Hillary Clinton’s Controversial TOB and Timeline --- ANALYSIS

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For your valuable comments to help learning KP below is an analysis

of Hillary Clinton's Chart.

 

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ANALYSIS OF HIILARY CLINTON'S CHART

 

1. CONFLICTING TOBs

 

1.1. On the basis of the all round searched information given below

(Msg#9031) there are mainly two conflicting TOBs (AstroDatabank

Rodden Rating / Source: DD / Conflicting/unverified):

 

a) 8 PM widely used since long ago; and

b) 8 AM advocated later.

 

1.2. This is not a case of NOON chart for an unknown TOB like J.K.

Rowling (Date w/o time, AstroDatabank Rodden Rating D) and so no

trace at all in the searched information below.

 

1.3. Therefore, a parallel analysis is done for both TOBs of 8 PM

and 8 AM.

 

2. BASIC CHARTS

 

2.1. Hillary Clinton, Oct 26, 1947, 8:00 " PM " (+6), Chicago, IL, US,

41N51, 87W39, KPAstro 2.5--> New KPA 23:02:18, Saturn dasa balance

14y:11m:22d, Asc Ge 06:46:50, Moon Pi 06:09:19

 

2.2. All birth details are the same except TOB 8:00 " AM " , KPAstro

2.5 --> Jupiter dasa balance 4y:2m:26d, Asc Li 28:42:04, Moon Aq

29:48:02.

 

3. FITTING OF MAJOR EVENTS WITH DBAS

 

3.1. 11-10-1975 marriage to Bill

 

3.1.1. TOB 8 " PM " , DBAS MER-JUP-MER-SAT (marriage to Bill)

 

3.1.1.1. Dasa and Anthra lord MER is in the star of of JUP and sub

of VEN.

MER is in 6 l/o 1,2,5. JUP is in 6 l/o 7,8,11. VEN is in 5 l/o 6.

(VEN is a sublord of 6 and no planet is in the star of VEN.)

 

3.1.1.2. Bhukti lord JUP is in the star of SAT and sub of KET.

JUP is in 6 l/o 7,8,11. SAT is in 3 l/o 9,10. Ket is in 6. (KET is

conj. with and in the star of JUP in 6 l/o 7,8,11.)

 

3.1.1.3. Sookshma lord SAT is in the star of MER and sub of own SAT.

SAT is in 3 l/o 9,10. MER is in 6 l/o 1,2,5. SAT is in 3 l/o 9,10.

 

3.1.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS MER-VEN-RAH-VEN (marriage to Bill)

 

3.1.2.1. Dasa lord MER is in the star of JUP and sub of VEN.

MER is in 12 l/o 11. JUP is in 1 l/o 5. VEN is in 12 l/o 1,8,12.

(VEN is a sublord of 1st and no planet is in the star of VEN.)

 

3.1.2.2. Bhukti and Sookshma lord VEN is in the star of JUP and sub

of SAT.

VEN is in 12 l/o 1,8,12. JUP is in 1 l/o 5. SAT is in 9 l/o 3,4.

 

3.1.2.3. Anthra lord RAH is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP.

RAH is in 7. (RAH is aspected by JUP in 1 l/o 5.) SUN is in 12 l/o

10. JUP is in 1 l/o 5.

 

3.1.3. In my opinion TOB 8 PM is better fit than TOB 8 AM.

 

3.2. 26-02-1980 Chelsea born

 

3.2.1. TOB 8 " PM " , DBAS KET-KET-MER-MER (Chelsea born)

 

 

3.2.1.1. Dasa and Bhukti lord KET is in the star of JUP and sub of

MAR.

KET is in 6. (KET is conj. with JUP in 6 l/o 7,8,11.) (KET is a

sublod of 2,8 and no planet is in the star of KET.) JUP is in 6 l/o

7,8,11. MAR is in 3 l/o 12.

 

3.2.1.2. Anthra and Sookshma lord MER is discussed in 3.1.1.1.

 

3.2.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS MER-MAR-MER-JUP (Chelsea born)

 

3.2.2.1. Dasa and Anthra lord MER is discussed in 3.1.2.1.

 

3.2.2.2. Bhukti lord MAR is in the star of MER and sub of VEN.

MAR is in 9 l/o 2,6,7. MER is in 12 l/o 11. VEN is in 12 l/o 1,8,12.

