance means -

> > > * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence

> > > * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because

> > > eacj Tithi spans 12 degree)

> > > * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and

> > > predictive astrology was well in place.

> > > Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient

> period

> > > of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word

> > > " Atithi " proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without

> > > considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of

> > > considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those days).

> Hum...

> > > It seems that this quote even has some astrological pointers! For

> > > example -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who crosses the Tithi is the god of the

> > > Universe (Moon is the god of the universe/zodiac).

> > > ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Those who crosses the Tithis are the gods of

> the

> > > Universe (Sun and Moon rules the the universe/zodiac).

> > > ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH = Universe

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Sun and Moon - Siva and Sakti - is behind

> > > everything in the Universe.

> > >

> > > Other meanings

> > > --------------------

> > > Why this quote came to me today? What are the other meanings it

> can

> > > point to?

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Siva Siva Siva!

> > > Because Sanskrit dictionaries gives the meaning, Atithi = Siva;

> Devo

> > > = Siva; BhavaH= Siva as well!

> > > There is an astrological saying - " Tithi Sareeram " (Tithi is

> body).

> > > If Tithi is body then Atithi is non-body or 'one without body'. If

> > > Tithi is Prakriti (nature/body) then Atithi is Purusha

> > > (energy/chaitanya; non-body). Thus -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One without body is Siva.

> > > Atithi = One without body; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purusha is Siva.

> > > Atithi = Purusha; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

> > > Atithi Devo can mean 'one who considers guest as God' and Bhava

can

> > > mean 'this world' or 'Universe'. Thus -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who considers guest as God take birth in

> > > this world (to serve the people - and thus to fulfill his wish -

> again

> > > and again)

> > > There are two kinds of Yajna (dedicated work) - Deva yajna and

> > > Nri-yajna.

> > > Deva yajna = Worship of God

> > > Nri-yajna = Worship of man; worship of humanity; serving the

> society.

> > > Thus -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Worship of humanity (serving the society) is

> the

> > > most important dedication/prayer.

> > > As per Sanskrit dictionaries, Atithi can mean 'Anger'; Deva can

> mean

> > > Lightning and Bhava 'God'. Thus -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Lightening is the anger of god.

> > > Atithi=Anger; Deva=Lightning; Bhava = God

> > > Why 'Atithi' (guest) is called so? The answer is present in the

> > > following Nirukta quote -

> > > Atithi = Atati gaschati na tishtati iti Atithi (Comes, goes and do

> > > not stay - and that is why he is called 'guest').

> > > This descritpion suit well to 'Death' as well. Death comes and

> goes

> > > and do not stay. So -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Death is god; Death is divine; or even 'Death

> > > is the ultimate truth on earth'.

> > > As per one definition, 'Deva' is called so because 'Devete iti

> > > deva' (One who plays is God). Thus -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who plays is God.

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purush is the one who plays with the

Universe.

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = God plays with the world (The play of God is

> > > present behind everything)

> > > If Tithi is body then Atithi is soul. Thus -

> > > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Soul is light (There is light inside)

> > > Atithi = soul; devo = light; Bhavah = is

> > > Soul know the righteous path inside and the directions it follow

> are

> > > always correct.

> > >

> > > This should not be limited to this. Contemplating on on even the

> > > direct meaning of the quote 'Atithi devo bhavah' (guest is divine)

> > > can bring-out numerous arguments and thoughts in support of and

> > > against. Even the question " Guest is divine or not? " can be

> > > controversial. And now we see there could be much more to it.

> > > Just sharing some passing thoughts with all. :)

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji, Possibly we all agree with you and you are right as well. But here the intent of the exercise was NOT TO find the straight and simple meaning but to find something new out of the ordinary; something that can give us some new info and a fresh perspective. And I hope that the exercise did provide some good pointers. For example took at the revelation about the existence of practical, useful and popular astrological astrological wisdom that was in use DURING VEDIC PERIOD (before BC 3000?) itself by a simple word "Atithi" (Guest), which the foreigners may simple ignore! Look at the info given below -//'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used> in ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good and

