Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Dear friends, 1) There is nothing to correct in the Nakshatras as these are heavenly bodies and we cannot derecognise them. The Rashi names also cannot be changed as some misguided people are asking for. The Rashis cannot be deleted from where they are being used now as the Rashis are mentioned in the Puranas just because some Pingrean fellows are thinking them to be imported from the Greeks. Some people are ridiculing the use of several Ayanamsha values. Then they can constructively suggest as to what, according to them, is the coirrect Ayanamsha. Otherwise they should keep their dirty destructive mouth shut. 2) There is no need to change the Makar Sankranti either as it is celebrated when there is Makar Sankramana of the Sun on 14th July. Some people suggested that Makar sankranti should be observed when the Sun crosses the " Makar Rekha " but they have failed to give any reference to makar rekha in the ancient shastras. " Makar Rekha " is the translation of the English words the " Tropic of Capricorn " . 3) However as somebody suggested the Uttarayana Punyakala can be celebrated on the shortest day (of the year) from which the Northern course of the Sun begins. But as I have already pointed out that according to the Brahmana of the Veda the shortest day of the year once fell on the Mahashivaratri day and this must also be considered by the learned members before demanding observation of the Uttarayana punyakala on the shrtest day of the year. 4) I am sure there will be people like me who have no objection to adding the Tropical calendar to the Sidereal calendar. Open any calendar these days and you will find that they will tell you when to observe the Buddha purnima, the Nanak purnima, the Mahavira jayanti and the Hindu festivals according to sidereal calendar apart from giving the dates of the Muharram and Eid and the days of Parsi New Year as well as the days of the Easter and Christmas. There is absolutely no problem in accommodating the Tropical calendar in the Sidereal calendar but the destuctive people are not interested in that. How sad? Regards, sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Wed, 11/18/09, hari <harimalla wrote: hari <harimalla Fwd: New vedic panchanga! Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:05 AM  parvasudhar2065, " hari " <harimalla@. ..> wrote: Dear TV Shivaramanji, There surely is the proper way to reform the vedic calendar as shown by our tradition rather than going the sayan way which is the Gregorian way. Instead of correcting three weeks as 'aareni' says by the sayan method, we may as well correct four weeks and up keep our coordinative tradtional vedic calendar which coordinates both the sayan and the nirayan concepts. Regards, Hari Malla HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@> wrote: > > > - > aareni > hinducivilization > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM > [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > > > Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural operations. > > RN Iyengar > > hinducivilization, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@> wrote: > > > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to select a proper muhurth for any purpose? > > > > > > > > Yes, for well over 1400 years we failed to correct our calendars (panchangas) , for what is known as the precession of the equinoxes. Our panchangakars take the length of the year to be 365.258756 days as given in the Surya siddhanta of about 500 A.D., while the correct length of the tropical year, which alone can be used according to the same siddhanta and modern astronomy, for calindrical use, is 365.242196 days. The difference of .01656 days is partly due to errors of observation and failure to recognize the precession of the equinoxes. This modicum of difference has now grossed up to about 23.2 days, with the result the Indian solar year instead of starting on the day following the vernal equinox ( vasantha vishu ) on March 