External and Internal Bhavas

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Dear Members,    In Shloka 16 of chapter 1, Bhrhath Jathaka of Varahamihira, the names of the bhavas are listed and these are called Internal bhavas by the Prashna Marga(ch.14, Shloka10). Names of these internal Bhavas are:

 1.Kalpa, 2. Swa,3, Vikrama,4. Grha,5. Prthibha,6. Kshatha,7,Chitthotha,8. Randhra,9. Guru,10. Mana, मान,

11. Bhava, भव,12.  Vyaya      The 11th bhava is named भव , and my request to learned members is to  give detailed interpretation to this word as applicable to 11th bhava.

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Dear Udupa ji, That sloka deals with internal qualities. I will just quote the meaning of each word below -1) Kalya = Fame =Lagna)2) Swa = Own = 2nd house3) Vikrama = Courage =3rd house4) Griha = Home =4th house5) Pratibha = Genius =5th house6) Ksheta = (Internal/mental) wound =6th house7) Chittottha = Ego =7th house8) Randhra = Hole/Yoni (the one that causes lose of vigor, vitality, longevity) = 8th house9) Guru = (Spiritual) Guru/Siva/Atma (the true guru is within/true guru is siva) =9th house10) Mana = Abhimana, Consciousness about own position, status and reputation; Proudness = 10th house11) Bhava = B:irth/Origin/Essene/Gain/Samsara or Bhuvana (internal world) = 11th house12) Vyaya = (internal) Expense (expense of pranasakti, vitality, power, intellect etc etc) As per Prashna marga, A house becomes INTERNAL, or better the INTERNAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE AMPLIFIES when the house lord is place in that house. In prashna 11th house is used to think about the messenger(Doota)/qurrent. Why? Because the prashna originates at the time of Prischa (question) by the messenger or querrent. And 11th house indicate the ORIGIN of the Prashna and so the messenger/qurrent. This is the very reason for thinking about "Doota" (messenger) based on 11th house in Ashtamangala prashna etc. Hope this helps.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> Dear Members,> In Shloka 16 of chapter 1, *Bhrhath Jathaka* of Varahamihira, the names> of the bhavas are listed and these are called Internal bhavas by the *Prashna> Marga*(ch.14, Shloka10). Names of these internal Bhavas are:> 1.Kalpa,> 2. Swa,> 3, Vikrama,> 4. Grha,> 5. Prthibha,> 6. Kshatha,> 7,Chitthotha,> 8. Randhra,> 9. Guru,> 10. Mana, *मान,*> 11. Bhava, *भव,*> 12. Vyaya * *> * *The 11th bhava is named *भव* , and my request to learned members is to> give detailed interpretation to this word as applicable to 11th bhava.> Thank you in advance> Regards,> Udupa> > > ,> > > -- > > Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in>

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Dear Sreenadh ji thanks for your time replying to my mail. In what you write, is there an implication that the internal significations of bhavas are useful only in prashna situations? If no,  in a natal chart, then, what would be the internal significations of 11th bhava?

   If 11th house is the origin of the question ie the querren,t then, is it wrong to assume 1st bhava represents the querrent? what would be the difference between 1st and 11th bhava?   Though in Prashna marga 1st Bhava is indicated as Kalya , in the text of Brhath Jathaka it is given as " Kalpa " which looks more appropriate to me. Please give your opinion on it.

   Also Grha is the internal signification for 4th bhava as per this list. What is internal about Grha if it has to mean just house which is a very much an external signification? Thank you once again.

Regards,Udupa   On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:02 PM, sreesog <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Udupa ji,    That sloka deals with internal qualities.  I will just quote the meaning of each word below -1) Kalya = Fame =Lagna)2) Swa = Own  = 2nd house3) Vikrama = Courage  =3rd house

4) Griha = Home  =4th house5) Pratibha = Genius  =5th house6) Ksheta = (Internal/mental) wound  =6th house7) Chittottha = Ego  =7th house8) Randhra = Hole/Yoni (the one that causes lose of vigor, vitality, longevity)  = 8th house

9) Guru = (Spiritual) Guru/Siva/Atma (the true guru is within/true guru is siva) =9th house10) Mana = Abhimana, Consciousness about own position, status and reputation; Proudness = 10th house11) Bhava = B:irth/Origin/Essene/Gain/Samsara or Bhuvana (internal world) = 11th house

12) Vyaya = (internal) Expense (expense of pranasakti, vitality, power, intellect etc etc)  As per Prashna marga, A house becomes INTERNAL, or better the INTERNAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE AMPLIFIES when the house lord is place in that house.

