Less of Domestic happiness, Detachment ,and Spiritualism

November 16, 2009

Dear friends,

Keeping Shri Balasubramaiunm ji's thoughts in mind I am now begiining a new thread as above.

Some of us are not spiritual at all. Some of us somewhat spiritual and others very much spiritual. Why do you think and when do you thing Spirtualism or a pull towards this dawns over a person ? I personally feel that in most of the cases of those having taken to spirituality in a big way amongst the grihastas, there has been a loss and less of happiness factor in their Lives. Take Swami Prabhupada of ISCKON, take Shri Tulsidasji, and many many more like them. what about us ? Many of us may not be having a sweet wife to speak to in the day or evening or night. Lots of cribbing may have been faced in the married Life. More expectations of income but less to produce, a fancy life given to luxury not given, enough of gifts and freedom not given to ones wife may produce a horrific married Life, and one cant blame with a constant nagging and fights at home, if one takes to spiritualism in his spare time as pastime. So what are your views ? Dont you think that people who are fed up of their wives, marruied lives, bickerings at home, more of responsibilities thrusted at them, take to spiritualism as a easy way out (Of course still working as a Grihastha or maybe not working).

On the other side, we had prince Yashodhana (Buddha) who had all luxuries of Life, more than one wife as a lady to enjoy with, and what about yayati who also had all pleasures at his command, yet choose to finally give way to these pleasures, luxuries and comforts and take to a Life of ascetism and deliverance.

So what do you think, produces all this in respect of planetary configurations manifested in ones chart. the 7th house strong and afflicted ? The 6th house afflicted ? the 4th house afflicted ? The moon afflicted ? the 12th house stronger ? Or what ?

We will stick not to discussing much about individuals named above who are very much respected but instead move onto the pointers in astrology which we are interested in discussing.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

November 16, 2009

Dear Ones,here is something about spirituality for those who are interested which i liked and of course copied from another group...//Namaste friends,Pt Rath wrote:> So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has> ... It is another place for seeing God, spiritualitySeeing "spirituality" from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by PtRath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previousteachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows adeity ("paalana devata") that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance.* * *Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it:> Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in> dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual> path. This would be a more apt way of sayng thingsElvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter,irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good manand a great entertainer, but he hardly did "some good work in the spiritualpath".Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective ofwhether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but hehardly did "some good work in the spiritual path". He was an actor and asuccessful political leader.Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun,irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous andintelligent showman, but hardly did "some good work in the spiritual path".Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespectiveof whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart andcontroversial businessman, but he hardly did "some good work in the spiritualpath".On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and"did some good work", such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and ParamahamsaYogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10.The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense.Fundamentally, why see "spirituality" from the 6th house from Amk?* * *Pt Rath wrote:> So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has> *nothingto do with power and position*I never said the 6th from AmK shows "power and position". This is amisinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking threeparameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the originalquoted mail:"We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort(6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one(AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL)."Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house(overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcomeobstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking forsynergy between these parameters by way of common influences:(1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in onein one's profession(2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one(3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at thephysical levelI found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on theseparameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows "power".* * *Reema wrote:> 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the> 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK?Good question!I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs"sustenance" and "livelihood", as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking afresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows "spirituality"suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others bebogged down by his previous teachings?Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6thhouse from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberationfrom the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the ideathat 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation andassociated different deities with different planetary influences.But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us tounderstand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like theking if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that "amaatya" meansminister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by manyscholars in the past.I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies,contemplation and research.* * *AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of "this is I"). If a nativity iscompared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasaradid. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness.The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and beingliberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, mokshaetc.If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to akingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of thatkingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or thesense of "this is the work I must accomplish" must be be analogous to theminister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counselsone's I-ness to get various things done.Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that"this is the work I must accomplish".As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wondermany scholars associated AmK with profession in the past.* * *When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life,the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feedsone's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important asit shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose.The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and materialsustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose inlife - what one views as "this is what I need to do".The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challengesand fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12thfrom AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god.* * *I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples inJyotishWritings/message/16and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of thecounter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced inthe sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to whatReema took.Best regards,Narasimha//I would just like to add something if i may that SPIRITUALITY IS NOT THAT SOMETHING TO BE TALKED ABOUT BUT PRACTICED which is to be seen from one's own 5/9 houses/lords.....along with 2nd/10H/L.Love and regards,gopi , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Less of Domestic happiness, Detachment ,and Spiritualism> > Dear friends,> > Keeping Shri Balasubramaiunm ji's thoughts in mind I am now begiining a> new thread as above.> > Some of us are not spiritual at all. Some of us somewhat spiritual and> others very much spiritual. Why do you think and when do you thing> Spirtualism or a pull towards this dawns over a person ? I personally> feel that in most of the cases of those having taken to spirituality in> a big way amongst the grihastas, there has been a loss and less of> happiness factor in their Lives. Take Swami Prabhupada of ISCKON, take> Shri Tulsidasji, and many many more like them. what about us ? Many of> us may not be having a sweet wife to speak to in the day or evening or> night. Lots of cribbing may have been faced in the married Life. More> expectations of income but less to produce, a fancy life given to luxury> not given, enough of gifts and freedom not given to ones wife may> produce a horrific married Life, and one cant blame with a constant> nagging and fights at home, if one takes to spiritualism in his spare> time as pastime. So what are your views ? Dont you think that people> who are fed up of their wives, marruied lives, bickerings at home, more> of responsibilities thrusted at them, take to spiritualism as a easy way> out (Of course still working as a Grihastha or maybe not working).> > On the other side, we had prince Yashodhana (Buddha) who had all> luxuries of Life, more than one wife as a lady to enjoy with, and what> about yayati who also had all pleasures at his command, yet choose to> finally give way to these pleasures, luxuries and comforts and take to a> Life of ascetism and deliverance.> > So what do you think, produces all this in respect of planetary> configurations manifested in ones chart. the 7th house strong and> afflicted ? The 6th house afflicted ? the 4th house afflicted ? The moon> afflicted ? the 12th house stronger ? Or what ?> > We will stick not to discussing much about individuals named above who> are very much respected but instead move onto the pointers in astrology> which we are interested in discussing.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.>