Confessions of an astrolover astrologer: To Rangarajanji and all forum members

Posted September 15, 2006 · September 15, 2006

Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,

I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the

moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to

interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce

myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as

a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral

degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting

Research Scholar.

Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is

astrology.

Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2

days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically

valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by

astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign

professors, who know various research methods like Cluster Analysis,

Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no

knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty

degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why

statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our

Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable

friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about

doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of

true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?

My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership in

this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan

ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank

Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on

various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative

and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his

research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down'

any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer

program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and astrolover

community is that we are always using dictums without any valid

proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life

events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the

initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that Raichurji,

Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by

doing systematic research. God Bless them.

After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding

BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like

to share:

1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are

having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people

who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the

relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place.

Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when

the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child

first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for

fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their

wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant

proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the

doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated

charts may itself be wrong.

2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and

make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this

innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient

adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven

distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a

time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact

for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same

mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may

alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time

mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is:

Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and

apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub

may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of

the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about

the dictum.

3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating

charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with

different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test

for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of

12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test

may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum is

statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and

improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts

based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with

different time mutations.

Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji

about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous

and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close

friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12

minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly

reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord.

Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying

6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just

received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years

of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.

But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method

which I would like to pose to all our forum members.

If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people

come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign

lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same

for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the

same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is,

Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such a

case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the

same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it may

also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar.

Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people

coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and

sublords?

Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP

moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result

if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times,

knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say

that if I obtain the RP now and get the time correction and then do

it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time

corrections be of the same magnitude and order??

Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I

have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself from

writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology

is in my blood.

Wish all of you very best.

Andrew Dutta

Posted September 17, 2006 · September 17, 2006

Dear Andrew Dutta It was a pleasure to read your long note. I was a student of enginnering, and did study some statistical methods. I recollect we were running thes tests on concrete cube strengths, both field and laboratory cast. These tests apply to material scinces, although, a variation in operaters skill is invoved. You may not subscibe to the view held by Indian Astrologers, is that a Sciece, guided by some divine power within the person. Ruling Planet method wether you use the person Natve M00n or the Ruling planet Moon, is subject to this . It is said and proved, not in the statistal way, you wnat, that the RPS are a part of the native, and they repeat (not in same order) whenever an astrologer looks up his chart. This is some thing we have not been able to study, in extensive tests. But ask any old asrologer, and he may confirm, if he has kept records. RP methods,especially, those involving Birth Rectification, and fixing time, have this factor of some uncertainty. So some Marathi Astrologers have devised a method, an extension of KP methods, where relianace on the RP is reduced, and not at all for fixing time when the event will occour. a -groups is formed to do research on the statistical lines. One study ahs been completed. These results will be published shortly. good luck Andrew Dutta <andrewinfinitum wrote: Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting Research Scholar.Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is astrology.Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2 days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign professors, who

know various research methods like Cluster Analysis, Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership in this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative and qualitative research methodology

myself, I have found his research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down' any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and astrolover community is that we are always using dictums without any valid proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that Raichurji, Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by doing systematic research. God Bless them.After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like to share:1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or

the relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place. Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated charts may itself be wrong.2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a

different impact for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is: Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about the dictum.3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test may give actual statistical confirmation as to

whether the dictum is statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with different time mutations.Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12 minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord. Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.But then a question came to mind

regarding this wonderful method which I would like to pose to all our forum members. If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is, Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such a case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it may also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar. Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and sublords?Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP moon always

coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times, knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say that if I obtain the RP now and get the time correction and then do it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time corrections be of the same magnitude and order??Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself from writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology is in my blood.Wish all of you very best.Andrew DuttaGood LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail.

Posted September 17, 2006 · September 17, 2006

Dear Andrew Dutta, This is very short mail only.becoz the person who entering in to the world of KP system they having millions of Q in thier mind. finaly they wil settle when the understand a "bit" about RP. becoz no one can understand RP 100%. but we can utilize the RP as much as possible. i think you are in track to find the utilisation of RP. and i like to clear few Q which you asked in your posting. 1) if i checked 100 times then RP Moon and Birth ASC will connect same? Answer : Yes. always it wil connect. after rectifiying time of birth then you want to check the connection between RP moon and Asc in several time (random time) then only you can be a master in RBT. if some other time u getting wrong answer then think the first time rectified way is wrong. As per my experiance when ever i am taking a horocope i wil check the

connection then only i proced to prediction. 2) If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours ? Answer : RP Moon sub wil change with few hrs diffrence. so the Lagna sub also wil change. in my RBT technquie i am not telling that the RP moon is exactly same by birth Asc. both wil have connection via sub or star. so after few practice you wil be clear about it. importent matter is every year april 14th in our orgaization we do a astrological awarness program. becoz that day sun enters 0 degree aries. our students wil give free predictions on that day to all. in this program per hr more then 500 people wil come to ask at a time. our students will give answer through RP. not based on

natal or horary. so we aready checked the power of RP. and we are still want to achive lot about RP. we want to think why all people come in that perticluar time? why others not? then only we can know the exact meaning of RP. people who have connectivity about RP moon and Asc then they only come that moment. otherwsie they wil not come. i hope you are clear... Swami Omkar Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Andrew