22, starts now on April 13 or 14. > > > > > > > > The Brahmin community, as practitioners of the Vedic religion of sanathana dharma, has a duty to uphold Vedic values. If they follow dharma, every other section of the Hindu community will automatically follow the path of dharma. It is therefore the maiden duty of the Brahmins to help reform our time reckoning. > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Madhu, Mdhava, Sukra, Suchi, Nabhas, Nabhasya, Isa, Urja, Sahas, Sahasya, Tapas and Tapasya? Yes, these are the names of the months as prescribed in our Vedas (Yajur Veda Taittriya samhita 4.4.11) But instead we use the Greek origin translated terms such as Mesha, Rishaba etc. Should we not be saying at least our samkalpas with the names that are given in the Vedas? > > > > > > > > The Vedas have mentioned 28 nakshatras including Abhijit. Each group of stars has a different longitudinal span. Today we take 13 degree 20' span as an average per star and calculate 2.25 stars for 30 degrees or a " Rashi " (which is again a non-vedic adopted term). But when some stars are more than double the average span and some less than half the average, how can you be sure that you are born under the particular star on the present basis of calculation? > > > > > > > > Saka samvatsara year is 1931 for English year 2009. On March 16, 2010 Prabhavati year " Krodhi " begins (Saka1932/ Samvat 2067). But due to the difference in the initial fixation (Saka 1876 -1954-55 AD -- was named 41 Plavanga in northern India and 28 Jaya in the south) there is a difference of one year in the north and 13 years in the south. Actually the sixty- year cycle is based on the transit of Jupiter. Jupiter should transit the Aquarius (kumbha ) sign and simultaneously when the sun transits Mesha (Vishu sampat ), the Kumbha mela is held in Haridwar, a very auspicious event for the Hindus. This should have been on March 21, 2009. But alas it is going to be celebrated in March 2010 when Jupiter is actually in Pisces (Meena )! This is how all our rituals and festivals are now-a-days celebrated in Bharatha varsha. > > > > > > > > To end all these anomalies and errors and for re-establishing sanathana dharma on the correct path and unify the Hindu community of both the north and south, a new panchanga has taken shape in the form of > > > > > > > > " Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak " . > > > > > > > > Here the months are Vedic, dates are called gatey( in the sense of the Sanskrit word Gatih), nakshatras are as per their actual span, timings are given in hours and minuts, (not nazhiga and vinazhiga), thithis are mentioned correctly as per their duration. Corresponding English dates are also provided. Festivals dates are mentioned correctly as per shastric formulations. " Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak " is published by Acharya Sri Darshaney Lokeshji of C-276, Gama-1, Greater Noida ( UP ) PIN-201310. Phone:01206544628, +91 9412354036. > > > > > > > > The Tithi Patrak for the next year is getting ready and I would urge all members of the Brahmin community especially the purohits. to make use of it in all our samkalpas - vedic months names, thithi, vara, nakshatra etc. Please do not use the Rasi names as it is not vedic. (there is no mention of any rasi or planets other than the sun and moon , in any of our Vedas.) > > > > > > > > Let us forge a new erea in our chronology. > > > > > > > > A list of important festivals for the next year is attached for your benefit. > > > > Sl.No > > Gatey or date/ month/ day/English date > > Some of the Major Festivals of Samvat 2067 > > > > 1 > > 01 Madhu, Sat 20-02-2010 > > Sak samvat 1932 and Vasant ritu starts > > > > 2 > > 25 Madhu, Tue 16-03-2010 > > Gudi Padva, Vaasanti Navratra- Krodhi samvatsar starts > > > > 3 > > 29 Madhu, Sat 20-03-2010 > > Vasant Sampat,Vernal Equinox, Meshark at 23:03 Hrs > > > > 4 > > 30 Madhu, Sun 21-03-2010 > > Vaishakahi, Vasant Panchami > > > > 5 > > 03 Madhav, Wed 24-03-2010 > > Shri Ram Navmi > > > > 6 > > 27 Madhav, Sat 17-04-2010 > > Akshya Tritiya, Parsuram Jayanti > > > > 7 > > 30 Madhav, Tue 20-04-2010 > > Vrishabhark at 10:01 Hrs > > > > 8 > > 01 Shukra, Wed 21-04-2010 > > Grishm ritu begins > > > > 9 > > 31 Shukra, Fri 21-05-2010 > > Mithunaark at 09:06 hRS > > > > 10 > > 02 Shuchi, Sun 23-05-2010 > > Shri Ganga Dushehra > > > > 11 > > 31 Shuchi , Mon 21-06-2010 > > Karkaark at 17:00 Hrs, Dakshinayan Begins > > > > 12 > > 01 Nabhas, Tue 22-06-2010 > > Varsha Ritu Begins > > > > 13 > > 01 Nabhashya, Fri 23-07-2010 > > Singhaark at 03:53 Hrs > > > > 14 > > 03 Nabhashya, Sun 25-07-2010 > > Raksh Bandhan, Shravani Parva starts > > > > 15 > > 11 Nabhashya, Mon 02-08-2010 > > Shri Krishna Janmaashtmi > > > > 16 > > 22 Nabhashya, Fri 13-08-2010 > > Shri Ganesh Chaturthi > > > > 17 > > 01 Isha, Mon 23-08-2010 > > Sharad Ritu begins, Kanyaark at 10:59 Hrs > > > > 18 > > 02 Isha, Tue 24-08-2010 > > Poornima Shradha > > > > 19 > > 17 Isha, Wed 08-09-2010 > > Pitra visarjani Amawasya > > > > 20 > > 31 Isha, Wed 22-09-2010 > > Sharad Poornima > > > > 21 > > 01 Oorja, Thu 23-09-2010 > > Autumn Equinox,Sharad Sampat, Tulaark at 08:41 Hrs > > > > 22 > > 05 Oorja, Mon 27-09-2010 > > Karva Chauth > > > > 23 > > 09 Oorja, Fri 01-10-2010 > > Ahaoi Ashtami > > > > 24 > > 13 Oorja, Tue 05-10-2010 > > Dhan Teras > > > > 25 > > 15 Oorja, Thu 07-10-2010 > > Deepawali > > > > 26 > > 17 Oorja, Sat 09-10-2010 > > Bahiya Dooja, Yam Dwitiya > > > > 27 > > 21 Oorja, Wed 13-10-2010 > > Surya Shashthi, Chhatha > > > > 28 > > 01 Sahas, Sat 23-10-2010 > > Kaartik Snaan, Hemant Ritu Begins, Vrischikaark at 18:07 Hrs > > > > 29 > > 26 Sahas, Wed 17-11-2010 > > Geeta Jayanti > > > > 30 > > 01 Sahasya, Mon 22-11-2010 > > Dhanwaark at 15:46 Hrs > > > > 31 > > 30 Sahasya, Tue 21-12-2010 > > Maagh Snaan, Lohiri > > > > 32 > > 01 Tapah, Wed 22-12-2010 > > Shishir ritu, Uttrayan, Pongal, Makraark at 05:10 Hrs > > > > 33 > > 30 Tapah, Thu 20-01-2011 > > Kumbhaark at 15:50 Hrs > > > > 34 > > 12 Tapsya, Tue 01-02-2011 > > Mahashivraatri, Rishi Bodhotsav > > > > 35 > > 29 Tapsya, Fri 18-02-2011 > > Holi Dehan, Navanneshti > > > > 36 > > 30 Tapsya, Sat 19-02-2011 > > Holi (Rang), Meenark at 17:57 Hrs > > > > 37 > > 01 Madhu, Sun 20-02-2011 > > Sak samvat 1933 and Vasant ritu starts > > > > 38 > > 14 Madhu, Sat 05-03-2011 > > Gudi Padva, Vaasanti Navratra- Vishwavasu samvatsar starts > > > > > > > > Please spread this massage amongst all your friends. > > > > > > > > T.V.Sivaraman/ 044-24843342/ sivaramapattar1938@ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Dear friends,1)There is nothing to correct in the Nakshatras as these are heavenly bodies and we cannot derecognise them. The Rashi names also cannot be changed as some misguided people are asking for. The Rashis cannot be deleted from where they are being used now as the Rashis are mentioned in the Puranas just because some Pingrean fellows are thinking them to be imported from the Greeks. Some people are ridiculing the use of several Ayanamsha values. Then they can constructively suggest as to what, according to them, is the coirrect Ayanamsha. Otherwise they should keep their dirty destructive mouth shut. 2)There is no need to change the Makar Sankranti either as it is celebrated when there is Makar Sankramana of the Sun on 14th July. Some people suggested that Makar sankranti should be observed when the Sun crosses the "Makar Rekha" but they have failed to give any reference to makar rekha in the ancient shastras. "Makar Rekha" is the translation of the English words the "Tropic of Capricorn".3)However as somebody suggested the Uttarayana Punyakala can be celebrated on the shortest day (of the year) from which the Northern course of the Sun begins. But as I have already pointed out that according to the Brahmana of the Veda the shortest day of the year once fell on the Mahashivaratri day and this must also be considered by the learned members before demanding observation of the Uttarayana punyakala on the shrtest day of the year.4)I