RE: Sidereal & Tropical Zodiacs (Father)

[Guest guest]

At 10:47 AM 1/11/09 -0800, liberator_9 wrote:

>When it come to the fourth house, what does Hindu scriptures say? Does it

relate to the mother, father, or both? I understand that the way it is

taught today, in Jyotish, that the fourth house has to do with the mother

and the ninth house is the father's house. Could the ancients in Western

civilization have accidently transcribed the teachings of the fourth house

incorrectly? If many different astrologers are depending on a common source

of info, one mistake could throw off many.

----------------------------

 

In India the father comes under either the 10th or the 9th house depending

on whether your astrologer is from the north or south part of the country.

Since India's horoscopic astrology almost certainly came from the west,

India is repeating what some western authors or teacher said. Or perhaps

India adjusted its teaching later when the west also began seeing the

mother in the 4th and father in the 10th. The Indian explanation is that

the 9th has to do with the father because the father was seen as the

'guru.' However, this is no longer true in modern society.

 

It's difficult to date India's older astrological texts because they are

compiled from different sources from different time periods. Diehard

believers insist these texts are thousands of years old and pre-date

Hellenistic astrology. There is no evidence for that belief, however. Only

lunar mansion (nakshatra) lore is older and doesn't resemble how the

mansions ar seen today.

 

India has to re-draw its astrology just like the west does.

 

Therese

[Guest guest]

Even if India's astrology came from the West, it doesn't mean they copied

verbatim every interpretation from the West, since they had their own seers. The

very idea that they would show the father relating to the ninth house instead of

the tenth or fourth is evidence of this. Plus, there is the many yogas between

planets and the shadbala determining the strength of the planets seems to

suggest they had their own way of seeing astrology. There is just so much of

Hindu astrology that so unlike the West that it is a whole new " critter " now,

and probably way back then, too. Indian sages and intellectuals are much too

argumentative to simply accept things at face value. I have been thinking, also,

that in the West back in the old days, literacy wasn't always encouraged, in

fact, discouraged. So, if something was copied or transcribed wrong, like the

meaning of the fourth house, how many proofreaders would they have had, compared

to India, who encouraged

literacy, at least in certain castes.

 liberator_9

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Therese Hamilton <eastwest

 

Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:42:44 PM

RE: Sidereal & Tropical Zodiacs (Father)

 

 

At 10:47 AM 1/11/09 -0800, liberator_9 wrote:

>When it come to the fourth house, what does Hindu scriptures say? Does it

relate to the mother, father, or both? I understand that the way it is

taught today, in Jyotish, that the fourth house has to do with the mother

and the ninth house is the father's house. Could the ancients in Western

civilization have accidently transcribed the teachings of the fourth house

incorrectly? If many different astrologers are depending on a common source

of info, one mistake could throw off many.

------------ --------- -------

 

In India the father comes under either the 10th or the 9th house depending

on whether your astrologer is from the north or south part of the country.

Since India's horoscopic astrology almost certainly came from the west,

India is repeating what some western authors or teacher said. Or perhaps

India adjusted its teaching later when the west also began seeing the

mother in the 4th and father in the 10th. The Indian explanation is that

the 9th has to do with the father because the father was seen as the

'guru.' However, this is no longer true in modern society.

 

It's difficult to date India's older astrological texts because they are

compiled from different sources from different time periods. Diehard

believers insist these texts are thousands of years old and pre-date

Hellenistic astrology. There is no evidence for that belief, however. Only

lunar mansion (nakshatra) lore is older and doesn't resemble how the

mansions ar seen today.

 

India has to re-draw its astrology just like the west does.

 

Therese