Dutta It was a pleasure to read your long note. I was a student of enginnering, and did study some statistical methods. I recollect we were running thes tests on concrete cube strengths, both field and laboratory cast. These tests apply to material scinces, although, a variation in operaters skill is invoved. You may not subscibe to the view held by Indian Astrologers, is that a Sciece, guided by some divine power within the person. Ruling Planet method wether you use the person Natve M00n or the Ruling planet Moon, is subject to this . It is said and proved, not in the statistal way, you wnat, that the RPS are a part of the native, and they repeat (not in same order) whenever an astrologer looks up his chart. This is some thing we have not been able to study, in extensive tests. But ask any old asrologer, and he may confirm, if he has kept records. RP methods,especially, those involving Birth Rectification, and fixing time, have this factor of some uncertainty. So some Marathi Astrologers have devised a method, an extension of KP methods, where relianace on the RP is reduced, and not at all for fixing time when the event will occour. a -groups is formed to do research on the statistical lines. One study ahs been completed. These results will be published shortly. good luck Andrew Dutta <andrewinfinitum > wrote: Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to interact

with all these brilliant group members. To introduce myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting Research Scholar.Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is astrology.Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2 days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign professors, who know various research methods like Cluster Analysis, Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our Indian

astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership in this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down' any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and astrolover community is that we are always using dictums without any valid proof of its

efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that Raichurji, Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by doing systematic research. God Bless them.After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like to share:1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place. Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for fathers in US who are allowed to

remain in the labor room of their wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated charts may itself be wrong.2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is: Is it right to keep the same

time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about the dictum.3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum is statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with different time mutations.Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and

Raghunathji about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12 minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord. Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method which I would like to pose to all our forum members. If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more

that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is, Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such a case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it may also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar. Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and sublords?Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times, knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say that if I obtain the RP now and get the time correction and then do it again tomorrow and the next day and the other,

will the time corrections be of the same magnitude and order??Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself from writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology is in my blood.Wish all of you very best.Andrew DuttaGood LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail.

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Posted September 17, 2006 · September 17, 2006

Dear Sri Andrew Datta,

Welcome to the group .You have made certain observations,I

will respond with my views on some,for the present.

In this part of the world Astrology is a part of our

lives,even though scorned by the elitist scientific community as

something fanciful , unscientific etc etc. If you would stay long

enough in India,you would read on astrology bashing by

the " rationalists " .

The Indian society permits freedom to criticize anyone,anything

under the Sun.

Usually people turn to astrologers,astrology, when all

attempts to achieve results prove an abysymal failure. There is no

rational reasoning why things fail to happen.

The bane of Indian astrology,wonderful as it is, has been

largely in the field of documentation. Fortunately we have few

dedicated astrologer friends in this group, who have a research

orientation to adopt principles of astrology/prediction to tabulate

results.You mentioned some names too.

In the reality situation, the population size of cases

examined, is not adequate to finalise an all encompassing dictum/

(a), for universal application. Even renowned astrologers are humble

to accept, that Vedanta provides for Free Will,for interplay of

Karmic forces.Putting into simple terms,every event is a statistical

fit,indicative but not deterministic.

The success rate could be in the region of 80-85%.The

attempt is to improve these figures.

Take for example to determine what is the correct birth

time,this has defied a universal acceptance.As can be seen even

experienced astrologers have differnt opinions all being right most

of the times but not always. The example of birth time correction of

12 min , clearly a case of large correction,may not find common

acceptance.

as one of being too large.Swami Omkar's principle is being tried

out as an improvement,the results of over 100 cases will be a

pointer for acceptance.I am in the process of trying out myself.

Pleasant stay in the group.

Regards,

Satish

, " Andrew Dutta "

<andrewinfinitum wrote:

>

> Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,

>

> I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the

> moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to

> interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce

> myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained

as

> a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral

> degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting

> Research Scholar.

> Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is

> astrology.

>

> Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2

> days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically

> valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by

> astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign

> professors, who know various research methods like Cluster

Analysis,

> Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no

> knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty

> degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why

> statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our

> Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable

> friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go

about

> doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of

> true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?

>

> My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership

in

> this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan

> ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank

> Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on

> various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative

> and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his

> research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down'

> any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer

> program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and

astrolover

> community is that we are always using dictums without any valid

> proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life

> events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the

> initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that

Raichurji,

> Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by

> doing systematic research. God Bless them.

>

> After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding

> BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would

like

> to share:

> 1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are

> having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The

people

> who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the

> relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first

place.

> Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when

> the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child

> first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for

> fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their

> wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant

> proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon

the

> doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated

> charts may itself be wrong.

> 2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and

> make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this

> innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient

> adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven

> distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words,

a

> time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact

> for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same

> mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may

> alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time

> mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question

is:

> Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and

> apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub

> may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity

of

> the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about

> the dictum.

> 3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating

> charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with

> different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of

test

> for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of

> 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t'

test

> may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum

is

> statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and

> improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts

> based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with

> different time mutations.

>

> Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji

> about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous

> and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close

> friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12

> minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly

> reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord.

> Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying

> 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just

> received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5

years

> of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.

> But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method

> which I would like to pose to all our forum members.

>

> If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people

> come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign

> lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would

same

> for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain

the

> same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is,

> Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such

a

> case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the

> same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it

may

> also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar.

> Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people

> coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords

and

> sublords?

>

> Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP

> moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same

result

> if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different

times,

> knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say

> that if I obtain the RP now and get the time correction and then

do

> it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time

> corrections be of the same magnitude and order??

>

> Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I

> have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself

from

> writing this because I am too excited about this forum and

astrology

> is in my blood.

>

> Wish all of you very best.

