Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Dear Goel ji, //> Though Ayurdasa's are mainly being projected to > know the (max.) longevity of a native. Do you think > that these methods are reliable.// It is not about thinking, but about applying this tool in x number of known horoscopes and coming to a conclusion, based on statistical evidence. //> I feel a native may cross the calculated span of life , > and in that case , 2nd cycle may commence . > I have observed that native survives in the 2nd cycle > based on the achievements in 1st cycle , ie he lives > a retired life.// Again it is not about feeling, let us take some charts and based on the results we get only, derive some conclusions. Not just one or two charts, but at least 10 or 20 or more. //> My birth particulars are April 23,1937 ,at 16.31 hrs Bareilly(UP) > My dasa pd 59yrs2M28D,I retired in 1997,and still alive/ > It is another matter that I may have commited some mistake in computation.// I think you have derived the conclusion regarding '2nd cycle' etc based on your chart only. Let me check it (enter your data to the excel worksheet prepared), and I will tell the actual max longevity provided by this method to your chart. In any case I would like to remind you that, birth time accuracy is a major factor that may affect the accuracy of this method. Love and regards, Sreenadh , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > > Dear Goyal ji, > I hope you may have received my prev. mail > on Karkatwas. > Though Ayurdasa's are mainly being projected to > know the (max.) longevity of a native. Do you think > that these methods are reliable. > Chapter 8 of Brihat Jataka exclusively devoted for the > purposes of phalit of these dasas and antar dasas. > > I feel a native may cross the calculated span of life , > and in that case , 2nd cycle may commence . > I have observed that native survives in the 2nd cycle > based on the achievements in 1st cycle , ie he lives > a retired life. > My birth particulars are April 23,1937 ,at 16.31 hrs Bareilly(UP) > My dasa pd 59yrs2M28D,I retired in 1997,and still alive/ > It is another matter that I may have commited some mistake in computation. > > I am attaching a article in which I develoved a method to calculate > Dasa and antardasa so that phalit may be accessed according BJ. > Regards, > > > > G. K. Goel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Dear Goel ji, //> Chapter 8 of Brihat Jataka exclusively devoted for the > purposes of phalit of these dasas and antar dasas.// As per my knowledge and understanding till date, Ayurdasas are NOT used for result derivation (phalit) other than to calculate longevity itself. For result derivations purpose (other than longevity) what mihira proposed is - * Mainly Kedradi dasa (in which strengths of planets and their position are given max importance) * Kalachakra dasa (Mihira only hinds on this) * Vimsottari dasa (Mihira only hinds on this) etc. The major dasa tool he proposed was Kendradi dasa and nothing else. I don't remember coming across quotes that indicate that Ayurdasas should be used for normal prediction. Anyway I will re-check it and revert. Love and regards, Sreenadh , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > > Dear Goyal ji, > I hope you may have received my prev. mail > on Karkatwas. > Though Ayurdasa's are mainly being projected to > know the (max.) longevity of a native. Do you think > that these methods are reliable. > Chapter 8 of Brihat Jataka exclusively devoted for the > purposes of phalit of these dasas and antar dasas. > > I feel a native may cross the calculated span of life , > and in that case , 2nd cycle may commence . > I have observed that native survives in the 2nd cycle > based on the achievements in 1st cycle , ie he lives > a retired life. > My birth particulars are April 23,1937 ,at 16.31 hrs Bareilly(UP) > My dasa pd 59yrs2M28D,I retired in 1997,and still alive/ > It is another matter that I may have commited some mistake in computation. > > I am attaching a article in which I develoved a method to calculate > Dasa and antardasa so that phalit may be accessed according BJ. > Regards, > > > > G. K. Goel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji,The method of calculating major dasa periods iselaborated in Ch 7 of BJ.The order of calculating dasa periods , their sub-periods and affects are explained in detail in ch 8 of BJ.No doubt , the methods given in ch 8 can be appliedon