Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, The data you provided pissed me off! I have gone through the first chart of the mail only. Is that really a chart of a man who is already dead, or is he still alive? The reason for my asking this is that as per the planetary positions show 83 years of maximum longevity! If he died, it must be very recently! OK - here goes the calculation.============================== Case 1: Provided by Vijay Goel Male December 30, 1933 Time: 0:49:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 75 E 47' 00", 26 N 10' 00" Tonk, India Lagna is virgo at 19 degree. Ayanamsa Used: Surya Siddhanta (Chandra Hari) Ayanamsa Try 1: First, Let me try by doing Harana first and Bharana second Planetary Position Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 18 Vi 17' 21.67" Ge Sun 13 Sg 59' 27.34" Le Moon 21 Ta 35' 05.85" Cn Mars 7 Cp 37' 59.58" Pi Mercury 1 Sg 47' 29.67" Ar Jupiter 27 Vi 11' 19.42" Vi Venus 24 Cp 57' 53.79" Le Saturn 20 Cp 29' 28.34" Cn Rahu 28 Cp 01' 23.39" Vi Ketu 28 Cn 01' 23.39" Pi 1) Standard Calculation While finding Lagnayu I have considered the average of Lagnayu and Lagnamsakayu Sl Gaha Sputa (Sign-Degree-Min) Standard longevity 1 Asc 05-18-17 (2.485+5.6094)/2 = 4.04 2 Su 08-13-59 04.195 3 Mo 01-21-35 03.475 4 Ma 09-07-37 11.285 5 Me 08-01-47 0.535 6 Ju 05-27-11 5.155 7 Ve 09-27-57 5.385 8 Sa 09-20-29 3.145 9 Ra 09-28-01 5.405 10 Ke 03-28-01 11.405 Total 54.025 2) Harana (Deduction) Deduction for enemy house is done for Jupiter and Ketu – i.e. 1/3 of longevity provided by them should be deducted.Since Mercury is exempted from Moudhya harana, deduction for combustion is not done for any planet.Ketu a malefic is in 11th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity is deductedMoon a benefic is in 9th from Lagna, so 1/8th of its longevity gets deducted.Except for Ketu, and Moon no planet is in drisyartha and so deduction for being in visible half is not required for any other planetSince there is no major malefic in lagna, Amsayu harana is not required for any planet Sl Gaha Standard Longevity After SatruKshetra harana After Moudhya harana After Drisyartha harana After Amsayu harana 1 Asc 04.04 04.04 04.04 04.04 04.04 2 Su 04.195 04.195 04.195 04.195 04.195 3 Mo 03.475 03.475 03.475 03.040625 03.040625 4 Ma 11.285 11.285 11.285 11.285 11.285 5 Me 00.535 00.535 00.535 00.535 00.535 6 Ju 05.155 03.437 03.437 03.437 03.437 7 Ve 05.385 05.385 05.385 05.385 05.385 8 Sa 03.145 03.145 03.145 03.145 03.145 9 Ra 05.405 05.405 05.405 05.405 05.405 10 Ke 11.405 07.60 07.60 03.80 03.80 54.025 48.502 48.502 44.2676 44.2676 3) Bharana (Addition) Since Moon is exalted and is in swamsa, avoiding multiple multiplication, its longevity should be multiplied by three only.Since Mars is exalted, its longevity should be multiplied by threeSince Saturn is in own house, its longevity should be multiplied by twoJupiter is in Vargottama, so its longevity should be multiplied by twoSun is in swamsa, so its longevity should be multiplied by twoIn Prarasa Drekkana, no planet is in swamsa – so no multiplication related to the same is required. Sl Gaha After harana (deduction) After bharana (addition) 1 Asc 04.04 04.04 2 Su 04.195 08.39 3 Mo 03.040625 09.122 4 Ma 11.285 33.855 5 Me 00.535 00.535 6 Ju 03.437 06.874 7 Ve 05.385 05.385 8 Sa 03.145 06.29 9 Ra 05.405 05.405 10 Ke 03.80 03.80 44.2676 83.696 Thus, as per the above calculation (of doing Harana first and Bharana second), the maximum expected longevity of the native is 83.696 – i.e. 83 years 8 months and 11 days. If he died, then it must be very recently. Try 2: First, Let me try by doing Harana first and Bharana second 1) Standard calculation Since the step 1 standard longevity calculation is already done, I will not repeat it here, but will only use those numbers. 2) Bharana (Addition) Since Moon is exalted and is in swamsa, avoiding multiple multiplication, its longevity should be multiplied by three only.Since Mars is exalted, its longevity should be multiplied by threeSince Saturn is in own house, its longevity should be multiplied by twoJupiter is in Vargottama, so its longevity should be multiplied by twoSun is in swamsa, so its longevity should be multiplied by twoIn Prarasa Drekkana, no planet is in swamsa – so no multiplication related to the same is required. Sl Gaha Standard Longevity After bharana (addition) 1 Asc 04.04 04.04 2 Su 04.195 08.39 3 Mo 03.475 10.425 4 Ma 11.285 33.855 5 Me 0.535 00.535 6 Ju 5.155 10.31 7 Ve 5.385 5.385 8 Sa 3.145 06.29 9 Ra 5.405 05.405 10 Ke 11.405 11.405 54.025 96.04 3) Harana (Deduction) Deduction for enemy house is done for Jupiter and KetuSince Mercury is exempted from Moudhya harana, deduction for combustion is not done for any planetKetu a malefic is in 11th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity is deductedMoon a benefic is in 9th from Lagna, so 1/8th of its longevity gets deducted.Except for Ketu, and