>

> Andrew Dutta

>

Posted September 17, 2006 · September 17, 2006

Dear Dutta ji, I am agree with swamiji and raichur ji. RP is not as simple as you read in book.in general practise every one want to use RP but dont know how to use RP. If you check some old mail you will found mail on RP wirten by Kuppuji . please read this mail your all doubt on RP will clear. it is not adviseble to us RP any time . befor you start work with RP it is necessory to pray your istadevata or if you dont belive in god then pray to you parent specialy your mother and then only start to claculet RP.and only after this you will get result of RP. RP is not jst simple rules. yes if you do all excersies by your hear you will found same result every times. hope it help swami omkar <swamiomkar wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta, This is very short mail only.becoz the person who entering in to the world of KP system they having millions of Q in thier mind. finaly they wil settle when the understand a "bit" about RP. becoz no one can understand RP 100%. but we can utilize the RP as much as possible. i think you are in track to find the utilisation of RP. and i like to clear few Q which you asked in your posting. 1) if i checked 100 times then RP Moon and Birth

ASC will connect same? Answer : Yes. always it wil connect. after rectifiying time of birth then you want to check the connection between RP moon and Asc in several time (random time) then only you can be a master in RBT. if some other time u getting wrong answer then think the first time rectified way is wrong. As per my experiance when ever i am taking a horocope i wil check the connection then only i proced to prediction. 2) If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours ? Answer : RP Moon sub wil change with few hrs diffrence. so the Lagna sub also wil change. in my RBT technquie i am not telling that the RP moon is exactly same by birth Asc. both wil have connection via sub or star. so

after few practice you wil be clear about it. importent matter is every year april 14th in our orgaization we do a astrological awarness program. becoz that day sun enters 0 degree aries. our students wil give free predictions on that day to all. in this program per hr more then 500 people wil come to ask at a time. our students will give answer through RP. not based on natal or horary. so we aready checked the power of RP. and we are still want to achive lot about RP. we want to think why all people come in that perticluar time? why others not? then only we can know the exact meaning of RP. people who have connectivity about RP moon and Asc then they only come that moment. otherwsie they wil not come. i hope you are clear... Swami Omkar Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta It was a pleasure to read your long note. I was a student of enginnering, and did study some statistical methods. I recollect we were running thes tests on concrete cube strengths, both field and laboratory cast. These tests apply to material scinces, although, a variation in operaters skill is invoved. You may not subscibe to the view held by Indian Astrologers, is that a Sciece, guided by some divine power within the person. Ruling Planet method wether you use the person Natve M00n or the Ruling planet Moon, is subject to this . It is said and proved, not in the statistal way, you wnat, that the RPS are a part of the native, and they repeat (not in same order) whenever an astrologer looks up his chart. This is some thing we have not been able to

study, in extensive tests. But ask any old asrologer, and he may confirm, if he has kept records. RP methods,especially, those involving Birth Rectification, and fixing time, have this factor of some uncertainty. So some Marathi Astrologers have devised a method, an extension of KP methods, where relianace on the RP is reduced, and not at all for fixing time when the event will occour. a -groups is formed to do research on the statistical lines. One study ahs been completed. These results will be published shortly. good luck Andrew Dutta <andrewinfinitum > wrote: Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,I am a new comer

in this forum and I would like to thank the moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting Research Scholar.Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is astrology.Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2 days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign professors, who know various research methods like Cluster Analysis, Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty degrees of each

zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership in this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down' any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer program. One of the biggest problem

of the astrologer and astrolover community is that we are always using dictums without any valid proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that Raichurji, Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by doing systematic research. God Bless them.After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like to share:1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place. Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when

the child first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated charts may itself be wrong.2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various

time mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is: Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about the dictum.3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum is statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts based of the rising star. In this case, we would have

27 sets with different time mutations.Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12 minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord. Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method which I would like to pose to all our forum members. If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that

the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is, Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such a case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it may also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar. Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and sublords?Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times, knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say that if I obtain

the RP now and get the time correction and then do it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time corrections be of the same magnitude and order??Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself from writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology is in my blood.Wish all of you very best.Andrew DuttaGood LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

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Posted September 18, 2006 · September 18, 2006

Dear Swami Onkar, The Ruling Planets theorem,over time has come to become an axiom...! Ruling Planets never fail,provided one makes an honest and sincere attempt,after praying to one's Ishta Devata... Personally I have experimented with them umpteen numbers of time...when I used to send my peon to the bank to deposit checks every working day...and predict to my secretary the correct

time of his return...and found them to be remarkably accurate indeed... One particular instance I can never forget...As was my practise,I had cast a horary horoscope at the time...the s/l of XI Sat, was retrograde and posited in his own star at the TOJ,and the peon did not return...till suddenly there was the notorious Bomb Blast,almost opposite the Passport Office,very close to State Bank of India...he came to the office the next day,a shaken man...! The above was a classic example of RPs at work... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. After the blast evrything around went into a panic mode and our peon "rushed home,in the face of the widespread rumours circulating around...Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear Dutta ji, I am agree with swamiji and raichur ji. RP is not as simple as you read in book.in general practise every one want to use RP but dont know how to use RP. If you check some old mail you will found mail on RP wirten by Kuppuji . please read this mail your all doubt on RP will clear. it is not adviseble to us RP any time . befor you start work with RP it is necessory to pray your istadevata or if you dont belive in god then pray to you parent specialy your mother and then only start to claculet RP.and only after this you will get result of RP. RP is not jst simple rules. yes if you do all excersies by your hear you will found same result every times. hope it help swami omkar <swamiomkar (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta, This is very short mail only.becoz the person who entering in to the world of KP system they having millions of Q in thier mind. finaly they wil settle when the understand a "bit" about RP. becoz no one can understand RP 100%. but we can utilize the RP as much as possible. i think you are in track to find the utilisation of RP. and i like to clear few Q which you asked in your posting. 1) if i checked 100 times then RP Moon and Birth ASC will connect same? Answer : Yes. always it wil connect. after rectifiying time of birth then you want to check the connection between RP moon and Asc in several time (random time) then only you can be a master in RBT. if some other time u getting wrong answer then think the first time rectified way is wrong. As per my experiance when ever i am taking a horocope i wil check the connection then only i proced to prediction. 2) If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours ? Answer : RP Moon sub wil change with few hrs diffrence. so the Lagna sub also wil change. in my RBT technquie i am not telling that the RP moon is exactly same by birth Asc. both wil have connection via sub or star. so after few practice you wil be