 

3.2.2.3. Sookshma lord JUP is in the star of SAT and sub of KET.

JUP is in 1 l/o 5. SAT in 9 l/o 3,4. KET is in 1. (KET is conj. with

and in the star of JUP in 1 l/o 5.)

 

3.2.3. In my opinion TOB 8 PM is better fit.

 

3.3. 20-01-1993 became first lady

 

3.3.1. TOB 8:00 " PM " , DBAS VEN-MAR-JUP-JUP (became first lady)

 

3.3.1.1. Dasa lord VEN is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT.

VEN is in 5* l/o 6. (VEN is a sublord of 6 and no planet is in the

star of VEN.) JUP is in 6 l/o 7,8,11. SAT is in 3 l/o 9,10.

* 6th effect may be expected since VEN is within 03:44:46 (< 03:33)

to 6th cusp.

 

3.3.1.2. Bhukti lord MAR is in the star of MER and sub of VEN.

MAR is in 3 l/o 12. MER is in 6 l/o 1,2,5. VEN is in 5 l/o 6. (VEN

is a sublord of 6 and no planet is in the star of VEN.)

 

3.3.1.3. Anthra and Sookshma lord JUP is discussed in 3.1.1.2.

 

3.3.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS KET-SAT-SAT-SUN (became first lady)

 

3.3.2.1. Dasa lord KET is in the star of JUP and sub of MAR.

KET is in 1. (KET is conj. wth JUP in 1 l/o 5 and signlord MAR is in

9 l/o 2,6,7.) JUP is in 1 l/o 5. MAR is in 9 l/o 2,6,7.

 

3.3.2.2. Bhukti and Anthra lord SAT is in the star of MER and sub of

own SAT.

SAT is in 9 l/o 3,4. MER is in 12 l/o 11. SAT is in 9 l/o 3,4.

 

3.3.2.3. Sookshma lord SUN is in the star of RAH and sub of JUP.

SUN is in 12 l/o 10. RAH is in 7. (RAH is aspected by JUP in 1 l/o 5

and signlord VEN is in 12 l/o 1,8,12.) JUP is in 1 l/o 5.

 

3.3.3. TOB 8 PM is much better fit.

 

3.4. 07-04-1993 death of father (Chart is rotated to 9th as Asc.)

 

3.4.1. TOB 8 " PM " , DBAS VEN-MAR-SAT-VEN (death of father)

 

3.4.1.1. Dasa and Sookshama lord VEN is in the star of JUP and sub

of SAT.

VEN is in 9 l/o 10 (retirement from this world or life*). JUP is in

10 l/o 11 (Badhaka),12 Moksha/ 12 to Asc),3. SAT is in 7 (Maraka)

l/o 1,2 (Maraka).

* a) KP READER VI, 1978, page 120; b) K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi: KP &

ASTRLOGY, Year Book 2001 page 49 (Twin Births Proves That K.P.

System is The Only System Useful in Predictive Astrology); c) K.

Hariharan: LONGEVITY,1997, page 79.

 

3.4.1.2. Bhukti lord MAR is in the star of MER and sub of VEN.

MAR is in 7 l/o 4. MER is in 10 l/o 5,6,9. VEN is in 9 l/o 10. (VEN

is a sublord of 10 and no planet is in the star of VEN.)

 

3.4.1.3. Anthra lord SAT is in the star of MER and sub of own SAT.

SAT is in 7 l/o 1,2. MER is 10 l/o 5,6,9. SAT is in 7 l/o 1,2.

 

3.4.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS KET-SAT-MER-JUP (death of father)

 

3.4.2.1. Dasa lord KET is the star of JUP and sub of MAR.

KET is in 1. (KET is conj. with JUP in 1 l/o 5.) JUP is in 1 l/o 5.

MAR is in 9 l/o 2,6,7. (MAR is a sublord of 7 and no planet is in

the star of MAR.)

 

3.4.2.2. Bhukti lord SAT is in the star of MER and sub of own SAT

SAT is in 9 l/o 3,4. MER is in 12 l/o 11. SAT is in 9 l/o 3,4.

 

3.4.2.3. Anthra lord MER is in the star of JUP and sub of VEN.

MER is in 12 l/o 11. JUP is in 1 l/o 5. VEN is in 12 l/o 1,8,12.

(VEN is a sublord of 1 and no planet is in the star of VEN.)

