Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I also say the same thing and agree with you Bhaskar sir,What's the problem?...No problem!!-gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > I once again say the same thing...> > If one cannot prepare a vegetable dish from the banana leaf, does not> mean that others cannot do it...> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > There is only Natal chart here.No bhava or navamsa!!!> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > Sorry,> > >> > > We have seen people predicting very well from -> > >> > > 1) Just the Natal Chart,> > >> > > 2) Natal and Navamsa.> > >> > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit.> > >> > > None of the above use the other charts......> > >> > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts> > and> > > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology> > we> > > have learnt ?> > >> > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and> > predicted> > > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil> > now> > > ?> > >> > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not> > > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D> > Chart> > > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick> up> > > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be> > > authenticated.> > >> > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody> is> > > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst> > > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so> > > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and> > > prove that ? Why to search for such examples?> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Sonia ji,> > > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine> with> > > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the> > > thread....> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta> > > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > >> > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd> > > > house,> > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with> 5th.> > > And> > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > >> > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> directly> > > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to> > fifth> > > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education> and> > > its> > > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in> > > this> > > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running> the> > > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Sonia> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________________________________> > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > Re: SRILANKA> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Soniaji,> > > > >> > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds> > me> > > > that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > >> > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> aspected> > > by> > > > sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > >> > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd> > > house,> > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th.> > And> > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > >> > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth> lord> > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > >> > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > >> > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> > > Eighth> > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > >> > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > >> > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will> > share> > > > other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > > > details. //> > > > >> > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till> > > > Bachelors.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > Mehdiratta> > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> aspected> > by> > > > sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord> > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> > > Eighth> > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will> > > share> > > > other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > > > details.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sonia> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > >> > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed> > in> > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> debilitated,> > > but> > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> planetary> > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> Mercury> > > has> > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education> should> > be> > > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > >> > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > >> > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no> > direct> > > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in> own> > > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance> > in> > > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > >> > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from> > > Moon?> > > > > >> > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> > > lord> > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> also> > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > > change> > > > in educational stream.//> > > > > >> > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in> > earlier> > > > mail.> > > > > >> > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be> very> > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > > education and will do well.//> > > > > >> > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > Mehdiratta> > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed> in> > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> debilitated,> > > but> > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> planetary> > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> Mercury> > > has> > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education> should> > > be> > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha> > will> > > be> > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be> > > Moon> > > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All> > these> > > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to> > > fifth> > > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in> > > exaltation> > > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but> overall> > > > dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> > > broadly> > > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is> > > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> > take> > > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > > change> > > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter> > > mahadashas> > > > will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be> very> > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail.> > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its> own> > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous> > mail.> > > I> > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that> > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of> house> > > > > > >> > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Bhaskar"> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I> > > understood.> > > > That> > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from> > the> > > > Natal> > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it> > cannot> > > > be> > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D> > Charts> > > > to locate> > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP,> does> > > not> > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot> > notice> > > it> > > > through> > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the> why> > > for> > > > every> > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also> > to> > > do> > > > instead> > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the> > > chart> > > > has> > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any> system,> > > but> > > > rather> > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about.> If> > > for> > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D> Charts,> > > then> > > > please> > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we> can> > > > learn more> > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "axeplex"> > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from> > > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable> > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Suresh> > > > Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter> > with> > > > D-12, D1> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come> > back> > > > in> > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even> > three> > > > months.> > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have> > > > participated> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for> > > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly> > > > predicts the> > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family> > > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem.> He> > > does> > > > not> > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT> > > Sonography> > > > or an X> > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected.> > This> > > > does not> > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where> > 80%> > > > of the> > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also> > > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in> this> > > > Group till> > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts> and> > > > also> > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal> > Chart> > > > on a> > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on> display> > > all> > > > what> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even> if> > I> > > > give you a> > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food> > > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where> there> > is> > > > no> > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > opposition> > > > since it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is> seen> > > in> > > > Natal> > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact> it> > > is> > > > better> > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in> > > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what> > works,> > > > rather> > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> between> > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote> > in> > > > one of my> > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study> well,> > > you> > > > will> > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses> Nakshtra> > > > level> > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study> the> > D> > > > Charts in> > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > nessessary> > > > or> > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from> > you.> > > > But> > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and> does> > > not> > > > need> > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does> > not> > > > teach us> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same> window.> > > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha> > > meant> > > > for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the> group> > > to> > > > at> > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot> > > predict> > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> Chart.> > //> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn> > but> > > > am anyday> > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where> there> > is> > > > no> > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen> > in> > > > Natal> > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it> is> > > > better if> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what> works,> > > > rather than> > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> between> > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well,> > you> > > > will> > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses> > Nakshtra> > > > level> > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study> the> > D> > > > Charts in> > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > nessessary> > > > or> > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not> ignore> > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at> > > least> > > > 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the> ASC> > > > window and> > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does> not> > > > teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window.> What> > > is> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot> > predict> > > > education> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how> to> > > > calculate> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall> be> > > > studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1> > also.> > > > Basic> > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group> > are> > > > more> > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are> wrong.> > > > Everyone> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical> here.> > > And> > > > when it> > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take> > > > education,> > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000> > people> > > > born with> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be> > > even> > > > more if> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if> > someone> > > > predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to> > > exist.> > > > We had> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back.> > > Whatever> > > > concept> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what> > > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is> not> > > > written in> > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going> > through> > > a> > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D> > Charts> > > > without> > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please> tell> > > me> > > > how can> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal> > MBBS> > > > Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is> > born.> > > > Its> > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the> > members> > > > here too,> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal> Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself> > > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> actually,> > > > instead its> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has> taken> > > to> > > > approach> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart> > for> > > > say the> > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or> what> > > one> > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be> > conformed> > > > from the> > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts> > can> > > be> > > > done in> > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So> if> > > you> > > > want to> > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are> > going> > > to> > > > meet> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how> her> > > > Father is> > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with> that> > > > Girl> > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations> > from> > > > the D> > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it.> > > Just> > > > to add> > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If> > someone> > > > is adept> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> difficult> > > > since there> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different> > > > factors only> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot.> > Nobody> > > > will find> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have> > > > already> > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago,> > > where> > > > I was> > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged> > > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not> > > standing> > > > in> > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides> > and> > > > switch> > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it> > > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching> for> > > > this. You> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one> Line,> > > > which I will> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage> > > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want> > them> > > > to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO> my> > > > efforts are> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to> connect> > > > what has> > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> predicting> > > from> > > > the> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other> > > Charts.> > > > In fact> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart> in> > > > hand or> > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying> to> > > > compare KP> > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> comparison.> > I> > > > was> > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to> reach> > > the> > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts,> I> > > > don't know> > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly.> > > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone> > > through> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on> > > same.> > > > So I am> > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> statement> > > and> > > > normally> > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for> anybody> > to> > > > argue or> > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show> me> > > any> > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D> Charts.> > I> > > > have put> > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> existence> > of> > > D> > > > Charts,> > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every> mail> > > > please,> > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking> > about> > > > Tarot> > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls> and> > > > this will> > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say> that> > > just> > > > as> > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in> same> > > way> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this> ?> > I> > > > am not.> > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the> > > issue> > > > about> > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D> Charts,> > > but> > > > thats a> > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every> > > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of> > > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications> > are> > > > there in> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or> > virtual> > > > D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an> > > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> selecting> > an> > > > option in> > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard> > but> > > > results> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that> > divides> > > > whole> > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which> > divides> > > > the crowd> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts> and> > > > sub/> > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when> somone> > > > approaches> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts,> > > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of> Charts> > ,> > > in> > > > books> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and> > relating> > > > the Life> > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find> the> > > > mention of> > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any> > Shastra.