clear about it. importent matter is every year april 14th in our orgaization we do a astrological awarness program. becoz that day sun enters 0 degree aries. our students wil give free predictions on that day to all. in this program per hr more then 500 people wil come to ask at a time. our students will give answer through RP. not based on natal or horary. so we aready checked the power of RP. and we are still want to achive lot about RP. we want to think why all people come in that perticluar time? why others not? then only we can know the exact meaning of RP. people who have connectivity about RP moon and Asc then they only come that moment. otherwsie they wil not come. i hope you are clear... Swami Omkar Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta It was a pleasure to read your long note. I was a student of enginnering, and did study some statistical methods. I recollect we were running thes tests on concrete cube strengths, both field and laboratory cast. These tests apply to material scinces, although, a variation in operaters skill is invoved. You may not subscibe to the view held by Indian Astrologers, is that a Sciece, guided by some divine power within the person. Ruling Planet method wether you use the person Natve M00n or the Ruling planet Moon, is subject to this . It is said and proved, not in the statistal way, you wnat, that the RPS are a part of the native, and they repeat (not in same order) whenever an astrologer looks up his chart. This is some thing we have not been able to study, in extensive tests. But ask any old

asrologer, and he may confirm, if he has kept records. RP methods,especially, those involving Birth Rectification, and fixing time, have this factor of some uncertainty. So some Marathi Astrologers have devised a method, an extension of KP methods, where relianace on the RP is reduced, and not at all for fixing time when the event will occour. a -groups is formed to do research on the statistical lines. One study ahs been completed. These results will be published shortly. good luck Andrew Dutta <andrewinfinitum > wrote: Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the

moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting Research Scholar.Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is astrology.Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2 days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign professors, who know various research methods like Cluster Analysis, Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why

statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership in this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down' any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and astrolover

community is that we are always using dictums without any valid proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that Raichurji, Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by doing systematic research. God Bless them.After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like to share:1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place. Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child first cries after

breathing? This problem is equally valid for fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated charts may itself be wrong.2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time mutations. Things may

go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is: Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about the dictum.3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum is statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with different time

mutations.Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12 minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord. Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method which I would like to pose to all our forum members. If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all

these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is, Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such a case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it may also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar. Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and sublords?Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times, knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say that if I obtain the RP now and get the time

correction and then do it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time corrections be of the same magnitude and order??Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself from writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology is in my blood.Wish all of you very best.Andrew DuttaGood LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India

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Posted September 18, 2006 · September 18, 2006

Kanak ji/ Lajmi ji and Freinds,

I believe that RPs are fallible, at least the way it is explained by Shri KSK. I experimented numerous times with minor events and found good results. But I think that results were no where close to make it useful technique for predicting minor events. Birth Time Rectification is altogether is a different story and hence this statement may not be true for RBT, but unfortunately there is no approach to test its accuracy in case of RBT.

It can be blamed to my lack of understanding, incorrect way of application, lack of intuition, or not properly praying to the Ishta Devta. But I think the way it is explained by Shri KSK, is not sufficient for a KP student.

I believe that -

1. The most important part, as in Horary, is is the eagerness and curiosity. And the help from RP changes with the level of eagerness and curiosity.

2. Personally, I don't believe in theory of Ishta Devta, because I got it accurate quite a few times without praying to Ishta Devta.

3. Shri KSK was an amazing brain, both in terms of mathematical and analytical abilities. He could even predict using Kalidas Horary (1-108) and progression, so RP was not a big deal with him. However, I guess, he was internally applying all his knowledge while using RP rather than just using RP independently, the way he is explained in his books. For example his recalling ability of current transit and progression always helped him in predicting correctly.

It would be a good exercise to do a test of predicting minor events in this forum, if somebody would like to take the challenge.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On 9/18/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Dear Swami Onkar,

The Ruling Planets theorem,over time has come to become an axiom...!

Ruling Planets never fail,provided one makes an honest and sincere attempt,after praying to one's Ishta Devata...

Personally I have experimented with them umpteen numbers of time...when I used to send my peon to the bank to deposit checks every working day...and predict to my secretary the correct time of his return...and found them to be remarkably accurate indeed...

One particular instance I can never forget...As was my practise,I had cast a horary horoscope at the time...the s/l of XI Sat, was retrograde and posited in his own star at the TOJ,and the peon did not return...till suddenly there was the notorious Bomb Blast,almost opposite the Passport Office,very close to State Bank of India...he came to the office the next day,a shaken man...!

The above was a classic example of RPs at work...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

After the blast evrything around went into a panic mode and our peon " rushed home,in the face of the widespread rumours circulating around...

Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote:

Dear Dutta ji,

I am agree with swamiji and raichur ji.

RP is not as simple as you read in book.in general practise every one want to use RP but dont know how to use RP.

If you check some old mail you will found mail on RP wirten by Kuppuji . please read this mail your all doubt on RP will clear.

it is not adviseble to us RP any time . befor you start work with RP it is necessory to pray your istadevata or if you dont belive in god then pray to you parent specialy your mother and then only start to claculet RP.and only after this you will get result of RP. RP is not jst simple rules.

yes if you do all excersies by your hear you will found same result every times.

hope it help

swami omkar <swamiomkar (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Andrew Dutta,

This is very short mail only.becoz the person who entering in to the world of KP system they having millions of Q in thier mind. finaly they wil settle when the understand a " bit " about RP. becoz no one can understand RP 100%. but we can utilize the RP as much as possible. i think you are in track to find the utilisation of RP.

and i like to clear few Q which you asked in your posting.

1) if i checked 100 times then RP Moon and Birth ASC will connect same?

Answer : Yes. always it wil connect. after rectifiying time of birth then you want to check the connection between RP moon and Asc in several time (random time) then only you can be a master in RBT. if some other time u getting wrong answer then think the first time rectified way is wrong. As per my experiance when ever i am taking a horocope i wil check the connection then only i proced to prediction.

2) If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same

for more that 24 hours ?