am sure there will be people like me who have no objection to adding the Tropical calendar to the Sidereal calendar. Open any calendar these days and you will find that they will tell you when to observe the Buddha purnima, the Nanak purnima, the Mahavira jayanti and the Hindu festivals according to sidereal calendar apart from giving the dates of the Muharram and Eid and the days of Parsi New Year as well as the days of the Easter and Christmas.There is absolutely no problem in accommodating the Tropical calendar in the Sidereal calendar but the destuctive people are not interested in that. How sad?Regards,sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Wed, 11/18/09, hari <harimalla wrote:hari <harimalla Fwd: New vedic panchanga! Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:05 AM parvasudhar2065, "hari" <harimalla@. ..> wrote: Dear TV Shivaramanji, There surely is the proper way to reform the vedic calendar as shown by our tradition rather than going the sayan way which is the Gregorian way. Instead of correcting three weeks as 'aareni' says by the sayan method, we may as well correct four weeks and up keep our coordinative tradtional vedic calendar which coordinates both the sayan and the nirayan concepts. Regards, Hari Malla HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@> wrote: > > > - > aareni > hinducivilization > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM > [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > > > Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural operations. > > RN Iyengar > > hinducivilization, SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@> wrote: > > > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > > > > > > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to select a proper muhurth for any purpose? > > > > > > > > Yes, for well over 1400 years we failed to correct our calendars (panchangas) , for what is known as the precession of the equinoxes. Our panchangakars take the length of the year to be 365.258756 days as given in the Surya siddhanta of about 500 A.D., while the correct length of the tropical year, which alone can be used according to the same siddhanta and modern astronomy, for calindrical use, is 365.242196 days. The difference of .01656 days is partly due to errors of observation and failure to recognize the precession of the equinoxes. This modicum of difference has now grossed up to about 23.2 days, with the result the Indian solar year instead of starting on the day following the vernal equinox ( vasantha vishu ) on March 22, starts now on April 13 or 14. > > > > > > > > The Brahmin community, as practitioners of the Vedic religion of sanathana dharma, has a duty to uphold Vedic values. If they follow dharma, every other section of the Hindu community will automatically follow the path of dharma. It is therefore the maiden duty of the Brahmins to help reform our time reckoning. > > > > > > > > Have you heard of Madhu, Mdhava, Sukra, Suchi, Nabhas, Nabhasya, Isa, Urja, Sahas, Sahasya, Tapas and Tapasya? Yes, these are the names of the months as prescribed in our Vedas (Yajur Veda Taittriya samhita 4.4.11) But instead we use the Greek origin translated terms such as Mesha, Rishaba etc. Should we not be saying at least our samkalpas with the names that are given in the Vedas? > > > > > > > > The Vedas have mentioned 28 nakshatras including Abhijit. Each group of stars has a different longitudinal span. Today we take 13 degree 20' span as an average per star and calculate 2.25 stars for 30 degrees or a "Rashi" (which is again a non-vedic adopted term). But when some stars are more than double the average span and some less than half the average, how can you be sure that you are born under the particular star on the present basis of calculation? > > > > > > > > Saka samvatsara year is 1931 for English year 2009. On March 16, 2010 Prabhavati year "Krodhi" begins (Saka1932/ Samvat 2067). But due to the difference in the initial fixation (Saka 1876 -1954-55 AD -- was