Kedradi dasa's also .The phalit of all nakshatra dasa are delineated on following main basis:1. On account of functional nature of planets(that depends on the lordship of houses-mainly applicable to Vimsottari dasa)2, Strength of the planet 3. On account of placement of planetThe chapter 8 is helpful in phalit of other dasas as per last two counts upto some extent..These dasas indicate longevity of the native . this should be understood in proper prospective.These dasas indicate the contribution of each planet for its firstcycle of dasa span , like in vimsottari , yogni dasa's etc.No doubt they are more tuned to the longevity of the native.BPHS indicates Nisargayu of 120 years. After calculating of Dasa periods either by Pindayy or ANSHAYU , THE MOMENT OF DEATHIS TO BE CALCULATED ON THE BASIS OF GIVEN IN CHAPTER ON MARKA.The death may or may not come at the end of 1st cycle , but there will always be serious health problems before commencing of next cycle.My views may look against the tradition , but this is the fact that these dasa's provide the help to access longevity , otherwise even sages may have notprovided so many options. you have suggested to include nodes , it lead toprovide additional longevity.(if Jeev sharma method is suitably applies ,the inclusion of noded will not make any difference as dasa period of each planet will be reduced to 13yrs 4m.)Marka rules can only pin point death.Regards,G. K. Goel From: sreesogDate: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:42:16 +0000 Re: Ansayurdasa Dear Goel ji, //> Chapter 8 of Brihat Jataka exclusively devoted for the > purposes of phalit of these dasas and antar dasas.// As per my knowledge and understanding till date, Ayurdasas are NOT used for result derivation (phalit) other than to calculate longevity itself. For result derivations purpose (other than longevity) what mihira proposed is - * Mainly Kedradi dasa (in which strengths of planets and their position are given max importance) * Kalachakra dasa (Mihira only hinds on this) * Vimsottari dasa (Mihira only hinds on this) etc. The major dasa tool he proposed was Kendradi dasa and nothing else. I don't remember coming across quotes that indicate that Ayurdasas should be used for normal prediction. Anyway I will re-check it and revert. Love and regards, Sreenadh , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > > Dear Goyal ji, > I hope you may have received my prev. mail > on Karkatwas. > Though Ayurdasa's are mainly being projected to > know the (max.) longevity of a native. Do you think > that these methods are reliable. > Chapter 8 of Brihat Jataka exclusively devoted for the > purposes of phalit of these dasas and antar dasas. > > I feel a native may cross the calculated span of life , > and in that case , 2nd cycle may commence . > I have observed that native survives in the 2nd cycle > based on the achievements in 1st cycle , ie he lives > a retired life. > My birth particulars are April 23,1937 ,at 16.31 hrs Bareilly(UP) > My dasa pd 59yrs2M28D,I retired in 1997,and still alive/ > It is another matter that I may have commited some mistake in computation. > > I am attaching a article in which I develoved a method to calculate > Dasa and antardasa so that phalit may be accessed according BJ. > Regards, > > > > G. K. Goel http://windows.microsoft.com/shop Find the right PC for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Dear Goel ji, Thanks for the informative mail. But - //THE MOMENT OF DEATH IS TO BE CALCULATED ON THE BASIS OF GIVEN IN CHAPTER ON MARKA.// Huh! Do you think that the moment of death could be calculated and Jyotish is that deterministic?! I wonder whether it could be so. //> The death may or may not come at the end of 1st cycle , but there will always be serious health problems before commencing of next cycle.// If death does not come then how can we say that what we are calculating is 'moment of death'? The derivation about 'serious health problems' etc (as mentioned earlier) seems to be a hurry conclusion you arrived at based on your chart alone. Let us hold it for sometime till we discuss/verify enough number of charts based on the same. //you have suggested to include nodes , it lead to provide additional longevity.// True; Plus make the calculations realistic and in tune with reality experienced - as evident from the cases we discussed and those that will follow. //(if Jeev sharma method is suitably applies ,the inclusion of noded will not make any difference as dasa period of each planet will be reduced to 13yrs 4m.)