Moon no planet is in drisyartha and so deduction for being in visible half is not required for any other planetSince there is no major malefic in lagna, Amsayu harana is not required for any planet Sl Gaha After Bharana (Addition) After SatruKshetra harana After Moudhya harana After Drisyartha harana After Amsayu harana 1 Asc 04.04 04.04 04.04 04.04 04.04 2 Su 08.39 08.39 08.39 08.39 08.39 3 Mo 10.425 10.425 10.425 09.122 09.122 4 Ma 33.855 33.855 33.855 33.855 33.855 5 Me 00.535 00.535 00.535 00.535 00.535 6 Ju 10.31 06.87 06.87 06.87 06.87 7 Ve 5.385 5.385 5.385 05.385 05.385 8 Sa 06.29 06.29 06.29 06.29 06.29 9 Ra 05.405 05.405 05.405 05.405 05.405 10 Ke 11.405 07.60 07.60 03.8 03.8 96.04 88.795 88.795 83.692 83.692 Thus, as per the above calculation (of doing Bharana first and Harana second), the maximum expected longevity of the native is 83.692 – i.e. 83 years 8 months and 09 days. If he died, then it must be very recently. == 0 == ==============================Love and regards,Sreenadh , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> > > Respected Sreenadhji,> > I am providing known data from my neighbors.> > Male> December 30, 1933> Time: 0:49:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 75 E 47' 00", 26 N 10' 00"> Tonk, India> Lagna is virgo at 19 degree.> > Horoscope is accurate as this person belongs to the family of astrologers.> > Female> July 23, 1987> Time: 2:37:17> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> Jaipur, India> > Lagna is Tauras at 22 degree.> > I hope this data will be useful, Deaths are not due to any accidents.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Again I am pissed off! In the second chart you provided, since the DOB is in 1987, it is well evident that the death took place before the age of 22. But the longevity calculations gives the maximum possible longevity as 68 years! If it is certain that this girl died already, is it a suicide? The 8th house is weak, its lord Jupiter placed in 12th and the antara of Saturn in 7th running. I feel that it must be a suicide that happened possibly in 2009 itself. Anyway, for educational purpose, here goes the longevity calculation.================= Case 2: Provided by Vijay Goel Female July 23, 1987 Time: 2:37:17 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00" Jaipur, India Planetary Position Body Longitude Navamsa Lagna 21 Ta 41' 59.53" Cn Sun 5 Cn 06' 44.41" Le Moon 2 Ge 32' 52.49" Li Mars 15 Cn 54' 33.49" Sc Mercury 15 Ge 36' 29.95" Aq Jupiter 4 Ar 03' 35.64" Ta Venus 26 Ge 29' 28.12" Ta Saturn ® 20 Sc 42' 23.36" Cp Rahu 11 Pi 20' 08.58" Li Ketu 11 Vi 20' 08.58" Ar I will use Harana (Deduction) first, Bharana (Addition) second style only for this chart. 1) Standard Calculation While finding Lagnayu I have considered the average of Lagnayu and Lagnamsakayu Sl Gaha Sputa (Sign-Degree-Min) Standard longevity 1 Asc 01-21-41 (3.505+1.728)/2=02.614 2 Su 03-05-06 04.53 3 Mo 02-02-32 06.76 4 Ma 03-15-54 07.77 5 Me 02-15-36 10.68 6 Ju 00-04-03 01.215 7 Ve 02-26-29 01.945 8 Sa 07-20-42 09.21 9 Ra 11-11-20 06.40 10 Ke 05-11-20 00.40 Total 51.524 2) Harana (Deduction) Deduction for enemy house is done for Saturn and Rahu – i.e. 1/3 of longevity provided by them should be deducted.Moudhya harana (deduction for combustion) is done for Mars – i.e. 1/2 of the longevity provided by Mars should be deductedJupiter a benefic is in 12th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity is deductedRahu a malefic is in 11th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity is deductedSaturn a malefic is in 7th from Lagna, so 1/6th of its longevity is deductedExcept for Jupiter, Rahu and Saturn no planet is in drisyartha (visible half) and so deduction for being in visible half is not required for any other planetSince there is no major malefic in lagna, Amsayu harana is not required for any planet Sl Gaha Standard Longevity After SatruKshetra harana After Moudhya harana After Drisyartha harana After Amsayu harana 1 Asc 02.614 02.614 02.614 02.614 02.614 2 Su 04.53 04.53 04.53 04.53 04.53 3 Mo 06.76 06.76 06.76 06.76 06.76 4 Ma 07.77 07.77 03.885 03.885 03.885 5 Me 10.68 10.68 10.68 10.68 10.68 6 Ju 01.215 01.215 01.215 00.6075 00.6075 7 Ve 01.945 01.945 01.945 01.945 01.945 8 Sa 09.21 06.14 06.14 05.12 05.12 9 Ra 06.40 4.267 4.267 02.1335 02.1335 10 Ke 00.40 00.40 00.40 00.40 00.40 51.524 46.321 42.436 38.675 38.675 3) Bharana (Addition) Since Saturn is retrograde and is in swamsa, avoiding multiple multiplications, its longevity should be multiplied by three only..Since Me is in own house, its longevity should be multiplied by twoSun is in swamsa, its longevity should be multiplied by twoMars is in swamsa, its longevity should be multiplied by two Sl Gaha After harana (deduction) After bharana (addition) 1 Asc 02.614 02.614 2 Su 04.53 9.06 3 Mo 06.76 06.76 4 Ma 03.885 7.77 5 Me 10.68 21.36 6 Ju 00.6075 00.6075 7 Ve 01.945 01.945 8 Sa 05.12 15.36 9 Ra 02.1335 