Answer : RP Moon sub wil change with few hrs diffrence. so the Lagna sub also wil change. in my RBT technquie i am not telling that the RP moon is exactly same by birth Asc. both wil have connection via sub or star. so after few practice you wil be clear about it.

importent matter is every year april 14th in our orgaization we do a astrological awarness program. becoz that day sun enters 0 degree aries. our students wil give free predictions on that day to all.

in this program per hr more then 500 people wil come to ask at a time. our students will give answer through RP. not based on natal or horary. so we aready checked the power of RP. and we are still want to achive lot about RP.

we want to think why all people come in that perticluar time? why others not? then only we can know the exact meaning of RP. people who have connectivity about RP moon and Asc then they only come that moment. otherwsie they wil not come.

i hope you are clear...

Swami Omkar

Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

Dear Andrew Dutta

It was a pleasure to read your long note. I was a student of enginnering, and did study some statistical methods. I recollect we were running thes tests on concrete cube strengths, both field and laboratory cast. These tests apply to material scinces, although, a variation in operaters skill is invoved.

You may not subscibe to the view held by Indian Astrologers, is that a Sciece, guided by some divine power within the person.

Ruling Planet method wether you use the person Natve M00n or the Ruling planet Moon, is subject to this . It is said and proved, not in the statistal way, you wnat, that the RPS are a part of the native, and they repeat (not in same order) whenever an astrologer looks up his chart. This is some thing we have not been able to study, in extensive tests. But ask any old asrologer, and he may confirm, if he has kept records.

RP methods,especially, those involving Birth Rectification, and fixing time, have this factor of some uncertainty.

So some Marathi Astrologers have devised a method, an extension of

KP methods, where relianace on the RP is reduced, and not at all

for fixing time when the event will occour.

a -groups is formed to do research on the statistical lines. One study ahs been completed. These results will be published shortly.

good luck Andrew Dutta <andrewinfinitum > wrote:

Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting Research Scholar.

Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is astrology.Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2 days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign professors, who know various research methods like Cluster Analysis, Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership in this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down' any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and astrolover community is that we are always using dictums without any valid proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that Raichurji, Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by doing systematic research. God Bless them.After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like to share:1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place. Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated charts may itself be wrong.

2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is: Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about the dictum.3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating

charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum is statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with different time mutations.Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12 minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord. Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method which I would like to pose to all our forum members. If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is, Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such a case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it may also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar. Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and sublords?Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times, knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say that if I obtain the RP now and get the time correction and then do it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time corrections be of the same magnitude and order??

Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself from writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology

is in my blood.Wish all of you very best.Andrew Dutta Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609

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Posted September 18, 2006 · September 18, 2006

Dear Punit ji, My reply in Bold****************Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Kanak ji/ Lajmi ji and Freinds, I believe that RPs are fallible, at least the way it is explained by Shri KSK. I experimented numerous times with minor events and found good results. But I think that results were no where close to make it useful technique for predicting minor events. Birth Time Rectification is altogether is a different story and hence this

statement may not be true for RBT, but unfortunately there is no approach to test its accuracy in case of RBT. Kanak: yes you can test RBT theory with RP. Like i do rectifiction of Indira Gandhi in our group. Tin Win ji not setisfied with givan time bcoz when she bcome PM last time In SAT Dasa and this dasa cnat indicate why she bcome PN. but after Rectifed time chart show clearly why she bcoem PM in SAT dasa I think this is the big proff of accuracy.i am also try on Tony Blair's time but i am waiting for Tin win ji's setisfection mail, after that i will mail in group with full detial how do rectification. It can be blamed to my lack of understanding, incorrect way of application, lack of intuition, or not properly praying to the Ishta Devta. But I think the way it is explained by Shri KSK, is not sufficient for a KP student. I believe that - 1. The most important part, as in Horary, is is the eagerness and curiosity. And the help from RP changes with the level of eagerness and curiosity. kanak: you are 100% correct.without eagerness RP Never work. 2. Personally, I don't believe in theory of Ishta Devta, because I got it accurate quite a few times without praying to Ishta Devta. Kanak: Reply is in no: 1 eagerness , to insist for Istadevata is to creat more eagerness in native or astrologer nothing els. so if you are very eager to know result and use RP then you not need Prayer of Istadevata. and we never fergot that this is not only science but this is a Divine Science , many are learn KP , we all are read same book swhy all not bcome Lajimi ji or Raichur ji? without blessing of

God or our parents we cant do anything , this is my personal belief, not a topic of discussion. so it is better to leav for individual. 3. Shri KSK was an amazing brain, both in terms of mathematical and analytical abilities. He could even predict using Kalidas Horary (1-108) and progression, so RP was not a big deal with him. However, I guess, he was internally applying all his knowledge while using RP rather than just using RP independently, the way he is explained in his books. For example his recalling ability of current transit and progression always helped him in predicting correctly. Kanak: i am totaly agree with you. If we use solar return( i anlys how our india's chart show Indira Gandhi's Death from Solar return chart in this group)I also think that Progression chart is usefull us in pinpoint event but not mutch in KP Books.but still i am

work on it i am also intrested in TP chart too .but god creat only 24 hrs in a day and i have to do my other duty too, but at this stage i only say you that i am doing on this subject . It would be a good exercise to do a test of predicting minor events in this forum, if somebody would like to take the challenge. Kanak: many time i am pridict from RP and come true in same group. and other group too, but you cnat look for 100% result , Not in Kp but not in any other system. recently i rpidict from RP about PC reparing, PC Not come but native got news about PC same day which was pridicted. We have to continue our try on this subject and pridict base on RP to lear more. whenh i will got

chance i will definetly try this. Regards Kanak Bosmia Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 9/18/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Swami Onkar, The Ruling Planets theorem,over time has come to become an

axiom...! Ruling Planets never fail,provided one makes an honest and sincere attempt,after praying to one's Ishta Devata... Personally I have experimented with them umpteen numbers of time...when I used to send my peon to the bank to deposit checks every working day...and predict to my secretary the correct time of his return...and found them to be remarkably accurate indeed...