> > > > If any> > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one> of> > > his> > > > books,> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are> not> > to> > > > be> > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points> of> > > > influence> > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as> the> > > > meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not> matter> > > in> > > > aspects,> > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can> read> > > the> > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> Divisional> > > > Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one> > reads> > > > the chart> > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct> > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. http://in./> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, If You mean to say that I do not know the use of D Charts, then You are mistaken Sir. I have learnt the use (Practical) of D Charts from one of the best Qualified Astrologers in India, but am not at all inclined to display the (study)same over here, for various reasons.... best wishes, Bhaskar. , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > I also say the same thing and agree with you Bhaskar sir,What's the > problem?...No problem!! > -gopi. > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > I once again say the same thing... > > > > If one cannot prepare a vegetable dish from the banana leaf, does not > > mean that others cannot do it... > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > There is only Natal chart here.No bhava or navamsa!!! > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > > > We have seen people predicting very well from - > > > > > > > > 1) Just the Natal Chart, > > > > > > > > 2) Natal and Navamsa. > > > > > > > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit. > > > > > > > > None of the above use the other charts...... > > > > > > > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D > Charts > > > and > > > > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only > astrology > > > we > > > > have learnt ? > > > > > > > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and > > > predicted > > > > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups > uptil > > > now > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not > > > > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D > > > Chart > > > > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick > > up > > > > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be > > > > authenticated. > > > > > > > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come > everybody > > is > > > > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst > > > > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so > > > > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope > and > > > > prove that ? Why to search for such examples? > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sonia ji, > > > > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine > > with > > > > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the > > > > thread.... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > , Sonia > Mehdiratta > > > > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > 5th. > > > > And > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > directly > > > > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to > > > fifth > > > > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > and > > > > its > > > > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses > in > > > > this > > > > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > the > > > > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > reminds > > > me > > > > > that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected > > > > by > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > 5th. > > > And > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > > > Eighth > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share > > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected > > > by > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > > > share > > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > > in > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > should > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct > > > > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > own > > > > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > disturbance > > > in > > > > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > in > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > should > > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > > will > > > > be > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > be > > > > Moon > > > > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > these > > > > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > to > > > > fifth > > > > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > exaltation > > > > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > overall > > > > > dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly > > > > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord > is > > > > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > take > > > > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas > > > > > will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > own > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > > mail. > > > > I > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > that > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > from > > > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > cannot > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > Charts > > > > > to locate > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice > > > > it > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > why > > > > for > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > also > > > to > > > > do > > > > > instead > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > the > > > > chart > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > system, > > > > but > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > about. > > If > > > > for > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > Charts, > > > > then > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > can > > > > > learn more > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > from > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > vegetable > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > Suresh > > > > > Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > with > > > > > D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > come > > > back > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > three > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > have > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > strongly > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > family > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > He > > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography > > > > > or an X > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > suspected. > > > This > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > where > > > 80% > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > this > > > > > Group till > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > Chart > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > display > > > > all > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > if > > > I > > > > > give you a > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > food > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > there > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition > > > > > since it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > > in > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > fact > > it > > > > is > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > in > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > wrote > > > in > > > > > one of my > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > Nakshtra > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the > > > D > > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > you. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > does > > > > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > does > > > not > > > > > teach us > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > window. > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > Navamsha > > > > meant > > > > > for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > group > > > > to > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > learn > > > but > > > > > am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > there > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > seen > > > in > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > it > > is > > > > > better if > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > works, > > > > > rather than > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > well, > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > predicts > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the > > > D > > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > ignore > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > at > > > > least > > > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > ASC > > > > > window and > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > not > > > > > teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > What > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > how > > to > > > > > calculate > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > be > > > > > studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > also. > > > > > Basic > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > group > > > are > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > wrong. > > > > > Everyone > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > here. > > > > And > > > > > when it > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > take > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people > > > > > born with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > be > > > > even > > > > > more if > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > to > > > > exist. > > > > > We had > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > Whatever > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > what > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > not > > > > > written in > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through > > > > a > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > tell > > > > me > > > > > how can > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > MBBS > > > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > born. > > > > > Its > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members > > > > > here too, > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > actually, > > > > > instead its > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > taken > > > > to > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > chart > > > for > > > > > say the > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > what > > > > one > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > Charts > > > can > > > > be > > > > > done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > So > > if > > > > you > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > going > > > > to > > > > > meet > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > her > > > > > Father is > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > that > > > > > Girl > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > it. > > > > Just > > > > > to add > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone > > > > > is adept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > difficult > > > > > since there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > different > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody > > > > > will find > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > have > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > ago, > > > > where > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > rummaged > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > standing > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > sides > > > and > > > > > switch > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > it > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > for > > > > > this. You > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > Line, > > > > > which I will > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > want > > > them > > > > > to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > SO > > my > > > > > efforts are > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > connect > > > > > what has > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > predicting > > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > Charts. > > > > > In fact > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > chart > > in > > > > > hand or > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > to > > > > > compare KP > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > comparison. > > > I > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > reach > > > > the > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > D-charts, > > I > > > > > don't know > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > properly. > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > on > > > > same. > > > > > So I am > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > statement > > > > and > > > > > normally > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > anybody > > > to > > > > > argue or > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > show > > me > > > > any > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > Charts. > > > I > > > > > have put > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > existence > > > of > > > > D > > > > > Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > mail > > > > > please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > about > > > > > Tarot > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > and > > > > > this will > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > that > > > > just > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > same > > > > way > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > this > > ? > > > I > > > > > am not. > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > the > > > > issue > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > Charts, > > > > but > > > > > thats a > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > indications > > > are > > > > > there in > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual > > > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > selecting > > > an > > > > > option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > keyboard > > > but > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides > > > > > the crowd > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > and > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > somone > > > > > approaches > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > charts, > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > Charts > > > , > > > > in > > > > > books > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating > > > > > the Life > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > the > > > > > mention of > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > one > > of > > > > his > > > > > books, > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > not > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > of > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > the > > > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > matter > > > > in > > > > > aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > read > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > Divisional > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > reads > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji,i never say/said that.Never....Regards,gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > If You mean to say that I do not know the use of D Charts, then You are> mistaken Sir. I have learnt the use (Practical) of D Charts from one of> the best Qualified Astrologers in India, but am not at all inclined to> display the (study)same over here, for various reasons....> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > I also say the same thing and agree with you Bhaskar sir,What's the> > problem?...No problem!!> > -gopi.> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I once again say the same thing...> > >> > > If one cannot prepare a vegetable dish from the banana leaf, does> not> > > mean that others cannot do it...> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > There is only Natal chart here.No bhava or navamsa!!!> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear all,> > > > >> > > > > Sorry,> > > > >> > > > > We have seen people predicting very well from -> > > > >> > > > > 1) Just the Natal Chart,> > > > >> > > > > 2) Natal and Navamsa.> > > > >> > > > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit.> > > > >> > > > > None of the above use the other charts......> > > > >> > > > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D> > Charts> > > > and> > > > > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only> > astrology> > > > we> > > > > have learnt ?> > > > >> > > > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and> > > > predicted> > > > > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups> > uptil> > > > now> > > > > ?> > > > >> > > > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not> > > > > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the> D> > > > Chart> > > > > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not> pick> > > up> > > > > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be> > > > > authenticated.> > > > >> > > > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come> > everybody> > > is> > > > > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody> amongst> > > > > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so> > > > > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope> > and> > > > > prove that ? Why to search for such examples?> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sonia ji,> > > > > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not> conclude/determine> > > with> > > > > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the> > > > > thread....> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > , Sonia> > Mehdiratta> > > > > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from> > 2nd> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> with> > > 5th.