named 41 Plavanga in northern India and 28 Jaya in the south) there is a difference of one year in the north and 13 years in the south. Actually the sixty- year cycle is based on the transit of Jupiter. Jupiter should transit the Aquarius (kumbha ) sign and simultaneously when the sun transits Mesha (Vishu sampat ), the Kumbha mela is held in Haridwar, a very auspicious event for the Hindus. This should have been on March 21, 2009. But alas it is going to be celebrated in March 2010 when Jupiter is actually in Pisces (Meena )! This is how all our rituals and festivals are now-a-days celebrated in Bharatha varsha. > > > > > > > > To end all these anomalies and errors and for re-establishing sanathana dharma on the correct path and unify the Hindu community of both the north and south, a new panchanga has taken shape in the form of > > > > > > > > "Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak". > > > > > > > > Here the months are Vedic, dates are called gatey( in the sense of the Sanskrit word Gatih), nakshatras are as per their actual span, timings are given in hours and minuts, (not nazhiga and vinazhiga), thithis are mentioned correctly as per their duration. Corresponding English dates are also provided. Festivals dates are mentioned correctly as per shastric formulations. "Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak" is published by Acharya Sri Darshaney Lokeshji of C-276, Gama-1, Greater Noida ( UP ) PIN-201310. Phone:01206544628, +91 9412354036. > > > > > > > > The Tithi Patrak for the next year is getting ready and I would urge all members of the Brahmin community especially the purohits. to make use of it in all our samkalpas - vedic months names, thithi, vara, nakshatra etc. Please do not use the Rasi names as it is not vedic. (there is no mention of any rasi or planets other than the sun and moon , in any of our Vedas.) > > > > > > > > Let us forge a new erea in our chronology. > > > > > > > > A list of important festivals for the next year is attached for your benefit. > > > > Sl.No > > Gatey or date/ month/ day/English date > > Some of the Major Festivals of Samvat 2067 > > > > 1 > > 01 Madhu, Sat 20-02-2010 > > Sak samvat 1932 and Vasant ritu starts > > > > 2 > > 25 Madhu, Tue 16-03-2010 > > Gudi Padva, Vaasanti Navratra- Krodhi samvatsar starts > > > > 3 > > 29 Madhu, Sat 20-03-2010 > > Vasant Sampat,Vernal Equinox, Meshark at 23:03 Hrs > > > > 4 > > 30 Madhu, Sun 21-03-2010 > > Vaishakahi, Vasant Panchami > > > > 5 > > 03 Madhav, Wed 24-03-2010 > > Shri Ram Navmi > > > > 6 > > 27 Madhav, Sat 17-04-2010 > > Akshya Tritiya, Parsuram Jayanti > > > > 7 > > 30 Madhav, Tue 20-04-2010 > > Vrishabhark at 10:01 Hrs > > > > 8 > > 01 Shukra, Wed 21-04-2010 > > Grishm ritu begins > > > > 9 > > 31 Shukra, Fri 21-05-2010 > > Mithunaark at 09:06 hRS > > > > 10 > > 02 Shuchi, Sun 23-05-2010 > > Shri Ganga Dushehra > > > > 11 > > 31 Shuchi , Mon 21-06-2010 > > Karkaark at 17:00 Hrs, Dakshinayan Begins > > > > 12 > > 01 Nabhas, Tue 22-06-2010 > > Varsha Ritu Begins > > > > 13 > > 01 Nabhashya, Fri 23-07-2010 > > Singhaark at 03:53 Hrs > > > > 14 > > 03 Nabhashya, Sun 25-07-2010 > > Raksh Bandhan, Shravani Parva starts > > > > 15 > > 11 Nabhashya, Mon 02-08-2010 > > Shri Krishna Janmaashtmi > > > > 16 > > 22 Nabhashya, Fri 13-08-2010 > > Shri Ganesh Chaturthi > > > > 17 > > 01 Isha, Mon 23-08-2010 > > Sharad Ritu begins, Kanyaark at 10:59 Hrs > > > > 18 > > 02 Isha, Tue 24-08-2010 > > Poornima Shradha > > > > 19 > > 17 Isha, Wed 08-09-2010 > > Pitra visarjani Amawasya > > > > 20 > > 31 Isha, Wed 22-09-2010 > > Sharad Poornima > > > > 21 > > 01 Oorja, Thu 23-09-2010 > > Autumn Equinox,Sharad Sampat, Tulaark at 08:41 Hrs > > > > 22 > > 05 Oorja, Mon 27-09-2010 > > Karva Chauth > > > > 23 > > 09 Oorja, Fri 01-10-2010 > > Ahaoi Ashtami > > > > 24 > > 13 Oorja, Tue 05-10-2010 > > Dhan Teras > > > > 25 > > 15 Oorja, Thu 07-10-2010 > > Deepawali > > > > 26 > > 17 Oorja, Sat 09-10-2010 > > Bahiya Dooja, Yam Dwitiya > > > > 27 > > 21 Oorja, Wed 13-10-2010 > > Surya Shashthi, Chhatha > > > > 28 > > 01 Sahas, Sat 23-10-2010 > > Kaartik Snaan, Hemant Ritu Begins, Vrischikaark at 18:07 Hrs > > > > 29 > > 26 Sahas, Wed 17-11-2010 > > Geeta Jayanti > > > > 30 > > 01 Sahasya, Mon 22-11-2010 > > Dhanwaark at 15:46 Hrs > > > > 31 > > 30 Sahasya, Tue 21-12-2010 > > Maagh Snaan, Lohiri > > > > 32 > > 01 Tapah, Wed 22-12-2010 > > Shishir ritu, Uttrayan, Pongal, Makraark at 05:10 Hrs > > > > 33 > > 30 Tapah, Thu 20-01-2011 > > Kumbhaark at 15:50 Hrs > > > > 34 > > 12 Tapsya, Tue 01-02-2011 > > Mahashivraatri, Rishi Bodhotsav > > > > 35 > > 29 Tapsya, Fri 18-02-2011 > > Holi Dehan, Navanneshti > > > > 36 > > 30 Tapsya, Sat 19-02-2011 > > Holi (Rang), Meenark at 17:57 Hrs > > > > 37 > > 01 Madhu, Sun 20-02-2011 > > Sak samvat 1933 and Vasant ritu starts > > > > 38 > > 14 Madhu, Sat 05-03-2011 > > Gudi Padva, Vaasanti Navratra- Vishwavasu samvatsar starts > > > > > > > > Please spread this massage amongst all your friends. > > > > > > > > T.V.Sivaraman/ 044-24843342/ sivaramapattar1938@ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Dear Bhatacharyaji, Let those who want to continue the old sidearal calendar for the purpose of fortune telling continue their own old ways. They too should get the freedom. But let those who want to reform the religious festivals of calendar the vedic way, do so in the vedic coordinative way. This should not be the headache of the astrologers, who want to continue the old way,with their fortune telling. Let us stick to our own fields of astronomy and astrology- predictive and religious. If you are interested in the reformation of the vedic festivals, then only please refer to the opinions of the stalwarts of the nieteeth century, namely Shankar BK Dixit and Balagangadhar Tilak.thankyou, Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Shri Harimalla, You are incorrigible like Kaul. The fact that the Vedic literature has mentioned the equinoxes and solstices in different Nakshatras at different times shows that this was used more for chronological purpose. I am surprised that uptill now you have not understood this or are you pretending not to understnad this? So stop the bogey that the sidereal calendar is required only for fortune telling. If rishis like Vedavyasa and his father Parashara believed in astrology there is no point in your ridiculing astrology. Uptill now people like Aareni did not understand Vedavyasa's data that the Saturn was in Visakha and was torturing Rohini but an astrologer understands this as this an astrological statement. You haters of astrology are indirectly calling Vedavyasa and Parashara as superstitious. By the way do you believe in God as God's existence cannot be proved and one can call the belief in God also as superstition? Be clear once for all that the Sidereal calendar was first used in the Hindu civilization for chronological purpose. The fortune telling came later in importance. There are no strict compartment that an astrologer cannot be an excellent astronomer or an excellent scientist. One can have both esoteric knowledge and exoteric knowledge. There is no restriction that a scientist should not believe in God, whose exostence cannot be proved scientifically. You, a matlabi person have your own ulterior design. In Nepal your people already decided to make some changes in the months and you want it be regularised in India. Did you ever come to any of the Jyotish forums before taking a decision in Nepal? Now cook your own goose and justify to yourself but there is no need to campaign for change of the name of the months and Nakshatras in India as the Indian Hindus know their shastra well. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Wed, 11/18/09, hari <harimalla wrote: hari <harimalla Re: Fwd: New vedic panchanga! Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 6:12 PM Â Dear Bhatacharyaji, Let those who want to continue the old sidearal calendar for the purpose of fortune telling continue their own old ways. They too should get the freedom. But let those who want to reform the religious festivals of calendar the vedic way, do so in the vedic coordinative way. This should not be the headache of the astrologers, who want to continue the old way,with their fortune telling. Let us stick to our own fields of astronomy and astrology- predictive and religious. If you are interested in the reformation of the vedic festivals, then only please refer to the opinions of the stalwarts of the nieteeth century, namely Shankar BK Dixit and Balagangadhar Tilak.thankyou, Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Shri Harimalla, You are incorrigible like Kaul. The fact that the Vedic literature has mentioned the equinoxes and solstices in different Nakshatras at different times shows that this was used more for chronological purpose. I am surprised that uptill now you have not understood this or are you pretending not to understnad this? So stop the bogey that the sidereal calendar is required only for fortune telling. If rishis like Vedavyasa and his father Parashara believed in astrology there is no point in your ridiculing astrology. Uptill now people like Aareni did not understand Vedavyasa's data that the Saturn was in Visakha and was torturing Rohini but an astrologer understands this as this an astrological statement. You haters of astrology are indirectly calling Vedavyasa and Parashara as superstitious. By the way do you believe in God as God's existence cannot be proved and one can call the belief in God also as superstition? Be clear once for all that the Sidereal calendar was first used in the Hindu civilization for chronological purpose. The fortune telling came later in importance. There are no strict compartment that an astrologer cannot be an excellent astronomer or an excellent scientist. One can have both esoteric knowledge and exoteric knowledge. There is no restriction that a scientist should not believe in God, whose exostence cannot be proved scientifically. You, a matlabi person have your own ulterior design. In Nepal your people already decided to make some changes in the months and you want it be regularised in India. Did you ever come to any of the Jyotish forums before taking a decision in Nepal? Now cook your own goose and justify to yourself but there is no need to campaign for change of the name of the months and Nakshatras in India as the Indian Hindus know their shastra well. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Wed, 11/18/09, hari <harimalla wrote: hari <harimalla Re: Fwd: New vedic panchanga! Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 6:12 PM Â Dear Bhatacharyaji, Let those who want to continue the old sidearal calendar for the purpose of fortune telling continue their own old ways. They too should get the freedom. But let those who want to reform the religious festivals of calendar the vedic way, do so in the vedic coordinative way. This should not be the headache of the astrologers, who want to continue the old way,with their fortune telling. Let us stick to our own fields of astronomy and astrology- predictive and religious. If you are interested in the reformation of the vedic festivals, then only please refer to the opinions of the stalwarts of the nieteeth century, namely Shankar BK Dixit and Balagangadhar Tilak.thankyou, Hari Malla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Dear shri Bhattacharyaji, I am no hater of astrology. Nor am I its fan.It is a subject I do not want to comment upon. But the vedic calendar should be vedic as of yore or in similar lines. This is all I can say. My understanding of vedanga jyotish which says 'when the sun and the moon are in dhanistha...uttaryan starts' is sufficient cause to coordiante the the sayana and nirayan concepts.Sun in dhanistha is is nirayan postion of the sun whereas uttaryan is the sayan postion. I have noted from the description of Shri SB Dixit, that the two stalwarts I have mentioned were both people who had good understanding of the situation. They represented the two camps whose supporters