Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Guruji, Such a Being, Who is none other than Parabrahma, is said to be called " Maha Shambhu " (Svayambhu?), and He is distinct from Shiva. He's described as being without form, without attributes...pure Akasha...and dwelling beyond the Universe, just as you have mentioned. My reference is Lalithopaakhyaanam given by Lord Hayagreeva to Sage Agastya. Regards, Lakshmi sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote: > > > > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Lakshmi > > The word Saamba is from Svayam-bhu or 'self created'. So it cannot be Sa+ambaa as then there is duality and this breaks the concept of advaita symbolised by svayambhu or saamba shiva. The name simply means that one source from whom everything is created and that he is created by none. This is a very uifying concept and is of the nature of akasa tattva whose job is to bind and unify. > > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ◠<http://srath.com/blog/> Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ◠<http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ◠<http://jiva.us/> JIVA > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ◠<http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > - --- > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of B Lakshmi Ramesh > Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:20 PM > sohamsa > Re: Pramod Mahajan > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Guruji, > > In your navamsa lecture you were pointing out the difference between > Shiva and Samba Shiva. > > Sa+Amba Shiva...Shiva with Mother...is it the association of Mother > that gave Samba Shiva a form (as distinguished from His usual linga > roopa)? > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > | om gurave namah | > > Dear Narasimha > > > > I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on for many > years in the > > 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was a time > when he lost > > faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I had to > give my > > predictions in writing to prove that astrology works (thats > personal chart > > of his) and not only that I also published India's chart in the > Times of > > Astrology etc. > > > > Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody has got > some source > > and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan himself. > > > > You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have publicly > accepted > > mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not irresponsibility, you are > very > > responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight of the > rashi chart. > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna? > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > -------------------------------- - > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü > <http://srath.com/blog/> > > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > > -------------------------------- -- > --- > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM > > ; vedic- astrology ; > > sohamsa > > Re: Pramod Mahajan > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > I agree and that is why I used the adjective " irresponsible " . > > > > However, it must be added that " erudite astrologers " have verified > and > > confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath thinks > that Gemini > > lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks that > Taurus lagna > > chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is critical > for him, > > using two different charts. Though both made the correct call, > obviously one > > of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong chart. > > > > And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed that he > personally > > met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan. Apparently, > the > > latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at birth. > According to > > him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's passing away, > this > > gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed that lagna > is Sg. > > > > Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one honest > observation > > here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e. birthtime is > in the > > ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or less, > then we seem > > to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making correct > predictions. > > Even students who have been leaning for a year or two seem to be > able to > > come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make good > predictions. I > > see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston. > > > > However, if two or three totally different charts are given, we > seem to be > > more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the correct > chart is > > hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not seem to > be able to > > always identify that none of the circulated charts is correct and > end up > > picking up one of the charts. > > > > In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is possible > only if you > > start close to the " global " optimum. Otherwise, you may end up > with a > > " local " optimum and not reach the global optimum. I wonder if we > have such > > an issue. > > > > In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee, Kerry, > Sonia, > > Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end > up " verifying " and > > endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of them are > wrong too. > > > > On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason for my > prediction > > without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5 hours > meditating > > with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the night. I > was > > feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was overcome by > moha > > (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival would be > good for the > > country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive prediction > after such > > a " long sadhana " would help his case. Obviously, that was quite > egoistic and > > foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership remains, > no amount > > of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is to merge > one's > > consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge one's will > power with > > the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid thoughts > keep > > coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive prediction and > spent 5 > > minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw that > Jaimini's > > longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I was happy > and went > > ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on subtle > egotism > > came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism. > > > > Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible. But, if you > listen to > > the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will see that we > normally > > do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I can only > try to > > improve. > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Dear PVR ji, > > > > > > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified Mithuna > lagna > > horoscope first before attempting to give out a prediction on > that. Thats my > > humble suggestion. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > childofdevi <childofdevi@> wrote: > > > Dear PVR-ji, > > > > > > Even though the prediction did not happen, your humility is very > > > admirable especially considering how deeply knowledgeable you > are. The > > > light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-). > > > > > > With respects and best regards, > > > -Vijay > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case. I went by > > > Jaimini's " 3 parts rule " for determining the longevity. With the > > > Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long life (72- > 108 > > > years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts. Though he is > > > running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as the annual > > > chart, I went by the " long life " expectation and thought that he > would > > > survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June 26. I humbly > > > accept my failure. > > > > > > > > > One must never take any astro predictions seriously. > > > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult an > astrologer. > > > > > > > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as pessimistic. In my > > > Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart in each > class > > > and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the birthtime > based on > > > known events and then make predictions in the next hour. There > have > > > been so many occasions when students confirmed a few months > later that > > > the prediction of the class came perfectly true for them, their > > > relatives and friends. > > > > > > > > All of us make many correct predictions and some wrong ones > too. > > > Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't spend enough > time > > > and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make > predictions > > > with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified. Such is > the > > > power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes simply > irresistible. > > > Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a wrong time, > but due > > > to over-reliance on a fallible technique. > > > > > > > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!! > > > > > > > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or Her name) is > > > anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can be done. > > > > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ---------------------------- -- > - > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > ---------------------------- -- > - > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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