bad and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in> existance means - * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because each Tithi spans 12 degree) * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and predictive astrology was well in place. Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient period of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word "Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those days).// Let us remember that it is all based on the simple word "Atithi" (guest) which anyone must have ignored or side-tracked as 'simple'. But if one is ready to look with a fresh perspective, (for every indian familiar with such systems, beliefs and a feel for that astrological perspective), it brings such a wealth of info that it gives us a window into "the history of predictive astrology and its development"; "the history of astronomy and its development". Actually the existence of the word "Atithi" or "Muhurta" is simply ENOUGH to prove the existence of predictive astrology during BC 3000! But such facts fools like AKK fails to see and understand! The whole effort of that thought stream was not to educate public about the meaning of a quote, but to point to the usefulness of a fresh and right perspective into the 'already existing and available information'. :) Such write-ups are NOT intended at learning or teaching, but instead intended at "learning to learn" or "teaching to teach" or even "teaching to learn" or "learning to teach" ;) All the permutation combinations and all the possibilities are relevant - and that is what 'thought' and 'logic' is! The Sanskrit word for logic is 'Ukti' and its defenition 'Unakteeti Yukti' (one that which connects - things with one another - is called Ukti). And it is such lost but relevant connections are what we are looking for. :) We intend to provide the spark and the thread of connections should ignite itself in this net connect group () by considering all the possible permutation combinations and playing with them - have fun as well the surprise of own intuition! (In astrology intuition is 'practiced'! I don't think there is any other branch of knowledge that asks and provides one with methods to 'practice intuition'! Anyway, but that is a subject outside the scope of this thread) Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > "Atithi Devo Bhav'> > This has got certain connotations and a message. Normally guests inform> us beforehand when they are coming to our place. This when means the> Date or the tithi (As the word used to denote date in the older time> shwne Sanskrit was used).> > So when a Guest comes without informing the date (Atithi) of his> arrival, he must be treated as one would treat a God.> > regards/Bhaskar.

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Dear Sreenadh JI,

 

Thanks for appreciation.....

I must say there is nothing from me except logic........I do not have

thoughts all thoughts are of others (could be anyone..here is you),This

is one of Reason apart from other to join group.

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

sreesog wrote:

 

 

Dear Devisingh ji,

//> Atithi Devo Bhav---One who transcendence

Tithi it Bhav/become Dev --so

> Jyotish can be applied on All Human till they are human and trying

to

> transcendence to attain Bhagvatata ....//

Ha..Ha.. cute!

Atithi Devo Bhava! [Tithi = Body; Atithi = one without body; Bhava =

is; Devo = God/Divine/Divine beings]

Thus, Atithi Devo bhava = The one without body is a divine being

(Deva; and astrology does not apply to him).

Here, since Tithi is an astrology related term, Tithi symbolically

stands for astrology as well. Thus it means, for divine being

[non-human supreme being or those who attained devatra (became Jeevan

mukta through enlightenment) ] for them astrology does not apply!

May be it also means that 'Tithi manushyo bhava' [Astrology is

applicable to human beings only; i.e. only to those who are not

enlightened yet!]

Tithi = body.

Those who transcend body (the feeling that I am this body) become

divine beings (dev) - astrology is not for them.

Those who are yet to transcend the body (we all are so; those who

think that we are body) they are all normal human beings (not dev; may

be manushya or even asura) - astrology is for them!

Yap, you puts it all in two lines - beautiful! That is an interesting

interpretation! :)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh JI,

>

> A good chain of thoughts.....

> Below is my thought out of Box...

>

> Atithi Devo Bhav---One who transcendence Tithi it Bhav/become Dev

--so

> Jyotish can be applied on All Human till they are human and trying

to

> transcendence to attain Bhagvatata ....

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> sreesog wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> > I don't know why today the words "Atithi Devo Bhavah" came to

my

> > mind, and I was contemplating on the same, not from the

normal

> > perspective but may be some out-of-the-box view.

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

> > Let us abbreviate it to ADH now for easy reference.

> > The layman's translation is 'Guest is God' or the stupid

Indian

> > tourism's version of the the same, 'customer is king' does

not depict

> > the true intent of the above quote. May be the words 'guests

are

> > divine' could better depicts its primary meaning.