are still there as it was then. You are in my view the suppproter of Balagangadhar Tilak, who has advocated 30 degree shift, but notshifting the names. But shri Kaulji is the supporter of SB Dixit who want the shift of the name to be every year in the sayan way.These two camps have been debating over 150 years, and continues even today as you two are doing . How long do you want to keep on arguing with each other, at the cost of the innocent Hindus? This is all I ask. I take no sides. Both of your are correct partially.Like the six blind men who went to know the elephant, you both have come to know partial truths. But the whole truth is in the coordination of the ideas of both of you. This is all say. You should both compromise, to come to the above mentioned vedic standard. This is all I know. Both of you may not like it. But Veda is Veda and we have to follow its dictum of coordination. Do not try to twist its essence in your own biased manner. Satisfy yourself with the total vedic truth, even if you do not fully win, but compromising is surely partial victory. Thank you. Hari Malla , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Shri Harimalla, > > You are incorrigible like Kaul. The fact that the Vedic literature has mentioned the equinoxes and solstices in different Nakshatras at different times shows that this was used more for chronological purpose. I am surprised that uptill now you have not understood this or are you pretending not to understnad this? So stop the bogey that the sidereal calendar is required only for fortune telling. If rishis like Vedavyasa and his father Parashara believed in astrology there is no point in your ridiculing astrology. Uptill now people like Aareni did not understand Vedavyasa's data that the Saturn was in Visakha and was torturing Rohini but an astrologer understands this as this an astrological statement. You haters of astrology are indirectly calling Vedavyasa and Parashara as superstitious. By the way do you believe in God as God's existence cannot be proved and one can call the belief in God also as superstition? > > Be clear once for all that the Sidereal calendar was first used in the Hindu civilization for chronological purpose. The fortune telling came later in importance. > > There are no strict compartment that an astrologer cannot be an excellent astronomer or an excellent scientist. One can have both esoteric knowledge and exoteric knowledge. There is no restriction that a scientist should not believe in God, whose exostence cannot be proved scientifically. > > You, a matlabi person have your own ulterior design. In Nepal your people already decided to make some changes in the months and you want it be regularised in India. Did you ever come to any of the Jyotish forums before taking a decision in Nepal? Now cook your own goose and justify to yourself but there is no need to campaign for change of the name of the months and Nakshatras in India as the Indian Hindus know their shastra well. > > Sincerely, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, hari <harimalla wrote: > > hari <harimalla > Re: Fwd: New vedic panchanga! > > Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 6:12 PM > Â > > > Dear Bhatacharyaji, > > Let those who want to continue the old sidearal calendar for the purpose of fortune telling continue their own old ways. They too should get the freedom. > > But let those who want to reform the religious festivals of calendar the vedic way, do so in the vedic coordinative way. This should not be the headache of the astrologers, who want to continue the old way,with their fortune telling. Let us stick to our own fields of astronomy and astrology- predictive and religious. > > If you are interested in the reformation of the vedic festivals, then only please refer to the opinions of the stalwarts of the nieteeth century, namely Shankar BK Dixit and Balagangadhar Tilak.thankyou, > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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