  In prashna 11th house is used to think about the messenger(Doota)/qurrent. Why? Because the prashna originates at the time of Prischa (question) by the messenger or querrent. And 11th house indicate the ORIGIN of the Prashna and so the messenger/qurrent. This is the very reason for thinking about " Doota " (messenger) based on 11th house in Ashtamangala prashna etc. Hope this helps.

Love and regards,Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote:

>> Dear Members,> In Shloka 16 of chapter 1, *Bhrhath Jathaka* of Varahamihira, the names> of the bhavas are listed and these are called Internal bhavas by the *Prashna> Marga*(ch.14, Shloka10). Names of these internal Bhavas are:

> 1.Kalpa,> 2. Swa,> 3, Vikrama,> 4. Grha,> 5. Prthibha,> 6. Kshatha,> 7,Chitthotha,> 8. Randhra,> 9. Guru,> 10. Mana, *मान,*> 11. Bhava, *भव,*

> 12. Vyaya * *> * *The 11th bhava is named *भव* , and my request to learned members is to> give detailed interpretation to this word as applicable to 11th bhava.> Thank you in advance

> Regards,> Udupa> > > ,> > > -- > > Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Udupa ji, //In what you write, is there an implication that the internal significations of bhavas are useful only in prashna situations?//No, it is applicable everywhere. //If no,  in a natal chart, then, what would be the internal significations of 11th bhava?//  As already mentioned in previous mail it indicate - //B:irth/Origin/Essene/Gain/Samsara or Bhuvana (internal world)//// If 11th house is the origin of the question ie the querren,t then, is it wrong to assume 1st bhava represents the querrent?//  Actually the qurrent is Lagna and messenger (who asks the question for the qurrent; the messenger who originates prashna from the perspective of the astrologer) is the origin.  11th is not only the origin and messenger, but also the root cause of the question as well. //what would be the difference between 1st and 11th bhava?//Already explained. //    Though in Prashna marga 1st Bhava is indicated as Kalya , in the text of Brhath Jathaka it is given as " Kalpa " which looks more appropriate to me.//  Why? Please explain. //Also Grha is the internal signification for 4th bhava as per this list. What is internal about Grha if it has to mean just house which is a very much an external signification?// Griha here means not house but HOME. House is external but home is internal. Love and regards,Sreenadh  -sreesogSent: 12/02/09 04:09 PMGuru, Subject: Re: External and Internal Bhavas  Dear Sreenadh ji  thanks for your time replying to my mail.  In what you write, is there an implication that the internal significations of bhavas are useful only in prashna situations? If no,  in a natal chart, then, what would be the internal significations of 11th bhava?    If 11th house is the origin of the question ie the querren,t then, is it wrong to assume 1st bhava represents the querrent? what would be the difference between 1st and 11th bhava?    Though in Prashna marga 1st Bhava is indicated as Kalya , in the text of Brhath Jathaka it is given as " Kalpa " which looks more appropriate to me. Please give your opinion on it.    Also Grha is the internal signification for 4th bhava as per this list. What is internal about Grha if it has to mean just house which is a very much an external signification?  Thank you once again. Regards, Udupa     On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:02 PM, sreesog <sreesog wrote:   Dear Udupa ji,    That sloka deals with internal qualities.  I will just quote the meaning of each word below - 1) Kalya = Fame =Lagna) 2) Swa = Own  = 2nd house 3) Vikrama = Courage  =3rd house 4) Griha = Home  =4th house 5) Pratibha = Genius  =5th house 6) Ksheta = (Internal/mental) wound  =6th house 7) Chittottha = Ego  =7th house 8) Randhra = Hole/Yoni (the one that causes lose of vigor, vitality, longevity)  = 8th house 9) Guru = (Spiritual) Guru/Siva/Atma (the true guru is within/true guru is siva) =9th house 10) Mana = Abhimana, Consciousness about own position, status and reputation; Proudness = 10th house 11) Bhava = B:irth/Origin/Essene/Gain/Samsara or Bhuvana (internal world) = 11th house 12) Vyaya = (internal) Expense (expense of pranasakti, vitality, power, intellect etc etc)   As per Prashna marga, A house becomes INTERNAL, or better the INTERNAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE AMPLIFIES when the house lord is place in that house.   In prashna 11th house is used to think about the messenger(Doota)/qurrent. Why? Because the prashna originates at the time of Prischa (question) by the messenger or querrent. And 11th house indicate the ORIGIN of the Prashna and so the messenger/qurrent. This is the very reason for thinking about " Doota " (messenger) based on 11th house in Ashtamangala prashna etc. Hope this helps. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote: > > Dear Members, > In Shloka 16 of chapter 1, *Bhrhath Jathaka* of Varahamihira, the names > of the bhavas are listed and these are called Internal bhavas by the *Prashna > Marga*(ch.14, Shloka10). Names of these internal Bhavas are: > 1.Kalpa, > 2. Swa, > 3, Vikrama, > 4. Grha, > 5. Prthibha, > 6. Kshatha, > 7,Chitthotha, > 8. Randhra, > 9. Guru, > 10. Mana, *मान,* > 11. Bhava, *भव,* > 12. Vyaya * * > * *The 11th bhava is named *भव* , and my request to learned members is to > give detailed interpretation to this word as applicable to 11th bhava. > Thank you in advance > Regards, > Udupa > > > , > > > -- > > Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in > -- Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in    