02.1335 10 Ke 00.40 00.40 38.675 68.01 The maximum longevity for this chart is 68.01 – i.e. 68 years 0 months 3 days =================Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Dear Sreenadh Ji, Since you are getting pissed off too often these days, plesae make sure to keep yourself well hydrated to avoid dehydration . Regards, -Manoj sreesog <sreesog Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 11:15:48 AM Re: Amshayu - Charts from Vijay Goel Dear Vijay Goel ji, Again I am pissed off! In the second chart you provided, since the DOB is in 1987, it is well evident that the death took place before the age of 22. But the longevity calculations gives the maximum possible longevity as 68 years! If it is certain that this girl died already, is it a suicide? The 8th house is weak, its lord Jupiter placed in 12th and the antara of Saturn in 7th running. I feel that it must be a suicide that happened possibly in 2009 itself. Anyway, for educational purpose, here goes the longevity calculation.============ ===== Case 2: Provided by Vijay Goel FemaleJuly 23, 1987Time: 2:37:17Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"Jaipur , India Planetary Position Body Longitude Navamsa Lagna 21 Ta 41' 59.53" Cn Sun 5 Cn 06' 44.41" Le Moon 2 Ge 32' 52.49" Li Mars 15 Cn 54' 33.49" Sc Mercury 15 Ge 36' 29.95" Aq Jupiter 4 Ar 03' 35.64" Ta Venus 26 Ge 29' 28.12" Ta Saturn ® 20 Sc 42' 23.36" Cp Rahu 11 Pi 20' 08.58" Li Ketu 11 Vi 20' 08.58" Ar I will use Harana (Deduction) first, Bharana (Addition) second style only for this chart. 1) Standard Calculation While finding Lagnayu I have considered the average of Lagnayu and Lagnamsakayu Sl Gaha Sputa (Sign-Degree- Min) Standard longevity 1 Asc 01-21-41 (3.505+1.728) /2=02.614 2 Su 03-05-06 04.53 3 Mo 02-02-32 06.76 4 Ma 03-15-54 07.77 5 Me 02-15-36 10.68 6 Ju 00-04-03 01.215 7 Ve 02-26-29 01.945 8 Sa 07-20-42 09.21 9 Ra 11-11-20 06.40 10 Ke 05-11-20 00.40 Total 51.524 2) Harana (Deduction) Deduction for enemy house is done for Saturn and Rahu – i.e. 1/3 of longevity provided by them should be deducted. Moudhya harana (deduction for combustion) is done for Mars – i.e. 1/2 of the longevity provided by Mars should be deducted Jupiter a benefic is in 12th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity is deducted Rahu a malefic is in 11th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity is deducted Saturn a malefic is in 7th from Lagna, so 1/6th of its longevity is deducted Except for Jupiter, Rahu and Saturn no planet is in drisyartha (visible half) and so deduction for being in visible half is not required for any other planet Since there is no major malefic in lagna, Amsayu harana is not required for any planet Sl Gaha Standard Longevity After SatruKshetra harana After Moudhya harana After Drisyartha harana After Amsayu harana 1 Asc 02.614 02.614 02.614 02.614 02.614 2 Su 04.53 04.53 04.53 04.53 04.53 3 Mo 06.76 06.76 06.76 06.76 06.76 4 Ma 07.77 07.77 03.885 03.885 03.885 5 Me 10.68 10.68 10.68 10.68 10.68 6 Ju 01.215 01.215 01.215 00.6075 00.6075 7 Ve 01.945 01.945 01.945 01.945 01.945 8 Sa 09.21 06.14 06.14 05.12 05.12 9 Ra 06.40 4.267 4.267 02.1335 02.1335 10 Ke 00.40 00.40 00.40 00.40 00.40 51.524 46.321 42.436 38.675 38.675 3) Bharana (Addition) Since Saturn is retrograde and is in swamsa, avoiding multiple multiplications, its longevity should be multiplied by three only. ..Since Me is in own house, its longevity should be multiplied by two Sun is in swamsa, its longevity should be multiplied by two Mars is in swamsa, its longevity should be multiplied by two Sl Gaha After harana (deduction) After bharana (addition) 1 Asc 02.614 02.614 2 Su 04.53 9.06 3 Mo 06.76 06.76 4 Ma 03.885 7.77 5 Me 10.68 21.36 6 Ju 00.6075 00.6075 7 Ve 01.945 01.945 8 Sa 05.12 15.36 9 Ra 02.1335 02.1335 10 Ke 00.40 00.40 38.675 68.01 The maximum longevity for this chart is 68.01 – i.e. 68 years 0 months 3 days============ =====Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Ha..Ha...OK. By the way, - * This Navamsa based Ayurdaya calculation seems to be good and works fine in charts where the death is NOT due to Sadyo Mritu yoga, Balarishta and Yogarishta. This method does not cover deaths due to suicide, accidents etc also itseems - even though in some cases the longevity seems to match. * They also seems to be useful in locating the correct lagna sign where the lagna falls in the brim. Ofcourse this could be useful only if the chart is coming to us after the death of the native. For example, in Vivekandanda's chart if we apply this method it will become well evident to us that his Lagna is Sagittarius and not Capricorn. * For this method to work correctly and provide correct longevity the Birth Time available to us should be accurate - otherwise this method is of no use. To ensure the accuracy of this method, I have checked it with the charts of many in Nehru family - Nehru (74), Indira (66) and (46). In all cases it is giving near to accurate value! That is what surprised me, and that is the very reason for me spending some more time in this method with unknown data. Note: Try this method yourself in some charts where you can be certain that the BT is authentic and correct. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh Ji, > > Since you are getting pissed off too often these days, plesae make sure to keep yourself well hydrated to avoid dehydration . > Â > Regards, > Â -Manoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Respected big brother Sreenadh ji , Namesthe ! This Native died on 15-16th Jan 2007 midnight. Reasons : due to bad health. Since this person was in good post in army, he maintained his health throughout his life, but after 7O years of age he had the problems related to kidney, basically he was also in tension due to his son. Age at time of death he was 74 years one month fifteen days. He had lot of affection with me, Just now flash of his magnificent personality came in my mind. ****** It will require time to grasped the points you want to say in Ayurdaya calculation . Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > The data you provided pissed me off! I have gone through the first > chart of the mail only. Is that really a chart of a man who is already > dead, or is he still alive? The reason for my asking this is that as per > the planetary positions show 83 years of maximum longevity! If he died, > it must be very recently! OK - here goes the calculation. > ============================== > > Case 1: Provided by Vijay Goel > > Male > December 30, 1933 > Time: 0:49:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 75 E 47' 00 " , 26 N 10' 00 " > Tonk, India > Lagna is virgo at 19 degree. > > > > Ayanamsa Used: Surya Siddhanta (Chandra Hari) Ayanamsa > > Try 1: First, Let me try by doing Harana first and Bharana second > > > > Planetary Position > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > > > Lagna 18 Vi 17' 21.67 " Ge > > Sun 13 Sg 59' 27.34 " Le > > Moon 21 Ta 35' 05.85 " Cn > > Mars 7 Cp 37' 59.58 " Pi > > Mercury 1 Sg 47' 29.67 " Ar > > Jupiter 27 Vi 11' 19.42 " Vi > > Venus 24 Cp 57' 53.79 " Le > > Saturn 20 Cp 29' 28.34 " Cn > > Rahu 28 Cp 01' 23.39 " Vi > > Ketu 28 Cn 01' 23.39 " Pi > > > > 1) Standard Calculation > > * While finding Lagnayu I have considered the average of Lagnayu > and Lagnamsakayu > > Sl > > Gaha > > Sputa (Sign-Degree-Min) > > Standard longevity > > 1 > > Asc > > 05-18-17 > > (2.485+5.6094)/2 = 4.04 > > 2 > > Su > > 08-13-59 > > 04.195 > > 3 > > Mo > > 01-21-35 > > 03.475 > > 4 > > Ma > > 09-07-37 > > 11.285 > > 5 > > Me > > 08-01-47 > > 0.535 > > 6 > > Ju > > 05-27-11 > > 5.155 > > 7 > > Ve > > 09-27-57 > > 5.385 > > 8 > > Sa > > 09-20-29 > > 3.145 > > 9 > > Ra > > 09-28-01 > > 5.405 > > 10 > > Ke > > 03-28-01 > > 11.405 > > > > > > Total > > 54.025 > > > > 2) Harana (Deduction) > > * Deduction for enemy house is done for Jupiter and Ketu – > i.e. 1/3 of longevity provided by them should be deducted. > * Since Mercury is exempted from Moudhya harana, deduction for > combustion is not done for any planet. > * Ketu a malefic is in 11th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity > is deducted > * Moon a benefic is in 9th from Lagna, so 1/8th of its > longevity gets deducted. > * Except for Ketu, and Moon no planet is in drisyartha and so > deduction for being in visible half is not required for any other > planet > * Since there is no major malefic in lagna, Amsayu harana is not > required for any planet > > > > Sl > > Gaha > > Standard Longevity > > After > SatruKshetra harana > > After > > Moudhya harana > > After Drisyartha harana > > After > > Amsayu harana > > 1 > > Asc > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 2 > > Su > > 04.195 > > 04.195 > > 04.195 > > 04.195 > > 04.195 > > 3 > > Mo > > 03.475 > > 03.475 > > 03.475 > > 03.040625 > > 03.040625 > > 4 > > Ma > > 11.285 > > 11.285 > > 11.285 > > 11.285 > > 11.285 > > 5 > > Me > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 6 > > Ju > > 05.155 > > 03.437 > > 03.437 > > 03.437 > > 03.437 > > 7 > > Ve > > 05.385 > > 05.385 > > 05.385 > > 05.385 > > 05.385 > > 8 > > Sa > > 03.145 > > 03.145 > > 03.145 > > 03.145 > > 03.145 > > 9 > > Ra > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 10 > > Ke > > 11.405 > > 07.60 > > 07.60 > > 03.80 > > 03.80 > > > > > > 54.025 > > 48.502 > > 48.502 > > 44.2676 > > 44.2676 > > > > 3) Bharana (Addition) > > * Since Moon is exalted and is in swamsa, avoiding multiple > multiplication, its longevity should be multiplied by three only. > * Since Mars is exalted, its longevity should be multiplied by > three > * Since Saturn is in own house, its longevity should be > multiplied by two > * Jupiter is in Vargottama, so its longevity should be > multiplied by two > * Sun is in swamsa, so its longevity should be multiplied by two > * In Prarasa Drekkana, no planet is in swamsa – so no > multiplication related to the same is required. > > > > Sl > > Gaha > > After harana (deduction) > > After bharana (addition) > > 1 > > Asc > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 2 > > Su > > 04.195 > > 08.39 > > 3 > > Mo > > 03.040625 > > 09.122 > > 4 > > Ma > > 11.285 > > 33.855 > > 5 > > Me > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 6 > > Ju > > 03.437 > > 06.874 > > 7 > > Ve > > 05.385 > > 05.385 > > 8 > > Sa > > 03.145 > > 06.29 > > 9 > > Ra > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 10 > > Ke > > 03.80 > > 03.80 > > > > > > 44.2676 > > 83.696 > > > > Thus, as per the above calculation (of doing Harana first and Bharana > second), the maximum expected longevity of the native is 83.696 – > i.e. 83 years 8 months and 11 days. If he died, then it must be very > recently. > > > > Try 2: First, Let me try by doing Harana first and Bharana second > > 1) Standard calculation > > Since the step 1 standard longevity calculation is already done, I will > not repeat it here, but will only use those numbers. > > 2) Bharana (Addition) > > * Since Moon is exalted and is in swamsa, avoiding multiple > multiplication, its longevity should be multiplied by three only. > * Since Mars is exalted, its longevity should be multiplied by > three > * Since Saturn is in own house, its longevity should be > multiplied by two > * Jupiter is in Vargottama, so its longevity should be > multiplied by two > * Sun is in swamsa, so its longevity should be multiplied by two > * In Prarasa Drekkana, no planet is in swamsa – so no > multiplication related to the same is required. > > > > Sl > > Gaha > > Standard Longevity > > After bharana (addition) > > 1 > > Asc > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 2 > > Su > > 04.195 > > 08.39 > > 3 > > Mo > > 03.475 > > 10.425 > > 4 > > Ma > > 11.285 > > 33.855 > > 5 > > Me > > 0.535 > > 00.535 > > 6 > > Ju > > 5.155 > > 10.31 > > 7 > > Ve > > 5.385 > > 5.385 > > 8 > > Sa > > 3.145 > > 06.29 > > 9 > > Ra > > 5.405 > > 05.405 > > 10 > > Ke > > 11.405 > > 11.405 > > > > > > 54.025 > > 96.04 > > 3) Harana (Deduction) > > * Deduction for enemy house is done for Jupiter and Ketu > * Since Mercury is exempted from Moudhya harana, deduction for > combustion is not done for any planet > * Ketu a malefic is in 11th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity > is deducted > * Moon a benefic is in 9th from Lagna, so 1/8th of its > longevity gets deducted. > * Except for Ketu, and Moon no planet is in drisyartha and so > deduction for being in visible half is not required for any other > planet > * Since there is no major malefic in lagna, Amsayu harana is not > required for any planet > > > > > Sl > > Gaha > > After Bharana (Addition) > > After > SatruKshetra harana > > After > > Moudhya harana > > After Drisyartha harana > > After > > Amsayu harana > > 1 > > Asc > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 04.04 > > 2 > > Su > > 08.39 > > 08.39 > > 08.39 > > 08.39 > > 08.39 > > 3 > > Mo > > 10.425 > > 10.425 > > 10.425 > > 09.122 > > 09.122 > > 4 > > Ma > > 33.855 > > 33.855 > > 33.855 > > 33.855 > > 33.855 > > 5 > > Me > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 00.535 > > 6 > > Ju > > 10.31 > > 06.87 > > 06.87 > > 06.87 > > 06.87 > > 7 > > Ve > > 5.385 > > 5.385 > > 5.385 > > 05.385 > > 05.385 > > 8 > > Sa > > 06.29 > > 06.29 > > 06.29 > > 06.29 > > 06.29 > > 9 > > Ra > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 05.405 > > 10 > > Ke > > 11.405 > > 07.60 > > 07.60 > > 03.8 > > 03.8 > > > > > > 96.04 > > 88.795 > > 88.795 > > 83.692 > > 83.692 > > Thus, as per the above calculation (of doing Bharana first and Harana > second), the maximum expected longevity of the native is 83.692 – > i.e. 83 years 8 months and 09 days. If he died, then it must be very > recently. > > == 0 == > > ============================== > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " vijay.goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sreenadhji, > > > > I am providing known data from my neighbors. > > > > Male > > December 30, 1933 > > Time: 0:49:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 47' 00 " , 26 N 10' 00 " > > Tonk, India > > Lagna is virgo at 19 degree. > > > > Horoscope is accurate as this person belongs to the family of > astrologers. > > > > Female > > July 23, 1987 > > Time: 2:37:17 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > Jaipur, India > > > > Lagna is Tauras at 22 degree. > > > > I hope this data will be useful, Deaths are not due to any accidents. > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji, This young girl died on 11th aug 2008, due to failure of heart, i think she had hole in heart from birth, i am not very sure. Her age at the time of death was 21 yrs one month 18 days. When she came to me with her friend, i saw her hand full of criss -cross line all over the palm [like a hand of patient and lack of energy], i only told her to have positive attitude seriously and go for meditation, only after few weeks i heard the news of her death, which shocked me. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > Again I am pissed off! In the second chart you provided, since the > DOB is in 1987, it is well evident that the death took place before the > age of 22. But the longevity calculations gives the maximum possible > longevity as 68 years! > If it is certain that this girl died already, is it a suicide? The 8th > house is weak, its lord Jupiter placed in 12th and the antara of Saturn > in 7th running. I feel that it must be a suicide that happened possibly > in 2009 itself. Anyway, for educational purpose, here goes the > longevity calculation. > ================= > > Case 2: Provided by Vijay Goel > > Female > July 23, 1987 > Time: 2:37:17 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > Jaipur, India > > > > Planetary Position > > Body Longitude Navamsa > > Lagna 21 Ta 41' 59.53 " Cn > > Sun 5 Cn 06' 44.41 " Le > > Moon 2 Ge 32' 52.49 " Li > > Mars 15 Cn 54' 33.49 " Sc > > Mercury 15 Ge 36' 29.95 " Aq > > Jupiter 4 Ar 03' 35.64 " Ta > > Venus 26 Ge 29' 28.12 " Ta > > Saturn ® 20 Sc 42' 23.36 " Cp > > Rahu 11 Pi 20' 08.58 " Li > > Ketu 11 Vi 20' 08.58 " Ar > > > > I will use Harana (Deduction) first, Bharana (Addition) second style > only for this chart. > > > > 1) Standard Calculation > > * While finding Lagnayu I have considered the average of Lagnayu > and Lagnamsakayu > > Sl > > Gaha > > Sputa (Sign-Degree-Min) > > Standard longevity > > 1 > > Asc > > 01-21-41 > > (3.505+1.728)/2=02.614 > > 2 > > Su > > 03-05-06 > > 04.53 > > 3 > > Mo > > 02-02-32 > > 06.76 > > 4 > > Ma > > 03-15-54 > > 07.77 > > 5 > > Me > > 02-15-36 > > 10.68 > > 6 > > Ju > > 00-04-03 > > 01.215 > > 7 > > Ve > > 02-26-29 > > 01.945 > > 8 > > Sa > > 07-20-42 > > 09.21 > > 9 > > Ra > > 11-11-20 > > 06.40 > > 10 > > Ke > > 05-11-20 > > 00.40 > > > > > > Total > > 51.524 > > > > 2) Harana (Deduction) > > * Deduction for enemy house is done for Saturn and Rahu – > i.e. 1/3 of longevity provided by them should be deducted. > * Moudhya harana (deduction for combustion) is done for Mars > – i.e. 1/2 of the longevity provided by Mars should be deducted > * Jupiter a benefic is in 12th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its > longevity is deducted > * Rahu a malefic is in 11th from Lagna, so 1/2 of its longevity > is deducted > * Saturn a malefic is in 7th from Lagna, so 1/6th of its > longevity is deducted > * Except for Jupiter, Rahu and Saturn no planet is in drisyartha > (visible half) and so deduction for being in visible half is not > required for any other planet > * Since there is no major malefic in lagna, Amsayu harana is not > required for any planet > > > > Sl > > Gaha > > Standard Longevity > > After > SatruKshetra harana > > After > > Moudhya harana > > After Drisyartha harana > > After > > Amsayu harana > > 1 > > Asc > > 02.614 > > 02.614 > > 02.614 > > 02.614 > > 02.614 > > 2 > > Su > > 04.53 > > 04.53 > > 04.53 > > 04.53 > > 04.53 > > 3 > > Mo > > 06.76 > > 06.76 > > 06.76 > > 06.76 > > 06.76 > > 4 > > Ma > > 07.77 > > 07.77 > > 03.885 > > 03.885 > > 03.885 > > 5 > > Me > > 10.68 > > 10.68 > > 10.68 > > 10.68 > > 10.68 > > 6 > > Ju > > 01.215 > > 01.215 > > 01.215 > > 00.6075 > > 00.6075 > > 7 > > Ve > > 01.945 > > 01.945 > > 01.945 > > 01.945 > > 01.945 > > 8 > > Sa > > 09.21 > > 06.14 > > 06.14 > > 05.12 > > 05.12 > > 9 > > Ra > > 06.40 > > 4.267 > > 4.267 > > 02.1335 > > 02.1335 > > 10 > > Ke > > 00.40 > > 00.40 > > 00.40 > > 00.40 > > 00.40 > > > > > > 51.524 > > 46.321 > > 42.436 > > 38.675 > > 38.675 > > > > 3) Bharana (Addition) > > * Since Saturn is retrograde and is in swamsa, avoiding multiple > multiplications, its longevity should be multiplied by three only. > * .Since Me is in own house, its longevity should be multiplied > by two > * Sun is in swamsa, its longevity should be multiplied by two > * Mars is in swamsa, its longevity should be multiplied by two > > > > Sl > > Gaha > > After harana (deduction) > > After bharana (addition) > > 1 > > Asc > > 02.614 > > 02.614 > > 2 > > Su > > 04.53 > > 9.06 > > 3 > > Mo > > 06.76 > > 06.76 > > 4 > > Ma > > 03.885 > > 7.77 > > 5 > > Me > > 10.68 > > 21.36 > > 6 > > Ju > > 00.6075 > > 00.6075 > > 7 > > Ve > > 01.945 > > 01.945 > > 8 > > Sa > > 05.12 > > 15.36 > > 9 > > Ra > > 02.1335 > > 02.1335 > > 10 > > Ke > > 00.40 > > 00.40 > > > > > > 38.675 > > 68.01 > > > > The maximum longevity for this chart is 68.01 – i.e. 68 years 0 > months 3 days > > ================= > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Expected Maximum longevity: 83 years 8 months 09 days Actual Longevity experienced: 74 years 1 month 15 days Not bad! It was expected/known that the " Expected Maximum Longevity " (Longevity calculated from chart) will always be bit higher than the actual longevity experienced. In this case also that is not much