> > > > > And> > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> > > directly> > > > > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected> to> > > > fifth> > > > > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of> education> > > and> > > > > its> > > > > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth> houses> > in> > > > > this> > > > > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently> running> > > the> > > > > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it> > reminds> > > > me> > > > > > that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > aspected> > > > > by> > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from> > 2nd> > > > > house,> > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with> > 5th.> > > > And> > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth> > > lord> > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> > lord.> > > > > Eighth> > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> will> > > > share> > > > > > other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> nakshatra> > > > > > details. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous> till> > > > > > Bachelors.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > > Mehdiratta> > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > aspected> > > > by> > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth> > lord> > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> lord.> > > > > Eighth> > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> > will> > > > > share> > > > > > other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > nakshatra> > > > > > details.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > placed> > > > in> > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > > debilitated,> > > > > but> > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > > planetary> > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > > Mercury> > > > > has> > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education> > > should> > > > be> > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no> > > > direct> > > > > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon> in> > > own> > > > > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some> > disturbance> > > > in> > > > > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts> > from> > > > > Moon?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will> > be> > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> > sign> > > > > lord> > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he> could> > > also> > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> > some> > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> > some> > > > > change> > > > > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in> > > > earlier> > > > > > mail.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not> be> > > very> > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > > > Mehdiratta> > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > placed> > > in> > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > > debilitated,> > > > > but> > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > > planetary> > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > > Mercury> > > > > has> > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education> > > should> > > > > be> > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance> dasha> > > > will> > > > > be> > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow> will> > be> > > > > Moon> > > > > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education.> All> > > > these> > > > > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct> connection> > to> > > > > fifth> > > > > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in> > > > > exaltation> > > > > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but> > > overall> > > > > > dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will> be> > > > > broadly> > > > > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> lord> > is> > > > > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> > also> > > > take> > > > > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> > some> > > > > change> > > > > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter> > > > > mahadashas> > > > > > will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be> > > very> > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long> mail.> > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has> its> > > own> > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my> previous> > > > mail.> > > > > I> > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so> > that> > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of> > > house> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I> > > > > understood.> > > > > > That> > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person> > specific.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event> > from> > > > the> > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or> it> > > > cannot> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the> D> > > > Charts> > > > > > to locate> > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through> KP,> > > does> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot> > > > notice> > > > > it> > > > > > through> > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out> the> > > why> > > > > for> > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work> > also> > > > to> > > > > do> > > > > > instead> > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that> > the> > > > > chart> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or> KP.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any> > > system,> > > > > but> > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know> > about.> > > If> > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D> > > Charts,> > > > > then> > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that> we> > > can> > > > > > learn more> > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish> > from> > > > > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that> > vegetable> > > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > Suresh> > > > > > Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the> matter> > > > with> > > > > > D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely> > come> > > > back> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be> even> > > > three> > > > > > months.> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I> > have> > > > > > participated> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for> > > > > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12> > strongly> > > > > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal> > family> > > > > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a> problem.> > > He> > > > > does> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT> > > > > Sonography> > > > > > or an X> > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already> > suspected.> > > > This> > > > > > does not> > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group,> > where> > > > 80%> > > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and> also> > > > > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you> in> > > this> > > > > > Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D> Charts> > > and> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the> Natal> > > > Chart> > > > > > on a> > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on> > > display> > > > > all> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples> even> > > if> > > > I> > > > > > give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the> > food> > > > > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where> > > there> > > > is> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > > > opposition> > > > > > since it> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what> is> > > seen> > > > > in> > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In> > fact> > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation> > in> > > > > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what> > > > works,> > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> > > between> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already> > wrote> > > > in> > > > > > one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study> > > well,> > > > > you> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses> > > Nakshtra> > > > > > level> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> have> > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to> study> > > the> > > > D> > > > > > Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > > > nessessary> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn> from> > > > you.> > > > > > But> > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and> > > does> > > > > not> > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology> > does> > > > not> > > > > > teach us> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same> > > window.> > > > > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the> > Navamsha> > > > > meant> > > > > > for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the> > > group> > > > > to> > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one> cannot> > > > > predict> > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> > > Chart.