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Dear Sreenadh ji,    Thank you for seeking explanation for the point I mentioned. I will come to it a bit later.    The reason I started this thread was because I was working on an idea that horoscope can be used to draw the " personality traits profile " of the native based on horoscope. Of course, this idea is nothing new. The point I am bringing out is that the internal Bhavas can be used for this purpose. Also took the cue from BPHS chapter 26.I decided to use theory of cuspal interlinks.  I have prepared a paper in this which I have not so far published as I want to refine it. The part of the paper pertaining to interpretations  to all internal significations is reproduced below. In this there is a mistaken notion on 11th bhava due to my misreading भव  as भाव from English translation. Keeping the above in mind I would request you to give detailed interpretation to internal signification of 11th of bhava.  I also welcome your comments on each of the points.

Internal Bhavas

Internal Bhavas are nothing but psychological aspects of the

houses. The meanings of various Bhavas are which would help in drawing a

personality outline is given in the table “Bhavas and their abstract meaningsâ€.

These are mainly drawn from Kalidasa’s Uttrakalamrutha. The detailed meaning s

of Internal Bhavas as given in Brihat Jathaka is attempted below.

1)    Kalpa

Kalpa means proper, fit, right,

competent, able etc. What makes a person have all these qualities? It is his

intellect, ability to reason, analyze, and decide. It is his determination and

so on.

2)    Swa

Swa means one’s own, belonging

to oneself. Here we are not talking about cars houses and much other wealth a

man may possess. All these are external in nature. What is internal about it?

That is a person’s individuality. Where and how does it manifest? It is our

ability to observe, listen, talk etc. That is, the difference between ability

to hear versus listen and understand, the difference between seeing versus examining.

 

3)    Vikrama

Vikrama means boldness, courage,

valour, prowess, aptitude etc. It is also a step, pace stride. It shows heroic

action. A step means the thought process to take action or initiative.

4)    Grha

  Grha

means a house. Symbolically it means it is the place where you live your life.

In the zodiac it is the bottom most point. It symbolizes private life. It is

Moksha stana. In that sense it is the condition where one retires into world of

his own. It is the condition of relaxation, calmness.

5)    Prathibha

Prathibha means light,

splendour, understanding, intellect, genius, bright conception, vivid

imagination etc. This is almost similar to first house. Here the term

understanding is particularly important. It is the knowledge with the feel for

it. Hence, all skills in fine arts, which require imagination and understanding,

will come under this house.

6)Kshatha

Kshatha means wound. We are

prone to imagine physical wounds. But the meaning here appears to be wound to

the mind. There is a notion that others cause wound to our minds. When a man

feels hurt it is he who feels hurt and not others are causing it that hurt,

because under a similar situation another person may not feel hurt. Hence the

word Kshatha is tendency to feel hurt.

7)   Chittotta

Chittotta means cupid or that is

born of mind. This shows ones attitude towards sex and the partner.

8) Randhra

Randhra means a hole, an

aperture, a cavity, a chasm, fissure, and a weak or vulnerable point. Here

again, this can mean proneness of an individual to feel insulted or humiliated

in an abstract sense.

9) Guru

 Guru means preceptor as per common

knowledge.  The guru preaches. He lays

down he rules for life. Hence, in an abstract sense how much importance one

attaches to what guru may preach, sense of what is right and wrong or value

system, fear of god, respect for elders etc., would constitute a man’s

personality trait.

10) Maana

Maana means respect, honour,

regard etc Maana also means a measure, a standard. A person wants to do such

things which would bring him greater respect. In his own measure he should set

a standard.. Hence his action or is closely associated with respect. Hence his

attitude toward karma and respect constitute one abstract aspect of

personality.

