Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 At 06:26 PM 2/7/09 +0200, Sari wrote: " I know that Therese says that introversion is in fact an archetypically masculine trait, but still... in my opinion the roles are a bit too much reversed on the sidereal zodiac. In any case one thing is clear: we cannot apply tropical interpretations on the sidereal signs. If we want to use sidereal signs, we have to adjust the interpretations accordingly. " Hi Sari, As in your last post, I'll reply to your latest interesting post in separate posts. First, an important point we agree on is that we can't apply tropical interpretations to the sidereal signs. They have to be adjusted. It would be helpful if our modern authors of Jyotish books considered this truth that seems more and more obvious with these research studies. Next I have to take issue with today's polarity labels: introversion and extroversion. These terms grew out of western psychology, are rather limited in expression, and don't really apply per se to zodiac signs. Two of my initial sources for writing about polarity several years ago come from India and China rather than western psychology: INDIA: In a nutshell, Indian spiritual philosopy teaches that the Spirit beyond creation (categorized as ‘male,' for the sake of astrology though Spirit has no gender) is unmanifested in the created universe. All of creation--externalized action--comes through Spirit's created consort, Divine Mother. Thus, the ever-changing, restless, evolving universe comes through a feminine channel. CHINA: The best explanation of male and female energy from China can be found in the Richard Wilhelm translation of the I CHING (Book of Changes). (Pantheon books, 1964) Wilhelm points out that the terms yin and yang [sometimes used by tropical astrologers in relation to sign polarity] don't occur in the older editions of the I CHING either in the text or in the commentaries. Rather the terms used were " the firm " and " the yielding. " (p xxxvii) The text then points out that the essence of Hexagram 1 " The Creative " [six solid lines] is power or energy. " In relation to the human world, it denotes the creative action of the holy man or sage, of the ruler or leader of men, who through his power awakens and envelopes their higher nature. " (p 1) " In relation to the human spsehre, this shows how the great man brings peace and security to the world through his activity in creating order... " (p. 3) The Image: The movement of heaven is full of power. Thus the superior man makes himself strong and untiring. (p. 5) There's nothing in this symbolism that speaks strictly of introversion. The image is simply a quality of energy and power. Positively used this can result in a spiritual master or great artist. Negatively used--the energy having no constructive creative escape--we can find neurosis or destructive behavior. The Chinese Hexagram 1 can be loosely correlated with Aristotole's qualities of Hot and Cold (Active). We find the Sun (symbol of Spirit) at home in one masculine sign and exalted in another (Aries and Leo). So looking at some Sari's findings on several planets in sidereal masculine signs, we find people who have used energy positively, but also those, who perhaps being unable to find an outlet for their personal creative power, have destructively used their energy. All the arts require inspiration from within rather than cooperation from without. Sari's research groups: - humanists & philosophers - spiritual leaders. - poets - composers & arrangers - humor writers. - biologists - researchers - substance abusers - nervous breakdown cases ---------- HEXAGRAM 2: THE RECEPTIVE [six broken lines] This hexagram represents Nature (India's Divine Mother) in contrast to Spirit. " ...as applied to human affairs, the principle of this complementary relationship is found not only in the relation between man and woman, but also in that between prince and minister and between father and son. Indeed, even in the individual this duality appears in the coexistence of the spiritual world and the world of the senses. (pp. 9-10) " Applied to human affairs...what the hexagram indicates is action in conformity with the situation. The person in question isn't in an independent position, but is acting as an assistant. This means that he must achieve something...since there is something to be accomplished, we need friends and helpers in the hour of toil and effort...(p. 11) The Image: The earth's condition is receptive devotion. Thus the superior man who has breadth of character Carries the outer world. (p. 12) " Carries the outer world " is especially apt for astrology. We find the planet of the earth or feminine, the Moon, at home in one sign of feminine polarity (Cancer) and exalted in another (Taurus). " In the same way the superior man gives to his character breadth, purity and sustaining power, so that he is able both to support and to bear with people and things. " (p. 12) Sari wrote: " In the sidereal feminine group (emphasis on Water and Earth) [Aristotle's wet and dry] we'll find the same extroverted, social people that we encountered with masculine tropical signs: - friendly & gregarious personalities - PR people - bankers - attorneys - diplomats - biographers. - athletes - football players - etc. I haven't included all of Sari's groups since some of them deserve an individual look. It stands to reason that in any athletic sport that involves team cooperation, feminine signs would theoretically apply. In general we find the more spiritual and inward focus in the masculine polarity and the more externalized interactive personalities in the feminine polarity. However, either polarity could function in numerous activities. Since Sari didn't mention statistics in her study, I assume that these groups aren't statistically significant, but do show a trend in a particular direction. I'm all in favor of trends since statistical studies are very difficult to apply in astrology. I plan on expanding this post into an article with example horoscopes. I believe it's important to include philosophies from around the world when discussing astrological concepts. Thank you, Sari, for these studies. Therese Hamilton 7 Februray 2009 Sidereal Astrology Forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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