> > History:

> > ----------

> > This quote is taken from the Taittiriya Upanishad is one of

the

> > older, "primary" Upanishads. Wikipedia states

> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav

 

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atithi_Devo_Bhav>

) as follows -

> > //It is the verse in the Taittiriya Upanishad that says

"Matru devo

> > bhava, Pitru devo bhava, Acharya devo bhava, Atithi devo

bhava". Means

> > One should worship Mother, Father, Teacher and Guests as God.

> > Tithi in Sanskrit means a date. In ancient time when means of

 

> > communication were limited and it was not possible to

anticipate date

> > of arrival of guest the word "Atithi" was coined to depict a

visiting

> > person who had no fixed date of arrival or departure. "Devo"

means God

> > and Bhav means Be/Is, literally meaning "Guest is God"

> > There is another interpretation very different from the

above//

> >

> >

> > That was bit for informative - but still not good enough for

us, it

> > seems. :) What are these "Other (possible) interpretations"

Wikipedia

> > is pointing to? Is there any astrological relevance to this

quote? Why

> > it came to my mind on this Maha Siva Ratri day? When we start

to

> > contemplate new info naturally gets revealed by itself! Let

us see

> > what follows.

> >

> > Astrological meanings

> > ---------------------------

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH

> > 'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the

longitudinal

> > difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters

used in

> > ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good

and bad

> > and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in

 

> > existance means -

> > * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence

> > * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance

(because

> > eacj Tithi spans 12 degree)

> > * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets

and

> > predictive astrology was well in place.

> > Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient

period

> > of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the

word

> > "Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes

without

> > considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of

> > considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those

days). Hum...

> > It seems that this quote even has some astrological pointers!

For

> > example -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who crosses the Tithi is the god of

the

> > Universe (Moon is the god of the universe/zodiac).

> > ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH =

Universe

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Those who crosses the Tithis are the

gods of the

> > Universe (Sun and Moon rules the the universe/zodiac).

> > ATITHI = One who crosses the Tithi; DEVO = God; BHAVAH =

Universe

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Sun and Moon - Siva and Sakti - is

behind

> > everything in the Universe.

> >

> > Other meanings

> > --------------------

> > Why this quote came to me today? What are the other meanings

it can

> > point to?

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Siva Siva Siva!

> > Because Sanskrit dictionaries gives the meaning, Atithi =

Siva; Devo

> > = Siva; BhavaH= Siva as well!

> > There is an astrological saying - "Tithi Sareeram" (Tithi is

body).

> > If Tithi is body then Atithi is non-body or 'one without

body'. If

> > Tithi is Prakriti (nature/body) then Atithi is Purusha

> > (energy/chaitanya; non-body). Thus -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One without body is Siva.

> > Atithi = One without body; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purusha is Siva.

> > Atithi = Purusha; Bhavah = Is; Devo = Siva OR

> > Atithi Devo can mean 'one who considers guest as God' and

Bhava can

> > mean 'this world' or 'Universe'. Thus -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who considers guest as God take

birth in

> > this world (to serve the people - and thus to fulfill his

wish - again

> > and again)

> > There are two kinds of Yajna (dedicated work) - Deva yajna

and

> > Nri-yajna.

> > Deva yajna = Worship of God

> > Nri-yajna = Worship of man; worship of humanity; serving the

society.

> > Thus -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Worship of humanity (serving the

society) is the

> > most important dedication/prayer.

> > As per Sanskrit dictionaries, Atithi can mean 'Anger'; Deva

can mean

> > Lightning and Bhava 'God'. Thus -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Lightening is the anger of god.

> > Atithi=Anger; Deva=Lightning; Bhava = God

> > Why 'Atithi' (guest) is called so? The answer is present in

the

> > following Nirukta quote -

> > Atithi = Atati gaschati na tishtati iti Atithi (Comes, goes

and do

> > not stay - and that is why he is called 'guest').

> > This descritpion suit well to 'Death' as well. Death comes

and goes

> > and do not stay. So -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Death is god; Death is divine; or even

'Death

> > is the ultimate truth on earth'.

> > As per one definition, 'Deva' is called so because 'Devete

iti

> > deva' (One who plays is God). Thus -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = One who plays is God.

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Purush is the one who plays with the

Universe.