11) Bhava

Bhava means desire. The word

Bhava has been discussed already.

12) Vyaya

Vyaya means loss, decay,

decline, downfall, expenditure, extravagance etc. In an abstract sense it can

be the attitude towards spending, a feeling in the person of decay, decline, and

dissatisfaction and down fall.Regards,Udupa

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Dear Udupa ji, //In what you write, is there an implication that the internal significations of bhavas are useful only in prashna situations?//

No, it is applicable everywhere. //If no,  in a natal chart, then, what would be the internal significations of 11th bhava?//

  As already mentioned in previous mail it indicate - //B:irth/Origin/Essene/Gain/Samsara or Bhuvana (internal world)//

// If 11th house is the origin of the question ie the querren,t then, is it wrong to assume 1st bhava represents the querrent?//

  Actually the qurrent is Lagna and messenger (who asks the question for the qurrent; the messenger who originates prashna from the perspective of the astrologer) is the origin.  11th is not only the origin and messenger, but also the root cause of the question as well.

//what would be the difference between 1st and 11th bhava?//

Already explained. //    Though in Prashna marga 1st Bhava is indicated as Kalya , in the text of Brhath Jathaka it is given as " Kalpa " which looks more appropriate to me.//

  Why? Please explain. //Also Grha is the internal signification for 4th bhava as per this list. What is internal about Grha if it has to mean just house which is a very much an external signification?//

 Griha here means not house but HOME. House is external but home is internal.

Love and regards,Sreenadh

 

 -sreesog

12/02/09 04:09 PMGuru, Subject: Re: External and Internal Bhavas

  Dear Sreenadh ji  thanks for your time replying to my mail.  In what you write, is there an implication that the internal significations of bhavas are useful only in prashna situations? If no,  in a natal chart, then, what would be the internal significations of 11th bhava?

   If 11th house is the origin of the question ie the querren,t then, is it wrong to assume 1st bhava represents the querrent? what would be the difference between 1st and 11th bhava?

   Though in Prashna marga 1st Bhava is indicated as Kalya , in the text of Brhath Jathaka it is given as " Kalpa " which looks more appropriate to me. Please give your opinion on it.

   Also Grha is the internal signification for 4th bhava as per this list. What is internal about Grha if it has to mean just house which is a very much an external signification?  Thank you once again.

Regards, Udupa     On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:02 PM, sreesog <sreesog wrote:

 

Dear Udupa ji,    That sloka deals with internal qualities.  I will just quote the meaning of each word below -

1) Kalya = Fame =Lagna) 2) Swa = Own  = 2nd house 3) Vikrama = Courage  =3rd house

4) Griha = Home  =4th house 5) Pratibha = Genius  =5th house 6) Ksheta = (Internal/mental) wound  =6th house

7) Chittottha = Ego  =7th house 8) Randhra = Hole/Yoni (the one that causes lose of vigor, vitality, longevity)  = 8th house

9) Guru = (Spiritual) Guru/Siva/Atma (the true guru is within/true guru is siva) =9th house 10) Mana = Abhimana, Consciousness about own position, status and reputation; Proudness = 10th house

11) Bhava = B:irth/Origin/Essene/Gain/Samsara or Bhuvana (internal world) = 11th house 12) Vyaya = (internal) Expense (expense of pranasakti, vitality, power, intellect etc etc)

  As per Prashna marga, A house becomes INTERNAL, or better the INTERNAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE AMPLIFIES when the house lord is place in that house.   In prashna 11th house is used to think about the messenger(Doota)/qurrent. Why? Because the prashna originates at the time of Prischa (question) by the messenger or querrent. And 11th house indicate the ORIGIN of the Prashna and so the messenger/qurrent. This is the very reason for thinking about " Doota " (messenger) based on 11th house in Ashtamangala prashna etc. Hope this helps.

Love and regards, Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote:

> > Dear Members, > In Shloka 16 of chapter 1, *Bhrhath Jathaka* of Varahamihira, the names

> of the bhavas are listed and these are called Internal bhavas by the *Prashna > Marga*(ch.14, Shloka10). Names of these internal Bhavas are:

> 1.Kalpa, > 2. Swa, > 3, Vikrama, > 4. Grha,

> 5. Prthibha, > 6. Kshatha, > 7,Chitthotha, > 8. Randhra,

> 9. Guru, > 10. Mana, *मान,* > 11. Bhava, *भव,* > 12. Vyaya * *

> * *The 11th bhava is named *भव* , and my request to learned members is to > give detailed interpretation to this word as applicable to 11th bhava.

> Thank you in advance > Regards, > Udupa >

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