One particular instance I can never forget...As was my practise,I had cast a horary horoscope at the time...the s/l of XI Sat, was retrograde and posited in his own star at the TOJ,and the peon did not return...till suddenly there was the notorious Bomb Blast,almost opposite the Passport Office,very close to State Bank of India...he came to the office the next day,a shaken man...! The above was a classic example of RPs at work... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. After the blast evrything around went into a panic mode and our peon "rushed home,in the face of the widespread rumours circulating around... Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear Dutta ji, I am agree with swamiji and raichur ji. RP is not as simple

as you read in book.in general practise every one want to use RP but dont know how to use RP. If you check some old mail you will found mail on RP wirten by Kuppuji . please read this mail your all doubt on RP will clear. it is not adviseble to us RP any time . befor you start work with RP it is necessory to pray your istadevata or if you dont belive in god then pray to you parent specialy your mother and then only start to claculet RP.and only after this you will get result of RP. RP is not jst simple rules. yes if you do all excersies by your hear you will found same result every times. hope it help swami omkar <swamiomkar (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta, This is very short mail only.becoz the person who entering in to the world of KP system they having millions of Q in thier mind. finaly they wil settle when the understand a "bit" about RP. becoz no one can understand RP 100%. but we can utilize the RP as much as possible. i think you are in track to find the utilisation of RP. and i like to clear few Q which you asked in your posting. 1) if i checked 100 times then RP Moon and Birth ASC will connect same? Answer : Yes. always it wil connect. after rectifiying time of birth then you want to check the connection between RP moon and Asc in several time (random time) then only you can be a master in RBT. if some other time u getting wrong answer then think the first time rectified way is wrong. As per my experiance when ever i am taking a horocope i wil

check the connection then only i proced to prediction. 2) If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours ? Answer : RP Moon sub wil change with few hrs diffrence. so the Lagna sub also wil change. in my RBT technquie i am not telling that the RP moon is exactly same by birth Asc. both wil have connection via sub or star. so after few practice you wil be clear about it. importent matter is every year april 14th in our orgaization we do a astrological awarness program. becoz that day sun enters 0 degree aries. our students wil give free predictions on that day to all. in this program per hr more then 500 people wil come to ask at a time. our students will give answer through RP.

not based on natal or horary. so we aready checked the power of RP. and we are still want to achive lot about RP. we want to think why all people come in that perticluar time? why others not? then only we can know the exact meaning of RP. people who have connectivity about RP moon and Asc then they only come that moment. otherwsie they wil not come. i hope you are clear... Swami Omkar Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta It was a pleasure to read your long note. I was a student of enginnering, and did study some statistical methods. I recollect we were running thes tests on concrete cube strengths, both field and laboratory cast. These tests apply to material scinces, although, a

variation in operaters skill is invoved. You may not subscibe to the view held by Indian Astrologers, is that a Sciece, guided by some divine power within the person. Ruling Planet method wether you use the person Natve M00n or the Ruling planet Moon, is subject to this . It is said and proved, not in the statistal way, you wnat, that the RPS are a part of the native, and they repeat (not in same order) whenever an astrologer looks up his chart. This is some thing we have not been able to study, in extensive tests. But ask any old asrologer, and he may confirm, if he has kept records. RP methods,especially, those involving Birth Rectification, and fixing time, have this factor of some uncertainty. So some Marathi Astrologers have devised a method, an extension of KP methods, where relianace on the RP is reduced, and not at all

for fixing time when the event will occour. a -groups is formed to do research on the statistical lines. One study ahs been completed. These results will be published shortly. good luck Andrew Dutta <andrewinfinitum > wrote: Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my doctoral degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting Research Scholar. Apart from

breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is astrology.Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2 days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign professors, who know various research methods like Cluster Analysis, Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about doing statistically valid research, which would stand the test of true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?My wrong notion came to an

end when I was allowed the membership in this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down' any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and astrolover community is that we are always using dictums without any valid proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that Raichurji, Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by doing systematic research. God Bless

them.After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like to share:1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place. Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the doctor or the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated charts may itself be wrong. 2. Even if we assume that the

AA rated charts are correct and make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is: Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of the result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about the dictum.3. The solution to the above problem may

lie in isolating charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum is statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with different time mutations.Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close friend of mine. It was miraculous. His BT was rectified by 12 minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly reflective of his life or

not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord. Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method which I would like to pose to all our forum members. If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is, Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In such a case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the same starlords in their ascendants? Within

a short time span, it may also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar. Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and sublords?Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times, knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say that if I obtain the RP now and get the time correction and then do it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time corrections be of the same magnitude and order?? Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I have written a very lengthy email. But I could not stop myself from writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology is in my blood.Wish

all of you very best.Andrew Dutta Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying

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Posted September 18, 2006 · September 18, 2006

Dear L.Y Raoji, I am always like to read your posting in many forum. becoz that gives more confidence in our system. and for new people in forum your posting only the boost! in your posting you told that you always give accurate time for your peon's retrun timing from bank. if you explain that method as a student i am also very much intrested to learn that theory. i hope this also intrested on for others too. Swami Omkar www.pranavapeetam.orgYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Swami Onkar, The Ruling Planets theorem,over time has come to become an axiom...! Ruling Planets never fail,provided one makes an honest and sincere attempt,after praying to one's Ishta Devata... Personally I have experimented with them umpteen numbers of time...when I used to

send my peon to the bank to deposit checks every working day...and predict to my secretary the correct time of his return...and found them to be remarkably accurate indeed... One particular instance I can never forget...As was my practise,I had cast a horary horoscope at the time...the s/l of XI Sat, was retrograde and posited in his own star at the TOJ,and the peon did not return...till suddenly there was the notorious Bomb Blast,almost opposite the Passport Office,very close to State Bank of India...he came to the office the next day,a shaken man...! The

above was a classic example of RPs at work... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. After the blast evrything around went into a panic mode and our peon "rushed home,in the face of the widespread rumours circulating around...Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear

Dutta ji, I am agree with swamiji and raichur ji. RP is not as simple as you read in book.in general practise every one want to use RP but dont know how to use RP. If you check some old mail you will found mail on RP wirten by Kuppuji . please read this mail your all doubt on RP will clear. it is not adviseble to us RP any time . befor you start work with RP it is necessory to pray your istadevata or if you dont belive in god then pray to you parent specialy your mother and then only start to claculet RP.and only after this you will get result of RP. RP is not jst simple rules. yes if you do all excersies by your hear you will found same result every times. hope it help swami omkar <swamiomkar (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta, This is very short mail only.becoz the person who entering in to the world of KP system they having millions of Q in thier mind. finaly they wil settle when the understand a "bit" about RP. becoz no one can understand RP 100%. but we can utilize the RP as much as possible. i think you are in track to find the utilisation of RP. and i like to clear few Q which you asked in your posting. 1) if i checked 100 times then RP Moon and Birth ASC will connect same? Answer : Yes. always it wil connect. after rectifiying time of birth then you want to check the connection between RP moon and Asc in several time (random time) then only you can be a master in RBT. if some other time u getting wrong answer then

think the first time rectified way is wrong. As per my experiance when ever i am taking a horocope i wil check the connection then only i proced to prediction. 2) If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours ? Answer : RP Moon sub wil change with few hrs diffrence. so the Lagna sub also wil change. in my RBT technquie i am not telling that the RP moon is exactly same by birth Asc. both wil have connection via sub or star. so after few practice you wil be clear about it. importent matter is every year april 14th in our orgaization we do a astrological awarness program. becoz that day sun enters 0 degree aries. our students wil give free predictions on that day to all. in this

program per hr more then 500 people wil come to ask at a time. our students will give answer through RP. not based on natal or horary. so we aready checked the power of RP. and we are still want to achive lot about RP. we want to think why all people come in that perticluar time? why others not? then only we can know the exact meaning of RP. people who have connectivity about RP moon and Asc then they only come that moment. otherwsie they wil not come. i hope you are clear... Swami Omkar Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Andrew Dutta It was a pleasure to read your long note. I was a student of enginnering, and did study some statistical methods. I recollect we were running thes tests on

concrete cube strengths, both field and laboratory cast. These tests apply to material scinces, although, a variation in operaters skill is invoved. You may not subscibe to the view held by Indian Astrologers, is that a Sciece, guided by some divine power within the person. Ruling Planet method wether you use the person Natve M00n or the Ruling planet Moon, is subject to this . It is said and proved, not in the statistal way, you wnat, that the RPS are a part of the native, and they repeat (not in same order) whenever an astrologer looks up his chart. This is some thing we have not been able to study, in extensive tests. But ask any old asrologer, and he may confirm, if he has kept records. RP methods,especially, those involving Birth Rectification, and fixing time, have this factor of some uncertainty. So some Marathi Astrologers have

devised a method, an extension of KP methods, where relianace on the RP is reduced, and not at all for fixing time when the event will occour. a -groups is formed to do research on the statistical lines. One study ahs been completed. These results will be published shortly. good luck Andrew Dutta <andrewinfinitum > wrote: Dear Rangarajanji and all my respected fellow members,I am a new comer in this forum and I would like to thank the moderator of this forum for giving me such a beautiful chance to interact with all these brilliant group members. To introduce myself, I am currently a faculty at IBS, Hyderabad. I am trained as a management researcher and I am currently pursuing my

doctoral degree. I was in Bentley College, Boston in 2004-05 as a Visiting Research Scholar.Apart from breathing air, the second thing that I breathe is astrology.Let me confess one thing very frankly to my group members. Till 2 days ago, I was under the impression that serious, statistically valid research on astrological `dictums' are not carried on by astrologers or astrolovers. They are done by some foreign professors, who know various research methods like Cluster Analysis, Conjoint Analysis, Regression Analysis very well but have no knowledge in astrology. Their knowledge ends after the thirty degrees of each zodiac sign. I always felt sad thinking why statistically reliable and valid studies are not carried on by our Indian astrologers? Is it that our astrologically knowledgeable friends do not have the requisite know-how on how to really go about doing statistically valid research, which would

stand the test of true science: verifiability and falsifiability (Thomas Kuhn)?My wrong notion came to an end when I was allowed the membership in this group. I was awestruck when I read the articles by Rangarajan ji of Man Machine systems. I would like to specially thank Rangarajanji, for the superb statistical analyses he is doing on various charts regarding BRT. As a trained person in quantitative and qualitative research methodology myself, I have found his research output to be too good. He did not allow us to `gulp down' any dictum without testing it mathematically through his computer program. One of the biggest problem of the astrologer and astrolover community is that we are always using dictums without any valid proof of its efficacy. Though this may require tracking many life events over time for a large cross-section of individuals, the initiative is highly lacking. I am overjoyed to find that

Raichurji, Ranagrajanji are doing a yeoman service to this noble science by doing systematic research. God Bless them.After reading all the articles in the Files of our group regarding BRT by Rangarajanji, few thoughts came in my mind which I would like to share:1. We are assuming `a priori' that the AA rated charts are having the correct birth time. But this may not be true. The people who have noted the birth times (usually the parents or the relatives) may not know what is meant by `birth' in the first place. Is it the time when the head is seen first or is it the time when the umbilical chord is severed? Or is it the time when the child first cries after breathing? This problem is equally valid for fathers in US who are allowed to remain in the labor room of their wives. The problem of correct BT time assumes a significant proportion in countries like India where you totally depend upon the doctor or