// Of course, I have some extra (and possibly useful) inputs on this (i.e. Jeevasarmeeya dasa) and Pinda dasa. Please wait till we touch that subject. By the way, what will you prefer for max longevity? 1) 13.33 x 7 = 93.31 OR 2) 13.33 x 9 = 120 I hope the answer would be evident to all, from this simple bit of info itself. Anyway let us wait till we take up this subject for detailed discussion. Love and regards, Sreenadh , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > The method of calculating major dasa periods is > elaborated in Ch 7 of BJ.The order of calculating > dasa periods , their sub-periods and affects are > explained in detail in ch 8 of BJ. > No doubt , the methods given in ch 8 can be applied > on Kedradi dasa's also . > The phalit of all nakshatra dasa are delineated > on following main basis: > 1. On account of functional nature of planets(that > depends on the lordship of houses-mainly applicable > to Vimsottari dasa) > 2, Strength of the planet > 3. On account of placement of planet > > The chapter 8 is helpful in phalit of other dasas as per > last two counts upto some extent.. > These dasas indicate longevity of the native . this should be understood in > proper prospective. > These dasas indicate the contribution of each planet for its first > cycle of dasa span , like in vimsottari , yogni dasa's etc.No doubt > they are more tuned to the longevity of the native. > > BPHS indicates Nisargayu of 120 years. After calculating of > Dasa periods either by Pindayy or ANSHAYU , THE MOMENT OF DEATH > IS TO BE CALCULATED ON THE BASIS OF GIVEN IN CHAPTER ON MARKA. > The death may or may not come at the end of 1st cycle , but there will > always be serious health problems before commencing of next cycle. > > My views may look against the tradition , but this is the fact that these > dasa's provide the help to access longevity , otherwise even sages may have not > provided so many options. you have suggested to include nodes , it lead to > provide additional longevity.(if Jeev sharma method is suitably applies , > the inclusion of noded will not make any difference as dasa period of each planet > will be reduced to 13yrs 4m.) > Marka rules can only pin point death. > > Regards, > > G. K. Goel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Sh.Sreenad ji, I visited AIA and Sreenad OS section which contain 4 page but was not able to find the excell sheet for longevity/ Will you please give some details to locate the same. Love and regards --- On Fri, 11/13/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote: > sreesog <sreesog > Re: Ansayurdasa > > Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:46 PM > Dear Goel ji, > //> Though Ayurdasa's are mainly being projected to > > know the (max.) longevity of a native. Do you think > > that these methods are reliable.// > It is not about thinking, but about applying this > tool in x number of known horoscopes and coming to a > conclusion, based on statistical evidence. > //> I feel a native may cross the calculated span of > life , > > and in that case , 2nd cycle may commence . > > I have observed that native survives in the 2nd cycle > > based on the achievements in 1st cycle , ie he > lives > > a retired life.// > Again it is not about feeling, let us take some > charts and based on the results we get only, derive some > conclusions. Not just one or two charts, but at least 10 or > 20 or more. > //> My birth particulars are April 23,1937 ,at 16.31 hrs > Bareilly(UP) > > My dasa pd 59yrs2M28D,I retired in 1997,and still > alive/ > > It is another matter that I may have commited some > mistake in computation.// > I think you have derived the conclusion regarding > '2nd cycle' etc based on your chart only. Let me check it > (enter your data to the excel worksheet prepared), and I > will tell the actual max longevity provided by this method > to your chart. In any case I would like to remind you that, > birth time accuracy is a major factor that may affect the > accuracy of this method. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , > gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Goyal ji, > > I hope you may have received my prev. mail > > on Karkatwas. > > Though Ayurdasa's are mainly being projected to > > know the (max.) longevity of a native. Do you think > > that these methods are reliable. > > Chapter 8 of Brihat Jataka exclusively devoted for the > > > purposes of phalit of these dasas and antar dasas. > > > > I feel a native may cross the calculated span of life > , > > and in that case , 2nd cycle may commence . > > I have observed that native survives in the 2nd cycle > > based on the achievements in 1st cycle , ie he > lives > > a retired life. > > My birth particulars are April 23,1937 ,at 16.31 hrs > Bareilly(UP) > > My dasa pd 59yrs2M28D,I retired in 1997,and still > alive/ > > It is another matter that I may have commited some > mistake in computation. > > > > I am attaching a article in which I develoved a method > to calculate > > Dasa and antardasa so that phalit may be accessed > according BJ. > > Regards, > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji,Your reply is thought provoking ,and gives more opportunity to learn the secrets of these methods.Thanks and regards,G. K. Goel From: sreesogDate: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:59:03 +0000 Re: Ansayurdasa Dear Goel ji, Thanks for the informative mail. But - //THE MOMENT OF DEATH IS TO BE CALCULATED ON THE BASIS OF GIVEN IN CHAPTER ON MARKA.// Huh! Do you think that the moment of death could be calculated and Jyotish is that deterministic?! I wonder whether it could be so. //> The death may or may not come at the end of 1st cycle , but there will always be serious health problems before commencing of next cycle.// If death does not come then how can we say that what we are calculating is 'moment of death'? The derivation about 'serious health problems' etc (as mentioned earlier) seems to be a hurry conclusion you arrived at based on your chart alone. Let us hold it for sometime till we discuss/verify enough number of charts based on the same. //you have suggested to include nodes , it lead to provide additional longevity.// True; Plus make the calculations realistic and in tune with reality experienced - as evident from the cases we discussed and those that will follow. //(if Jeev sharma method is suitably applies ,the inclusion of noded will not make any difference as dasa period of each planet will be reduced to 13yrs 4m.)// Of course, I have some extra (and possibly useful) inputs on this (i.e. Jeevasarmeeya dasa) and Pinda dasa. Please wait till we touch that subject. By the way, what will you prefer for max longevity? 1) 13.33 x 7 = 93.31 OR 2) 13.33 x 9 = 120 I hope the answer would be evident to all, from this simple bit of info itself. Anyway let us wait till we take up this subject for detailed discussion. Love and regards, Sreenadh , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > The method of calculating major dasa periods is > elaborated in Ch 7 of BJ.The order of calculating > dasa periods , their sub-periods and affects are > explained in detail in ch 8 of BJ. > No doubt , the methods given in ch 8 can be applied > on Kedradi dasa's also . > The phalit of all nakshatra dasa are delineated > on following main basis: > 1. On account of functional nature of planets(that > depends on the lordship of houses-mainly applicable > to Vimsottari dasa) > 2, Strength of the planet > 3. On account of placement of planet > > The chapter 8 is helpful in phalit of other dasas as per > last two counts upto some extent.. > These dasas indicate longevity of the native . this should be understood in > proper prospective. > These dasas indicate the contribution of each planet for its first > cycle of dasa span , like in vimsottari , yogni dasa's etc.No doubt > they are more tuned to the longevity of the native. > > BPHS indicates Nisargayu of 120 years. After calculating of > Dasa periods either by Pindayy or ANSHAYU , THE MOMENT OF DEATH > IS TO BE CALCULATED ON THE BASIS OF GIVEN IN CHAPTER ON MARKA. > The death may or may not come at the end of 1st cycle , but there will > always be serious health problems before commencing of next cycle. > > My views may look against the tradition , but this is the fact that these > dasa's provide the help to access longevity , otherwise even sages may have not > provided so many options. you have suggested to include nodes , it lead to > provide additional longevity.(if Jeev sharma method is suitably applies , > the inclusion of noded will not make any difference as dasa period of each planet > will be reduced to 13yrs 4m.) > Marka rules can only pin point death. > > Regards, > > G. K. Goel New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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