Node and StarryNight

[Guest guest]

Starry night is an adequate platform. I use it. I have owned a copy for a

decade.

I operate it to approximate the mean Lunar node. The orbit of the moon is more

complex that one would imagine by just looking at it.

 

 

procedure:

In starry Night; For the moment in question: Display the lunar Orbit. At the

intersection of Lunar orbit and Ecliptic, Right click, to " FOV " (field of view

indicator > this chart > circle ). Use a Field of View indicator with a diameter

of 10 " seconds of arc to mark the location of the intersection of the lunar

orbit with the Ecliptic. that approximates the " true node " but it not useful.

 

Role the Hour field back and forward in time, to reach the extremes of the

apparent wobble of the lunar orbit. It varies about five degrees in a day. Mark

the extremes with FOV. Measure the distance, divide by two, measure that out

from one extreme, Mark the position. This is the approximation of the Mean Lunar

node. On screen now there is: the displayed node for the moment, the extremes of

its theoretical variation, and the mean. Four field of view Indicators. The mean

is astrologically useful.

 

you can also put a small field of view indicator with " Relative to screen

center " mode, to have a cross visible at the center of screen. If you set:

Options > " on screen info " correctly you display the center value at all times

on a corner of the screen.

 

The use of Field of View indicators, in Starry Night, is the means to mark up

the sky as if it where a astrologic chart. I have a wheel charting program, but

I use it much less. The desk top planetarium is much closer to the phenomena

than the wheel chart can ever be. The phenomena, the night sky, is what every

one has forgotten. it is the source of the inspiration. Not the mummified

tradition.

 

The truncation of astronomical data from astrological diagraming is no longer

justified. We have instant accurate position data for the entire sky, for all

points in the recent millenniums. Availability of a richer initial data set,

one which displays the position in two axes against the sky, is a treasure

waiting to be exploited. instead of taking the data to the wheel. I advocate

taking the astrology to the planetarium.

 

The advent of desk top planetariums has given astrologers and sidereal minded

people something truly remarkable. Never before has the measurable stellar and

planetary positions been so accessible. A virtual sky, for any position in

recent millenniums and at any position of the globe, at the touch of some

buttons. It is a veritable miracle! I speak from the point of view of historical

periods from Hellenistic, to Elizabethan . In the west, planetary position

computation has become accessible to some with the foundation of astronomic

tradition and newtonian physics. In the fifties the industrial culture of

central europe produced the Marvelous dome planetariums.

 

Many currents of industrial tradition have coalesces to produce the miracle of

desk top planetariums. to an astrologer aware of the history of civilization,

these devices are miraculous. I am not blaze or jaded about having this at my

disposal.

 

on the contrary I recognize the need to migrate to it, as a trend in

phenomenological approach to astrology. The advocacy of sidereal system in

astrology has a natural deepening when it is conducted entirely on the desk top

planetarium, From first principles.

 

IAC

 

 

 

 

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David Uriel Ibarra <archangel_david

 

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:16:21 AM

Re: Hello List memmbers

 

 

Hello Ignacio and all list members,

 

Besides my other ventures in life, I'm also an astrologer and and

astropsychologist.

 

I've used various astrology methods, which the majority of the times

I've used the tropical and sidereal methods. Through trial and

error, I've found that sidereal is more accurate but not as accurate

as using astronomical data. So I have been producing charts using

sidereal but I've been adjusting them with astronomical data.

 

The point I'm getting to here is this. While using astronomical data

I still can not acquire accurate data on the nodes of the moon. JPL

doesn't place much emphasis on the nodes. Sidereal is what I've been

using to acquire moon node information because it's the most accurate

for the time being. Do you have a suggestion on where I can accurate

astronomical data on the moon nodes besides astronomy programs like

Starry Night? Thanks.

 

David

 

, ignacio cisneros

<soarniac@.. .> wrote:

>

> Hello list members.

>

>

> This is Ignacio.

>

> I see no activity on the board . At least not recently-

>

> My interest are Sidereal Astrology. Human Gestation . Karma .

Reincarnation .

>

> I work with a Solar System Simulator. I observe the phenomena

striped of the charting conventions that have arrived from western

tradition. My back ground is astronomical. not astrological. I

include a science of the spirit in my back ground as well.

>

> I Joined to seek opinions and independent verification for research

that I am

> conducting. I hope I can interest some of you in these matters. I

am a researcher, not a consulting astrologer. I call my self a

Siderealist. My work is Astrometric, not astrologic. I do not venture

to interpret the results of my observations symbolically. at least

not in public. I seek to establish imperial evidence for the

synchrony between sidereal phenomena and individual human lives. I

concentrate on conjunctions and oppositions.

>

> The fundamental principle behind my search is that each lunation

during the Human gestation corresponds to seven years of that

individuals lifespan. It is a principle that was discovered by a

little known astrologer named Willy Sucher. It is a form of

progression, at least it can be thought of in those terms. Karmic

events are to be identified in this way ( I have also considered

secondary progression. )

>

> To achieve a proper comparison of the Gestation period to the Life

span, a

> conception date must be established. there is only one technique

that I am aware of for this. A reciprocity of the positions of Natal

moon and ascendent, to the positions of ascendent and moon at

conception. In that order.

