BIRTH time rectification test( For Raichur ji)

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Regarding birth time, it is prudent to note the time when the baby first breathes, however it may or may not be the time when the baby cries, as there may not be any cry at all. Further one may not be able to notice if the first breath has been taken. One has to use a bit of medical knowledge here. The actual time the baby is delivered , is the birth time. This is because as soon as the baby is out of the womb, lungs expand immediately due to the pressure changes and are then followed by a spontaneous breath. Life is born. If the baby is not live at birth the lungs shall not expand and live birth has not taken place. A cry usually is the indication of birth but may not happen.

Thus the birth takes place as soon as the baby is out of the womb, that time should be the right time. If the baby doesnt breathe, the lungs and heart are working and need more oxygen, so life is already there , but the baby turns blue. If after resuscitaion the baby begins to breathe normally or has assisted respiration, the birth time will still stay as the time when the baby was first delieverd and not when the breathing took place whenther natural or artificial. However this may not be he exact time as per astrology, so perhaps rectification is required for more accuracy.

Anyway I have a query regarding this rectification method rather than using the past events as guide.

 

My contention is that by this KP method( as per the Moon lord etc) every person's chart should reflect this combination, which it doesnt. Does that mean their birth times are astrologically incorrect? Can any one explain why?

 

Thanks,

 

Regards

 

Sharat

 

 

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108ar

Sunday, October 01, 2006 8:50 PM

Re: BIRTH time rectification test

 

 

 

PS: I am copying/sending this discussion to the List, so that other members can benefit from your explanation, dear Raichur.

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Dear Raichur,

 

I am really impressed! /and I am not easily impressed, believe me/. This is the only rectification method, of many, many ..I've encountered in my 8year 'long' jyotish journey, that fully makes sense to me /and is not frivolous, easy 'adjustment-to-fit-interpretation we've all seen so many times!/.

Thank you for explaining this to me so clearly; lacking the KP books, and clear rules, I've always felt very confused and discouraged about studying KP-would you please, suggest one book that can help me get started and get better able to learn/study from your comments?

My son's case is obviously the proof for both r birth-first breath' issue. I also personally can easily accept that life begins and ends with the first and last breath.

 

Best regards,

 

Anna Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

 

Dear Anna

One of the rules for birth rectification is that at Birth

 

The Star Lord of Moon, should be same as the Sub-lord of ASC, and

The su-lord of Moon shd be the sub-sub lord of Asc. If the given TOB is changed to fit this criterion, then TOB came to 5,20. This time I presumed is the time your son cried after birth.

 

There is a discussion going on, what exactly shd be taken as the Time of Birth, (for astrological purpose of casting the Horoscope, which forms the basis of predictions).

 

The alternatives are : 1 When the Head Comes out 2, When the connecting cord is cut 3:When the child 1st cries.

 

On presumption that the child creies when he takes the 1st breath, and according to Mystics, the Soul Enters the body with the breath, the time of crying be taken as time of birth, at lrasy for astrological work. Your son's breathing some time, later than being out of the womb, can be acase to prove the assumption, and the validity of rectification of birth time.

 

KP requires the TOB to be as accurate as possible. It is only one known Method, which can explain the differences between twins, where the time of birth is 1 to 2 min.

 

Hope this helps

108ar <bona_mente > wrote:

 

Dear Raichur,

I don't know anything about KP method/rules, neither do I know/understand why Ju-sub for Asc. would signify first cry/first breath problem. It's perhaps basic, but I am not even there yet. In fact I feel pretty lost in this KP area.

If you find it worth explaining/elaborating on this, it would be appreciated.

Best regards,

AnnaRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Dear 108arIn the case cited I presume 5,15 is the Time, when yhe child came out of the womb.I cast the chart for this time. Yhe MOON is in Ven Star, Jup Sub.The ASC sub is Ven. So this satisfies the rule. The ASc Subsub was also Ven, where as Moon's Sub is Jupiter.When I changed the BirthnTime to 5,20 then tha ASC Subsub also was JUP. Which meant that TOB of 5,20 was the astrologically correct Birth Time.This may also prove the assumption that 1st Breath/Cry is rhe correct birth time, at least for astrological work.good luck 108ar <bona_mente > wrote:

 

Dear Raichurar,

 

I am curious to know your standing on this 'first cry' related issue. In some cases, first cry doesn't happen immediately upon birth- how would you interpret this: as 'balarishta' indicated in the chart, or soul intention/withdrawa l, or smth else, as well as potential long-term consequences. ..

My son /born July 11, 1976 at 5:15 Belgrade, Yugoslavia-Serbia, Scorpio Lagna, Sun MD at birth, positioned in 8th/ didn't cry for more that 3 min., was 'reanimated' sort of.

AND: Thank you for teaching us this special /KP/ system!

Best regards,

Anna Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@ > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear All,

I am totaly agree with Raichur ji. cry is the right time to count as birth time.

 

regards

kanakRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

 

 

Dear ListMy view : Mystics hold that the Soul enters the body with the first birth, and leaves with the last birth. A cry is an indication of the babay taking in the 1st breath, and becoming an indivudial person.my 2 paise contribution to the topic.Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

 

Dear Mr Pavan KumarPl. read Page 222 of the 6th reader Horary Astrology and solve the question youself.You will only learn that way.good luckpavan kumar <pavankumargvp (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

Hare Krsna Namaste To you All. First of all thanks to Nemani Ji, Kanak Bosmia ji, and Satish Ji for their analyses. Now I would like to ask another question i.e. when a person, known to me, Mr. Purna, would be freed from his debts? He is despertely suffering from debts. The learned members could please answer the question as early as possible. For your kind information he is doing edible oil business in Vijayawada. He has given the number---246. Thanking you all Pavan Kumar.

 

 

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