 

3.4.2.4. Sookshma lord JUP is in the star of SAT and sub of KET.

JUP is in 1 l/o 5. SAT is in 9 l/o 3,4. KET is in 1. (KET is conj.

with JUP in 1 l/o 5.)

 

3.4.3. TOB 8 PM is deadlier than TOB 8 AM.

 

3.5. 20-01-1997 2nd time first lady

 

3.5.1. TOB 8 " PM " , DBAS VEN-JUP-JUP-SAT (2nd time first lady)

 

3.5.1.1. Dasa lord VEN is discussed in 3.3.1.1.

 

3.5.1.2. Bhukti and Anthra lord JUP is discussed in 3.1.1.2.

 

3.5.1.3. Sookshma lord SAT is discussed in 3.1.1.3.

 

3.5.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS VEN-VEN-JUP-SUN (2nd time first lady)

 

3.5.2.1. Dasa and Bhukti lord VEN is discussed in 3.1.2.2.

 

3.5.2.2. Anthra lord JUP is discussed in 3.2.2.3.

 

3.5.2.3. Sookshma lord SUN is discussed in 3.3.2.3.

 

3.5.3. TOB 8 PM is better fit.

 

3.6. 13-02-1999 Bill acquitted by Senate

 

3.6.1. TOB 8 " PM " , DBAS VEN-JUP-MAR-JUP (Bill acquitted by Senate)

 

3.6.1.1. Dasa lord VEN is discussed in 3.3.1.1.

 

3.6.1.2. Bhukti and Sookshma lord JUP is discussed in 3.1.1.2.

 

3.6.1.3. Anthra lord MAR is discussed in 3.3.1.2.

 

3.6.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS VEN-SUN-MER-RAH (Bill acquitted by Senate)

 

3.6.2.1. Dasa lord VEN is discussed in 3.1.2.2.

 

3.6.2.2. Bhukti lord SUN is discussed in 3.3.2.3.

 

3.6.2.3. Anthra MER is discussed 3.1.2.1.

 

3.6.2.4. Sookshma lord RAH is discussed in 3.1.2.3.

 

3.6.3. TOB 8 PM not 8 AM saved her from being thrown out from the

Whit House.

 

3.7. 07-11-2000 Senator elect

 

3.7.1. TOB 8 " PM " , DBAS VEN-SAT-VEN-VEN (Senator elect)

 

3.7.1.1. Dasa, Anthra and Sookshma lord VEN is discussed in 3.3.1.1.

 

3.7.1.2. Bhukti lord SAT is discussed in 3.1.1.3.

 

3.7.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS VEN-MOO-VEN-JUP (Senator elect)

 

3.7.2.1. Dasa and Anthra lord VEN is discussed in 3.1.2.2.

 

3.7.2.2. Bhukti lord MOO is in the star of JUP and sub of own MOO.

MOO is in 4 l/o 9. JUP is in 1 l/o 5. MOO is in 4 l/o 9.

 

3.7.2.3. Sookshma lord JUP is discussed in 3.2.2.3.

 

3.8. 05-03-2006 Honorary Doctorat

 

3.8.1. TOB 8 " PM " , VEN-KET-RAH-SAT (Honorary Doctorate)

 

3.8.1.1. Dasa lord VEN is discussed in 3.3.1.1.

 

3.8.1.2. Bhukti lord KET is discussed in 3.2.1.1.

 

3.8.1.3. Anthra lord RAH is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP.

RAH is in 12. (RAH is aspected by JUP in 6 l/o 7,8,11 and signlord

VEN in 5 l/o 6. (VEN is a sublord of 6 and no planet is in the star

of VEN.) SUN is in 5 l/o 4. JUP is in 6 l/o 7,8,11.

 

3.8.1.4. Sookshma lord SAT is discussed in 3.1.1.3.

 

3.8.2. TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS VEN-JUP-MER-MOO (Honorary Doctorate)

 

3.8.2.1. Dasa lord VEN is discussed in 3.1.2.2.

 

3.8.2.2. Bhukti lord JUP is discussed in 3.2.2.3.

 

3.8.2.3. Anthra lord MER is discussed in 3.1.2.1.

 

3.8.2.4. Sookshma lord MOO is discussed in 37.2.2.

 

3.8.3. Only TOB 8 PM not 8 AM can give such kind of honor.

 

3.9. Findings

 

3.9.1. In all eight major events TOB 8 PM is better fit than 8 AM.

 

3.9.2. Moreover, only VEN dasa of TOB 8 PM, not 8 AM, has made her

crowned with all kind of successes and so TOB 8 PM is supposed to be

an appropriate one.