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = God plays with the world (The play of

God is

> > present behind everything)

> > If Tithi is body then Atithi is soul. Thus -

> > ATITHI DEVO BHAVAH = Soul is light (There is light inside)

> > Atithi = soul; devo = light; Bhavah = is

> > Soul know the righteous path inside and the directions it

follow are

> > always correct.

> >

> > This should not be limited to this. Contemplating on on even

the

> > direct meaning of the quote 'Atithi devo bhavah' (guest is

divine)

> > can bring-out numerous arguments and thoughts in support of

and

> > against. Even the question "Guest is divine or not?" can be

> > controversial. And now we see there could be much more to it.

> > Just sharing some passing thoughts with all. :)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

>

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Dear Shreenadh JI,

 

//AKK fails to see and

understand! // (It is under study as a true truth seeker......)

 

Feedback:I have gone through your tithi explanation doc that is good..

that sparked me some thought forgot now will share when hit again.....

 

Can we have any doc/discussion related to below Items?

 

--Unequal Nakshatra division and 28 division??

--Vishnottari dasha division logic??

 

--i have gone through all primary from site and achieve I want to study

more without thread :)

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

sreesog wrote:

 

 

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Possibly we all agree with you and you are right as well. But here

the intent of the exercise was NOT TO find the straight and simple

meaning but to find something new out of the ordinary; something that

can give us some new info and a fresh perspective. And I hope that the exercise did

provide some good pointers. For example took at the revelation about

the existence of practical, useful and popular astrological

astrological wisdom that was in use DURING VEDIC PERIOD (before BC

3000?) itself by a simple word "Atithi" (Guest), which the foreigners

may simple ignore! Look at the info given below -

//'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal

difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used

> in ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good

and bad and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in

> existance means -

* Astronomy and Astrology was in existence

* The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because

each Tithi spans 12 degree)

* Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and

predictive astrology was well in place.

Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient period of

Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word

"Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without

considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of

considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those days).//

Let us remember that it is all based on the simple word "Atithi"

(guest) which anyone must have ignored or side-tracked as 'simple'. But

if one is ready to look with a fresh perspective, (for every indian

familiar with such systems, beliefs and a feel for that astrological

perspective), it brings such a wealth of info that it gives us a

window into "the history of predictive astrology and its development";

"the history of astronomy and its development". Actually the

existence of the word "Atithi" or "Muhurta" is simply ENOUGH to prove

the existence of predictive astrology during BC 3000! But such facts

fools like AKK fails to see and understand! The whole effort of that

thought stream was not to educate public about the meaning of a quote,

but to point to the usefulness of a fresh and right perspective into

the 'already existing and available information'. :) Such

write-ups are NOT intended at learning or teaching, but instead

intended at "learning to learn" or "teaching to teach" or even

"teaching to learn" or "learning to teach" ;) All the permutation

combinations and all the possibilities are relevant - and that is what

'thought' and 'logic' is! The Sanskrit word for logic is 'Ukti' and its

defenition 'Unakteeti Yukti' (one that which connects - things with one

another - is called Ukti). And it is such lost but relevant connections

are what we are looking for. :) We intend to provide the spark and the

thread of connections should ignite itself in this net connect group

() by considering all the possible permutation combinations

and playing with them - have fun as well the surprise of own intuition!

(In astrology intuition is 'practiced'! I don't think there is any

other branch of knowledge that asks and provides one with methods to

'practice intuition'! Anyway, but that is a subject outside the scope

of this thread)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

,

"Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> "Atithi Devo Bhav'

>

> This has got certain connotations and a message. Normally guests

inform

> us beforehand when they are coming to our place. This when means

the

> Date or the tithi (As the word used to denote date in the older

time

> shwne Sanskrit was used).

