Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Utkalji,It is nice that you are trying to dig out what additional information you can get to supplement the information already put forward. Regards,Sunil--- On Sun, 11/1/09, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote:utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Re: JYOTISH IN VEDA VANGMAYA !!! Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 6:23 AM Sunil Ji, Yesterday, I found a book which mentiöns that in an Arabic Work 'Ain Ul Aba Fital Kaluli Atba' it's written that in Shaka 694, An indian jyotishi Karka gave them teachings of Jyotish and Ayur Vedic Medicines, he came to Bagdad. We have been a culture with global outlook because of our vedic wisdom and upnishadic introspection. When we deviated from vedic dyanimism, slavery was waiting for we indians. You are right atharvan jyotish, I have seen your efforts in saving respect to Vedas, I deliberately provided additional information on Rashi Names, Varas etc other than Atharvan Source to realize those 'polite scholars' so that they can understand how inadequate their study is, they just became toddler by reading other author's work and began projecting themselves as scholars, they had no answers to any questions raised, had no proof to save their face but still saying any thing, long writings with no content. Regards, Utkal ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Utkalji, > > I think some of the members might be referring to some vyavichara elements entering the tantric rituals (for the grihasthis) at a later date. In that context I shall urge them to see the Mahanirvana Tantra, which sets the norms for some of the intimate rituals.It says that the the married couple forms the right partners for each other. In some other tantras an unmarried woman is not allowed to participate in the tantric rituals. Otherwise a lady has to be of past the child-bearing age. As regards drinking there are recommended substitutes and if at all one wants to have the drink it must not exceed two tolas. Meat eating was not a taboo in the ancient times. The Brahmanas did not take meat unless medically recommended. Manu says what are the rules to be observed if one takes meat. Lord Buddha was very compassionate and did not want one to kill animals. Yet he allowed the Monks to have meat if the animal was not specifically killed for the monk or > the monk had not seen the killing of the animal ot did not hear the death cry of the animal. Tantra gives substitues for meat for one who does not take meat.. Thus even for Vamachara the rules are strict. Of course such questions do not arise for Samayachara at all. > > Rashis are mentioned in Veda, Vedanga Jyotisha and the Puranas also > > As regards the references to Vara I feel the Baudhayana Sutra and Atharvana Jyotisha give more direct reference. Yajnavalky does not give it that clearly. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] JYOTISH IN VEDA VANGMAYA !!! > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, November 1, 2009, 2:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing info with those who are interested, in fact, some members of group with a tag of 'scholar' lack self study, i found a extreme polite member perhape have never did open core tantra classics, had he done that, he wd have known that all the tantra rituals pertain to some or other vedic god, God Vishnu is chiefly present in all the rituals of Laxmi tantra, why people project decorated lies in their loose verbose write up, seems, because it helps them having a false image of an scholarly person, but, they must know, life to such attempts is very small, rather then such negaitve attempts, their attempt should be towards learning more, knowing more, discovering more, bt, that approach can give them only an image of 'Vidyarthi or Student' unlike targetted image of 'Vidvan or Scholar'. > > > > Well, as i m proceeding with study of vedic literature, I find more and more desired evidences of Jyotish to be a pure vedic origin, we people of liberal vedic culture shared our knowledge with othe people also. > > > > I found in Paraskar Griha Sutra, a list of Nakschatras is given, those are nakschatras pertaining to marriage, their names are same as we use today. Sutra shloka goes this way - > > > > 'Trishu Trishu Uttaradishu Swatiyo MrigShirashi Rohinyam ....' > > > > I also found in Boudhayan Sutra names of Rashi's as we use today is given, it's exactly same, Sutra Shloka goes this way, context was description of Basant Ritu - > > > > 'Meen MeshayorMesh Vrishabhayor Basantah ....' > > > > Hope, above information will help those who falsely or ignorently say Joyotish to be of non indian (Rom, Mesopotamia etc.) origin. > > > > Recently, another controversy was raised that we indians were not aware of 7day's Vara System, It 's simply a case of lack of study or stupidity, pls. be positive in your approach, you need to study lot more. > > > > Yagyawalka Smriti says following shloka, this is seed for Vara System, Shloka goes this way - > > > > ' Suryah Somau Mahiputrau Brihaspatih Sukrah Sanaischarau .... Graha Smritah' > > > > Notice the sequence of grahas given in Yagyawalka Smriti. > > > > Dear Scholars, pls be student at first, let's learn togather. > > n > > Utkal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Utkalji,To my information it was Kankah (not Karka), who along with several Indian Jyotishis, went to Baghdad during the reign (754 - 7775 CE) of the caliph Al-Mamun. He not only taught them Hindu astrology but also taught them the Indian numarals, which was later known as Arabic numerals, simply because the West learnt that from the Arabs at a later date.Regards,SunilK. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 11/1/09, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote:utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Re: JYOTISH IN VEDA VANGMAYA !!! Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 6:23 AM Sunil Ji, Yesterday, I found a book which mentiöns that in an Arabic Work 'Ain Ul Aba Fital Kaluli Atba' it's written that in Shaka 694, An indian jyotishi Karka gave them teachings of Jyotish and Ayur Vedic Medicines, he came to Bagdad. We have been a culture with global outlook because of our vedic wisdom and upnishadic introspection. When we deviated from vedic dyanimism, slavery was waiting for we indians. You are right atharvan jyotish, I have seen your efforts in saving respect to Vedas, I deliberately provided additional information on Rashi Names, Varas etc other than Atharvan Source to realize those 'polite scholars' so that they can understand how inadequate their study is, they just became toddler by reading other author's work and began projecting themselves as scholars, they had no answers to any questions raised, had no proof to save their face but still saying any thing, long writings with no content. Regards, Utkal ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Utkalji, > > I think some of the members might be referring to some vyavichara elements entering the tantric rituals (for the grihasthis) at a later date. In that context I shall urge them to see the Mahanirvana Tantra, which sets the norms for some of the intimate rituals.It says that the the married couple forms the right partners for each other. In some other tantras an unmarried woman is not allowed to participate in the tantric rituals. Otherwise a lady has to be of past the child-bearing age. As regards drinking there are recommended substitutes and if at all one wants to have the drink it must not exceed two tolas. Meat eating was not a taboo in the ancient times. The Brahmanas did not take meat unless medically recommended. Manu says what are the rules to be observed if one takes meat. Lord Buddha was very compassionate and did not want one to kill animals. Yet he allowed the Monks to have meat if the animal was not specifically killed for the monk or > the monk had not seen the killing of the animal ot did not hear the death cry of the animal. Tantra gives substitues for meat for one who does not take meat.. Thus even for Vamachara the rules are strict. Of course such questions do not arise for Samayachara at all. > > Rashis are mentioned in Veda, Vedanga Jyotisha and the Puranas also > > As regards the references to Vara I feel the Baudhayana Sutra and Atharvana Jyotisha give more direct reference. Yajnavalky does not give it that clearly. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] JYOTISH IN VEDA VANGMAYA !!! > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, November 1, 2009, 2:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing info with those who are interested, in fact, some members of group with a tag of 'scholar' lack self study, i found a extreme polite member perhape have never did open core tantra classics, had he done that, he wd have known that all the tantra rituals pertain to some or other vedic god, God Vishnu is chiefly present in all the rituals of Laxmi tantra, why people project decorated lies in their loose verbose write up, seems, because it helps them having a false image of an scholarly person, but, they must know, life to such attempts is very small, rather then such negaitve attempts, their attempt should be towards learning more, knowing more, discovering more, bt, that approach can give them only an image of 'Vidyarthi or Student' unlike targetted image of 'Vidvan or Scholar'. > > > > Well, as i m proceeding with study of vedic literature, I find more and more desired evidences of Jyotish to be a pure vedic origin, we people of liberal vedic culture shared our knowledge with othe people also. > > > > I found in Paraskar Griha Sutra, a list of Nakschatras is given, those are nakschatras pertaining to marriage, their names are same as we use today. Sutra shloka goes this way - > > > > 'Trishu Trishu Uttaradishu Swatiyo MrigShirashi Rohinyam ....' > > > > I also found in Boudhayan Sutra names of Rashi's as we use today is given, it's exactly same, Sutra Shloka goes this way, context was description of Basant Ritu - > > > > 'Meen MeshayorMesh Vrishabhayor Basantah ....' > > > > Hope, above information will help those who falsely or ignorently say Joyotish to be of non indian (Rom, Mesopotamia etc.) origin. > > > > Recently, another controversy was raised that we indians were not aware of 7day's Vara System, It 's simply a case of lack of study or stupidity, pls. be positive in your approach, you need to study lot more. > > > > Yagyawalka Smriti says following shloka, this is seed for Vara System, Shloka goes this way - > > > > ' Suryah Somau Mahiputrau Brihaspatih Sukrah Sanaischarau .... Graha Smritah' > > > > Notice the sequence of grahas given in Yagyawalka Smriti. > > > > Dear Scholars, pls be student at first, let's learn togather. > > n > > Utkal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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