 

4. FUTURE AHEAD

 

4.1. 18 Oct 2007 to 6 Aug 2007: DB SUN-SUN to SUN-MOO as per TOB 8

PM Primaries for nomination of presidential candidate

 

4.1.1. Dasa and Bhukti lord SUN is in the star of RAH and sub of JUP.

SUN is in 5 l/o 4. RAH is in 12. (RAH is aspected by JUP in 6 l/o

7,8,11 and signlord VEN in 5 l/o 6. (VEN is a sublord of 6 and no

planet is in the star of VEN.) JUP is in 6 l/o 7,8,11.

 

4.1.2. Bhukti lord MOO is in the star of SAT and sub of MER.

MOO is in 10 l/o 3. (MOO is a sublord of 12 and no planet is in the

star of MOO.) SAT is in 3 l/o 9,10.MER is in 6 l/o 1,2,5.

 

4.1.3. Chances in primaries may be better in DB SUN-MOO than SUN-

SUN. Even though starlord JUP is favorable, SUN planet itself is

unfavorable and starlord RAH may go both ways and so SUN may not be

taken favorable. MOON is favorable but 12th indication in both SUN

and MOO and any of them has not shown up in her previous success

stories. It may not be so sure to be nominated for a presidential

candidate at that time.

 

4.2. 02-11-2008 coming presidential election day

(Usually the results will be known after midnight of the same day

to dawn of the following day.)

 

4.2.1. Assuming the nomination of presidential candidate, TOB

8 " PM " , DBAS SUN-RAHU-MAR-VEN (coming presidential election day)

 

4.2.1.1.. Dasa lord SUN is discussed in 4.1.1.

 

4.2.1.2. Bhukti lord RAH is discussed in 3.8.1.3.

 

4.2.1.3. Anthra lord MAR is discussed in 3.3.1.2.

 

4.2.1.4. Sookshma lord VEN is discussed in 3.3.1.1.

 

4.3. As discussed in 4.1.3. , SUN-RAH DB may not be strong enough to

be elected at that time in the male dominated politics even though

there is some hope. As per TOB 8 AM no hope at all as below.

 

4.4.TOB 8 " AM " , DBAS VEN-SAT-KET-KET (coming presidential election

day)

 

4.4.1.. Dasa lord VEN is discussed in 3.1.2.2.

 

4.4.2. Bhukti lord SAT is discussed in 3.3.2.2.

 

4.4.3. Anthra and Sookshma lord KET is in the star of JUP and sub of

MAR.

KET is in 1. (KET is conj. with JUP in 1 l/o 5 and signlord Mar in 9

l/o 2,6,7.) JUP is in 1 l/o 5. MAR is in 9 l/o 2,6,7. (MAR is a

sublord of 7 and no planet in the star of MAR.)

 

5. There may be better chances in 2012 presidential election because

she will be running favorable DB SUN-VEN at the time of primaries

and DBA MOO-MOO-MOO at the time of election.

 

6. BILL'S FACTOR

 

6.1. Bill Clinton, Aug 19, 1946, 08:51 AM (+6), Hope, AK, US,

KPAstro --- New KPA 23:01:19, Sun dasa balance 5y:8m:20d; Asc Vi

12:29:16, Moon Ar 27:16:57

 

6.2. He will be running DB SAT-MER from 12-05-2006 to 20-01-2009,

then SAT-KET and SAT-VEN at the time 2012 presidential election.

 

6.3.1. Dasa lord SAT is in the own star of SAT and sub of VEN.

SAT in 10 l/o 5,6. VEN is in 1 l/o 2,9. (VEN is a sublord of 6 and

no planet in the star of VEN.)

 

6.3.2. Bhukti lod MER is in the star of SAT and sub of RAH.

MER is 10 l/o 1,10. SAT in 10 l/o 5,6. Rah is in 9. (Signlord VEN

is in 1 l/o 2,9. RAH is a sublord of 1st and no planet is in the

star of RAH.)

 

6.3.3. Bhukti lord KET is in the star of MER and sub of RAH.

KET is 3. (Signlord MAR is in 1 l/o 3,8.) MER is 10 l/o 1,10. Rah is

in 9. (Signlord VEN is in 1 l/o 2,9. RAH is a sublord of 1st and no

planet is in the star of RAH.)