different. Good. The only point is that he didn't live long enough as his chart granted him - which is t! I said, " if he died it must be recently " - true as per your statement he passed away just 2 years back in 2007. OK. What is your response on the second chart? If she died already what was the reason for death? (Anyway that chart does not seems to be useful to verify this Ayurdaya calculations, since the death seems to be caused by Yogarishta and not a normal death) Love and regards, Sreenadh , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Respected big brother Sreenadh ji , > > Namesthe ! > > This Native died on 15-16th Jan 2007 midnight. Reasons : due to bad health. > Since this person was in good post in army, he maintained his health throughout his life, but after 7O years of age he had the problems related to kidney, basically he was also in tension due to his son. > > Age at time of death he was 74 years one month fifteen days. > He had lot of affection with me, Just now flash of his magnificent personality came in my mind. > > ****** > > It will require time to grasped the points you want to say in Ayurdaya calculation . > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Thanks for the feedback. In Aug 2008? That must be Jup dasa Ju antara itself. Dasa and antara of 8th lord. Hum.... 8th lord in 12th. Anyway, this chart does not seems to be good to verify our fully mechanical/mathematical navamsaka based Ayurdaya calculation method, since it must be Yogarishta that caused the abnormal death of the native. The navamsa based longevity calculation is applicable usually only to normal deaths after around 30 or so - and not deaths prior to that. It may become true and applicable, if the death is due to accident, assassination etc (an opinion derived based on the charts of Indira, Rajiv etc) for whom the age at the time death is 30+ years at least. So please keep this in mind while providing charts for verification of this method. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > This young girl died on 11th aug 2008, due to failure of heart, i think she had hole in heart from birth, i am not very sure. Her age at the time of death was 21 yrs one month 18 days. > > When she came to me with her friend, i saw her hand full of criss -cross line all over the palm [like a hand of patient and lack of energy], i only told her to have positive attitude seriously and go for meditation, only after few weeks i heard the news of her death, which shocked me. > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 //It was expected/known that the " Expected Maximum Longevity " (Longevity calculated from chart) will always be bit higher than the actual longevity experienced. In this case also that is not much different. Good. The only point is that he didn't live long enough as his chart granted him - which is t! > I said, " if he died it must be recently " - true as per your statement he passed away just 2 years back in 2007.// True ! i understand it , Vijay , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > Expected Maximum longevity: 83 years 8 months 09 days > Actual Longevity experienced: 74 years 1 month 15 days > Not bad! It was expected/known that the " Expected Maximum Longevity " (Longevity calculated from chart) will always be bit higher than the actual longevity experienced. In this case also that is not much different. Good. The only point is that he didn't live long enough as his chart granted him - which is t! > I said, " if he died it must be recently " - true as per your statement he passed away just 2 years back in 2007. > OK. What is your response on the second chart? If she died already what was the reason for death? (Anyway that chart does not seems to be useful to verify this Ayurdaya calculations, since the death seems to be caused by Yogarishta and not a normal death) > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Respected big brother Sreenadh ji , > > > > Namesthe ! > > > > This Native died on 15-16th Jan 2007 midnight. Reasons : due to bad health. > > Since this person was in good post in army, he maintained his health throughout his life, but after 7O years of age he had the problems related to kidney, basically he was also in tension due to his son. > > > > Age at time of death he was 74 years one month fifteen days. > > He had lot of affection with me, Just now flash of his magnificent personality came in my mind. > > > > ****** > > > > It will require time to grasped the points you want to say in Ayurdaya calculation . > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji, //So please keep this in mind while providing charts for verification of this method.