>

> So when a Guest comes without informing the date (Atithi) of his

> arrival, he must be treated as one would treat a God.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

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Dear Devisingh ji, //> Feedback:I have gone through your tithi explanation doc that is good.. > that sparked me some thought forgot now will share when hit again.....// You are welcome. :)//> --Unequal Nakshatra division and 28 division??// I haven't written one about the same till now, even though lot of inputs about the same is possible not only by me but also many members in this group. //> --Vishnottari dasha division logic??// The same is true about the above point as well. But there ran a thread regarding the same in this group once or twice and many logics got presented by many in this group. I just happened to find one among the lot in the archive, and here is the URL to that thread: /message/24542 Hope you will enjoy it. :)Love and regards,Sreeandh , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear Shreenadh JI,> > //AKK fails to see and understand! // (It is under study as a true truth > seeker......)> > Feedback:I have gone through your tithi explanation doc that is good.. > that sparked me some thought forgot now will share when hit again.....> > Can we have any doc/discussion related to below Items?> > --Unequal Nakshatra division and 28 division??> --Vishnottari dasha division logic??> > --i have gone through all primary from site and achieve I want to study > more without thread :)> ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > sreesog wrote:> > > >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Possibly we all agree with you and you are right as well. But here > > the intent of the exercise was NOT TO find the straight and simple > > meaning but to find something new out of the ordinary; something that > > can give us some new info and a fresh perspective. :) And I hope that > > the exercise did provide some good pointers. For example took at the > > revelation about the existence of practical, useful and popular > > astrological astrological wisdom that was in use DURING VEDIC PERIOD > > (before BC 3000?) itself by a simple word "Atithi" (Guest), which the > > foreigners may simple ignore! Look at the info given below -> > //'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the longitudinal > > difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters used> > > in ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified as good and > > bad and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi is in> > > existance means -> > * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence> > * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance (because > > each Tithi spans 12 degree)> > * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets and > > predictive astrology was well in place.> > Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient period > > of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the word> > "Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes without > > considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of> > considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those days).//> > Let us remember that it is all based on the simple word "Atithi" > > (guest) which anyone must have ignored or side-tracked as 'simple'. > > But if one is ready to look with a fresh perspective, (for every > > indian familiar with such systems, beliefs and a feel for that > > astrological perspective), it brings such a wealth of info that it > > gives us a window into "the history of predictive astrology and its > > development"; "the history of astronomy and its development". Actually > > the existence of the word "Atithi" or "Muhurta" is simply ENOUGH to > > prove the existence of predictive astrology during BC 3000! But such > > facts fools like AKK fails to see and understand! The whole effort of > > that thought stream was not to educate public about the meaning of a > > quote, but to point to the usefulness of a fresh and right perspective > > into the 'already existing and available information'. :) Such > > write-ups are NOT intended at learning or teaching, but instead > > intended at "learning to learn" or "teaching to teach" or even > > "teaching to learn" or "learning to teach" ;) All the permutation > > combinations and all the possibilities are relevant - and that is what > > 'thought' and 'logic' is! The Sanskrit word for logic is 'Ukti' and > > its defenition 'Unakteeti Yukti' (one that which connects - things > > with one another - is called Ukti). And it is such lost but relevant > > connections are what we are looking for. :) We intend to provide the > > spark and the thread of connections should ignite itself in this net > > connect group () by considering all the possible > > permutation combinations and playing with them - have fun as well the > > surprise of own intuition! (In astrology intuition is 'practiced'! I > > don't think there is any other branch of knowledge that asks and > > provides one with methods to 'practice intuition'! Anyway, but that is > > a subject outside the scope of this thread)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "Bhaskar" > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > "Atithi Devo Bhav'> > >> > > This has got certain connotations and a message. Normally guests inform> > > us beforehand when they are coming to our place. This when means the> > > Date or the tithi (As the word used to denote date in the older time> > > shwne Sanskrit was used).> > >> > > So when a Guest comes without informing the date (Atithi) of his> > > arrival, he must be treated as one would treat a God.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >>

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Dear Sreenadh JI,

 

Yes,i have gone through thouse all and your nice thread in achieve but

really that not convinced me much...will share when got better one

Regarding Nakshatra they have to come and tell me else i will not leave

....lighter vein

 

Feedback:Vaar is really a very good one doc to start.....

--Thanks

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

sreesog wrote:

 

 

Dear Devisingh ji,

//> Feedback:I have gone through your tithi

explanation doc that is good..

> that sparked me some thought forgot now will share when hit

again.....//

You are welcome. :)

//> --Unequal Nakshatra division and 28

division??//

I haven't written one about the same till now, even though lot of

inputs about the same is possible not only by me but also many members

in this group.