> ( Cn Asc = Nt Mo ) + ( Cn Mo = Nt Asc )

> this is a theoretical approach to conception. I wonder if there are

other approaches to conception have confirmed its use through

imperial observation.

>

> I have attempted to be as succinct as possible. thank you for your

attention.

>

> Ignacio

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:46 AM 12/19/08 -0800, IAC wrote:

>Starry night is an adequate platform. I use it. I have owned a copy for a

decade.

>I operate it to approximate the mean Lunar node. The orbit of the moon is

more complex that one would imagine by just looking at it.

 

Yes, that's what the authors of the Betz Ephemeris remind us. I also have

Starry Night, and also Chris Marriott's SkyMap, which I use for different

purposes. I like both of those programs. Thanks for your notes on using

Starry Night.

 

Therese

 

>IAC wrote:

>procedure:

>In starry Night; For the moment in question: Display the lunar Orbit. At

the intersection of Lunar orbit and Ecliptic, Right click, to " FOV " (field

of view indicator > this chart > circle ). Use a Field of View indicator

with a diameter of 10 " seconds of arc to mark the location of the

intersection of the lunar orbit with the Ecliptic. that approximates the

" true node " but is not useful...

[Guest guest]

Therese Hamilton

 

The node is not a physical object. it is an indicator of a key aspect of the

lunar orbit, its inclination. It is not obvious how this maters until the

ecliptic latitude of planetary position is considered. All planetary positions

reflected on a wheel charts have truncated ecliptic latitudes. that is, the

latitude data is sadly omitted. the inner planets have greater possible ecliptic

latitudes than the outer planets. The physical distance from the earth to other

planetary bodies is responsible for this. as the inner planets and mars

physically approach the earth their ecliptic latitudes increase dramatically.

 

Conjunctions between inner planets and the moon are affected by this. Transits

of the moon to previous key planetary positions are affected by this. the moon,

will transit some planetary positions, exactly, in ecliptic latitude and

longitude during periods of a life span where the lunar node is appropriately

placed.

 

Thus the lunar node cycle places all interaction of the moon into modes relative

to the position the node. The planetary positions of death birth and conception

of previous lives are engaged by the moons exact transit. thus the relevance of

the node to karma.

 

Traditionally, only ecliptic longitude is considered when seeking astrologic

indicators. Western astrologic tradition has received this and accepts it

blindly. It has allowed the information in the planetary latitude to sink in to

disuse and unconsciousness. this is no longer acceptable.

 

Phenomenologically the experienced planets against the night sky is inseparable

from its two dimensional position in a constellation. This is archetypal. Wheel

charts are poor caricatures of this fact. inherited astrologic lore, is a poor

week of the phenomena.

 

The reduction of the phenomena to ecliptic Longitude and latitude is an

abstraction. The truncation of that cartographic information to a ecliptic

longitude alone is an unconscious involuntary truncation of information. It is

unhealthy and prevents astrology from discriminating information about planetary

interactions and their possible astrologic interpretations.

 

 

if horoscopy is carried out on the virtual sky, all planetary interactions are

observed, at least, in a two dimensional ambient. it can thus be done all the

time, at any point in time, with near perfect precision. The adoption of this

technique will yield enhanced observation of the astronomic phenomena used as

astrologic indicators. that, with experience yields greater understanding. this

will evoke a blossoming of sidereal astrology.

 

Starry Night and Sky chart are exemplary platforms for the development of this

enhanced perspective. I am unable to " mark up the sky " in Voyager 4. I prefer it

for its varied cartographic projections. Starry night allows me to create a

" complete chart from first principles " by adapting the use of FOV indicators to

this end.

 

 

Ignacio

 

 

 

 

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Therese Hamilton <eastwest

 

Friday, December 19, 2008 9:56:00 PM

Re: Node and StarryNight

 

 

At 12:46 AM 12/19/08 -0800, IAC wrote:

>Starry night is an adequate platform. I use it. I have owned a copy for a

decade.

>I operate it to approximate the mean Lunar node. The orbit of the moon is

more complex that one would imagine by just looking at it.

 

Yes, that's what the authors of the Betz Ephemeris remind us. I also have

Starry Night, and also Chris Marriott's SkyMap, which I use for different

purposes. I like both of those programs. Thanks for your notes on using

Starry Night.

 

Therese

 

>IAC wrote:

>procedure:

>In starry Night; For the moment in question: Display the lunar Orbit. At

the intersection of Lunar orbit and Ecliptic, Right click, to " FOV " (field

of view indicator > this chart > circle ). Use a Field of View indicator

with a diameter of 10 " seconds of arc to mark the location of the

intersection of the lunar orbit with the Ecliptic. that approximates the

" true node " but is not useful...