 

6.3.4. Bhukti lord VEN is in the star of MOO and sub of MER.

VEN is in 1 l/o 2,9. . (VEN is a sublord of 6 and no planet in the

star of VEN.)

MOO is in 8 l/o 11. MER is 10 l/o 1,10.

 

6.4. Bill's running dasas are so good that it is interesting how it

can be related to Hillary's chances with Bill as her advisor.

 

 

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Hillary Clinton's Controversial TOB and Timeline

>

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ClintonHillary.htm

> Birth 10/26/1947 (October 26, 1947)

> Birth Time: 20:00 (08:00 PM) CST (+6.0)

> Birth Place: Chicago, IL

> Latitude / Longitude: 41 N 52 / 87 W 39

>

> http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/hillary_clinton_7.htm

> In talking of Hillary Clinton astrologically, I have found the

> horoscope given to me by some friends in USA in 1994 or earlier to

> be correct. The time given was around 8 pm or 8.01 pm 26 October

> 1947.

> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0000780.HTM

> 8 PM

> http://www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/hillary.htm

> 08:00 PM

>

> http://www.khaldea.com/charts/hilaryclinton.shtml

> 8PM

>

> http://www.accessnewage.com/articles/astro/hillary.htm

> approximately 8PM

>

> David Frawley: ASTRLOGY OF THE SEERS, June 2000, PAGE 260-61

> 8 PM

> She will remain a dominant important political figure for the next

> several decades, achieving high offices of her own.

>

> P.V.R. Narasimha Rao: LESSONS ON VEDIC ASTROLOGY, Volume I,

Lessons

> 1-45, page 90

> 8 PM

>

> Solar Fire Sample Chart

> 8 PM

> Goravani Sample Chart

> 8 PM

>

> http://www.metalifecycles.com/MLC_Hillary_H.htm

> http://www.metalifecycles.com/MLC_Hillary2030.htm

> 6 AM

> Hillary Clinton - Natal Finder Scan (The early morning time is

> clearly preferred.)

> Hillary Clinton - Natal Finder Scan about 8:00 p.m. (The evening

> time is clearly not the correct time.)

>

>

> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005538.HTM

> October 26, 1947; 8:00 am; Chicago

>

> http://www.circlesoflight.com/wolfstar/05-06-27.html

> Hillary Clinton's Moon is in Pisces (October 26, 1947; 8:00 am;

> Chicago),

>

> http://www.adze.com/Celebrities/HillaryRodhamClinton.htm

> Hillary Rodham Clinton, born 1947 October 26 at 0800PM, Chicago,

> Illinois (41N51 87W39 6W)

>

> http://starcats.com/clinton.html

> Basil Fearrington relates in January 2001, " A musician friend of

> mine played in the Democratic fund raiser for Al Gore in Manhattan

> this past summer. Afterwards he got a chance to talk to Hillary.

> Knowing my on-going love affair with astrological data (he is a

> student of mine), he asked Hillary what time she was born. Her

exact

> words were, " I know it was very close to 8 AM, 4-5 minutes before

> or after. "

>

> http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/030729.html

> For many years, her birth time was thought to be 8:00 P.M. CST,

but

> research and discovery by astrologer Frances McEvoy revealed an

> error in that birth time, and made the correction to 8:00 A.M. CST

> (see The Astrologers Newsletter, Feb/Mar 1998, Vol. XVII, No. 6,

> Boston Astrological Society).

>

> Timeline

> 1) Sept 1961 started history teacher

> 2) Sept 1965 went to Wellesley

> 3) April 1971 met Bill Clinton

> 4) July 1972 went to San Antonio with Bill to work on McGovern's

> campaign

> 5) July 1974 moved to Arkanas, taught at Univ. Arkansas

> 6) 11-10-1975 married Bill

> 6) 26-02-1980 Chelsea was born

> 7) 03-11-1992 Bill elected President

> 8) 20-01-1993 Bill sworn as President and became first lady

> 9) 07-04-1993 death of father, Hugh

> 10) 06-01-1994 death of Bill's mother

> 11) 20-01-1997 Bill sworn as President for second term

> 12) 13-02-1999 Bill was acquitted by the Senate

> 13) 07-11-2000 elected Senator from New York

> 14) 03-01-2001 Senator

> 15) 05-03-2006 Honorary Doctorate, Bar-Ilan University, Israel

>