//> --Vishnottari dasha division logic??//

The same is true about the above point as well. But there ran a

thread regarding the same in this group once or twice and many logics

got presented by many in this group. I just happened to find one among

the lot in the archive, and here is the URL to that thread: /message/24542

Hope you will enjoy it. :)

Love and regards,

Sreeandh

 

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh JI,

>

> //AKK fails to see and understand! // (It is under study as a true

truth

> seeker......)

>

> Feedback:I have gone through your tithi explanation doc that is

good..

> that sparked me some thought forgot now will share when hit

again.....

>

> Can we have any doc/discussion related to below Items?

>

> --Unequal Nakshatra division and 28 division??

> --Vishnottari dasha division logic??

>

> --i have gone through all primary from site and achieve I want to

study

> more without thread :)

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> sreesog wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > Possibly we all agree with you and you are right as well. But

here

> > the intent of the exercise was NOT TO find the straight and

simple

> > meaning but to find something new out of the ordinary;

something that

> > can give us some new info and a fresh perspective. :) And I

hope that

> > the exercise did provide some good pointers. For example took

at the

> > revelation about the existence of practical, useful and

popular

> > astrological astrological wisdom that was in use DURING VEDIC

PERIOD

> > (before BC 3000?) itself by a simple word "Atithi" (Guest),

which the

> > foreigners may simple ignore! Look at the info given below -

> > //'Tithi' (the lunar day) comes into existence by the

longitudinal

> > difference of Sun and Moon. It is one of the base parameters

used

> > > in ancient indian time reckoning. Tithis are classified

as good and

> > bad and some results attached to them. The concept of Tithi

is in

> > > existance means -

> > * Astronomy and Astrology was in existence

> > * The division of zodiac into 360 degree was in existance

(because

> > each Tithi spans 12 degree)

> > * Methods to calculate the position of Sun, Moon and Planets

and

> > predictive astrology was well in place.

> > Good to know that all this was true even in the far ancient

period

> > of Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Even the simple use of the

word

> > "Atithi" proves it, because Atithi means - One who comes

without

> > considering Tithi. (This means that there was a custom of

> > considering/selecting Tithi for everything during those

days).//

> > Let us remember that it is all based on the simple word

"Atithi"

> > (guest) which anyone must have ignored or side-tracked as

'simple'.

> > But if one is ready to look with a fresh perspective, (for

every

> > indian familiar with such systems, beliefs and a feel for

that

> > astrological perspective), it brings such a wealth of

info that it

> > gives us a window into "the history of predictive astrology

and its

> > development"; "the history of astronomy and its

development". Actually

> > the existence of the word "Atithi" or "Muhurta" is simply

ENOUGH to

> > prove the existence of predictive astrology during BC 3000!

But such

> > facts fools like AKK fails to see and understand! The whole

effort of

> > that thought stream was not to educate public about the

meaning of a

> > quote, but to point to the usefulness of a fresh and right

perspective

> > into the 'already existing and available information'.

:) Such

> > write-ups are NOT intended at learning or teaching, but

instead

> > intended at "learning to learn" or "teaching to teach" or

even

> > "teaching to learn" or "learning to teach" ;) All the

permutation

> > combinations and all the possibilities are relevant - and

that is what

> > 'thought' and 'logic' is! The Sanskrit word for logic is

'Ukti' and

> > its defenition 'Unakteeti Yukti' (one that which connects -

things

> > with one another - is called Ukti). And it is such lost but

relevant

> > connections are what we are looking for. :) We intend to

provide the

> > spark and the thread of connections should ignite itself in

this net

> > connect group () by considering all the possible

> > permutation combinations and playing with them - have fun as

well the

> > surprise of own intuition! (In astrology intuition is

'practiced'! I

> > don't think there is any other branch of knowledge that asks

and

> > provides one with methods to 'practice intuition'! Anyway,

but that is

> > a subject outside the scope of this thread)

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

"Bhaskar"

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > "Atithi Devo Bhav'

> > >

> > > This has got certain connotations and a message.

Normally guests inform

> > > us beforehand when they are coming to our place. This

when means the

> > > Date or the tithi (As the word used to denote date in

the older time

> > > shwne Sanskrit was used).

> > >

> > > So when a Guest comes without informing the date

(Atithi) of his

> > > arrival, he must be treated as one would treat a God.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

>

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