// You said it earlier all this precautions very clearly and i did understood it ) Buy you know i am a mischievous fellow Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > Thanks for the feedback. In Aug 2008? That must be Jup dasa Ju antara itself. Dasa and antara of 8th lord. Hum.... 8th lord in 12th. > Anyway, this chart does not seems to be good to verify our fully mechanical/mathematical navamsaka based Ayurdaya calculation method, since it must be Yogarishta that caused the abnormal death of the native. > The navamsa based longevity calculation is applicable usually only to normal deaths after around 30 or so - and not deaths prior to that. It may become true and applicable, if the death is due to accident, assassination etc (an opinion derived based on the charts of Indira, Rajiv etc) for whom the age at the time death is 30+ years at least. So please keep this in mind while providing charts for verification of this method. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > This young girl died on 11th aug 2008, due to failure of heart, i think she had hole in heart from birth, i am not very sure. Her age at the time of death was 21 yrs one month 18 days. > > > > When she came to me with her friend, i saw her hand full of criss -cross line all over the palm [like a hand of patient and lack of energy], i only told her to have positive attitude seriously and go for meditation, only after few weeks i heard the news of her death, which shocked me. > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, //> You said it earlier all this precautions very clearly and i did understood it ) But you know i am a mischievous fellow // Ha..Ha.. That is ok. But as you already know, we should try to apply/verify this method in charts - 1) Normal death after the age of 30 and before 108 2) Deaths due to accident, assassination, disease etc between 30 to 108. (Here we cannot be certain that the method will work fine; but the experiences considered till now shows that it 'may' work here too). It may not work correctly in charts where - 1) Death is due to Sadyo Mritu yoga, Balarishta or Yogarishta 2) Charts below the age of 30 years approx. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > //So please keep this in mind while providing charts > for verification of this method.// > > You said it earlier all this precautions very clearly and i did understood it ) > > But you know i am a mischievous fellow > > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Also may be Sreenadh ji would like to ponder over which method of ayu to use on which chart. Amshayu, Pinda Ayu, Nisarga Ayu, Yogardaya Ayu etc. etc., And then as one poet had said, the date of death is fixed, so why lose sleep every night..... Maut ka ek din muyayyan hai, neend kyon raat bhar nahin aati..... regards, Mouji vijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 12:52:08 PM Re: Amshayu - Charts from Vijay Goel Respected big brother Sreenadh ji ,Namesthe !This Native died on 15-16th Jan 2007 midnight. Reasons : due to bad health.Since this person was in good post in army, he maintained his health throughout his life, but after 7O years of age he had the problems related to kidney, basically he was also in tension due to his son.Age at time of death he was 74 years one month fifteen days.He had lot of affection with me, Just now flash of his magnificent personality came in my mind.******It will require time to grasped the points you want to say in Ayurdaya calculation .Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Yes, I will ponder over Pinda Ayu, Jeevasarmeeya Ayu as well in near future. Any way ascribing/selecting one type of Ayu - out of Pinda Ayu, Jeevasarmeeya Ayu, Amsayu - is NOT my choice or advice. Because the prime difference between these systems is that different scholars felt those systems as more accurate and depended on them in ALL situations. So I respect them all, and given a choice - I will try all of them and then only come to a conclusion regarding which is my favorite. Any way, there is a very less chance of suggesting things such us, use this Ayu in if this condition is met, that if that condition is met etc. That do not seem to be the path the ancient scholars followed at least regarding Pinda Ayu, Jeevasarmeeya Ayu and Amsayu. The following sages/scholars suggested the following - Pindayu - Skanda, Daksha, Maya, Yavana, Manintha, Parasara; ALWAYS for all Ayurdaya calculations. Jeevasarmeeya Ayu - Skanda, Jeevasarma; ALWAYS for all Ayurdaya calculations. Amsayu - Skanda, Satyacharya;ALWAYS for all Ayurdaya calculations. //> And then as one poet had said, the date of death is fixed, so why lose sleep every night.....// Ha..Ha..Beautiful! I agree with you. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Also may be Sreenadh ji would like to ponder over which method of ayu to use on which chart. Amshayu, Pinda Ayu, Nisarga Ayu, Yogardaya Ayu etc. etc., > > And then as one poet had said, the date of death is fixed, so why lose sleep every night..... > > Maut ka ek din muyayyan hai, neend kyon raat bhar nahin aati..... > > regards, > > Mouji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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