> > > > //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would> > learn> > > > but> > > > > > am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where> > > there> > > > is> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is> > seen> > > > in> > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact> > it> > > is> > > > > > better if> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what> > > works,> > > > > > rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> > > between> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study> > well,> > > > you> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses> > > > Nakshtra> > > > > > level> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> > have> > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone> > predicts> > > > > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to> study> > > the> > > > D> > > > > > Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > > > nessessary> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not> > > ignore> > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group> of> > at> > > > > least> > > > > > 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in> the> > > ASC> > > > > > window and> > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology> does> > > not> > > > > > teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same> window.> > > What> > > > > is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for> ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot> > > > predict> > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on> > how> > > to> > > > > > calculate> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts> shall> > > be> > > > > > studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read> D-1> > > > also.> > > > > > Basic> > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the> > group> > > > are> > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are> > > wrong.> > > > > > Everyone> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical> > > here.> > > > > And> > > > > > when it> > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us> > take> > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000> > > > people> > > > > > born with> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and> may> > be> > > > > even> > > > > > more if> > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if> > > > someone> > > > > > predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has> > to> > > > > exist.> > > > > > We had> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days> back.> > > > > Whatever> > > > > > concept> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider> > what> > > > > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP> is> > > not> > > > > > written in> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going> > > > through> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D> > > > Charts> > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart.> Please> > > tell> > > > > me> > > > > > how can> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the> normal> > > > MBBS> > > > > > Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children> is> > > > born.> > > > > > Its> > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the> > > > members> > > > > > here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal> > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your> goodself> > > > > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> > > actually,> > > > > > instead its> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has> > > taken> > > > > to> > > > > > approach> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal> > chart> > > > for> > > > > > say the> > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa> or> > > what> > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be> > > > conformed> > > > > > from the> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D> > Charts> > > > can> > > > > be> > > > > > done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father.> > So> > > if> > > > > you> > > > > > want to> > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and> are> > > > going> > > > > to> > > > > > meet> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see> how> > > her> > > > > > Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son> with> > > that> > > > > > Girl> > > > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with> confirmations> > > > from> > > > > > the D> > > > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching> > it.> > > > > Just> > > > > > to add> > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If> > > > someone> > > > > > is adept> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> > > difficult> > > > > > since there> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of> > different> > > > > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot.> > > > Nobody> > > > > > will find> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I> > have> > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years> > ago,> > > > > where> > > > > > I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process> > rummaged> > > > > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am> not> > > > > standing> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change> > sides> > > > and> > > > > > switch> > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This> makes> > it> > > > > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother> searching> > > for> > > > > > this. You> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one> > > Line,> > > > > > which I will> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage> > > > > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I> > want> > > > them> > > > > > to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance.> > SO> > > my> > > > > > efforts are> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to> > > connect> > > > > > what has> > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> > > predicting> > > > > from> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the> other> > > > > Charts.> > > > > > In fact> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth> > chart> > > in> > > > > > hand or> > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not> saying> > > to> > > > > > compare KP> > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> > > comparison.> > > > I> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to> > > reach> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in> > D-charts,> > > I> > > > > > don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail> > properly.> > > > > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have> gone> > > > > through> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments> > on> > > > > same.> > > > > > So I am> > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> > > statement> > > > > and> > > > > > normally> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for> > > anybody> > > > to> > > > > > argue or> > > > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you> > show> > > me> > > > > any> > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D> > > Charts.> > > > I> > > > > > have put> > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> > > existence> > > > of> > > > > D> > > > > > Charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in> every> > > mail> > > > > > please,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start> talking> > > > about> > > > > > Tarot> > > > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal> balls> > > and> > > > > > this will> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say> > > that> > > > > just> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions,> in> > > same> > > > > way> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating> > this> > > ?> > > > I> > > > > > am not.> > > > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres> > the> > > > > issue> > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D> > > Charts,> > > > > but> > > > > > thats a> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of> every> > > > > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of> > > > > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some> > indications> > > > are> > > > > > there in> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or> > > > virtual> > > > > > D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an> > > > > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> > > selecting> > > > an> > > > > > option in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses> > keyboard> > > > but> > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that> > > > divides> > > > > > whole> > > > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which> > > > divides> > > > > > the crowd> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual> charts> > > and> > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when> > > somone> > > > > > approaches> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind> > charts,> > > > > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of> > > Charts> > > > ,> > > > > in> > > > > > books> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and> > > > relating> > > > > > the Life> > > > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never> find> > > the> > > > > > mention of> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any> > > > Shastra.> > > > > > If any> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in> > one> > > of> > > > > his> > > > > > books,> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc.> are> > > not> > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the> points> > > of> > > > > > influence> > > > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall> as> > > the> > > > > > meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not> > > matter> > > > > in> > > > > > aspects,> > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can> > > read> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> > > Divisional> > > > > > Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if> one> > > > reads> > > > > > the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct> > > > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. http://in./> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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