the nurse to note down the BT for you. So, the AA rated charts may itself be wrong.2. Even if we assume that the AA rated charts are correct and make time mutations (kudos to Rangarajan and Raichurji for this innovation in research method), are we allowing sufficient adjustments in our computer programming to capture the uneven distribution of stars in signs and subs in stars? In other words, a time mutation of plus minus 5 minutes may have a different impact for a sun sub in mars star in the birth Asc compared to a same mutation for a venus sub in a Saturn star in birth Asc. This may alter the ratios of acceptance or rejection for various time mutations. Things may go awry at the sub-sub level. The question is: Is it right to keep the same time mutation (say 5 or 10 mins) and apply it across all the 100 or 200 charts? The birth star and sub may be different. This will severely limit the internal validity of the

result and we may not be a position to make a conclusion about the dictum.3. The solution to the above problem may lie in isolating charts having the same sign rising and then test the dictum with different time mutations. In this case we would have 12 sets of test for the same dictum but with different time mutations. The mean of 12 passes and the mean of 12 fails tested through a `z' or `t' test may give actual statistical confirmation as to whether the dictum is statistically significant. A finer and deeper analysis and improvisation would be to analyze the dictum by isolating charts based of the rising star. In this case, we would have 27 sets with different time mutations.Yesterday, I read the message of Swami Omkar ji and Raghunathji about using Moon RP connection with Asc. It is no doubt marvelous and to test it, I immediately used this principle for a very close friend of mine. It was miraculous. His

BT was rectified by 12 minutes plus few seconds ahead and to see whether this was truly reflective of his life or not, I looked at his 7th cusp sublord. Just as I had expected, it was Mercury, retro, strongly signifying 6th and his sign dispositor Venus in a dual sign. My friend just received his Divorce verdict from a Court in Bangalore after 5 years of love affair and 5 years of married life with his lover.But then a question came to mind regarding this wonderful method which I would like to pose to all our forum members. If an astrologer is servicing clients in his chamber and 5 people come to him in an hour, wouldn't that mean that the RP moon sign lord for all these 5 clients will be the same. In fact it would same for more that 24 hours. The RP Moon star lord would also remain the same during this one hour, depending on which star it is (that is, Sun star or Venus star). The sub may or may not vary also. In

such a case, is it right to assume that all the 5 clients will have the same starlords in their ascendants? Within a short time span, it may also mean that atleast 2 clients must have their sublords similar. Isn't this very unrealistic? Why should I assume that all people coming to me in the next one hour would have the same star lords and sublords?Another thought that came into my mind is that will the Asc and RP moon always coincide? In other words, will it yield the same result if I run the test on the same chart randomly at 100 different times, knowing fairly well that RPs will keep on changing? That is to say that if I obtain the RP now and get the time correction and then do it again tomorrow and the next day and the other, will the time corrections be of the same magnitude and order??Dear Rangarajanji and others, for the first mail in this forum, I have written a very lengthy email. But I could not

stop myself from writing this because I am too excited about this forum and astrology is in my blood.Wish all of you very best.Andrew DuttaGood LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying << Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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Posted September 18, 2006 · September 18, 2006

Dear Punit, You have every right to trust your own experience...and beliefs... I urge you to try Rectification of Birthtime,as recommended by the late Mr.M.P.Shanmugham...matching upto sub level,for births within 30 minutes + or -, the "actual" TOB... For larger differences the Ruling Planets are recommended... No science is 100% correct,all the time... Personally,I am happy with my present success-rate of 90% +... I also firmly believe in intuition...which can be cultivated by strengthening one's powers of concentration and meditation... You are right,our revered Guruji,KSK,had tremendous powers of intuition...in addition to an uncanny prowess at speedy mathematical calculations..mostly mentally...and often gave "instant predictions"...when queried repeatedly,by us students,as to how...his answer,surprisingly was Ruling Planets...and intuition...! A lot of our beliefs and confidence in a particular theory or method,are born

out of one's experience...and the success-rate,at the end of the day,determines its regularity of usage... That,Punit, is my opinion... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Kanak ji/ Lajmi ji and Freinds, I believe that RPs are fallible, at least the way it is explained by Shri KSK. I experimented numerous times with minor events and found good results. But I think that results were no where close to make it useful technique for predicting minor events. Birth Time Rectification is altogether is a different story and hence this statement may not be true for RBT, but unfortunately there is no approach to test its accuracy in case of RBT. It can be blamed to my lack of understanding, incorrect way of application, lack of intuition, or not properly praying to

the Ishta Devta. But I think the way it is explained by Shri KSK, is not sufficient for a KP student. I believe that - 1. The most important part, as in Horary, is is the eagerness and curiosity. And the help from RP changes with the level of eagerness and curiosity. 2. Personally, I don't believe in theory of Ishta Devta, because I got it accurate quite a few times without praying to Ishta Devta. 3. Shri KSK was an amazing brain, both in terms of mathematical and analytical abilities. He could even predict using Kalidas Horary (1-108) and progression, so RP was not a big deal with him. However, I guess, he was internally applying all his knowledge while using RP rather than just using RP independently, the way he is explained in his books. For example his recalling ability of current transit and progression always helped him in predicting correctly.

It would be a good exercise to do a test of predicting minor events in this forum, if somebody would like to take the challenge. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 9/18/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Swami Onkar, The Ruling Planets theorem,over time has come to become an axiom...! Ruling Planets never fail,provided one makes an honest and sincere attempt,after praying to one's Ishta Devata... Personally I have experimented with them umpteen numbers of time...when I used to send my peon to the bank to deposit checks every working day...and predict to my secretary the correct time of his return...and found them to be remarkably accurate indeed... One particular instance I

can never forget...As was my practise,I had cast a horary horoscope at the time...the s/l of XI Sat, was retrograde and posited in his own star at the TOJ,and the peon did not return...till suddenly there was the notorious Bomb Blast,almost opposite the Passport Office,very close to State Bank of India...he came to the office the next day,a shaken man...! The above was a classic example of RPs at work... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. After the blast evrything around went into a panic mode and our peon "rushed home,in the face of the widespread rumours circulating around... Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear Dutta ji, I am agree with swamiji and raichur ji. RP is not as simple